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How to Tell if the RIAA Wants You

codewolf writes "Wired News has an article on how file sharers can check a new online database to see if they are wanted by the recording industry. The Electronic Frontier Foundation has created a site where users can plug in their file-sharing user names. That name is checked against the list of those subpoenas filed in the Washington, D.C. district court. The EFF also has an article on how to avoid a lawsuit from the RIAA."

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  1. How safe are those not in US by Insipid+Trunculance · · Score: 4, Interesting

    How is the scene for people outside US.People in President blair's Britain,France,Germany?China,India,Japan,Israel?Ir aq?

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    1. Re:How safe are those not in US by CreatorOfSmallTruths · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I wondered the same thing...

      Currently it seems that the RIAA goes after US people only, the DMCA does not apply in europe and the middle east (anyway, it didn't till not long ago)...

      But , seeing the history of cooperation between the US and european countries the RIAA might very well get their hands on users from other countries...

      In short, I would love to hear from anyone the "countries outside of the US are not involved in this"... but I fear no one will be up for the challenge...

    2. Re:How safe are those not in US by sploreg · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Depends on your counry's copyright laws and international treaties. If the RIAA has established itself as a business in your country, and your country has copyright laws (it will), then the RIAA can go after you very easily. Some treaties will allow them to come after you through borders and without much trouble, so you have to be careful no matter where you live. Very few countries don't have treaties, less than what you can count on your hands, so assume that you can get busted.

  2. Database not reliable... by 403Forbidden · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Out of the two names i tried, bluemonkey13 and our famous munkeyspanker21, only bluemonkey worked...

    Don't rely on this too much.

  3. What about IRC? by MoThugz · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's easier to grab people's IP address there. Unless of course u happen to use networks that hides your hostname (for DOS attack precautionary measures).

    Has the RIAA started it's "crackdown" on IRC networks?

    1. Re:What about IRC? by Restil · · Score: 3, Interesting

      IRC, usenet, thousands of scattered ftp servers on funny ports. They all serve the same purpose as Kazza with one distinct difference. They require half a brain and some patience to use them. And yes, while I understand the disturbing concept of assuming that most people on IRC have a brain, which scenario would you prefer if you didn't know any better:

      A: enter song name in search field, click search, click on the first name that shows up. launch file when done.

      or

      B: connect to IRC. Server full, connect to another IRC server. Wait. Join a channel. Spend two minutes closing all the popup spam windows. Sift through lists of fserve postings. Copy/paste the trigger. If necessary, sift through the fserve looking for the file you wanted. Discover that the user actually expects you to upload something first. Upload something. Get kicked off because that user doesn't want what you're uploading. Find someone else offering the same file. Makes you go to a bunch of porn sites to assemble a password for his ftp server. Connect to said ftp server. Watch while it recycles because it's already maxed out. Finally connect. Oh look, you have to upload something here too.........

      Half the people using Kazza probably don't even realize that they're sharing files. That's both the beauty and the curse of that system. People contribute what they've downloaded back to the world, even if they're not aware of it. It's also the reason that fakes, broken files, sabotaged files live on forever because people don't delete them, and they get served back out for others to propogate. But the ease of use by the users also makes it easy to target by the RIAA. Lots of clueless, easy to target people, all in one place.

      -Restil

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  4. Another point by Lysol · · Score: 4, Interesting

    For users of Kazaa-Lite, where every user is called kazaa-lite-tk (or something like that), this won't help much. While 99% of lite users will be ok, there will be that 1 person who's gonna get nabbed.

  5. Re:Curious point on what /. readers consider right by BiggerIsBetter · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Personally, I don't give a rats about downloading music for free, but I am PISSED that the RIAA has been given the right to harrass private citizens at will. I hope they (inadvertantly) supoena the asshats that gave them this power.

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  6. Small world by Pac · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The last "A" is RIAA stands for America. While the Americans are still the majority of the Internet users, it is changing quickly as more and more contries get their telecom act together.

