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Mozilla 1.5 Alpha Available
An anonymous reader writes "Mozilla.org released Mozilla v1.5 alpha today, with flavors available for Linux,
Mac OS X, and Windows. Some of the new features include Composer enhancements, Chatzilla logging, multiple tab window closing confirmation, and quicksearch support in about:config. A more detailed rough changelog is also available. In a somewhat related note, Mozilla 1.4 has been downloaded over a half million times in the past 3 weeks (not counting mirrors)."
Those guys actually list about 500 issues they've taken care of with this release. Go people go! .zip file "as...," Moz appends a .x after the .zip extension
some useful ones imho
*Mozilla crashes when magnifier is used
*Browser crashes when javascript closes a window [@nsDocShell::InternalLoad]
*Save As > withoua> extention result is a html fila> and a directory > *When saving a
*mozilla can't subscribe to existing imap folders
*Browser crashes on HTTPS urls - Trunk M140RC1 [@cert_get_next_general_name
*Loading personal certificates
*pop3 password failed error msg missing
Mike Pinkerton as well as others continue to work on Camino. It is by no means dead, but nightlies are highly variable in quality.
That said, the bug button in Safari still exists (it is disabled by default in 1.0) so report those bugs so it can get even better! This will help KHTML advance more quickly as well!
Read the updated roadmap, they're not going to make it for 1.5 it seems. Considering that Mozilla recently gained its independance, and a good portion of fulltime gecko developers have been let go, I think they're due for a milestone or two of of getting their bearings and realigning around the *birds.
.... give them a month or two to straighten things out, it'll be worth it.
Besides, IE7 comes with longhorn, Mozilla has plenty of time, and is already in the lead, Firebird and Thunderbird are already proving to be ready for prime time
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to keep crappy web pages from disabling my menus.
Great! But Mozilla isn't complete until you've got MOUSE GESTURES. Honestly, I've found that mouse gestures coupled with tabbed browsing is such a more pleasant experience than anything that Microsoft is peddling. It seems that the best innovation is still coming from elsewhere and Microsoft is playing catch-up. Didn't I hear about IE having tabbed browsing in the next release?
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I was thinking the same thing. Apparently that was the plan but they have been forced to change things (perhaps due to the Netscape break).
Buried deep in the To Do list on the official Roadmap page is one small but significant change. This is the passage that has been added. (There are probably other changes today as well but that is the one I noticed and pertains to this question).
It's clear now that we will not be able to switch to Mozilla Firebird by the Mozilla 1.5 final milestone. Instead, we expect Mozilla 1.5 to coincide with Mozilla Firebird 0.7. But we intend to implement the new application architecture in the next several milestones, till most of the community is won over to the new apps.
Hmmm... At the bottom of the page, the Roadmap states that it was last changed July 22, 2003 - so it appears that they were forced to make the change and only sort of let it be known. Wonder what is going on?
Well, until then, I will keep using Firebird. But for those migrating - another positive is that 1.5alpha is 1.4 Mbs smaller.
Funny.
It hasn't been five minutes since I posted this comment and I've already figured out what the problem is.
In order to set up the language support, you must go to View -> Character Coding -> Customize..., and add the language support you want for browser rendering. This is *not* at all what the popup message indicates, and seems like something that needs to be present in Preferences as well, and more clearly labelled. If a person is likely to be using a web browser in more than one language, then they'll probably want to configure all the language options all at once, so there's no sense in putting them in two separate places in the application.
So, kudos to Moz for a lightweight multi-language browser, but demerits for making it counter-intuitive to configure.
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There have been patches out for the confirm-on-close bug for a while, but they were difficult to apply - especially under windows if you don't have a real "patch" tool available. Here are the various files for 1.4 with the patch applied.
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This was addressed in a few Slashdot articles awhile ago. Check out the Mozilla Roadmap. They explain how things will be modularized. This means Firebird will be used instead.
A bit of explaination: the "timebomb" preference is a relic from the Netscape days. It provides a countdown until some final date, which when reached, the application will provide an expiration notice popup and request that the application stop working.
Works fine for me, and I use PNG all the time. And, IE doesn't support full transparency, DirectX does, and that's why you need a kludgy hack.
The opera 7 mail client is tabbed - it rox0rs, IMHO.
