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Grid Computing Coming Of Age

ravenousbugblatter writes "The New York Times online has an article discussing grid computing and recent advances made by Dr. Ian Foster, among others. The article compares the state of grid computing over the internet to where the internet was in 1994, which was soon after the development of the software for the use of URL's, HTML, and HTTP. Predictions are made in the article that in the near future the massive power of grid computing will be available to anyone with an internet connection, not just to big companies that can afford to hire HP and Sun to run a grid project for them."

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  1. Grid2003 by grennis · · Score: 5, Informative
    Why settle for just reading articles when you can attend the Grid2003 workshop in Phoenix this November?

    Its the 4th one, and getting better every year.

  2. Registration Free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article from NYTimes requires (free) registration.

    Here is the registration free URL

    Please use news.google.com for finding article links.

  3. Distributed Google by quinkin · · Score: 3, Informative
    It appears that google is placing themselves firmly in the future of distributed computing (as previously mentioned onslashdot).

    Can anyone see another player apart from Microsoft having the market penetration required to make themselves the defacto distributed computing platform??

    Go Google I say - let microsoft get someone else to beta test their software.

    Q.

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  4. Re:Does the average user care? by Homology · · Score: 2, Informative
    "Grid Computing" is directed at large-scale, secure resource sharing. An ordinary surfer will have little interest in this.

    As for security, authentication and authorization are challenging, and you may be pretty sure that Joe Schmoe will not have access to these resources.

    The following article gives a nice overview :

    http://www.aip.org/pt/vol-55/iss-2/p42.html

  5. PS3 spreads grid to the masses by yelohbird · · Score: 3, Informative

    With the upcoming PS3 carrying out grid computing, there's no stopping for this technology reaching out to the masses, even those who don't know it!

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  6. personally by asv108 · · Score: 3, Informative

    I prefer the term distributed computing, why did distributed computing turn in to grid computing?

    1. Re:personally by groover+mctasty · · Score: 5, Informative
      I have spent some time reading "The Grid: Blueprint for a New Computing Infrastructure" by Ian Foster and Carl Kesselman, as well as the OGSA/OGSA standards being worked on by the Global Grid Frome . This is how I make the distinction.

      Distributed computing is a collection of ideas and practices of which Grid computing is a subset. Distributed computing involves any type of computational resource sharing over a range of couplings. Grid computing, basically, is the idea of taking the solutions distributed computing has come up with so far and making implementing them over widely distributed networks in a standard framework that will make sharing easy, flexible, and powerful. At the same time, faster computers, more available storage and higher bandwidth networks are pushing the development of new distributed technologies for applications suited to a standardized, available computational grid. These applications include physics simulations, tele-immersion (sort of a networked virtual reality), climate modeling, drug discovery, etc. Yeah these are all research applications. Just like the original Internet, the research community is a natural first audience. It will be interesting to see how companies and, eventually, consumers take advantage of the Grid in the future.

    2. Re:personally by Brane · · Score: 2, Informative
      The GRID is a project that started at CERN (The guys who invented the WWW) to analyse data from the Large Hadron Collider experiment(s).

      It's actually one specific implementation of distributed computing, but apparently the name "Grid" caught on to the public and press, and so the term has become a general name for distributed computing projects.

      At least, that's how I believe the story went...

  7. Re:Seti@Home by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oh, my god...least insightful post, ever. Do you have any idea what grid computing applications are? I've actually met Ian Foster, as I did some work on Globus for a semester. They're talking about moving around petabytes of data for analysis and storage. You have no idea the complexity of these issues. For instance, there's a program called the Digital Sky Survey...i'm not going to bother looking for links because right now I'm using my trolling account and I don't feel like logging in as my "serious" persona and I don't care about karma. Anyway, massive telescopes around the world pan every miliarcsecond of the sky, record their images, and then put them in the survey for view by researchers all over the world. Each image of each fraction of an arcsecond of the sky takes up megabytes. Combined, the map of the sky is petabytes in size. That's 10^15, bucko. You try just storing that data, let alone analyzing it, searching it, and recalling it, using fucking seti@home style tech.

    There were several other applications under development...I remember a paricle collider of some kind that produced some obscene amount of data for each event. Something like a terabyte milisecond or something, and it was almost impossible just to gather the data...again, let alone store, analyze, and recall.

    Seti@home? I scoff. I hope you choke on your ignorance.

