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Afghanistan Closes Videogame Stores
Thanks to an anonymous reader for pointing to the UK Guardian's report that authorities in Afghanistan have closed hundreds of shops where children played video games. Authorities claimed they were "reacting to complaints from parents that their children spent time and money in the shops instead of going to their schools", and also cited alleged gambling and alcohol drinking in the stores as "corrupting the morals" of young people. The story links this move to increasingly conservative elements in Afghanistan's post-Taliban government, mentioning that cable television was also recently banned by an Afghan supreme court judge.
What is all this afghanistan crap? Did Katz return or something?
They keep slipping back to hardline Islam like this and we might have to "liberate" them all over again!
GMD
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With all the available outlets for emotional expression and stress relief available in Afghanistan, it's no wonder that it is such a peaceful haven.
What happens when you attempt to relieve growing pressure by sealing it off?
Wynter
"Not all who wander are lost" -- JRR Tolkien
In Soviet America, government just tries to make it illegal to sell the hardcore stuff to kids instead of shutting down the whole industry.
Unconstitutional? Sure, the courts will stike down the law, but in the meantime we turn parents into voters because we let them know how much we care. It's like using taxpayers money to fight religious battles. Sure, it seems pointless, but if most of your potential voters are christians who will appreciate your devotion to the almighty while anybody who opposes you is obviously in league with lucifer, and it doesn't cost you anything, why not?
I'm sorry. This is half off-topic (hence no karma bonus) but I just needed to vent. Shouldn't there be any consequences to passing laws that are struck down as unconstitutional?
Seriously, though, while the writeup talks about "Afghanistan", this story is limited to Jalabad. The Taliban mentality is still strong in certain parts of Afghanistan but it's a huge exaggeration to suggest it's dominating the country.
Come to think of it, isn't the most remarkable news that Jalabad, in the most fundamentalist part of the country, already has over 300 video game shops to close down?
What I'm listening to now on Pandora...
Is this really such a bad thing? It may be from our reference point, but it may not be so much from theirs. It is likely that in a soceity that has recently endured so much that the social services such as education are not as in place as they should be. It may be quite easy for kids to just blow off school and play video games. Therefore they may have to temporarily shut down parlors.
Also, we all that has gone on in recent history, we should give the Afghan society some time to grow. It must be really darn hard for so much to be introduced into a culture in so short a period. They've got to slow down a bit so that the masses can change along with everything else.
I went there and waited 43 minutes for the missile to launch from that torpedo tube. Never happened.
Shouldn't the parents and the children decide this, instead of the government?
If you don't like videogame parlors, don't go to them. However, if someone wants to go, let them. Keep governments out of this.
"Also, we all that has gone on in recent history, we should give the Afghan society some time to grow"
Let individual Afghanis decide on this.
"I'm sorry. This is half off-topic (hence no karma bonus) but I just needed to vent. Shouldn't there be any consequences to passing laws that are struck down as unconstitutional?"
There should not be, because too often the people striking them down are striking down things that are very constitutional, and supporting things that aren't.
For example, look at the United States Supreme Court. Just recently, they ruled that it is OK to for taxpayer-funded universities to deny individuals admissions based on their skin color (so much for due process). A few years ago, they struck down the "line item veto", a decision which also had no Constitional basis.
"It's like using taxpayers money to fight religious battles"
The ACLU wastes so much money and effort (including taxpayer money) fighting to censor expression it does not like.
Perhaps they want a more hardline government than we would like them to have. Time will tell. Their elections are scheduled for June of 2004. Let's see what happens then before we condemn them now.
This is truly, a human tragedy in the making.
-Isaac
I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice. For Entertainment Purposes Only.
Ok islamic peoples, let's all say it together: "separation of church and state...separation of church and state...separation of church and state..."
" You don't know what you are talking about. The ACLU doesn't work to pass laws. It works to get them removed."
I wasn't talking about their laws. I was talking about their involvement in pushing lawsuits which of the sole goal of censoring expression.
"The ACLU is an organization that exists solely to protect the Constitution and its amendments."
No, it is not. It fights the Constitution at times.
"Furthermore, donations to the ACLU are taxed. "
So? Your point is?
"So next time, if you want to open your mouth and talk about the ALCU, find out about it first."
I did. It is both anti-first amendment (fighting to censor people) and racist (they believe that the California university system should punish individuals for having the wrong skin color in the name of "group diversity")
Next you're going to tell me they outlawed him too!
If you think education is expensive, you should try ignorance -- Derek Bok, president of Harvard
Sure some don't but I've seen enough yellow buses full of kids to not be too worried.
It's like they've raised by wolves and suddenly found civilization.
Totalitarianism destroys heritage and culture which produces a society incapable of prioritizing (school vs games, that's a tough one) or recognizing the problem (ban the games, don't bring it in slowly, and bring back the straitjacket gov't, that'll fix everything).
As long as they have nothing to look forward to nor noone to look up to, you're going to see this result. I'm sure pride, vanity, envy, and plain lying will produce an argument as to why it's worse without the totalitarian control. Might as well be cryogenically frozen until there's a cure for culture shock (which of course is a catch-22).
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it's really a shame to see such a peaceful nation ruined by the scourge of video games. I'm glad they did something about them before the whole country got devastated.
On Wall Street they say "buy low, sell high" On the pad we say, "buy high, sell high" Isn't that somehow better?
I like games and I'm all for letting kids and adults play age-appropriate games and engage in age-appropriate social activity.
Is it really such a bad thing to remove children from an environment that encourages them to participate in vice -- drinking and gambling -- instead of going to school as the article mentions?
We're talking about a country that has seen its culture and heritage destroyed, and remains essentally lawless as a result of over two deades of brutal war and occupation. There is no infrastructure of any kind to speak of -- governmental, social, utility or otherwise -- and heavily-armed private militias still control the majority of the country and are still the predominant opportunity to earn an income and obtain food, clothing and shelter.
Would you really want a bunch of uneducated, underage alcoholic gamblers traumatized by war -- who have daily witnessed how cheap life is, have easy access to guns, and view the world through the latest first-person shooter -- running wild in the streets?
The other thing I'll say about this ban is that it's not for us to dictate to another culture the kinds of entertainments and pastimes they should engage in.
And before anyone gets too up in arms about this ban and starts making disparaging comments about anyone's faith or culture, I'll remind everyone that we have a LOT of efforts in America to ban minors from buying or playing video games, and none of it has to do with anything as serious as kids skipping school to get drunk and bet on the games they play.
Here's a recent post I submitted that was rejected:
And that's only the latest example. Here are a few of many more:
Violent Video Game Restriction Struck Down
Congress To Consider Age Limits On Violent Games
Indianapolis Bans Violent Video Games
The point is that in Afghanistan the games seem to be concretely linked to a subculture and environment that is detrimental to society at large and the efforts to rebuild civil society. Unless and until they can figure out a way to put games in a more appropriate social setting and context, banning them seems like a logical step.