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Cable Boxes With DVD, MP3, Networking

Bruha writes "It appears that Charter Communications cable division is in the first phase of rolling out a new home media center-style cable box. The article on CNN describes the box with a 80 Gig hard drive, dual tuners (With HDTV), DVD, and WiFi networking capability to allow music to be transferred to the unit along with pictures from your PC. Copyright protection prevents recordings from being copied to the PC, and Charter has ordered 100,000 of these boxes." We covered a preliminary announcement of this box, which uses the Linux-based Moxi software, last year.

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  1. How long? by trout_fish · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long will it be before the copy protection is broken and TV programs can be copied off? Two, maybe three days?

    1. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
      How long will it be before the copy protection is broken and TV programs can be copied off? Two, maybe three days?

      What I want to know is why do the devices have copy protection at all? You're just recording stuff off of the cable channels which presumably you've paid for. People record shows to VHS tapes all the time and even *gasp* share them among friends who may have missed an episode here or there. Why is the fact that it records to a hard drive any different? If these companies had any marketing brains they'd put DVD burners in them to let you save shows to DVD or SVCD format to trade with your friends or to archive for your collection.

      What are these companies worried about anyway? Is it that you won't feel a need to buy their 10 disc boxed set of the Sopranos season 1 for some ungodly overpriced amount? If anything people that make these television programs should be jumping with joy that people want to preserve their legacy in their private collections forever!! Inevitably the show gets cancelled and depending on whether it was good enough may or may not go into rerun syndication.

      Unfortunately we see how that works and have 20 episodes of Friends on a week, but trying to find any of the GOOD programs in syndication anymore is impossible. I'm a citizen and not a consumer. Don't treat me like a piece of shit because I'm just a statistic to you. I spent $1200 building a MythTV box thinking I could sift through the cruft of television to find something good to watch thinking that maybe all the good stuff is hiding at 3am on TNT or USA. Well, it's not. I'm really thinking of just abandoning the project and using it for a Windows gaming box or generic HTPC running Windows XP for playing DVDs, DivX, and games. Television is a lost cause.

      * Posted AC since I'm sick of being moderated as offtopic or flamebait for voicing my god damn opinion.

  2. Finally a balance by Trigun · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Imagine that, giving us what we've been asking for, with only enough restrictions to make it unobtrusive to the user while still protecting the content providers rights.

    Seems like sanity wins out in the end.

    1. Re:Finally a balance by shatfield · · Score: 5, Insightful

      But here's the kicker -- these people are competing for TiVo's current and future market share. They know that if they block people from being able to zip through commercials on previously recorded shows, that people will skip this product and go with a TiVo, which doesn't have such a restriction. They are also offering (in my area) this upgraded cable box with PVR for only $7 a month.

      But what happens when these "good enough" devices put TiVo out of business? The good money is on them suddenly announcing that you will no longer be able to speed through commercials. You will only be able to store your shows for x number of days before they will be forcibly erased, you will only be able to watch your recordings from x time to y time, and oh yeah, the $7 a month fee just went up to $14 a month, sorry for any inconvenience. Once their is no competition, the restrictions will be unleashed and we won't have an alternative.

      I say to hell with these upgraded cable boxes, go with TiVo (or build your own) and don't trust the Cable companies to do the right thing. Most of them are owned by big media companies anyways (It's called "Time Warner Cable" for a reason), so you know that they are just itching to control your viewing habits even more than they already do.

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  3. Is it available direct? by Sherloqq · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I could buy this directly and it were cheap and it worked with any cable provider, I'd be much more interested in it than in building my own... *even* if I can't copy the taped programming off of it. Why invent and make your own wheel if someone's not only done it already, but also done it potentially cheaper and better.

