Big Brother Gets a Brain

Gregus writes "The Village Voice delves into the DARPA's latest plan to track people and vehicle movement in cities, ostensibly for urban warfare, though this would be really handy watching 'suspicious' people in any city. "The goal, according to a recent Pentagon presentation to defense contractors, is to 'track everything that moves.' " The actual DARPA RFP and briefings. I just feel more safe all the time."

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Its amazing

[Cackmobile]

How orwellian our world is becoming. He must have had a time machine or something. Seriously if you havn't read 1984 you really should. Everything is coming true!!

Re:Its amazing

[vargul]

Everthing was already true when that book was written. It is only getting more and more apparent and obvious nowadays.

Re:Its amazing

[Rogerborg]

1984 covers that. The disputed territories in 1984 cover most of Africa and some of Asia, and they are valuabel as a source of cheap labour, but only so that the domestic populations of Oceana, Eurasia and Eastasia can focus entirely on the war effort.

That said, while Orwell got a lot right, he called it wrong on Eurasia and Eastasia, and on the basis principle of using austerity to cover up inequality. We in Oceana have a rich, educated, fairly indolent population, but we haven't seen fit to cast down our super rich ruling class. Bread and circusses keep people quiet just as well as starvation and overt oppression.

Re:Its amazing

[Stiletto]

If you think the current U.S. "middle class" is rich and educated, you better take a closer look. Two parents each working 50 hours a week to pay off the mortgage and cars is NOT rich. Most of what in the U.S. is considered middle class lives to barely break even when you take into account personal consumer debt.

The U.S. middle class _IS_ the proletariat in 1984. They are oppressed and kept powerless not by a big brother-like watchful government (yet), but by the debt brought on by their consumption-based lifestyles.

I won't even get into the education level of the U.S. middle class. Look around you and draw your own conclusions.

Re:Its amazing

[Rogerborg]

Another interesting lesson in 1984 is that when Winston is inducted into the (anti establishment) Brotherhood, it is made clear to him that this is a suicidal act. He will die because of it. His best hope is to kill himself rather than being taken alive. He will receive no rewards, little contact, no secret knowledge, and he will not see his efforts rewarded within his lifetime. He will just serve, and then die.

And Winston still leaps at the opportunity. He commits himself to carrying out any act to weaken the power of the Party, to kill innocents, to "throw sulphuric acid in a child's face" without question, merely at the behest of his Brotherhood contact. Winston has no hope. He is already resigned to a pointless death, possible for something he didn't do. This way he feels that he has some control over his life and his means of passing.

When I read this, I paused to admire the stark clarity of the message. People with no hope become irrational. You can't reason with them, you can't threaten them, you can't bargain with them.

Israel discovered this to its cost years ago. Kill a child's family, destroy his future, take away all hope, and you craft a weapon for your enemies to wield against you. Shower someone with hatred all their life, and the first person to show them love will control them. Oceana is only just beginning to find this out, but we seem to be in full denial about it right now. Empty rhetoric won't console the Afghan and Iraqi orphans we created. Yes, Saddam created more, but that won't console the ones that we created.

Sorry, got a bit off track there, just wanted to mention that 1984 is a salient lesson in how to create terrorists, or specifically their pawns.

Re:Its amazing

[Planesdragon]

People with no hope become irrational. You can't reason with them, you can't threaten them, you can't bargain with them.

I wouldn't call them irrational--heck, I cringe whenever I hear someone dismiss someone else a "irrational."

When you have nothing, doing anything that might advance your cause is rational.

Oddly enough, the best way to defeat terrorism is to solve the grievances of the terrorists. Why should the palestineans suffer because Europeans feel guilty about mistreating the Jews, for example? Creating a new palestinean state is the best way to end the Infantadia. An even better way would be a semi-secular, ethnicity-blind Israel.

As for Afghanistan and Iraq--the best way to console the orphans we create is to leave these countries far better off than when we got there. If we turn them from rebel enemies to full partners and close allies, we won't have Israel's problems, because the people we orphaned will have hope and a reason to play the game by our rules.

Terrorism isn't irrational--but expecting people to bagrain with you when they have nothing and you offer nothing is irrational.