Unfortunately it may take a bit longer than that. It'll take a year to get something shippable to end users (brendan)
This is disappointing to me as I use Firebird regularly and am really impressed, but I guess they (the developers) know what they are talking about.
It's not really supported or production worthy, but try typing "chrome://messenger/contents/messenger.xul" and "chrome://chatzilla/contents/chatzilla.xul" into your URLbar.
It's clearly not totally debugged, and weird stuff can happen (who knows), but it seems to sort of work for me.
You can already do such thing :)
o pen another tab, type:
:)
open a tab, type:
chrome://chatzilla/content/chatzilla.xul
chrome://navigator/content/navigator.xul
and so on...
"I guess we'll have to wait until 1.6."
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You'll be waiting a lot long than that...
*Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1*
- Need to start selling it as a technology preview
- It'll take a year to get something shippable to end users (brendan)
- Depends on hyatt's and ben's time
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In gnome, you can right click on the taskbar and add-to-panel internet in-box monitor as many as you want and set them up for your pop boxes.
this way you don't even need moz loaded to know if you have mail and how many messages and in what mailbox.
ps: i use Thunderbird nightly
Looks like there's an improved bookmark system coming soon, as well as work on a improved download manager.
:) I believe mozilla.org is going to be gifted with the machine -but until it gets moved & set back up, there probably won't be any nightly builds.
So yes, it looks like Camino has a future.
Unfortunately, the guy that was doing the nightly builds was let go by AOL - and he turned the machine off when he left
I use Mozilla, but damn is it slow for even the most mundane of pages. If you want to load a plugin, forget it. I'm running a 1.3GHz Athelon with 512MB of RAM and it gets bad.
Eh? I'm typing this on a system with an 800 MHz Duron, and Mozilla doesn't seem slow to me.
As IT industry grows up a lot of people keep on using old junk because they won't spend money on new hardware until what they have still works. I hear it often than this or that program is slow or uses way too much memory. Geeks probably understand that getting new hardware is a normal process of IT progress, but explain it to average people, not all of them will agree.
Mozilla is a very good program, I use it on my WS with 900Mb of ram (average process size is 90Mb), but at the moment I am typing this message in Opera 7.11 that runs in 64Mb (ok I know, on this outdated hardware most people would usee win98, but I have linux of course) and it is probably the only full featured (links and dillo aren't ones) browser I could use on this computer.
Also tabbed browsing sometimes isn't easily accepted by some people used to working in windows. Having two task-tab-bars instead of one, that's hard to understand someties. Popup blocking requires you understanding what in the world a JavaScript is too.
That quote from staff minutes was out of context. I was citing the agreement I'd reached with all-volunteer Mozilla Firebird developers before the Mozilla Foundation was announced, where 0.7 would coincide with 1.5, 0.8 with 1.6, etc. I went on to say to staff, at that meeting, that if we get more time from the developers, the schedule could be shortened.
Now, we hope to hire a Firebird developer fulltime at the Mozilla Foundation, and we expect to go faster. No promises yet; the roadmap will be updated in due course.
I use Windows and I love Firebird. As you say, the tabs & pop-up blocking are great. But, I am sad to say, I would like to have an optional add-on to allow for the broken javascript parsing of IE, since I often run across sites developed only for IE which don't work or don't behave as expected in Firebird. Something with a toggle would be nice, so I could just turn it on once I hit a bad page (and thus save me from having to open IE and copy the URL over). Maybe something like this exists already (prolly not)?
No problems here with plugins so far & most web pages load faster in Mozilla and Firebird than in IE... sounds like you're running an old build or have something else wrong w/ your machine. maybe an old version of Java??? *shrugs*
Best of luck fixing your problem... I've never seen a machine where Mozilla ran slower than IE.
Now, if only they could fix the issue with multi-language support in Moz 1.4 Win32
In windows 2000, go to Control Panel, Regional Options, General. Check any of the languages you need in language settings.
It will copy the necessary files from your windows 2000 cd... i'm guessing it will be much the same in XP.
Interestingly enough, Netscape/4.7 came up with about 3.2% (3/4 of which were from on-campus).
fortunatly we're approaching 1-year of being xhtml & css devotees and its suprisingly easy to be xhtml1-strict compliant and use tableless or low-table layouts that work in 96+% of our 'human' traffic (which btw IE 6.0 is more than 65% of).
