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Low Power FM Report Rejects Interference Concerns

akb writes "Back in 2000, Slashdot covered the Low Power Radio setback by Congress, detailing a law which gutted an FCC initiative that would have created thousands of Low Power FM radio stations (LPFMs). Congress overruled the FCC, ostensibly because of interference concerns, and cut the number of stations from thousands to a few hundred, with hardly any in urban areas. A concession was made to allow a study of the interference caused by LPFMs, and that report has been released. The verdict: 'Based on the measurements and analysis reported herein, existing third-adjacent channel distance restrictions should be waived to allow LPFM operation at locations that meet all other FCC requirements, [with the exception of several minor technical requirements]'. There's more coverage at DIYmedia.net"

177 comments

  1. Hrm... by I+Like+Swords!!! · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can just imagine if the interference was a problem...

    All those DJs going "Can you hear me now?" every five seconds.

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    1. Re:Hrm... by rdaneel72 · · Score: 1

      Diditwork

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    2. Re:Hrm... by zonker · · Score: 0

      hmm... with all of the interesting stations being swallowed and assimilated by the borg that are clear channel and inifity, i don't see the problem with interference. it's basically the same damned stuff on every channel nowadays...

  2. Decent radio? by HomerNet · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Does this mean we'll be getting good radio stations now?

    Seriously, this is a good thing, especially if someone can find a way to harness this for some sort of digital traffic.

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    1. Re:Decent radio? by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 1

      You mean have an FM-receiver card in your PC and using it to receive coded FM frequencies, which can be converted to digital? Sounds intriguing... Surely this has been though about before (and probably denounced as unfeasible,) although I (obviously) know nothing about radio waves.

    2. Re:Decent radio? by zutroy · · Score: 1

      Nah, it's possible. It's done on ham radio all the time. In fact, you could probably run a local BBS this way.

      Or you could encode the data in TV signals, teletext style.

    3. Re:Decent radio? by Rick.C · · Score: 3, Informative
      Does this mean we'll be getting good radio stations now?

      Yes. If you mean stations that play the music you like, then yes, you will.

      You will trot your geeky li'l butt over to here (if you're a digital geek) or to here (if you're a radio geek) and get yourself a transmitter. (You have to build and tweak the North Country Radio kit, but I think it has slightly better specs. I like my MPX96 just fine, and by buddy likes his PCS card, too.)

      Then you can play the MP3s you like and everyone else be damned!

      BTW, these are legal with or without the LPFM regulations because they're under 100mw. The range is about 100-200 feet, or up to a quarter mile with a longer antenna (but you might be pushing it, legal-wise, at that range.)
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    4. Re:Decent radio? by gmhowell · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, there won't. The restrictions on getting an LPFM license (even now) are nearly insurmountable. In addition, there are no provisions to decrease your fees to RIAA, and you are not allowed (basically) to earn money on the station. So, unless you are in a garage band, you've got no music.

      The signal is also 'Low Power'. I can't remember offhand, but I think the range is something like ~1/2 mile or so. Really, this thing isn't going to change much.

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    5. Re:Decent radio? by w9wi · · Score: 1

      There are a few misconceptions in this thread, but first...

      You may be interested to know there already exists a type of low-power FM radio station that may be legally operated 0.6MHz - and even 0.4MHz - from existing stations. They're called "FM translators".

      As an example, there's an 80-watt translator K213CN on 90.5FM in West Memphis, Arkansas. If K213CN didn't exist, it would not be possible to create a legal LPFM station on 90.5 at its tower site. It's too close to WEVL (89.9) and WKNO (91.1) across the river in Memphis.

      FM translators have NO technical differences from FM stations. The difference is simply legal: a translator must rebroadcast the programs of another station, while a station may originate its own programs.

      This strikes me as a serious inconsistency in the FCC regulations. (created by chance, not really intentionally) I have considered filing a petition to close the gap...

    6. Re:Decent radio? by BirksNCap · · Score: 1

      From commercial radio interests? Not likely, but that's not really the question. It does open up significant opportunities for community and public interest based radio stations, local churches and other religious and civic organizations to be able to broadcast to their local citizens without having to pander to commercial media groups, and will probably spawn a new and excellent wave of college radio stations. My alma mater chose to go AM to avoid the problems with getting FM spectrum when I was on the action committee to restore student-run college radio, but I think all would like to go to FM for things like, oh, say, the fact that's it's stereo and easier to get on widely-available receiver devices like clock radios and walkmen.

      In that way, it means that there could well be a proliferation of options, some of which might appeal to the poster's and to other's tastes... At least I hope it does. I'd love to see radio stations popping up that just broadcast to say, the local township they're in, and may only do so for a few hours a day, but offer programming of civic meetings, or churches to be able to broadcast to their shut-ins [making them feel like they're less isolated and alienated from the people they want to worship with], or for people to become interested in radio in general again, and not solely what the new act, Clear Channel and the Marketroids tell us to enjoy. High schools may even be able to offer broadcast curricula now, if there's interest in it, or perhaps have the FM Club to go with Key Club, Civitans, the Chess Club, and other activities, which enrich kids... Which might further increase "good" radio.

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    7. Re:Decent radio? by HomerNet · · Score: 1

      You mean have an FM-receiver card in your PC and using it to receive coded FM frequencies, which can be converted to digital? Sounds intriguing... Surely this has been though about before (and probably denounced as unfeasible,) although I (obviously) know nothing about radio waves.

      That's what I'm talking about, though it doesn't necessarily have to be for just computer stuff. You could probably encode, say, ID3-type information in the broadcast so that when it's playing on your "radio" the artist/song informaion is displayed on your system, rather like MP3 players. There is, of course, the possiblity of encoding pure data in the wave, but there's probably some regulation against that. (stupid though such regulation may be.)

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    8. Re:Decent radio? by HomerNet · · Score: 1

      You will trot your geeky li'l butt over to here (if you're a digital geek) or to here (if you're a radio geek) and get yourself a transmitter.

      A bit of both, actually. Toys!

      BTW, these are legal with or without the LPFM regulations because they're under 100mw. The range is about 100-200 feet, or up to a quarter mile with a longer antenna (but you might be pushing it, legal-wise, at that range.)

      Can you set up rebroadcast stations with this?

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    9. Re:Decent radio? by HomerNet · · Score: 1

      No, there won't. The restrictions on getting an LPFM license (even now) are nearly insurmountable. In addition, there are no provisions to decrease your fees to RIAA, and you are not allowed (basically) to earn money on the station. So, unless you are in a garage band, you've got no music.

      Be that as it may, some people do some things without expectation of monitary reward. Charity workers and open-source coders come immediatly to mind.

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    10. Re:Decent radio? by HomerNet · · Score: 1

      FM translators have NO technical differences from FM stations. The difference is simply legal: a translator must rebroadcast the programs of another station, while a station may originate its own programs.

      This strikes me as a serious inconsistency in the FCC regulations. (created by chance, not really intentionally) I have considered filing a petition to close the gap...


      ...WHY? If people were charged for running these FM translators, then people who live in remote or interference laden areas wouldn't be able to recieve the FM signals without paying a fee. I face something similar with my TV, I'm on a Plain-Ol-Antena (POA) and I can't recieve three local stations because there's no signal booster. The stupid thing is that these station's broadcasting antennas are closer than the other stations towers.

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    11. Re:Decent radio? by HomerNet · · Score: 1

      High schools may even be able to offer broadcast curricula now, if there's interest in it, or perhaps have the FM Club to go with Key Club, Civitans, the Chess Club, and other activities, which enrich kids... Which might further increase "good" radio.

      I like this. It's similar to a closed-circuit "tv station" that one of my high schools had.

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  3. I don't understand this news. by radiumhahn · · Score: 5, Funny

    I don't understand this news, but they can have my Mr.Microphone when they pry it out of my cold dead hands!

    1. Re:I don't understand this news. by wb8wsf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is very good news indeed.

      This is really a battle over control of the airwaves. America has given the broadcast spectrum to large money interests, and it shows. FM radio is so completely devoid of useful things to listen to (with the one exception of NPR, thankfully) that I've started listening to streamed broadcasts from the BBC, where quality, imagination and diversity still exist.

      With low power stations, you might see an increase in the divirsity of broadcasting again. Maybe. It would certainly allow for new and different stations, some silly, some serious and some seriously weird. That would be a wonderful thing to see.

      There were never any inferference issues here. Well, there were, but the interference was from the corporations which didn't want this to happen at all. A little 5W FM statation is not going to have much coverage, but it will make for some interesting pockets of color in an otherwise mostly vapid FM landscape.

      --STeve Andre' (wb8wswf)

    2. Re:I don't understand this news. by IWannaBeAnAC · · Score: 1

      It won't count for anything though, another excuse will be found to avoid lifting the distance restriction.

    3. Re:I don't understand this news. by DMDx86 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      FM radio is so completely devoid of useful things to listen to (with the one exception of NPR, thankfully)

      FYI, NPR is one of the big lobbyists going against LPFM.

    4. Re:I don't understand this news. by wb8wsf · · Score: 1

      NPR is not perfect. There have been times when I thought that konking their collective heads with a wet carp would be a good thing to do. There haven't been many, but that was one of those times.

      The situation is more complex than saying that they opposed it. I think there were people at NPR who'd been getting terrorized by conservative forces in general about their existence, such that they made some bad decisions at the time.

    5. Re:I don't understand this news. by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Just goes to show that it's hard to get or keep a monopoly without getting the government involved.

      Maybe now some pressure will develop for Congress to allow the Republican majority on the FCC commission to scrap some of these stupid restrictions on new stations.

      Now if we could get the Supremes to stop "re-inventing" the Constitution and just limit Congress to it's enumerated powers, unbalanced laws and regulations like this might actually go away someday. Until then, it'll continue to be a case of "money and influence" wielding the power the government has taken for itself from the People.

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    6. Re:I don't understand this news. by zutroy · · Score: 1

      Has anyone here tried satellite radio? What's the quality of their feeds like?

    7. Re:I don't understand this news. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No it has more to do with competing for scarce dollars. The people who give to NPR would have competetion from the smaller broadcasters.

      Anyhow these LPR stations will still cost at least 1 million to put on the air due to the technical requirements so any thought of settign up for 99.9% of you is out of the question.

      How come no one talks about low power AM broadcasting?

    8. Re:I don't understand this news. by johnraphone · · Score: 1

      How come no one talks about low power AM broadcasting?

      AM isn't really a popular medium anymore. Plus AM with a franction of the power of FM can go a longer distance.

  4. Adapters by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

    What about those FM adapters that alows you to play any device through an FM channel. Basically, it's a replacement for those CD to tape addapters.

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    1. Re:Adapters by fm6 · · Score: 1

      And they have a range of maybe 5 feet. Hardly relevent to the current discussion.

    2. Re:Adapters by Sabalon · · Score: 1

      More power needed - that's all. Scotty, give me all you can.