Re:Its amazing

[csguy314]

Oil isn't really the end here, it's the means. Control over oil sources grants the US control over others (which is the real end).
Think about this, the US has major sway of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and several other OPEC countries. The invasion of Iraq was justified through a series of lies, and the democratic control doesn't appear to be coming anytime soon (the US has just hand-picked 25 people for their civilian council).
Now that the US has control over Iraqi oil, it can express control of it's oil monopoly to stifle any opposition to it's global policies. So if China gets out of line, the US strangles their oil supply.
This is the same reason the US invaded Yugoslavia, and the same reason it maintains sanctions on Cuba, and cut off relations with Iran. Those countries are/were devoid of US influence. Milosovic did not allow US companies and influence into Yugoslavia, but Djindjic did (before he was killed) and his successor will as well.
The people of Cuba, and the people of Iran, threw the US out of their countries.
In fact the whole Iran-Contra scandal was an effort on the part of the US to strengthen the Iranian military in hopes of supporting a coup against the religious government. The US has a long history of working with military dictators because they are easily controlled with arms shipments and military support.

Is it really a problem?

[jaavaaguru]

I'm not too bothered if someone is tracking where I go and where my car goes within a city. I still have the privacy of my own home, which is the only place I really had privacy in the first place, and I have the added benefit of knowing that if my car gets stolen, then someone is tracking it for me. My only worry about this is what happens if the data collected by the government falls into the wrong hands? If someone had enough information about you to know what places you went to on a regular basis, they'd have enough information to know when you're not at home (and therefore the best time to break in and steal things from your house).

I feel the same about the government or my ISP tracking what I do online. If someone know what sites I visit and who I chat to, I'm not really that bothered. If I want to talk PRIVATELY, I'll use an encrypted connection. I don't do anything illegal online (warez, stealing music, etc) so I've nothing to worry about.

Re:Is it really a problem?

[Surak]

I don't do anything illegal online (warez, stealing music, etc) so I've nothing to worry about.

Yet. You forgot the 'yet.' As in "I don't do anything illegal online, YET." Because one day something you actually DO online might become illegal. Then what are you going to do? It's already getting more and more illegal to speak your mind. After all, you wouldn't want to be labelled a 'terrorist' now would you?

Re:Is it really a problem?

[pubjames]

I don't do anything illegal online (warez, stealing music, etc) so I've nothing to worry about.

Sir,

it has come to our attention that you have been illegally hacking into private computer systems. Please report to your local police station to pay your fine and receive your forehead tattoo. Failure to do so will result in your termination.

Have a nice day!

USA Peopletackers(tm) Correction Unit Inc.

Re:Is it really a problem?

[Rogerborg]

> I'm not too bothered if someone is tracking where I go and where my car goes within a city

Sure, because only criminals have something to hide. And you never do anything illegal in your car. You never speed, you never pick up a hooker, you never go and buy drugs, you never pick up anything that you've paid cash for and not asked about the sales tax. Likewise, your car will never be mistaken for someone elses, and you'll never turn the wrong way down Hooker Alley, or stop to ask directions from Peter the Pusher, and you'll never find yourself parking near a terrorist cell gathering, aka anti-government political rally, right? Right?

>I still have the privacy of my own home, which is the only place I really had privacy in the first place

Unless you're suspected of being a terrorist supporting drug user, in which case the police can use an IR camera to watch you through your walls.

But that's OK. You've probably got nothing to worry about. Not this week.

Re:Is it really a problem?

[drooling-dog]

I don't do anything illegal online (warez, stealing music, etc) so I've nothing to worry about.

Well, this is exactly the central fallacy; i.e., that you only need to fear the unbridled power of the state if you're doing something illegal. It is a fallacy because it assumes that all agents of the government have perfect integrity and are interested only in diligently and dispassionately enforcing the law (which is itself perfectly fair and just) and getting the "bad guys" (who are truly bad, always, or else why would they want to get them?).

If this were true, then dictatorships in other countries should be utopias where the Bad Guys are thwarted and Good People (like yourself) live in peace and harmony. But it isn't that way, is it? Dictators - and people in the many layers of authority beneath them - have their own agendas that you won't read in any constitutional document. Maybe you're sitting pretty until some friend of the police chief decides he'd like to buy your house for a really good price, or until some government official notifies your boss that you voted the wrong way in the last election (since you don't need privacy, I mean).