Anyway, sorry for the stats ramble, I just though it was really cool to have access to real numbers today, not just rumors and zealous flamewars.
(Note, because Bugzilla blocks Slashdot referrers, you might have to copy the URL into the URL bar rather than click directly on it.)
As for faster -- I just restarted Mozilla 1.4 after having left it open for a week or two. It's about 3x the speed. How much of the speed improvement that you're noticing comes from restarting the browser?
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I've been seeing a lot of firebird checkins lately (past 3 weeks or so).
The shareholder is always right.
... exist in Opera:
also:
if you tried it and bailed, try again. it really is worth another look.
++ of course, I have no affiliation with Opera Software aside from owning a registered copy ($39) of their phenomenal browser.
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this is one of the best things about galeon, in my opinion. The tab implementation is much better than mozilla's. Also, each tab has its own "x" close button so you don't accidentally think of closing the whole window instead of the tab.
I think tabextensions does that..
(well, I think that's the one. I just tried dragging a tab in moz1.4, and it works without a glitch.)
No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness.
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Get the TabBrowser extension. It allows dragging and more. It is listed under Extensions at
texturizer.net/firebird
Visit the author's webpage to install the extension if you are using Mozilla browser, the Install Click Here link is only for Firebird. I am so hooked to this extension and wondering why the author does not list the extension at mozdev.
About
;-) I recommend you take a look at http://cascades.mozdev.org/ or build yourself the editor in mozilla/extensions/editor/cascades.
: yes, I can agree with that. We currently use a lot of
because Gecko forces us to do so. If there is no content, there is no frame (basically, that's how we call the abstract boxes rendered on the canvas); and if there is no frame, we can't place a caret... Given how much the layout team was axed last week, I don't think we'll have a fix for this very big issue any time soon. I am myself working on another approach, ie make Composer get rid of any useless
as soon as possible. You have to understand that's not a simple task _at all_. I currently have a fix in my own tree, but it's not fully satisfactory yet.
About definition lists: I agree too and I am working on it.
About nested lists, bug 54479: that's a major issue, and solving it is a HUGE work. I have a partial fix for this that helps **creating** valid nested lists but does not handle copy/paste yet.
About editing stylesheets, you were probably on another planet during the last year and a half
Daniel Glazman, Mozilla Composer module owner and author of CaScadeS.
How about actually looking it up? Tinderbox keeps such statistics...
m et &testname=codesize_embed&autoscale=1&size=&units=b ytes<ype=&points=&showpoint=2003%3A07%3A23%3A01% 3A32%3A23%2C13244550&avg=0&days=100
http://tegu.mozilla.org/graph/query.cgi?tbox=co
shows the codesize of the core engine graphed over the last 100 days (on Linux; Mac and Windows numbers are a little different but show the same overall trend).
The tabbed browsing extensions allows this and much, much more. It's my most important extension. Link.
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Lots of tips & tricks for mozilla at MozillaTips logically enough.
They've got some good stuff already, but could probably use the extra traffic !
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Beware - if JavaScript is enabled in the browser, it will be enabled in the chromed-in email tab!
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Use fetchmail to download your mail to local mailspool. Then you can set the taskbar applet to check your mailspool every 5 seconds.
Mozilla 1.4 and Firebird 0.6 were unbearably unstable on my system, but the nightlies work like a dream.
Just a couple of annoyances (which I've voted for in Bugzilla):
Unfortunately Thunderbird still doesn't have its own category in Bugzilla.
the ability to drag a tab outside of the window to make it the first tab of a new window would also be fantastic
Yeah, everybody wants it but Adobe has a patent on it. Or is there uncited prior art?
My God, it's Full of Source!
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Colouring the source is easy. Keeping the colours correct while the source is edited is MUCHO harder. This is one of the things I plan to work on in a close future. Daniel, Composer module owner
we do need a browser that doesn't suck.
As was said at the time that the MacOS 9 build got deprecated, OS 9 builds will happen when and if someone steps up and offers to maintain the OS 9 port. As yet, no-one has done so.
I think someone did an unofficial build of 1.4, but I don't know where you might get it from.
Gerv
It's important to note that, while the code still remembers the first launch time, there is no end-time configured - so the bomb will never go off.
As the man says, it's a code relic.
Gerv