    3. Re:Adapters by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Get a life!

  5. Signal Bleed? by metalligoth · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The FCC screwed up FM from day one. Signal bleed on FM is .5 MHz, and the stations are all .2 MHz apart. I seriously doubt a bunch of low powered stations will make FM any worse than it already is.

    1. Re:Signal Bleed? by zutroy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Where do they have stations that are .2 MHz apart? I think that's just the minimum interval between stations.

    2. Re:Signal Bleed? by realdpk · · Score: 2, Informative

      Seattle area has that - 104.3, 104.5, 104.7, 104.9 . Just noticed that last night.

    3. Re:Signal Bleed? by rulitz · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Seattle(filthy city mind you) fsck's everything up.

    4. Re:Signal Bleed? by leviramsey · · Score: 1

      Odd, in Boston most of the FM stations are .4 MHz apart...

    5. Re:Signal Bleed? by rulitz · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Maybe there should be a concession allowed to have a study done on this as well.

    6. Re:Signal Bleed? by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Informative

      Seattle area has that - 104.3, 104.5, 104.7, 104.9 . Just noticed that last night.

      What you're actually hearing as far as I can tell is:

      104.3 KAFE Bellingham
      104.5 KMIH Mercer Island
      104.7 KEEH Spokane
      104.9 KFNK Eatonvile

      And the distance between those four cities is kinda the point. You as a listener can hear all four stations pretty well in your car in Seattle, but none of the four actually have their transmitters there. If you were standing next to any of the four stations towers, you'd likely hear just that station and the other three would be wiped out by the .5 MHz signal bleed, combined with the fact that you'd be quite a disatance from any of the three other stations.

      That's how the .5 MHz bleed and the .2 MHz seperation co-exists. The FCC never puts stations that close to each other right next to each other, there's always a noticiable distance between the stations. There plenty of spots where stations .2 MHz overlap, and most radios are good enough to follow the carrier of the station they're tuned to in that situation because there will be a dramatic difference in signal strengths between the two.

    7. Re:Signal Bleed? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Here in Yuba/Sutter Counties (Marysville, Yuba City... North of Sacramento, CA) I can receive (barely) three stations on consecutive channels. They're not all meant to be heard here, but there you have it.

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    8. Re:Signal Bleed? by realdpk · · Score: 1

      Ah. Well, it was at night, so they had the increased power, and they don't really tell you where they're coming from ('cause they're busy doing 15 hours of ads a day or whatever).

      However, none of the stations come through clear day or night, so I'm not so sure the bleed is not an issue. (Other stations come through crystal)

    9. Re:Signal Bleed? by SagSaw · · Score: 1

      Each channel on the FM broadcast band is seperated by 200kHz from the next higher and next lower frequency. Within any given market you will not have two stations on adjacent channels (they can't because as the previous posted pointed out, the channels overlap a bit). The problem comes in when you are in an area that can receive stations from more than one market equally well.

      For example, a station on 97.7MHz 50 miles south of you may come in as well as a station on 97.5MHz 50 miles north of you. In this case when you tune to the 97.5MHz station, you will also occasionally hear the 97.7MHz station as its signal is partially in the passband of your receiver. One of the advantages to FM is that you normally only hear the strongest station on a given channel. In the case of the 97.5 and 97.7MHz stations, however, this means that your receiver may rapidly switch between the 97.5 and 97.7MHz stations as their relitive signal levels at your receiver fluctuate.

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    10. Re:Signal Bleed? by TheSync · · Score: 1

      Wait until IBOC (in-band, on-channel, aka Hi-Def Radio) digital radio becomes more popular. Then you will see more interference to weak adjacent channel stations.

    11. Re:Signal Bleed? by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Informative

      Where are you getting that 500 kHz "bleed" value from?

      I've looked at more FM radio spectra than I care to count, and they've all been well bounded to 200 kHz - in fact, show me an FM broadcast station that has more than -60 dBc more than 200 kHz away and I'll show you an FCC engineer writing a Notice of Violation.

      Now, crappy old FM radio receivers may have had poor IF responses that wouldn't block an ajacent channel 500 kHz away, but that is poor design on the receiver, not a flaw of the format or of the transmitter. A modern system with a synthesized LO and crystal filters has no problem filtering signals at that spacing.

    12. Re:Signal Bleed? by kicksonrt66 · · Score: 1

      In my area there are 2 stations on adjacent channels maybe 10 miles apart.. maybe "different markets" since they are in different states? They are on 91.9 and 92.1 which I think is also the traditional boundary between commercial and non-commercial, though that doesn't always hold anymore.

    13. Re:Signal Bleed? by goosman · · Score: 1

      Ah. Well, it was at night, so they had the increased power, and they don't really tell you where they're coming from ('cause they're busy doing 15 hours of ads a day or whatever).

      FM stations don't reduce power at night, that's the AM band.....

    14. Re:Signal Bleed? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > > it was at night, so they had the increased power
      > FM stations don't reduce power at night, that's the AM band.....

      Correct. They increase power.

    15. Re:Signal Bleed? by goosman · · Score: 1

      They do? I'm not disagreeing, but I've never heard of this.

    16. Re:Signal Bleed? by hesiod · · Score: 1

      > They do? I'm not disagreeing, but I've never heard of this.

      Yeah, many FM and AM stations increase their wattage at night. The way I understand it is that they do this so that they can get a larger coverage area while the FCC is "asleep."

      There's a Country music festival (I've never been there) called "Jamboree In The Hills" in my area (coming up soon, actually) that is based off of Jamboree USA, which is broadcast at pretty regular power, but at night, supposedly, it can be heard in southern Canada (I live in the northern panhandle of WV) due to the power boost. This has caused JITH to be a big attraction for Canadians (who knew they liked country music *shrug*).

      Of course, I believe the range is also dictated in large part by weather -- If there is low, consistent cloud cover, the signal goes much further (or is it on a totally clear night? I can't remember).

      The pumping up of wattage makes a big difference around here, because we are surrounded by hills (they're called mountains, but they ain't) EVERYWHERE and the signal bounces all over the place.

  6. Ya so what by panxerox · · Score: 1

    It wasn't about interference then and it's not now.

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  7. Lower Power? by NetCurl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I would assume that lower power FM radio stations would have lower overhead costs (power being one of them). This could allow for a subculture of small radio stations similar to public-access cult-followed TV shows.

    Media reform, here we come!

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    1. Re:Lower Power? by akb · · Score: 1

      For some of that subculture checkout radio4all.net. Its a site for swapping shows in mp3 format.

    2. Re:Lower Power? by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I have never really seen ANY cult access-channel shows. They are almost all educational (lectures, preparing for the SATs), or just text bulletin boards. I am in the metro DC area, and before that I lived in Springfield, MO. (ok, in Sp, MO there were some high school student-produced broadcasts, but I haven't even seen those here)

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  8. Free Radio by fm6 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I have to provide a link to my local Free Radio Station. I never listen (they don't play anything to my taste) but I support them on general principle.

    Interference was always a straw man. Media monopolies like Clear Channel (yikes! how unintentionally appropriate!) just want to maximize the spectrum available for their musical monoculture.

    What I really miss is all those low-power campus and community stations. Yeah, they mostly played crap, but it was local crap. And it was a good way for budding young radio DJs and journalists to break into the field. I've always found it strange that NPR is on the "stop interference!" bandwagon, since all their best people come from the low-power community.

    1. Re:Free Radio by niko9 · · Score: 1

      I never listen (they don't play anything to my taste) but I support them on general principle.

      Nothing to your taste? Just a few items gleaned from their program schedule.

      Hour Of Slack
      Radio Ministry
      Church of the Subgenius
      1000 > 1100


      That's about the whole ./ community right there ;)

      ClatterBox / Technical Dificulties
      0700 > 1000


      CounterSpin
      Alternative to the news
      0830 > 0900


      The last one sums up our fearless editors? :p

    2. Re:Free Radio by fm6 · · Score: 1
      Huh. Church of the Subgenius reminds me of Slashdot's more obnoxious trolls. It's hard to tell when they're being sarcastic and when they're being serious. Which is deliberate, because any time you pick a hole in their logic, they can say, "Oh, I was just trolling!"

      You don't need to find an unlicensed station to listen to Counterspin. All the public radio stations carry it -- it helps them relieve their "sold out to NPR" guilt. But I find CS's unremitting righteousness thoroughly irritating.

    3. Re:Free Radio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Crap" is in the eye (ear?) of the beholder. The Pasadena City College station was my favorite classical music outlet when I was living in the Smog Gabriel Valley. They played a very nice selection, and weren't constantly interrupting for those nauseatingly "elite" commercials run on LA's commercial classical station, or the incessant beg-a-thons of the bigger NPR outlets.

    4. Re:Free Radio by bill_beeman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interference is only a straw man if you don't happen to live where the LPFM blows you out. Read the report. Interference _is_ seen in a radius of hundred of meters around LPFM transmitters.

      The report is being widely interpreted to open the door, but many who read it that way are missing the strong conditions...including not licensing LPFM stations to locate where there are concentrations of receivers, and specifying that a very strong emission mask must be used.

      These are likely show-stoppers for most of the LPFM set.

      By the way, anyone missing all those low-power campus and community stations...this has not been standing in the way. If they were there once they worked under the existing rules. Economics has probably led to the demise of most.

    5. Re:Free Radio by fm6 · · Score: 1
      By the way, anyone missing all those low-power campus and community stations...this has not been standing in the way. If they were there once they worked under the existing rules. Economics has probably led to the demise of most.
      Its economics all right, but not the way you mean. There's no grandfather clause for 10-watt radio stations. The ones that are still around are the ones that could afford to upgrade. And in the process, had to become "public" stations with a much bigger reliance on network programming.

      The fact that a an FM transmitter can cause problems for the people next door is beside the point. Any electronic device can cause this kind of problem. (It used to be a big issue with computers, before manufacturers got good at making low-emmission systems.) Federal law says that if you own such a device that radiates RF, and somebody experiences interference as a result, you have to fix the problem or shut down. That's true even if the device is a malfunctioning toaster. But if your RF energy does cause anybody any problems, there is no legal issue. This rule works find for everybody else. Why do we need a special rule for FM transmitters?

    6. Re:Free Radio by bill_beeman · · Score: 1

      10 Watters weren't grandfathered..but it was not that costly to get up to 100 W. The real economic factor is that once licensed it is hard to avoid having to pay royalties...this is the killer unless one wants to broadcast 100 percent original music. The record-keeping required to avoid having to purchase blanket licenses from ASCAP, BMI and SESAC are difficult to manage.

      We do need a special rule for intentional transmitters, FM or otherwise. The power emitted is far more than that of typical unlicensed devices, and it is intentionally emitted close to existing station's frequencies.

      Keeping the occupied bandwidth reasonable is a non-trivial problem in the absence of very $$$ equipment. A certain state university at the south end of San Francisco has an FM station that from time to time splatters over a good bit of the low end of the FM band. This is a reasonably well funded operation that tries to keep a clean operation. What do you think the chances are that any significant number of LPFMs will manage to even make a serious pass at any compliance with technical standards?