  8. Re:Read between the hype.. by Aliencow · · Score: 2, Informative

    0.1 is 10% ? Load average is NOT cpu usage.. Hell you could bring it to "300%" if you compiled a few things at the same time..

  9. Re:STOP THE PRESSES!!! by Vengeance_au · · Score: 2, Informative
    1960's timesharing has been reinvented!!!!
    Woohoo!!!

    Oh wait. *yawn*

    They renamed it GRID computing and you all fell for it, *points and laughs* hahahahahahhahahahaha
    Duncan3, if you are still laughing and pointing, go stand in front of a mirror. One word for you : WRONG!

    Timesharing is multiple people/jobs connecting to one mainframe or computer and "sharing" the useage of that single computer. Grid computing (aka distributed computing) is sharing one job over multiple computers. Totally different concept, completely different target audience.

    now how did it go again? Ah, thats right....

    *points and laughs* hahahahahahahahahahahaha

    (I have mod points, but there is no -1 WRONG.... so I decided to take the piss instead :D)
  10. considerations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    IBM, as well as other companies and organizations, is working on the Globus project and there are different scenarios out there. One of which is online gaming (butterfly.net). There are others, but right now, it's mainly scientific based. For the people who know, the Globus toolkit just reached version 3. This is important to know because this version is OGSA/OGSI (in draft) compliant which is an open standard describing the communication between the grid nodes (WSDL, WSDD, XML, etc). The grid is different from clusters and the grid is different from p2p computing. One view on the grid is use of remote resources. For instance, you can use en electron microscope remotely. Perhaps even with the DaVinci surgical machine, it would be possible to perform (minor) surgery remotely. The advantages of this are obvious. A specialist can help more people since it cuts on travel time. In my view, the grid cannot be applied to a certain solution meaning the grid isn't supposed to be for a certain problem, but rather, a new avenue to do things. With this in mind, the grid will grow according to how we think of using it. The Internet is an example of this type of growth. Furthermore, the grid is probably geared towards businesses and other backend operations. Later, perhaps, it'll become more of on online service directory in which you can find resources to do you work; printing facility, specialized resource use (super/quantum computers), and other things. Again, the grid will grow will become what we need it to be (even if we cannot predict it).

    All aside, it's exciting technology, not to mention that the Globus toolkit was named on the of the top 10 techs that will change the world.

    For those interested in security, the Globus toolkit involves an asynchronous certificate signing method initially and then move onto a synchronous method for better performance. The Globus books and papres call this a PKI scneario. (I'm not a security guy)

    Also Globus is not the only grid tech out there. Seti at home is one (and their derivatives). There are also distributed storage methods in which you can send data onto the grid and it'll be there (somewhere safely tucked away).

    fun stuff!

  11. considerations 2 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Also, Globus is open source and the services are written in Java. I just love this stuff.

  12. Re:"Grid computing" - stupid idea by adz · · Score: 2, Informative
    Look who's pushing the idea - companies in desperate need of a new revenue model.

    No; it's mainly universities and researchers.

    If you wanted to do this right now, you could cut a deal with a mid-range ISP.

    A single company may not have all the resources you need. You may wish to harness a beowulf cluster from company A, terabytes of storage from company B and use data from a telescope owned by company C.
    Also demand may be transient, you might need hundreds of GFlops one minute, then nothing for hours. It's a waste to have your own system that does nothing most of the time.

    Remember "push technology"? "Micropayments"? "Grid computing" will go the same way.

    I seriously doubt that. I would guess there's far more money, research and working examples of Grid computing.
    Don't flippantly write off something you clearly know little about.

  13. Re:"Grid computing" - stupid idea by MacKtheHacK · · Score: 2, Informative
    If you wanted to do this right now, you could cut a deal with a mid-range ISP. Buy an account on every server for use only during off-peak periods, run standard clustering software, and crunch all night. Run on a server farm with large numbers of identical machines interconnected with massive bandwidth. A true Beowulf cluster application.

    No, you can't. Just try finding an ISP that would risk disrupting their systems to let you do that. The promise of the Grid is that it creates a standardized method of sharing computing resources, with a rich security model, so that ISPs could deploy grid software on their systems and know that grid applications are well-behaved. In the Globus Toolkit framework, for example, all grid applications run within an application server container, such as Tomcat, which means they're in a Java sandbox and can't muck with things they're not supposed to.