    RIAA can't subpoena Chinese, French or Russian users. And it is not even very clear if RIAA's sister organisations in their respective countries can, because laws are different over there (remember Sklyarov and how PDF encryption breaking is legal in Russia?).

    So, I guess Americans can safely disable their shares and let the world feed the networks for a while. When RIAA comes to town in Australia, for instance, we do it the other way around.

    1. Re:Small world by Zemran · · Score: 4, Interesting

      There are a lot of us that are happy to stay in the free world. I have spent enough time in the US and although there is a lot I like, if they want to export their crazy legal system then I have no need to go there again.

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    2. Re:Small world by DeepRedux · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The law does give a copyright holder the ability to get a court order forcing ISPs in the US to block access to foreign sites violating a US copyright.

      I think that there are only a handful of Tier-1 providers (UUNet, etc.) that actually provide connectivity between the US and Europe or Asia, and other ISPs buy connectivity from them. What if the RIAA were to find a few hundred P2P servers in Europe and Asia and order UUNet, etc., to block access to them? It may wreck connectivity and UUNet may fight it, but the law seems pretty clear and UUNet would most likely lose.

      The part of the DMCA authorizing this: Title 17 section 512 (j)(1)(B)(ii)

      An order restraining the service provider from providing access, by taking reasonable steps specified in the order to block access, to a specific, identified, online location outside the United States.
      The "specific, identified, online location" could be just an IP address at which the RIAA has found a P2P server running.
    3. Re:Small world by Dark+Lord+Seth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Funny, I remember hearing on the duthc news about US law enforcements agencies being allowed to arrest dutch citizens on dutch soil and prosecute them in the US. Or US agencies enforcing extreme cargo checking in the port of Rotterdam (which is one of the biggest ports in the world, if not THE biggest) and the fact dutch airline agencies have to report ALL US bound passengers and their data to US agencies. All this under the "protection against terrorism" while the dutch goverment bends over and dutyfully takes it up the arse under the motto of "But our economy needs a trade impulse.".

      Jesus, I'm going to need a weapon to defend myself against my own goddamn goverment. So this is how it feels to live in a US controlled puppet-state. Remember people, all this happened in a nice "hush hush" way, so I wouldn't be TOO surprised if the same applies in several countries where the officials seem to be Bush's puppets, Like the United Kingdom, Spain and maybe Australia. In fact, I think our prime ministers wished he was with Bush, Blair and Aznar on the pro-economic war on Iraq, except the whole ensemble would look silly with a trigger-happy cowboy, someone who appears to come straight from a Monty Python sketch, Don Quixote and Harry Potter. That and the dutch armed forces have a history of helping serbian nationalists with genocide. (Remember Srebrenica? We do, hence why the goverment doesn't DARE to put dutch armed forces into a combat situation.)

  7. Define Piracy by bubbazanetti · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Theft is wrong...it hurts everyone eventually.

    BUT

    I have a record album of Police Syncronisity (I know I spelt it wrong) and ACDC For those about to Rock. Both of those have unplayable first tracks on both sides...do to poor pressing/materials...they are warped.

    I don't have a LP player in my car...infact I only have one in the house for the purpose of putting songs to CD.

    So Riddle me this Batman...How am I supposed to get a copy of those 4 tracks that are unplayable on the albums?

    Am I a pirate if I download those 4 songs to replace the ones I cannot play?...is the uploader a pirate for allowing me to get those 4 songs that I already paid for but cannot use?

    I think the RIAA wants me to buy a few more albums/CDs/cassettes of the same recording so that I won't be a pirate...

    OOOh but what if I get the clearance cutouts recordings at the discount store...or CDs at the pawn shop that are cheap because they don't pay any royalties...hmmm...am I a pirate then?

  8. Re:Important point by joel8x · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Instead of just disabling the the sharing feature, why not populate it with free music/media/software? Wouldn't it be better for file sharing if they found a lot of people using it the way it was intended to be used?