  9. The purpose of the FCC by spun · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The purpose of the FCC is to raise the barier of entry to the communications marketplace. It used to be about protecting a public good, the airwaves, but I think we can safely say, that is not it's real purpose today.

    Think what it would mean to someone like ClearChannel if anyone with a few hundred dollars could legally set up a low power radio station? In the San Francisco Bay area, people do it illegally, and they are really some of the only radio worth listening to here. No one would listen to corporate rock if there were little local alternatives.

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    1. Re:The purpose of the FCC by geekmetal · · Score: 1
      Think what it would mean to someone like ClearChannel if anyone with a few hundred dollars could legally set up a low power radio station?

      Clear Channel would find it harder to drive them out of business.

      Wonder if we can get some statistics on the number of stations which were forced to close down because of crushing competition from Clear Channel. We sure need better ideas to keep the smaller stations running.

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    2. Re:The purpose of the FCC by wb8wsf · · Score: 1

      This is an overly synical view of the FCC. The FCC itself has many *really* good people in it, who understand most of the issues in things, but they've been turned into a tool in the last 20 years or so. They do have to listen (and obey) Congress for example, and with wonder items like the 1996 Communications Act, they had little room to do anything.

      The FCC will do as Congress tells it to. Congress does what the people tell it to.

      Sadly, people do not see the connection here and that such things as basic participation in our elective system has cascade consequences, far removed from the act of voting.

      The FCC has *improved* in many ways in the last 10 years or so. They're far more efficient at many things now, unlike many other entities in the US government.

      But the comissioners are political appointments, and when money becomes more important than the public good, we get the actions we've seen with respect to the broadscape.

    3. Re:The purpose of the FCC by spun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      My step-dad is a really good person. He was the head of the Federal Aviation Administration's South American department, auditing security in all airports USians fly to in South America. He hated government beauracracy, since he had to deal with it all the time. Yes, there are good people in government, trying to do a good job. But they are outnumbered by the venal and corrupt, who are far outnumbered by the lazy and incompetant.

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    4. Re:The purpose of the FCC by El · · Score: 1
      Congress does what the people tell it to.


      I think you got a typo there. I beleive you meant: Congress does what people pay it to. Either that, or you're really, really naive...

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    5. Re:The purpose of the FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean that evil rightwinger are not to blame for all the worlds problems? That seems to be the average wacked out assumption from about 99% of the /.ers who post.

      Gosh it's all down to plain old non partisan political and corperate greed.

      The FCC does a great job mostly. It would do a better job if the Congress listened to it. Congress looks at the FCC as a source of patsies to shake down for political contributions and income from charging for this recent lame concept of selling off the peoples RF spectrum.

    6. Re:The purpose of the FCC by wb8wsf · · Score: 1

      No, I am not naive. I understand that the people in America have somehow lost the willingness to deal with their government. When that happens, the greedy monied interests find it far easier to slitherin and do what they do best, namely look out for their own interests and further them.

      Apathy rules. What percentage of people vote on anything today?

      The American government is a massive, lumbering beast. It's direction can be changed, however. All it takes is participation. Wether we will ever see that is a question beyond the scope of this discussion.

    7. Re:The purpose of the FCC by op00to · · Score: 1

      What percentage of people cannot vote? How rich are these people?

      Liberal leanings aside, you are correct in saying that you can change the direction of the government, but it's not as easy as writing your congressman. It takes YEARS for any significant change to even register on the political radar. Public participation is not a magic route to a utopian society.

  10. Newsflash! by bugnuts · · Score: 5, Funny

    RIAA filed 250 million lawsuits against every person in the USA, each of which has allegedly "received stolen music". Notable quotes are "Air should not be allowed to be used freely, as using the air is costing our artists millions of dollars. We are lobbying for a medium tax for everyone that uses air."

    1. Re:Newsflash! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mr. Nitpick's Fact of the Day: The U.S. population is around 285 million, not 250 million.

  11. If they allow low power FM stations ... by DogIsMyCoprocessor · · Score: 3, Funny

    to fill up all the gaps in the FM band, what will happen to pirate radio stations?

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    1. Re:If they allow low power FM stations ... by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      They'll be jammed out. Having been caught operating a pirate station is cause to have an LPFM application shut down. On the flip side, this is the pirate's chance to go legit....

  12. a concession? by dirvish · · Score: 1

    Why was the study a concession in the first place? It should have been a prerequisite to any any policy/decision! If corporate radio like ClearChannel didn't have the FCC by the balls there would lots of wonderful independent low-powered radio stations for the public to enjoy.

    1. Re:a concession? by akb · · Score: 1

      The FCC did study it. They went through a years long regulatory process, consulted the engineers and everything. The broadcast industry bought a bill to overrule the FCC on a technical decision, which is highly unusual.

      The original bill didn't include a study at all, but as pressure grew and it became apparent what the broadcast industry and got some press the study bit was put in.

      Its not clear whether this will result in lots new stations being licensed, as there's plenty of bureaucratic process to abuse. Heck, the industry just might buy another bill.

  13. Great, more jazz stations! by Quaoar · · Score: 1

    Well, I'd spin it for you, but you know, ain't no one going to hear it. Our broadcast range is only 23 feet which makes us the most powerful jazz station in the entire US of A.

    /Shameless Simpsons quote...

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  14. Pirate Radio? by Gizzmonic · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think we all know what this report is all about:

    Justification for pirate radio! I highly suggest that anyone and everyone buy a transmitter, and don't just absorb the radio: be the radio!

    Also, read Radio as a Means of Communication, A Talk on the Function of Radio, by Berthold Brecht. He seems to get it.

    The technical aspect of radio modulation has improved over the year. There's no reason why we can't trash FM/AM and adopt a digital technology that uses the same spectrum-that way, we wouldn't even have to trash your antennas.

    Your radio sets would probably be gone though. Oh well, I threw away my old style roller skates when I got some Rollerblades (R). Let's join hands and fart into the future!

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    1. Re:Pirate Radio? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No no no! If you switch everyone over to digital, then the small, non-profit stations will not be able to afford new transmitters and will go off the air. Who will buy them? Clear Channel and Christian broadcasters!

      Digital terrestrial radio is bad bad bad!

    2. Re:Pirate Radio? by RevSmiley · · Score: 1

      Thats not Christian broadcasters its "send money" broadcasters the shit they spout only rarely has any christian context.

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  15. I have a FM transmitter already by teamhasnoi · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Its one of those real-estate "Drive-By Info" things. You can put a cassette in it (presumably looped) and listen to whatever.

    I'm guessing with a little hardware hacking, an additional input can be added and I can either tie it in to a net stream (Soma!) or run mp3s through it, and listen throughout the house and yard. Would make any walkman into a local-only mp3 'player'. I am reasonably sure that no licence is necessary.

    I just have to get an antenna. Damn these laws of physics!

    1. Re:I have a FM transmitter already by LostCluster · · Score: 1

      Yep, you can transmit on the broadcast frequencies without a license so long as your transmitter stays under the approprate power limit. Just a warning: There's a reason why they call it flea power.

      Of course, you'd likely get much cleaner results from a set of 900MHz headphones that you can buy at nearly any electronics store for $100... but if it's the fun of the hack you want you can go right ahead.

  16. NPR... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Redundant
    was one of the main opponents of low power FM.

    Damn Socialists...

    1. Re:NPR... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      More evidence that liberal media rules America. They control radio, television and most newspapers. If we don't stop them, our children will be speaking Al Quyada within the year.

  17. It was NPR's fault. by eclectro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ostensibly because of interference concerns, and cut the number of stations from thousands to a few hundred

    NPR lobbied extensively to kill LPFM, primarily because they didn't want the competition with people listening to real community radio.

    So congress decided that they were "engineers" and said that there would be "inteference", and gutted LPFM.

    I don't pledge to NPR, and I am thinking of an "anti-pledge" campaign when they shill for money.

    Radio as we know it today is dead, primarily used for corporate interests, not the public's.

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    1. Re:It was NPR's fault. by Quickening · · Score: 3, Insightful

      no joke. I couldn't agree with you more. Over the past 20 years NPR has simply turned into another government PR office.

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    2. Re:It was NPR's fault. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      You got the how right but your reason is nonsense. The problem is that the various frequencies that are used by NPR around the country are not bought and sold like the rest of the FM spectrum. This is the frequency range between 88 and 92MHz and are reserved for non-commercial use. NPRs primary concern was that the local stations could retransmit over the same frequecy they were using in a local area. They were afraid that there wound not be as much filling in the gaps in the spectrum as there would be people (deliberately in the case above) simply retransmitting over one the the frequencies that already in use in low-end part of the spectrum. I'd agree that the Clear Channel and the rest of the big radio corporations (oh wait, only clearchannel is left) lobbied mainly to prevent competitiion, however, this is not the primary concern of NPR. If someone starting retransmitting on the same frequency as one of Clear Channels stations (or just .2Mhz up or down) and Clear Channel got a single complaint about interference (or just made one up), they would sue the unlicensed station out of ey or manpower for such a fight.

      -Fred

    3. Re:It was NPR's fault. by Jeremi · · Score: 1
      Over the past 20 years NPR has simply turned into another government PR office.


      Hmm... you misspelled 'Fox' :^)

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    4. Re:It was NPR's fault. by RevSmiley · · Score: 1

      No reason to sue. Call the FCC and they will be fined into nothingness.

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    5. Re:It was NPR's fault. by eclectro · · Score: 1

      The problem is that the various frequencies that are used by NPR around the country are not bought and sold like the rest of the FM spectrum

      On the surface that would seem correct. But the reality is much different. Why is this spectrum different? It exists to serve the public, not corporate, interest.

      There are two areas of concern (in reality excuses). The main "primary" transmitter and all the thousands of "secondary" translators in use.

      To say that a 10-100 watt LPFM station would "interfere" with a 100,000 watt primary station is laughably ridiculous at best. That would leave the "translators".

      The purpose of translator stations was to fill in gaps in coverage for the existing transmitting signal, not to EXTEND coverage of a single station across large regions They originate no programming. That is why they exist under a "secondary" purpose, not as a "primary" station.

      The problem is that the various frequencies that are used by NPR around the country are not bought and sold like the rest of the FM spectrum.

      This has nothing to do with it. What gives NPR the right to transmit over the whole nation?? You are absolutely right when you said "This is the frequency range between 88 and 92MHz and are reserved for non-commercial use." What makes NPR so "special" that they need to have every frequency in the "non-commercial use" spectrum?? What makes them so "special" that they need to have coverage over large geographical areas that commercial stations don't have??" What makes them so special that they have to have a "monopoly" on public radio???

      This also begs the question if NPR is really "non-commercial." Have you listened to NPR recently?? They are filled with station breaks giving acknowledgements to corporations that "sponsor" programs that predominantly contain promotional announcements. I really can't tell the difference between what they broadcast and a regular advertisement on a "commercial" radio station. At least alot of the religous stations don't have that nonsense.