It always amazes me how secure conservatives often feel about their own immunity after they sell out our freedom and liberty for the sake of the "culture wars" they're always talking about. They think that they can always ensure their own safety by whoring themselves to the wealthy and powerful. But eventually the winds don't blow they way you think they will, and you may discover yourself on the enemies list of someone who can do whatever the hell they please. And who will be left to defend your "rights" then?

If I want to talk PRIVATELY, I'll use an encrypted connection.

Of course your benevolent dictatorship that only goes after the Truly Bad will have no problem with your use of encryption.

the cart before the horse

[rdewald]

The USGovt can't even manage the information they receive now. There are reams of information they had about the 9/11 plans that just didn't get invetigated, interrogations that are untranslated years after they happened, untold bytes that are simply stored and unexamined, we should abandon the notion that the government wants these capabilities to protect anyone.

The government wants this information because of a desire for power. Will this be used to scan for threats to the general public or to curtail and monitor the activites of those who threaten governmental power, like dissenting political activists? Look at the history of the abuse of the FBI by almost every executive administration for those answers.

This won't stop until the people pull the plug.

Brain yes....heart no

[Billly Gates]

Subject says all.

Ashcroft really scares me. Libertarians were all supported Bush in 2000. I wonder what they will do in 04. My guess is they are more unhappy with Bush then Clinton at this point thanks mostly to CHeney and Ashcroft.

Jefferson says-

[paiute]

Jesus Tapdancing Christ. Don't you feel that there are people way too close to the levers of power who would be happy if every citizen reported to their local Patriotic Office every day to prove that they were not a terrorist (powder residue tests, full cavity search, lie-detectopr test)?

I'm praying for a rip in the fabric of spacetime that lets the Founding Fathers through. They would be bitch slapping these bastards so hard....

Re:Thanks for the editorializing

[TSMABob]

While you may not be in college or high school, its views like yours that let democracy fall. So Bin Laden trained a few hundred terrorists (because of our egotistical superiority over the middle east, but thats a whole 'nother topic)... does that give the United States any right to "suspect everybody"??? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!

The reason that people live in this great country is because people have the freedom to do what they feel is necessary to protect their rights. If someone wants to "steal gas trucks and ram them into office buildings," certainly the government should take steps to stop them from doing so, but not at the expense of giving up our personal freedoms such as the right to privacy.

Sure, its a scary world, and the possibilities are definitely endless for terrorists who want to blow shit up. But being so gripped by fear to give up your freedom to live your life is the most idiotic way to live I've ever heard. There are millions of people around the world living under that kinda of facist/militaristic rule, and I'd be willing to bet that any one of them would LOVE to trade places with you, with the ability to use the internet to look up information they never knew existed before, to drive around in a car wherever they want, and if they desire, to rise up against an evil government and overthrow them!

Re:more visible?

[TopShelf]

Unless your car is painted some absurdly flat black, your taillights are broken, and you drive around on moonless nights, I highly doubt the license plate makes a significant difference in your visibility to other drivers...

When they say "everyone"

[Rogerborg]

That means DARPA employees, NSA, CIA, FBI, police, Congressmen, Senators, the Executive, Fortunate Sons of Blue Chip dynasties, [RI|MP]AA execs, Enron/Worldcomm/Haliburton CEOs, high class hookers, roofied teenage pop star wannabes, assorted Princes and diplomats from oppressive oil rich dictatorships, coke dealers, transexual Thai ladyboy dominatrices and all, right?

I ask this because it'll be very interesting to see if Freedom of Information extends to letting We, the People find out the locations of those people, and specifically, interesting intersections of them in space-time.

I'm betting not in practice ("National Security" == "IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH"), but it'd be nice to assert it in principle about now to hopefully give Them a chance to pause for thought.

Left hand, right hand

[Badgerman]

On one hand, our government wants to track all movement.

On the other, they're terrified of a dissertation that uses simple data mining to reveal infrastructure weakness.

So . . . they're going to build a massive system, rely on it, and thus give people a nice jucy target to screw up. Knowing the government, it won't work anyway, or if it somehow works it'll be misused, making it only more laughable.

Besides, imagine what happens when someone Bluescreens national security . . .