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  9. Make a Honeypot for the RIAA.... by jjh37997 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Want to make some money, here's all you have to do:

    Step 1: Buy a computer
    Step 2: Use the P2P program of your choice
    Step 3: Take a bunch of files that *YOU* have the copyright for or that are in the public domain and share them to the world.
    Step 4: Make sure a few files are named something like b-spears.mp3, metallica,mp3 or harlanellison.doc.
    Step 5: Document everything!
    Step 6: Wait to get sued.
    Step 7: Legal stuff
    Step 8: Profit!

  10. Re:Sturgeon's law by Alan+Cox · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Almost all the music I listen to is from non mainstream labels - thats mostly because thats where all the good music is nowdays. Its a lot harder to find but its out there and many of these bands are not just local outfits but just not publicised by the music cartel.

    Show of Hands for example won't be found on any RIAA list but they play the Albert Hall in the UK each year, which is not a small or cheap venue. This year they are playing the Eden Project with a load of other bands.

    Some of the sounds and styles also just don't exist in the RIAAdom, hop over to www.machinaesupremacy.com and find out what happens when rock and computer game music collide.

    Certainly in the UK nowdays if you want to hear decent music, turn off the radio, turn off MTV and go down the pub. or go to some music festivals that have non "mainstream" bands. Much of the music is very good and for the stuff that isnt tbe beer at festivals is almost always excellent.

  11. A Modest Proposal: The Music Worm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The RIAA's fight against music sharing is becoming increasingly desperate, their current tactics are to seek legislation that elevates music sharing from a civil to a criminal offense (thereby obtaining a taxpayer subsidy for the pursuit of users), while attempting to prosecute individual users (or their parents, if they are underage). Basically, these tactics are based upon the "war against drugs," which has had moderate success. But in the case of music sharing, the RIAA's tactics are doomed to failure. Why? Because there will ultimately be a "killer application"--the music worm.

    How will the music worm work?

    It will be distributed as an email worm. The user installs it by clicking on an attachment that arrives in an email spam. A large number people will do this knowingly, but many will be innocent "victims". Knowing users will thus have "plausible deniability".

    Once installed, it will do the following:

    1) Email itself to everybody in the user's address book, just like any other worm.

    2) Install a hidden peer-to-peer server.

    3) Identify every music file on the users computer.

    4) Make all of them available over the web via peer-to-peer sharing.

    5) Begin silently and automatically downloading music files to the user's computer and adding them to his music library, favoring additional titles by artists already represented in the user's library.

    6) An internal list will of the downloaded files, and the worm will monitor their usage. Any downloaded file that is not played within a certain period of time will be marked for eventual replacement, in order to prevent the music archive from growing too large (say 20% above the size of the permanent library or 80% of available disk space, whichever is smaller). Any file that is played will be deleted from this list and permanently added to the user's music library. 7) Knowing users will be able to "order" specific music via a web interface by accessing a web site (actually located on the user's computer) via a web browser. The worm will silently edit the browser's history file to erase the record of this access.

    How could such a worm be combatted?

    1. Legal assaults on users would become difficult; there will be continuous trading of music over the net. Much of it will be entirely innocent; the result of the worm running on the computers of innocent "victims." This will provide a smokescreen for the activities of knowing users. It will be extremely difficult to prove that somebody is a knowing user, since the patterns of download to any individual user will be similar to knowing use. Many unknowing victims will accidentally add some of the downloaded music to their permanent libraries, because a lot of people do not keep careful track of the contents of their music libraries.

    2. Virus scanning and firewall software could be employed, but many users do not keep their protective software up to date. Attempts to eradicate similar worms employed by spammers have not been particularly effective. And with the music worm case, many of the "victims" would actually be secret users, intentionally abetting the worm's presence on their computers.

    3. The RIAA could distribute counter-worms, which would infect computers and delete music, or gather evidence of intentional trading. However, this would require the music industry itself to engage in an ongoing illegal activity. Moreover, it would be relatively unsuccessful in targeting the technically sophisticated knowing user, who would have a strong incentive to block such worms.

  12. Sure RIAA/MPAA can sue foreign people! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
    RIAA can't subpoena Chinese, French or Russian users.