      Maybe NPR needs to be kicked out of the "non-commercial" section of the spectrum and let them compete honestly with regular broadcasting corporations. Oh wait, NPR's "corporation for public broadcasting" isn't really a corporation. I see.

      Does NPR really serve the public interest?? According to this link, not really. Not only by not representing a variety of viewpoints, but also by hoarding translator frequencies that they really don't need. They seem to be representing increasingly commercial interests. There are others who are noticing this also. NPR has even tried putting a bandaid on it. As can be seen, NPR takes out the "community" in "community radio".

      After NPR goes dark from drives like the unpledge, those that love it can pick it up on satellite radio. NPR is not an irreplaceable resource. There are thousands of people ready to put up LPFM transmitters in its place that are really non-commercial.

      I know that there are alot of of people who listen on NPR on slashdot, but it is time to realize that NPR no longer represents community interests. Sure their programming is fun and interesting to listen to at times. But the same could be said of any

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    6. Re:It was NPR's fault. by Roxton · · Score: 1

      I would say the reverse is strictly true. Over the past 20 years, NPR has gone from being a governmentally funded entity to receiving the vast majority of its funding from private pledges and underwriters.

    7. Re:It was NPR's fault. by mink · · Score: 1

      "Have you listened to NPR recently?? They are filled with station breaks giving acknowledgements to corporations that "sponsor" programs that predominantly contain promotional announcements. I really can't tell the difference between what they broadcast and a regular advertisement on a "commercial" radio station."

      I'm sorry your local NPR affiliate sucks. Maybe you should consider moving to a better part of the US where that crap dosent go on.
      Where I live there are 2 kinds of underwriting credits I hear. Neither can be confused for a commercial played on the local clear channel stations no matter how hard you try.
      One type is an acknoldgement of a local person or business who donates to the station (they ask about your preferred shows so thay can place the underwriting message) such as "Global Village is sponsered by Mr & Ms Roberts of whateversville and listeners like you" or "Morning edition is paid for in part by donations from Angies List. With customer ratings of local businesses and services available at 236-list"
      The former in no way can be misinterperited as an advert (but maybe you cant understand why someone might support local radio) and the latter is a bit more like an advert, but still dosent take even 30 seconds.
      If people like you kill off PRI, NPR, and the BBC broadcasts the next things will go are all the awesome local shows like ante-meridiem, global village, all mixed up, and many other global or non local music shows.
      This kills musical and intellectual diversity IMO (trust me the midwest needs it) but hey, defund them, just dont complain once all thats left is clearchannel.

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  18. Protected != Reality by LostCluster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's the reason why the big time FM owners are claiming that LPFM interferes but the studies don't back them up. The "protected countour" of an FM signal is not always the same as its actual coverage range. That is to say, some FM radio stations are heard loud and clear in places that the FCC's prediction model doesn't expect them to be, and conversely absent in others. The problem here is simple, a coverage map based on a topographical map will always be inaccurate because no map perfectly maps everything, and pesky things like skyscrapers sometimes have to be taken into account. Broadcasters have better technology, so they do a better job of guessing where their signal will actually go when they request approval for a tower site.

    So, FM stations will be able to produce listner complaints that say "I used to live in Wxxx's coverage range, but now some pesky LPFM from 4 towns over is jamming their signal out." The truth is, that listener was never in Wxxx's protected countor, the area where Wxxx has a right to complain to any interference with their signal, because the FCC's prediction system didn't expect Wxxx's signal to be there. So, when the LPFM interjects actual interference into the territory, the maps don't show any problemsome overlap.

    In some ways, this is a case of government not keeping up with reality. On the other hand, it's also a case of the FM station owners enjoying signal reach that the law never entitled them to. AM skip works the same way... distant stations can be heard at night when the weather is good, but even the former "clear channel" (lower case, meaning no other station on the same frequency, not the megacompany) stations now face stations on the opposite coast using their frequency and can't complain about being interfered with in those distant cities, just if something is going to bother them in their home territory.

    Just because the government lets something be the way it is for years without messing with it doesn't let a business assume it's going to be that way forever. LPFM is a great idea on the chalkboard, but a lot more work than most applicants realize. But, for those who can get it together, let them have the technology...

    1. Re:Protected != Reality by w9wi · · Score: 1
      In some ways, this is a case of government not keeping up with reality. On the other hand, it's also a case of the FM station owners enjoying signal reach that the law never entitled them to.


      True enough, on both counts.

      The definition of "protected contour" was set at a time when FM receivers were MUCH worse than they are today. On any decent radio (the car radios on which most listening happens) a 50dBu signal provides reliable service, but stations are only protected from interference to the 60dBu contour.

  19. Diymedia slashdotted, so heres the TOTA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    7/11/03 - Long-Overdue LPFM Interference Report Complete: No Third-Adjacent Channel Protections Necessary [link to this story]

    When Congress gutted the low power FM service enacted by the FCC in 2000, it reduced the number of available LPFM frequencies around the country by more than two-thirds by implementing "third-adjacent channel spacing protections." This forced LPFM stations to find a clear frequency with at least three channels separating it from existing local stations, which in urban areas is all but impossible. This single fact alone cut the number of potential LPFM stations from thousands to a few hundred at best, with most of those located in rural or suburban areas.

    The passage of the "Radio Broadcasting Preservation Act," however, did contain one caveat: the FCC was mandated to conduct an interference study to make sure the third-adjacent channel protections were necessary. The study was to be completed by February 21, 2001. It was actually finished in March, 2003, by the MITRE Corporation, who subcontracted the field testing of temporary LPFM stations in seven communities around the country.

    The Amherst Alliance, upon discovering the report was finished but the FCC was sitting on it, filed a Freedom of Information Act request in May to make it public. The FCC blew it off, and correspondence escalated to a point where members of Congress might have gotten involved and/or a lawsuit to force the disclosure might have been filed.

    This week, mysteriously, the 700+ page report was published in the FCC's Electronic Comment Filing System. No fanfare whatsoever, not even a note to those of us behind the FOIA effort to let us know it was available. The reason may be due to the following conclusions:

    "Based on the measurements and analysis reported herein, existing third-adjacent channel distance restrictions should be waived to allow LPFM operation at locations that meet all other FCC requirements [after four small revisions]...

    The FCC should not undertake the additional expense of a formal listener test program or a Phase II economic analysis of the potential radio interference impact to LPFM on incumbent FPFM [full-power FM] stations...Perceptible interference caused during the tests by temporary LPFM stations operating on third-adjacent channels occurred too seldom, especially outside the immediate vicinity of the sites where the stations were operating, to warrant the additional expense that those follow-on activities would entail."

    And the National Association of Broadcasters and National Public Radio, who played Congress like a fiddle by claiming that LPFM stations would wreak havoc with their signals, may want to chew on this tidbit especially thoughtfully:

    "In terms of the impact of an LPFM station due to interference on the audience of an FPFM station, in the worst case measured, the fraction of the protected coverage area of an existing station that could be subjected to harmful interference is 0.13%. In most other cases, this fraction is orders of magnitude smaller."

    Download the four main documents from the LPFM interference report here, in .pdf format:

    Section 1 (MITRE Final Report, 4.4 MB)
    Section 2 (Comsearch Field Test Plan, 2.4 MB)
    Section 3 (Comsearch Test Procedures Plan, 664K)
    Section 4 (Comsearch Field Measurement Data, 5.1 MB)

    A cursory glance through the field data collected for the report brings up some additional interesting tidbits.

    Comsearch (the subcontractor who conducted the field tests) placed public notices in the each test location's major newspaper and had announcements of the LPFM interference test played on the full-power FM station in the area closest to the frequency on which the test would take place. In each instance, no public complaints of LPFM interference were received, although interference complaints were received at some test locations that involved sources other than the test LPFM transmitter.

    Most interesting quote from the field data sec

  20. No, or at least not using traditional approaches. by Skyshadow · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Does this mean we'll be getting good radio stations now?

    No, it doesn't. Have you ever heard a pirate radio station? Generally it's someone with their MP3s on random play who cuts in for the occassional rant about how cool this is or how the FCC sucks or whatever. I can't imagine why the average low-power station would see an increase in quality just by going legit, except that it might drive away some of the more untalented people who aer just doing it because it's illegal.

    No, *I* wonder if you might not be able to think different here.

    Picture this: Rather than just a transmitter, you also set up a web feed of your programming. Other people who find your show can set up their own low power transmitters and rebroadcast it, and maybe add their own shows and content to the "network" (so I'd be on for a few hours, then the owner of another transmitter would be on for a while, making it possible to have live content for larger portions of the day -- this'd be trivial to set up).

    This would hopefully lead to a situation where democratic radio stations would emerge. If enough people like your content, the area in which it could be heard would grow as more transmitters are added. This could snowball to the point where, at least in urban areas, you'd have something like a real coverage area. If your show quality drops off, well, transmitter owners can go elsewhere.

    Would it work? You got me -- there might be technical or regulatory issues, and certainly there's no accounting for the taste of the masses, but it's still a more interesting concept than just having many pirate-wannabes broadcasting...

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  21. Another link by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1

    Here. Be gentle, it's hosted on a Intellivision running IntyOS.

  22. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have heard pirate radio, and there is a good (sometimes) pirate station in my area. If you're not happy with your local pirate station, don't listen to them.

    http://www.freakradio.org/

  23. Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is there a list of said stations? I never listen to radio, but this may give me a reason to.

    1. Re:Really? by spun · · Score: 1

      Do a google search on San Francisco Bay Area pirate radio

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  24. FCC Jurisdiction by metalligoth · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The FCC is given power from the Federal Government of the USA, which argues that it is regulating "Interstate Commerce", as per the Constitution. What most people don't realize is that in order for a radio station to fall under FCC jurisdiction, from a legal standpoint, the station needs to broadcast outside of a state's borders. (The only exception being if a state has made a law that the FCC has power in that state.) Otherwise, it is Intrastate Commerce, not Interstate Commerce. If you're in Michigan and your signal doesn't reach Canada, Wisconsin, Ohio, or Indiana, your station cannot be under the FCC's evil thumb! I know of at least one pirate station that has used this argument and has won in court. So, even if low powered stations can be regulated by the FCC, it doesn't matter as long as your station's power is low enough not to leave the state.

    1. Re:FCC Jurisdiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you sure about this? Most electronic devices need to be compliant to FCC regulations as far as concerns of interference goes even if they wouldn't technicaly interfere with interstate broadcasts. And I would be extremely doubtful if I was to erect an antenna near an airfield, and begin "interfering" with radio broadcasts and what not, that the FCC or somebody wouldn't come knocking on my door.

      Your facts may be correct, but I sincerly doubt it. I am guessing that you heard this story second hand? or can you link to something like a story regarding it?

      And who modded this down? even if he is wrong, I would hardly say this isn't a matter for discussion.