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  4. Re:Forward live broacasts!? by maharg · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. start watching live broadcast
    2. pause live broadcast
    3. resume watching broadcast
    4. fast forward to catch up with live

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  5. Yes, yes, yes by heironymouscoward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have seen the future and it is this: set-top boxes that record everything coming in and send it back out onto a global P2P network that turns the RIAA/MPAA's hair a delicate shade of pure white.
    "Select 'Share All' to share your TV programmes..."
    Now, imagine this had the backing of a national government, TV companies, movie distributors, cable distributors and banks, and was tied into a simple payment system. Hold your breath, count to five, and you have instant pay-as-you-go TV and video and music on demand.
    Prediction: this will not happen legally.
    Shame for the media industry, it could make them so... much.... money.

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  6. Bah. by Paddyish · · Score: 2, Insightful
    It's crippled. I'd just build my own - and have full functionality.

    What a waste.

  7. Re:Hack? how hard could that be? by Goth+Biker+Babe · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remembering, of course, to include your de-macrovision-iser, in between the two. If it's HDTV it will output encrypted on the DVI and so it wont be as simple as that anyway.

  8. Copyright NOT by ajs318 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Copyright protection prevents recordings from being copied to the PC
    No it doesn't. The thing has an analogue out. Possibly even RGB if it has a SCART conector. Nothing is ever going to stop you copying from that, without also stopping you watching it on a TV set.

    Also, the files on the HDD must be readable, and the software to read them must be in the machine. {Think Spectrum fast cassette loaders. Not just fast, but copy-proof because it makes the whole process that bit more sensitive to fidelity - so an analogue copy is less likely to be successful. The first programme on the tape - often written in BASIC so you can just use LOAD "" - has to use the ROM-resident loading routines to load itself. It then implements the fast loader. All you need to do is to get this first programme to load but not run itself - the usual method was by making a fake header - and then modify the fast loader to read all the rest of the programme without executing it}. Now, 20 years on, the same principles apply. The computer has to be able to read the data from the disk in order to display it on the telly. Whatever can be read, can be copied. Light travels in straight lines. Energy is never created nor destroyed. Pressure in a fluid acts equally in all directions.

    Why can't they just write something on the disk that the program [sic] can read, but the pirates can't? - reader's letter in an old Amiga magazine, offering the holy grail of copy protection.
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  9. This should be fun.... by haplo21112 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    On Charter's bandwidth poor network...

    While I applaud my cable company for this change, I have many cautions in mind when thinking about...the Charter network is already bandwidth poor...now we are going to be encouraging downloads of Music and such....Ouch!

    They recently(March), dropped everyones upload speeds on the network to 128, where as many customers (me) used to get 512 or higher...this is not a good sign for a company planning to add aditional digital services....

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    1. Re:This should be fun.... by bfischer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Just because they are reducing upload speeds does not mean they are maxed out. They are just trying to make better use existing bandwidth and cut down on people using excessive bandwidth running servers from their personal accounts. If you want more outgoing bandwidth, buy a business account. For the average user, 128k is plenty of upload speed.

  10. Re:Hack? how hard could that be? by GigsVT · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Macrovision will not affect your ability to capture video on your computer clearly.

    It will if your capture card has AGC that is freaked out by macrovision.

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  11. Re:FreeVo by Sherloqq · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Install FreeVo on a PC with a capture card and video out and you have the same thing without the copy protection.

    Yes. But by the time I spent additional money on a quiet, fanless mobo/CPU and a sleek, esthetically-pleasing enclosure, would it still be cheaper?

    Actually, I don't know, cause nobody seems to know how much these puppies run.

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  12. Re:Hack? how hard could that be? by Eminor · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point is it can be done quite easily. Not everyone has a computer. Not everyone has a video capture card. Still fewer have cards that get "freaked out" by macrovision because of automatic gain control. But the people who are into this sort of thing will have cards that can capture the content. Therefore, it is not copy proof.

  13. Infinite Tuners by crimefighter · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I'd just like one of these things with infinite (ok, maybe not infinite, but at least 4 or 5) tuners. I want to be able to record multiple shows at once, like when there is something that I want to watch on Fox, The WB and The History Channel all at the same time.

    Don't all of those channels just get streamed to the cable box all at the same time as a series of 1s and 0s? It seems like it would be possible to make a machine that recorded all of those streams at the same time.