    Of course they can. With a little help from their copyright-affiliates in the said countries.

    Every western country has a RIAA/MPAA equivalent and they dance to the tune of those who represent the largest media corporations: RIAA and MPAA.

    I do not live in the US, but I received a cease and desist letter from US attorneys for breaking the DMCA by sharing deCSS code on my foreign server. Recently I have been probed and DoSed (one of my IPs is still being DoSed by malformed packets to port 1214; my ISP is investigating the matter) by sites that I strongly suspect are a part of the MPAA/RIAA campaign ("we'll sue thousands") that began in June. I fully expect to receive a cease and desist, or even a subpoena, from the local copyright fascists for sharing my files.

  13. Re:Curious point on what /. readers consider right by evilviper · · Score: 3, Interesting
    As you can see, the subpoenas were files WITH A COURT

    The big huff is that they only have to file them with a measly clerk. There is no judical oversight. If that's what you call "file[d] WITH A COURT", then I've got some great "advice FROM A MAJOR STOCK FIRM"... That advice will be from the secretary, or possibly a janitor, but that's good enough according to you...

    RIAA hasnt done anything extra legal, non legal, or unlegal.

    Nothing is illegial if it gets legalized... The DMCA and other such laws made this possible, but it should not be allowed. It's not strictly illegial, as congress passed the law, and the courts have upheld it so far, but it certainly violates many rights that Americans are accustomed to.

    they ARE USING THE LEGAL SYSTEM AS ITS MEANT TO BE USED.

    No, the founders of the USA did not mean for the legal system to be used to take away the life-savings of college students, just for sharing 3 MP3 files... Another case where congress' actions are in conflict with the constitution is copyright law, which is now being infinitely extended, even though that is explicitly disallowed. Since the congress decided that they can do that, does that make it right, or okay? Most rational people don't believe so...
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  14. An idea for those who want free music... by hiryuu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are a lot of people (I won't say a majority, the proportion is a point not worth arguing) using P2P simply because they want free music. For those people, I have a suggestion - one that's legal and significantly socially healthier than hiding indoors and playing Russian roulette with the RIAA's lawyers.

    Find your local music scene.

    Find out which clubs or bars in your town (or a nearby metro area) host live music - many do on the weekends, some do several times a week. Check the local papers for lists of such places, or activities like festivals, open-air concerts, park celebrations, etc. Ask around, check with your friends, neighbors, people at the local watering hole. Hell, take a walk through a noisy section of town sometime on a Friday night and listen to hear which places sound like they've got a band going.

    For a small cover (or free, depending) at most of these places, you can get in, hang out with friends, have a few beers, talk to members of your-preferred-gender, and listen to the artists up close and personal. You might be listening to some neo-punk band of sixteen-year-olds. You might catch a really great jazz set. You might hear some grizzled-looking blue-collar fellas playing some mighty fine blues. You might dance to some eighties cover band.

    And - here's the part for those interested in free music - a lot of these bands sell their CDs very cheap, and many give them away for free! Sometimes, musicians that aren't even performing will show up just to hand out some CDs of their stuff, to try and get some exposure.

    Expand your horizons, get out of your house, have a social experience, spend time with friends, and get free/cheap music, all for little investment - plus, you get to support homegrown talent, instead of manufactured "talent". How can you go wrong?

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  15. I'm afraid you're quite sorely mistaken by MichaelCrawford · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'd wager that most people know exactly what they're doing with Kazaa, rendering this meager info page utterly useless.

    The reason I wrote this article was that a friend quite seriously told me that the money she paid to purchase Kazaa went to compensate the musicians whose music she was downloading. She had no idea she was violating anyone's copyright. I suspect people like her are not uncommon among p2p users.

    Other slashdot users have repeatedly mentioned that their less computer literate siblings and friends who use p2p were quite unaware that any of the songs they downloaded were immediately made available for sharing. While you can usually disable this, most of the p2p apps are configured to automatically share by default, and I don't think they always make an effort to inform the user of that fact, or of its legal implications.

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