    2. Re:FCC Jurisdiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a 20 watt FM Stereo station in Northern Pennsylvania and I live 8 miles from the NY border. I barely run the thing but I flip it on when I'm in the yard, etc. It is mostly experimental. But I have also heard about the interstate commerce thing being used. My furthest trace of signal stops 2 miles shy of the NY border! Also, as a side note, I bought my equipment from LDBrewer in Florida and he had his computers seized by the government, but it is 7 years later and I have not been contacted by the government about running my station.

    3. Re:FCC Jurisdiction by ChrisMaple · · Score: 1

      "Interstate commerce" is used as an excuse to regulate elevators. This is just a power grab by the federal government.

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    4. Re:FCC Jurisdiction by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is only in your wet dreams.

      Radio Frequencys are governed by international treaty. That is the reserve of the Federal goverment. Nice try but wrong.

    5. Re:FCC Jurisdiction by Jardine · · Score: 1

      Interstate Commerce. If you're in Michigan and your signal doesn't reach Canada

      Canada's a state now? I wish someone would have let us vote on it.

    6. Re:FCC Jurisdiction by w9wi · · Score: 1

      Arguably your signal can interfere with signals coming from outside the state. Imagine, for example, a 10-watt unlicensed station in Benton Harbor on 101.5 FM. This station's signal is way too weak to cause any interference to listeners in Indiana, or any other state except Michigan.

      However, licensed station WNSN in South Bend, Indiana covers Benton Harbor. This station might have been able to sell advertising to Benton Harbor businesses - but it can't, because your station is clobbering WNSN's signal.

      You are, in fact, interfering with interstate commerce.

      It becomes somewhat less clear-cut when you consider a station in, say, Mount Pleasant where nobody can receive out-of-state stations. Who defines how far into the state out-of-state signals can be heard? (with my antenna and receiver, I could regularly hear out-of-state stations from the center of every state except Texas, Alaska, and Hawaii...)

  25. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by captredballs · · Score: 1


    I just looked into this the other day. One of the requirements for broadcasting is that you can't use the same band as somebody else within X distance. This prevents you from getting coverage through lots and lots of low power emitters.

    If you can find info to the contrary I'd love to hear it. Portland Oregon has a serious case of unbelievably shitty music radio. It's either Clear Channel, Fundie Christians, or New Country. The only exceptions are a few sparse programs on the community radio that are broadcast at inconvenient times.

    Somebody needs to put a stake in Michael Powell's heart before he finishes sucking the quality out of the air waves.

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  26. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by Skyshadow · · Score: 1
    I just looked into this the other day. One of the requirements for broadcasting is that you can't use the same band as somebody else within X distance. This prevents you from getting coverage through lots and lots of low power emitters.

    That would impact people driving around, but would still make my idea workable in terms of people who listen to the radio at home.

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  27. RDBS by fm6 · · Score: 2, Informative

    RDBS is the name of the technology, and it's been around for a long time. Back in the 80s, some people had pocket devices that gave them stock market quote streams. Don't know what other applications there are, but lots of FM radio stations generate a little extra income by providing RDBS services on their sideband. And you can buy RDBS radios that provide program information and such, though they've never been popular. Here's an expensive toy that lets you say "Tune to an oldies station".

    1. Re:RDBS by cK-Gunslinger · · Score: 1

      *Smack*

      Well duh. I forgot about all that. The last car I rented had a nifty radio that would display the station call letters and text messages (from supported stations.)

  28. LPFM? We need more local and internet stations. by banal+avenger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am significantly less concerned about the future of Low Power FM than I am about the fact that Clear Channel owns some 70% of the market. I haven't heard decent music on the radio in years, and (coincidentally) I hear the same music in Arizona as I did in Minnesota. Not only do I hear the same music, but I hear the same station names with the same cheesy slogans but with different numbers.

    Low Power FM isn't really all that useful because one is almost never in range to hear it. Minneapolis had a LPFM station for a while called The Beat. I lived 5 miles from the station and couldn't hear it. They were unliscensed and subsequently got shut down by the FCC in a well documented media event. The Beat now does a nice internet radio stream. And I think that internet radio has much more potential than LPFM ever will.

    The summary is Low Power FM just isn't all that. Internet radio can be all it could have been and more, and allows the user greater control and allows more distrubuters into the fold. This effort would be much better spent protecting internet radio and fighting back against companies such as Clear Channel.

    1. Re:LPFM? We need more local and internet stations. by Sabalon · · Score: 1

      And the problem with Internet Radio is bandwidth. I know zilch about LPFM, but am assuming that once you get a license and a transmitter, then you have pretty much bought what you need (asside from power).

      Get popular and you may get some requests, but it does not affect you.

      Internet radio will give you a larger audience, but the bandwidth will kill you as you get more popular.

      They need something like public access radio, like NYC's public access cable...gotta love that. One hour it's porn, one hour it's a screener for some movie, one hour it's two guys in federation garb discussing the star trek universe.

    2. Re:LPFM? We need more local and internet stations. by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Ok you had a PIRATE radio station not a LPFM station.

      I guarentee that my 100 watt LPFM station that was going to be up (I still got the stuff) would be heard. It's called doing it right instead of 1/2 assed. I have 1.5 inch heliax for the antenna feed, a true broadcast antenna on order and all the real equipment... and from early tests with a simple antenna at the tower top... I had a 10 mile range EASY. this was in a semi-urban area.

      dont judge it on something a bunch of bumbling hacks did in their basement. and certianly dont call it lpfm.

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  29. Report will be filed away by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    CNGRS will see to it this wont happen. Can you imagine the FM companies giving up their monopoly?

    The broadcast industry is a major shareholder in CNGRS.

  30. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by ZPO · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Very interesting thought. As I understand the LPFM rules they cannot be commercial in nature, but that would not necessarily be a problem.

    Unfortunately I expect the NAB (who ramrodded the initial house resolution) will still argue that possible degradation within a 1300m radius of the LPFM antenna site is unacceptable. The initial HR was run through using receiver performance figures from about 1950-1960 (IIRC). Although the NAB will find it has a tough time arguing the technical quality of the work done by MITRE.

    Seems like a decent open project. If they do relax the rules (which certainly isn't guaranteed) when will you have the site up? (G)

  31. Silver linings? by August_zero · · Score: 1

    Thats one thing i like about being so close to Canada. We get a couple of decent (ok like one) stations from over the river in the Detroit area that may play mostly top 40 crap, but do still include a fair bit of less well known artists. They even used to have a "home boys" show on sundays that was a couple hours of local acts only (though I dont know if they still do this or not)

    Are they perfect? no, but they are a helluvalot better than any of the comercial stations I have found virtually anywhere else in the U.S.

    Hopefully, Internet radio will give us a few years of service before it gets swallowed by clear channel and the like.

    --
    On Wall Street they say "buy low, sell high" On the pad we say, "buy high, sell high" Isn't that somehow better?
  32. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by MattCohn.com · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You would still get those low quality radio hippies, but I belive the quality in general would improve. Why? Because the people who are going to do the crappiest job are the kind of people that WOULD set up a pirate radio station, whereas people like me who would do a decent job wouldn't dare might the FCC triangulate us.

    I'm currently writing a Windows-based radio station automation system (no jokes about the blue sound of death, almost all radio stations are run off Windows) modelled after OpLog (http://omt.net), and I would take the care and time to schedual, voice track, and even go on live when I had the time. Not only that, but I have a good taste of music (to me).

    I personally hope the FCC gets off their asses and does something good for the PEOPLE once instead of Entercom and Clear Channel. Does anyone remember when 'The Airwaves Belong[ed] To The People'? I think it was back when ONE company could own ONE FM, ONE AM, and ONE TV station in a single market.

    So, from this I'm sure you can tell how I fell about the new legislation Clear Channel and Entercom passed through the government allowing single corperations to own EVEN MORE stations in a single market.

    I hate you FCC.

    I hate you Clear Channel.

    I hate you Entercom.

    If the airwaves belong to the people, why can't the people own them?

  33. Video store trip! by teamhasnoi · · Score: 1

    Who's watching Pump Up the Volume tonight?!! WOOOO! Go Christian Slater!! Go generic top-lifing love-interest chick, GO!

  34. Nothing will change by Teahouse · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From the FCC regulations:

    http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/lpfm/index.html

    "LPFM stations are available to noncommercial educational entities and public safety and transportation organizations"

    Pretty much Churches ("God God God!") and Schools ("Snow day today, please floss your cats") can broadcast as LPFM, but no one else is going to get a permit because GOD FORBID some independent vinyl freak may become more listened to than the drabble from MEGACRAPCORP BROADCASTING and their 50k watt transmitter.

    --
    "Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect."- Steven Wright
    1. Re:Nothing will change by akb · · Score: 1

      Churches and schools do make up a large number of the lpfm licensees but there's no restriction on noncommercial entities from applying. I went to a workshop that an environmental group outside of DC had when they were setting up their station, WRYR, 97.5FM.

  35. Guerilla Radio... by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 1

    Hopefully this means that radio will be more democratized.

    1. Re:Guerilla Radio... by djeaux · · Score: 1
      That's probably why Congress "gutted" the original proposal. Although we're "guaranteed" free speech by the US Constitution, the government doesn't have to guarantee us a venue in which to practice it.

      To quote my favorite songwriter (see sig):

      Democracy don't rule the world
      You better get that out of your head
      This world is ruled by violence
      But that's better left unsaid.
      And while we're quite low on democracy in these days of court-appointed presidents, we're still pretty adept at violence :-(
      --
      "Obviously, I'm not an IBM computer any more than I'm an ashtray" (Bob Dylan)
    2. Re:Guerilla Radio... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Democracy don't rule the world
      You better get that out of your head
      This world is ruled by violence
      But that's better left unsaid."


      Which is why everyone should have a wall of guns, knives, swords and smashing/cutting tools to choose from. Do you actually really know why the goverment dosen't fear the people? Look at your average /.er no one fears them. They fear the goverment and anyone the goverment and it's fellow oppressors can convince them to fear instead. The Goverment and big media own you since they have you in fear of what they can do to you. In a free society it's supposed to be the other way around. Government should fear the people constantly.

    3. Re:Guerilla Radio... by Dr+Reducto · · Score: 1

      Or this quote from Tom Morello:

      "Truly great songs should set the suburbs on fire and destroy cops. I am only interested in witing great songs."

  36. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by schmaltz · · Score: 1

    Generally

    Yes, let's tar *all* LPFM and pirate radio stations with one big brush that sez "Y0U SUCK!!"

    You are most welcome to stick the Clear Drivel[tm] nipple back in yer mouth, ya twit.

    --
    Big Daddy, Johnny, Burp, Aunt Zelda, Scott, Slurp, Big Momma ... where's Siggy?
  37. Where to buy FM broadcast equipment. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Trust me, you don't want to use hacked Mr. Microphones or real estate promotional transmitters to get on the air. If you're interested in broadcasting, affordably, with an FM transmitter, and you are halfway handy with a soldering iron, check out the kits this British outfit sells (they ship internationally):

    http://www.broadcastwarehouse.com/ (click Kits, Modules & Parts)

    Pretty easy to put together and they work very well. Or you could buy one of their pre-assembled jobbies.

    Another company specializing in FM kits is Veronica:

    http://www.veronica.co.uk/

    I built one of their 1 watt PLL kits, and also purchased a 25 watt amp. Great stuff, cheap, well designed. Buy a Cushcraft vertical antenna and you're on the air in style.

  38. Bad low power stations by shawkin · · Score: 1

    This just means that some large media conglomerate and / or some religious broadcasting network will have more stations or more powerful repeaters.

    Diversity in broadcasting is not a likely trend with the current FCC.

    1. Re:Bad low power stations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      " This just means that some large media conglomerate and / or some religious broadcasting network will have more stations or more powerful repeaters.

      Diversity in broadcasting is not a likely trend with the current FCC."


      You talk like it ever has been. I hope you don't believe this is the case. Since the 1940's Broadcasting has been for the very rich or corperates. Just the paper work to get a regular major market station on the air is usually a million dollar deal right now. Don't blame this on the current FCC commission just because you are a biggot and can't stand to see a conservate who is black too (double bad.) Nothing worse than a uppity nigger especially if he is conservative and controls a government agency if you are a true blue socialist liberal.

      Since only about 1% of all /.ers even know how Broadcast radio actually works I find all the "Clearchannel is evil shit" funny the rules that let Clearchanel run the sick generic radio they do are ones a Democrat party dominated FCC commision made. Thank your liberial "friends of Hillary and whats his name" for the situation. All evil in the world isn't, wasn't and never will be caused by (insert some Republicans name here.) How many /.er besides me have ever worked in a real radios station? Done any real broadcast engineering? There is a whole world out there you know shitall about. Radio is more complicated then playing your favorite tunes. The total absence of good music on most radio is caused by the record companies not FFC regs. Radio is also based on what sells. Radio is a for profit operation and even "public radio" has to pay the light bill. If you don't pay the light bill they shut the power off. Technical people usually don't work for free. Welcome to reality

      If you want to get a good low power transmitter
      get a ramsy kit or find a FM modulator and do it. Just don't complain when you step on someone elses frequenys and the FCC comes and busts you ass Forget ever getting a license if this happens. You and all four of your listeners will have fun I am sure.

      Posting AC for a good reason

    2. Re:Bad low power stations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude, he didnt even say that, learn to read before you assume you know what everybody else is thinking. Why you didn't get modded down for the racial slurs, I can only guess

  39. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That wouldn't necessarily be an obstacle. There are already a bunch of "regular" stations that simulcast (on different frequencise) now to improve coverage area. And if you have more of a traditional network, it's like all the people who say, take a news feed from ABC.
    What matters is what feeds the transmitter. The feeds between studios are off your "program" air - they could be sent via phone, the net, microwave, whatever, and then fed over the "local" transmitter.
    There is probably a project to be had where you set up a common server, and on your appointed slice of the schedule it takes in your feed and ships it out to the other stations, who in turn air it. You could even automate it to switch between sources at set times, though that would require some sharp backtiming. /anonymous for a reason

  40. Look at the applicants by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    See http://www.fcc.gov/mb/audio/lpfm/ and search for the state of interest.


    Lots and lots of religious outfits - Calvary Church is a big one. Overwhelming majority are churches. You get an idea of what the programming will be, I think.


    Some "interesting" ones in California:

    • THE LORAX SOCIETY
    • RADIO EDUCATION ASSOCIATES (R.E.A)
    • GLEN ELLEN FIRE PROTECTION DISTRICT
    • ROCK 'N ROLL PRESERVATION SOCIETY (sounds like MY kind of religion)
  41. And you want a spam law from the same Congress? by Fastball · · Score: 1
    So congress decided that they were "engineers" and said that there would be "inteference", and gutted LPFM.

    Face it. You will not get a solution to a technical problem like spam from these jokers on Capitol Hill. And for those of you who think spam is a social problem, you will not get a solution to a social problem from these people either.

    Wow. Why did I ever believe Congress was a place that American business, be it commercial, social, or cultural, got done? Did Congress always stand opposed to the individual as it does today?

    1. Re:And you want a spam law from the same Congress? by Asprin · · Score: 1


      Did Congress always stand opposed to the individual as it does today?

      You know the joke - "If PRO is the opposite of CON, what's the opposite of progress?"

      IIRC, one of the central issues of debate when The Constitution was drafted was whether the federal limitations specified eventually in The Bill Of Rights should be included explicitly somewhere as part of the document. Many of the states' representatives expected that what they were doing was so obvious that there wasn't any need to clog the thing up with stuff like guarantees that congress wouldn't interfere with free speech or usurp authority that hadn't been explicitly granted elsewhere -- they expected such things to be "understood". Luckily, the other side of the issue (the side that didn't trust themselves with power) was able to negotiate a settlement of sorts and The Bill Of Rights was tacked on to explicitly limit federal power in very general areas.

      Personally, I think it would have been nice if they had added "...so don't get any f---ing ideas!" to that last one - you know, make it super-double-extra clear where the boundry is, because they seem to have practically ignored it ever since. :(

      --
      "Lawyers are for sucks."
      - Doug McKenzie
  42. I filed a comment with the FCC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    I wrote in favor of the report, in favor of returning to the 1,000 watt power level that was in the proposal before congress got a hold of it, and elimination of the congress mandated 3rd channel guardbands.

    In short, the way the FCC had it in the first place before NPR and the NAB got to it. You can do it online following the instructions at DIYMEDIA. It may not make a difference in the final outcome of at least I got my two cents in, and as a commenter, I get copies of all other comments made on the issue from the FCC!

  43. OH Goody Were Going To Have More Talk Radio! by ratfynk · · Score: 2, Funny

    Music Smoosic just give me more Opra wantabees on small regional FM stations.
    Just imagine you will be adle to drive from Portland Ore. all the way to Portland Maine and not have to listen to music. Wonderfull.

    --
    OH THE SHAME I fell off the wagon and use sigs again!
  44. Interference and junk radios by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative
    Buried in the conclusions is the annoying cause of the third-adjacent-channel interference. The best receiver used for testing had less than 60dB rejection of the unwanted station; typical portable radios had less than 30dB. In simple language, that ranges from mediocre performance to "sucks rocks". If you lived 250m from one of Clear Channel's 50KW transmitters, that would block an independent 1KW station 25km away from you--with the least-bad receiver they used. If it's the worst, the indy would have to be less than 2km away to be heard.

    The problem isn't the LPFM station, it isn't the FPFM station, it's the poor selectivity of FM receivers. 50-60dB is entirely practicable for low cost portables, and at least 80dB should be the norm for higher priced home audio equipment. But the honest truth is that manufacturers aren't going to give you any better performance unless customers ask for it (ie, complain). They can use every channel in sub-$100 "cable ready" TV sets, so they can certainly build affordable "high signal density" FM radios--if there's a market for them.

  45. Channels 2 and 3 interfere... by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    TV channels 2 interferes with 3... 3 interferes with 4... 5 interferes with 6... 7 interferes with 8, 8 with 9, 9 with 10, 10 with 11, 11 with 12, and 12 with 13... and the FCC doesn't consider it a big hairy deal. They just allocate them in a sort of checkerboard fashion, pragmatically.

    Why can't we have the same kind of pragmatism in the FM band? Let the micropower stations flourish, and IF there is a genuine local interference issue THEN assign them to a different frequency.

    1. Re:Channels 2 and 3 interfere... by bill_beeman · · Score: 1

      We do have that kind of pragmatic assignment scheme now...and the proposal on the table is to allow LPFM to be dropped in regardless.

      And note that LPFM should have to provide the same Emergency Information that others do...again, a non-trivial problem from both an operational and financial view.

  46. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    no jokes about the blue sound of death, almost all radio stations are run off Windows

    Very bad excuse. In rapidly changing markets, popularity is proportional to marketing ability, not quality. The Segway, BetaMax, and MS Windows are some good examples.

  47. Low Power and loving it by Only+in+the+dark · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Up here in Anchorage Alaska, we have a LPFM station running right along with the larger radio stations. In fact, one of there bumpers states "KZND, Low power and lovin it!" They play some decent music, but they have been under review by the FCC (not due to the fact that they are low power, but because 87.7 is supposed to the audio band for television channel 6). The music is decent, so I often find myself surfing over to The End . Just my $.02 worth.

    --
    We, the unwilling,led by the unknowing,are doing the impossible for the ungrateful.--Author Unknown
    1. Re:Low Power and loving it by w9wi · · Score: 1

      Officially, KZND is a TV station, not a radio station! Ironically, it's a low-power TV station - supporters managed to get that service approved over objections. As with LPFM, most outlets are indeed national religious organizations, but there are some excellent and interesting LPTVs.

      From a technical standpoint, TV sound is essentially the same thing as FM radio. (in fact, if you live in some other city that has a regular TV station on channel 6, you can hear the TV sound on 87.75 FM. Some TV stations even promote the fact.) Really the only difference is lower "peak deviation" - this means the TV sound is low in volume when listened to on a radio.

      What got KZND in trouble was they were only broadcasting sound - they weren't operating the visual transmitter. My understanding is that they've begun transmitting a community-events slate or something like that on the picture transmitter, and the case is closed.

    2. Re:Low Power and loving it by akb · · Score: 1

      Don't forget to mention community radio legend Jeremy Lansman who owns the station. He's been involved in helping the Prometheus Radio Project setup some of the few LPFMs that have been licensed so far.

      Here's the page he maintains about locking horns w/ the FCC over KZND.

  48. Not technical interference by jelle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Congress wasn't talking about interference in the technical sense that channels would interfere in the spectrum of the existing channels, but about interference in the audience. It's business interference that the low power FM channels are being accused of by the oligopolists...

    --
    --- Hindsight is 20/20, but walking backwards is not the answer.
    1. Re:Not technical interference by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "It's business interference that the low power FM channels are being accused of by the oligopolists..."

      That would be rich well connected Democrats and Republicans I infer. So what is your point? Kill all rich people and there children to prevent this?

  49. Hunh? You are SO wrong! by mekkab · · Score: 3, Informative

    IANAL, but my wife IS, and is currently studying for her BAR exam. Why is that of interest? The Constitutional law part.

    It seems that literally ANY point can be argued as a breach of the commerce clause.
    As proof I give you Katzenbach v. McClung. (ollie's BBQ)

    A tiny, tiny local BBQ joint didn't want to serve blacks (only allowed take-out). Title II of the Civil Rights act claim is made against BBQ joint.

    from THis website: Katzenbach v. McClung,44 (Ollie BBQ), held that since 70% of meat served at a restaurant located only 11 blocks from a major interstate highway is subject to interstate commerce, noting a "rational basis" for finding discrimination in restaurants had a direct and adverse effect on free-flow of interstate commerce."


    Your paper plates could come from out of state. POWER and Electricity can come from out of state. Telephone service, etc.

    Every BAR prep course recommends you trot out the commerce clause to question the constitutionality of anything- because its so damn broad.

    P.S.- when I showed her your post, she giggled.

    --
    In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
    1. Re:Hunh? You are SO wrong! by gmhowell · · Score: 1

      He probably got his info from the same place as those people who figured out that income taxes are only applicable to non-citizens.

      --
      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
  50. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by MattCohn.com · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know what a Segway is so I'll skip it,

    BetaMax had higher technical quality, but had several important flaws that lead to its downfall. The most important was that it was short. There were MANY full length movies that had to be shipped on two. I wouldn't like switching tapes in the middle of the Matrix.

    Windows has very good quality. Most people here refuse to admit it, but Windows is a large complex peice of quality software. It also works beutifully for running a radio station. In an environment where zero downtime is a must Windows is trusted over Mac, Unix, Linux, BSD, ect. competators for some simple reasons.

    1. There is a large company backing it up. I know most of you think it's a large evil company, but it is a large powerful company which isn't going anywhere for a while.

    2. It's very stable. You set up a good instalation of 2K, put what you NEED on it, and keep what you don't off, stop end users from making un-necessary config changes and you'll see that thing running like a rock.

    3. It's very easy to write software for. Because of this, there is much more software availible for it. Because of this, there is much more quality software availible for it.

    Microsoft didn't get where it is today with marketing, it needed a quality product. That's why radio stations use it.

  51. most of you are missing the point by novacrook · · Score: 2, Informative

    the big deal about LPFM is not what music gets played on the air. free speech doesn't mean some dj picking out the music s/he likes--it means somebody going on the air and actually having something to say. it's about letting communities getting together and deciding who gets airtime before an election instead of corporations selling it off to the highest bidder. it's about underground news media having somewhat equal footing with the mainstream.

    music is nice. but it can be incredibly trivial. people are getting their panties all up in a bunch over clear channel playing shitty music when the reality is that before clear channel bought up all the big radio stations around the country, those stations were still just playing music and promoting concerts and tipping you off to the morning commute.

  52. Public Access Pirate Radio by Dan+Crash · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I can tell you what worked for us.

    In the year 2000, we hooked our 150 watt transmitter up to the Internet and hung a banner over a Mpls/St. Paul I-94 overpass with our website spray painted on it.

    Visitors to the website could upload any MP3 off their hard drive to the station and it would be automatically queued up for broadcast. We also set up a voicemail line for those who didn't have computers -- any voicemail left there would be automaticaly queued up for broadcast as well.

    It was great radio for the 2 weeks straight that it lasted. The best I've ever heard. We got several hundred uploads and voicemails on the air. When we ran the same station promos too much people began making their own and uploading them. It was wild.

    When the FCC agents found our transmitter, we had to go on hiatus. We've worked on improving the software we use, and we may do it again someday. I think a model like this -- with some substantial tweaking -- could make microradio stations the most fascinating audio in town.

    --
    He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense.
  53. Bah. by Cinematique · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's sad that a local station is allowed to spew 50,000 watts of Country music into the air, overflowing into adjacent frequencies, but if someone broadcasts a stable 1,000-watt signal, they're (still) doing something against the law.

    Me, bitter? Nah...

  54. Lopez, Morrison limit Commerce Power by metamathica · · Score: 2, Informative
    I assume your wife knows about this, so you should ask her. You probably shouldn't call her a lawyer until she passes the test though....

    The Court in recent years has clamped down on the Commerce Clause a bit. They've thrown out a few criminal laws that based their jurisdiction on nebulous commercial effects like those you mention. The Court has shown a new interest in these cases in protecting traditional state powers by requiring more direct connections commerce.

    The idea is that modern commerce is virtually all of interstate nature due to technology, trade and other advances since the Constitution was written. These new cases are pushing back on the requirement that something is actually commercial. For example, national regulation of crime and illegal drugs in our country has been based on their indirect effects on the economy. It's not clear exactly how commercial something will have to be, but it is clear that the Court is starting to take the words Interstate Commerce as an actual restriction again.

    Two cases to look up are Lopez and Morrison if you want to understand the modern contours of the Commerce Clause. You can find both at Findlaw.

    There's also an excellent article by Lawrence Lessig called Translating Federalism that discusses the impact of these cases. You'll have to go to your nearest law library to fin dit.

    1. Re:Lopez, Morrison limit Commerce Power by mekkab · · Score: 1

      You probably shouldn't call her a lawyer until she passes the test though....
      Actually, I can't call her an ATTORNEY until she passes- but A Juris Doctor is a lawyer.

      As for the recent tightening of the Commerce Clause: well, remember that I am getting my info second hand, and she is studying BAR-law, which is a different beast than real law (BAR law being a snapshop in time and not necessarily GOOD law anymore).

      Thanks for the updated cases (Lopez & Morrison)!

      --
      In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
    2. Re:Lopez, Morrison limit Commerce Power by metamathica · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize the distinction in terminology (attorney vs. lawyer). Anyway, good luck to your wife on the exam!

    3. Re:Lopez, Morrison limit Commerce Power by mekkab · · Score: 1

      I didn't realize the distinction in terminology (attorney vs. lawyer).

      [SIGH],Something only a lawyer would think up! ;)

      Anyway, good luck to your wife on the exam!


      Thanks! I think I'll wait until she's actually taken it to "blow her mind" with the Lopez, Mirrosion limitations. Of course, if she turns around and says "well, D'uh!" it just won't have the same effect.

      --
      In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
    4. Re:Lopez, Morrison limit Commerce Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Look over the pond where you have a Barrister and a Solicter.
      I believe I saw somewhere that only one of the two can actually argue a case in front of the court.

    5. Re:Lopez, Morrison limit Commerce Power by mekkab · · Score: 1

      BTW- I spoke to my wife- she knew Morrison off the top of her head! (so much for surprising her with my legal knowledge)

      However to bring it to this convo-
      Morrison was about Sexual Assault, Lopez was about a gun in a school. This is about RADIO WAVES- due to broadcast being a prime channel for advertisements and commerce, there is a stronger argument for having an actual nexus of commerce (as opposed to Sexual Assault and a Gun in schools, which really have no relation to commerce at all).

      So yes- Commerce Clause isn't the "get out of jail free" card (or rather, "get into jail free!" card) but its still loose enough that it would be at least worth arguing before a judge (who would be the final arbiter of wether it was affecting commerce or not).

      --
      In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
    6. Re:Lopez, Morrison limit Commerce Power by mekkab · · Score: 1

      yeah, I hear that. You can be a lawyer without being licensed to practice... (look at most law school professors- they let their memberships in BAR associations lapse).

      --
      In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
    7. Re:Lopez, Morrison limit Commerce Power by metamathica · · Score: 1
      I know the cases pretty well too. I agree that in the case of radio waves, the interstate commerce argument is pretty sound. You were mentioning things like the purchase of paper plates affecting your business, etc. You sounded pretty educated so I thought you might be interested in some of what was happening.

      Maybe I wasn't clear, but I wasn't really disagreeing with your main thrust in regard to this particular case. There might be an interesting argument that low-power, non-profit radio stations aren't really commercial and could be allocated by the states similar to what the FCC recommended. I mentioned the Lessig article is because he brings up the sort of issue I raise above. His main argument is that our legal system and culture has given up (or moved beyond) the kind of strict divisions that make commercial a rigorous concept. Are local, non-profit radio stations that don't make interference part of commerce? Lessig argues that drawing those distinctions is unsafe and that the Lopez decisions will ultimately fall apart because of the difficulty in maintaining the distinction. This will, he argues, bring us back to a place where interstate commerce means anything the Congress wants.

      The really interesting thing about Morrison is that Congress spent years doing studies and documenting substantial effects that violence against women had on commerce. They found all sorts of links to fear, reduced education, lost work time, etc. The Supreme Court acknowledged and agreed that such violence did in fact substantially hurt interstate commerce, but proclaimed that commerce needed to be the main point of the law.

      I have studied the Commerce Clause, those cases and their scholarship pretty extensively. I'm not a laywer--or an attorney ;-)--but I know about as much as anyone who's not. I think the Commerce Clause, and federalism in general, is fascinating and love educating and discussing it with anyone who seems interested.

      Anyway, if you're interested in this stuff you should spend an hour or two reading those cases. The opinions--and that Lessig article--are pretty much a crash course on the Commerce Clause, which is one of the most important parts of our country's legal system. All are accessible to anyone with a good net connection (to Findlaw) and a good vocabulary (or dictionary).
    8. Re:Lopez, Morrison limit Commerce Power by mekkab · · Score: 1

      You sounded pretty educated
      A ha! You have been fooled ! ;)

      Actually, my response of relevence between Morrison and Lopez to this case is my way of "thinking outloud" about the topic (and hoping you would respond- ESPECIALLY if I was wrong!). I'm definitely interested, however of late I'm trying to find time between all the fires I'm fighting at work- so its bits and pieces of thinking here and there...

      Based upon your recommendations, I will take the time to wrap my head around those cases and the decisions behind their holdings.

      I love it when you can learn something from Slashdot! (aside from being told that I have been 0wnz0r3d)

      --
      In the future, I would want to not be isolated from my friends in the Space Station.
  55. What difference does it make? by Micro$will · · Score: 1

    With the RIAA taxing web broadcasters out of existance, I can't imagine anything interesting being played on a LPFM station besides talk shows and garage bands.

  56. I wonder why no one is talking about low power AM by multiplexo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    in the 1630 to 1710kHz range. The FCC opened this up in the late 1980s and it remains largely unused. Sure, people are going to whine and say that AM broadcast quality isn't as good as FM, but I'd rather listen to an interesting station on AM, with the occasional crackle of static, than perfectly clear corporate clear channel crap on FM. It seems to me that the FCC could take this space and rededicate it to community low power AM stations.

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    cheap labor conservatives - they want to keep you hungry enough to be thankful for minimum wage.
  57. In many big cities FM's are 2 channels apart... by Newer+Guy · · Score: 2, Informative

    In many big cities the (NY, LA and Chi for 3), there's a full power (50 or 100 Kw) station every four channels (800 Khz) starting at 92.3 and ending at 107.5. In the '60's, the FCC realized that this channel allotment scheme meant that there were no frequencies (FM channels; the FM band is channelized, where 87.9 is channel 200 and 107.9 is 300) for local stations in suburbs. The FCC's answer was to allow class A (local) FM stations IN BETWEEN the bigger stations. This means that in these cities, there's stations ALREADY located 400 khz (2 channels) apart. Look at LA for example: The class B (50 Kw) stations are on 92.3, 93.1, 93.9, 94.7, etc. But in between there are suburban (3 and 6 Kw) FM stations on 92.7, 93.5, 94.3...all the way up to 107.1! If these 50 and 3/6 Kw stations can co-exist (and they have - for decades!) two channels apart I can't understand why a 100 watt LPFM can't either. Oh WAIT... we're talking Clear Channel, The NAB, and Congress here aren't we? The laws of physics don't APPLY to them! Never mind!

  58. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by afidel · · Score: 1

    That would impact people driving around, but would still make my idea workable in terms of people who listen to the radio at home.

    Which is almost no one, check the Nielson ratings, the only time a significant number of people listen to radio is when they are essentially a captive audience, during the drivetime.

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  59. There is a lot of interference by GnarlyNome · · Score: 2, Funny

    Amazing how much interference is created by a briefcase full of hundred dollar bills

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  60. You can already do that by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

    Of course you would get tired of Rush Limbaugh
    Took a trip cross country only had an AM radio in car Torture

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  61. Wrong by GnarlyNome · · Score: 1

    Clear Channel owns Congress

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  62. Er... by autechre · · Score: 1

    Where do you think many of the "independant vinyl freaks" show up? College radio! Most college radio stations that I've encountered get at least some funding from the school, and also pay reduced ASCAP/BMI/SESAC fees as non-commercial broadcasters. If you can get the administration to support you (or at least not actively oppose you), it's easier to start a radio station there than "on the outside".

    When WJHU (which has now changed call letters to something inane) was sold out from under the students and turned into an NPR station, the student radio station was left without a means to broadcast. UMBC's radio station has never had one (under part 15, we can cover the campus with AM, and we also do Internet broadcasting, but that's it.) I'm sure there are many other universities anxiously watching the LPFM struggle.

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  63. This raises an interesting point by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dear alt.music.tool members, There is a sinister, wretched cancer growing upon the very fabric of
    American culture. It is eating away at our morals, our health, our
    safety, and most of all, our spirituality. It operates behind
    carefully constructed veils such as "freedom of speech" and "moral
    relativism." I'm, of course, talking about none other than the liberal
    agenda. The nay-sayers. The blame-America-firsters. The political
    dissidents.

    Before I go on, I would like to make it clear that it was not too long
    ago that I was very optimistic with, what I saw, as perhaps a new
    direction our country was taking. This optimism emerged shortly after
    the 9-11 tragedy, when I looked down the street and saw Henry Parker,
    the neighborhood's most outspoken liberal, putting a flag outside his
    door. In my optimism, I reasoned that a tragedy of this magnitude
    should wake up even the most radical liberal permanently! In reality,
    of course, his flag is long gone and he, as well as millions of his
    other fellow leftists, has reverted back to their un-American
    activities.

    During times of peace, perhaps the activities of these iconoclastic
    "citizens" can be tolerated. But when our children live with the
    threatening knife of terrorism poised at their throat, our tolerance
    must be waived. Ann Coulter put this much more eloquently than I, when
    she recently stated that "We need to execute people like John Walker
    in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize
    that THEY can be killed too,"

    How true this is. Up high upon their ivory towers, liberals have
    indeed lost touch with reality. It would seem that they cannot see
    this knife being wielded by the murderous villains in countries all
    around the globe. They have become ungrateful for the things that the
    greatest nation on earth has given them, and their similarities to the
    heathens that the LORD spoke of in Sodom and Gomorrah, is becoming
    shockingly more similar by the minute. Of course, I'm certainly not
    proposing that we indiscriminately rain fire and brimstone upon them,
    but certainly we can give them a nudge, push or blatant smack up side
    the head, to wake them up.

    Perhaps this all seems ambiguous at this point, I apologize for that,
    but it is necessary to spell out a problem unemotionally, so that we
    can create proposals based in pure logic.

    Upon investigation, I realized how we barely dodged a bigger bullet on
    9-11. It is true that the majority of the liberals of this country
    were temporarily whipped into the mentality of a sane individual and
    yes, they stayed out of our way long enough so that we could
    accomplish our most pressing concern. However, there was a minority of
    dissenters who did not feel that the death of some three thousand
    people was worth letting go of their perverted ideology.

    Where do these people hide, you ask? Behind closed doors? In damp,
    dim-lit basements? No, my friends, the fact of the matter is that
    these enemies of the people did not even hide at all. They live on
    college campuses and many of them even stood on street corners and
    pedestrian malls holding up signs that boasted their dementia.

    Although it is widely known that the campuses of U.S. universities
    have long been the breeding grounds of anti-Americanism, communism,
    homosexuality, illicit drug activity and other acts of fornication
    that I cannot even describe. This time, however, they have simply gone
    too far. These pro-anarchy pacifists have declared war upon American
    morality, and I think it's time we finally fought back.

    That is why I propose abolishing the status quo of ALL U.S.
    universities, public and private (with perhaps the exception of Bob
    Jones University). All upper-level administrators should be fired as
    well as all the beatnik socialists that they call "professors". In its
    place, I propose, the military take over all responsibilities that we,
    so foolish

  64. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by Lumpy · · Score: 1

    No, it doesn't. Have you ever heard a pirate radio station? Generally it's someone with their MP3s on random play who cuts in for the occassional rant about how cool this is or how the FCC sucks or whatever.

    there is a BIG difference between a real pirate radio station and the wannabees like you just talked about.

    It's like a true cracker and a script kiddie... you just described a script kiddie... every once in a while you get a real pirate radio station... and recently they have increased not because of FCC regulations but because of INSANE ASCAP and BMI fees. Although I say broadcast indie music instead of that crap that is only available via ASCAP and BMI... but I digress...

    I am sitting on my LPFM transmiter, aphex Dominator II and other REAL equipment to ensure I was going to do it right... well my LPFM license was stopped with the last round of bribery by Clear Channel in congress and I am really hoping that I can get it on the air finally. but again, I doubt it.

    the difference between a LPFM operator and a wannabee with a radio-shack fm transmitter and a modified CB linear amplifier is that LPFM operators are true professionals that are of the caliber of a regular broadcast engineer.. and we use the same or better stuff. (I know of one local FB station that does NOT have any limiters (let alone a 5 band limiter like I have) before the transmitter to ensure you CAN'T over deviate.

    as for station automation... there is a great project for linux that can do that... ABS (automatic Broadcast system) no it wont do ad-insertion but as LPFM you cannot be a commercial station thanks to more bribes to congress by clear channel.

    The problem I see is that most of the LPFM stations that did make it on the air... are church owned... It's fine to broadcast your beliefs... but it's simply repeating the same thing over and over... and I am NOT interested in listening to saturday night bingo....

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  65. FM misconceptions by w9wi · · Score: 1

    One comment suggested that FM stations increase power at night - not true. All FM stations are licensed for the same power at all times. Many AM stations change power at night. (though they usually reduce it, not increase) Certain atmospheric phenomona do cause FM signals to cover greater distances, and these phenomona do usually work better at night.

    The cited 104.7 station was not in Spokane. KEEH has changed frequency to 104.9. (in any case I doubt their signal would make it across the mountains) I would bet the 104.7 was in Wenatchee. 104.9 could have been in Vancouver, Canada.

    The Boston stations 0.4MHz apart are not officially in Boston - officially, there are only 12 FM stations in Boston. For example, 92.5 is officially in Haverhill while 92.9 is considered Brookline.

    In this particular case I believe 92.5 is a "grandfathered" short-spaced assignment, originally authorized at much lower power and not attempting to cover Boston.

    There are some (many!) "rimshotting" stations officially in outlying towns and attempting to cover large cities from the fringes. As two examples, WQZQ ("102.5 The Party") and WBUZ ("102-9 The Buzz") here in Nashville. WQZQ is officially in Dickson, with a transmitter 49km west of Nashville. WBUZ is officially in LaVergne, with a transmitter 44km southeast of Nashville. Both stations deliver a 70dBu "city-grade" signal across Nashville but only a 55dBu signal at each other's transmitter sites.

    Someone mentioned stations being 0.2MHz apart. Actually, channels are 0.2MHz apart - adjacent channels cannot be used in the same area.

    I have no idea what "0.5MHz bleed" is. The term appears neither in the FCC regulations nor in broadcast engineering texts. Some receivers cannot separate stations 0.4MHz apart. Others can. For example, right now I'm listening to WSRR 98.1 in Memphis, nearly 300km away, while WSIX 97.9 is pumping out 100,000 watts from a tower 50km away.

    Finally, RBDS (not RDBS). In theory a station could get income by charging for text messages on RBDS decoders. I don't know of any station actually doing so.

    What they do make money at is leasing other subcarriers. A FM station can carry two sub-programs along with their normal stereo audio and the RBDS subcarrier. Traditionally these sub-programs were used to deliver background music ("Muzak") though they can also carry medium-speed data up to maybe 20kb/s or so.

  66. Radio Shack external FM Antenna by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I installed a Radio Shack external FM antenna, about 4 feet by 4 feet, on top of my house and was able to get FM stations 250+ miles away.

    For $14 + time to install it, it cut noise in half, increased the available stations, and all around was worth it.

    1. Re:Radio Shack external FM Antenna by dave3138 · · Score: 1

      I'll second that. Those antennas are the best I've seen for FM broadcast reception. They are also easy to modify to create a cheap 2-meter beam.

  67. Re:No, or at least not using traditional approache by HomerNet · · Score: 1

    Other people who find your show can set up their own low power transmitters and rebroadcast it, and maybe add their own shows and content to the "network"

    Clever idea. It would certainly give the luzer stations that play now a run for their money.

    This would hopefully lead to a situation where democratic radio stations would emerge. If enough people like your content, the area in which it could be heard would grow as more transmitters are added. This could snowball to the point where, at least in urban areas, you'd have something like a real coverage area. If your show quality drops off, well, transmitter owners can go elsewhere.

    Good idea, bad implimentation. This requires that all the "station owners" agree on what's good, which may not coincide with what the listening audience thinks. Picture this though, software and hardware tuners that are specially designed for these stations so that when someone likes a song, they push a button, and that song is upgraded. Same, of course, for songs people don't like being downgraded. The station "owner" would still be able to play what they wanted, but they would have direct feedback as to what their listeners wanted as well, without going through an intermediary like Neilson (or whoever).

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  68. Wrong. by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    Considering that IBOC has significantly more stringent restrictions on spectral quality, I don't think this will be the case.

    I spent last summer working on power amplifiers designed for IBOC applications. The specs we had to meet were a LOT more stringent and our amps were spectrally more pure than your average FM broadcast transmitter these days.

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  69. Try moving to... by Andy+Dodd · · Score: 1

    A college town...

    A few friends of mine were involved in producing their own "talk show" format public-access show, which included reviews of music videos.

    Well, the hosts almost always thought that the music videos played sucked. And they would proceed to MST3K it the entire way. The show was hilarious, even before you got to their own custom content like, "A day in the life of Dave and Mike".

    And they had the most amusing "press coverage" of Cornell's student elections when that time of year came around. "Is it true that so-and-so has a penchant for hamsters?"

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