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Clock Ticking for Hubble

DoraLives writes "Ok then, what are we going to do with Hubble? Eventually, it MUST come down. The New York Times has a piece that addresses this less than pleasant (at least for the astronomical community) subject. Additionally "The decision about what happens then has been complicated by the breakup of the Columbia." Read all about it."

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  1. Taco Bell by Synithium · · Score: 5, Funny

    Of course, Taco Bell will put a big floating bullseye in the ocean and if some titanium part of hubble hits it everyone in the US wins a Taco!

    Wooo Hoooo!

  2. Link to the story that does not require registr... by CokeBear · · Score: 5, Informative
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  3. we're screwed by Nate+Fox · · Score: 5, Funny

    NASA has long planned to end Hubble's spectacular run and bring it down in 2010 to make way in the budget for the James Webb Space Telescope, scheduled to be launched in 2011.

    Theres a gap there in time where we wont have a telescope up there. this will be the end of the world, as we wont be able to see the asteroid comming at earth in time to send our best deep crust drillers to drop a nuke in it and split it up!

  4. Re:Must come down? by henley · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hubble is in Low Earth Orbit (LEO). It's got an orbital velocity of around 4KM/Sec.

    To raise the orbit far enough to get to the Moon, takes a total deltaV of 7KM/S (or another 3KM/S on it's current speed).

    The Earth orbits the sun at around 30KM/S, give or take. So to send something - anything - into the sun requires a deltaV of the same amount: you've got to cancel out the existing 30KM/Sec velocity, otherwise you're just going to send the object into a different orbit around the sun

    The fastest any object has left the earth is around 8KM/S for the interplanetary probes (Pioneer, Voyager, Cassini, Galileo etc). That's as fast as the human race has ever gotten anything going[*]. Without a major advance in rocket technology (i.e. away from chemical rockets), that's about as fast as we're going to get anything going, too.

    As a reference, the on-orbit manoever capability of the Shuttle, is a total of about 100M/S

    Oh, and Hubble has much MUCH less manoever capability than this

    This is why things are de-orbited, rather than "sent towards the sun" or further out. De-orbiting from LEO requires only a little "kiss" of deceleration before the orbit intersects the atmosphere, from where friction does the rest. The only exceptions are Satellites in higher orbits (e.g. GPS in the 12-hr / 12,000KM orbits, or Geostationary sats) which tend to be "retired" in slightly higher orbits because these are thought to be more stable over longer (geological) time periods than lower ones, and there's not enough residual manoever capability to lower the orbit enough to graze the atmosphere


    [*] = However, we've learnt the trick of gravitational assists which lets Mother Nature (or Newton, or Einstein depending on your religious orientation :-) speed up our probes considerably at the expense of the orbital energy of the planet we're assisting from.

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  5. Re:We should lease it out to some other country... by Lord+of+the+Fries · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah! We could auction it off on Ebay!

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  6. Re:Thoughts of why private is better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm certain that it would have brain-dead simple to convince GM or Ford or DuPont to spend billions of dollars to build, launch, and maintain something which produces pictures of objects in space. In fact, I seem to recall that NASA had to sue a number of such companies to keep them from launching several other pure science satellites which had no commercial value. Stockholders in those companies were outraged that the attempts of their management to dump billions of dollars into altruistic enterprises were thwarted by evil bureaucrats. Idiot. Get a clue as to what private companies do and why and how they do it.

  7. That sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    For everything Hubble has done to further astronomy (and since it was practically the only bright spot of the otherwise maligned space program), they owe it a better end than what they are proposing. To deorbit it and let it burn up with as much thought as one would give to flushing a dead goldfish is just plain wrong.

    It should definitely be retrieved and become a piece in the Air & Space Museum's collection.

  8. Why Hubble needs servicing by DanielRavenNest · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hubble is an overgrown version of a digital camera. As CCDs improve, you eventually want to replace the ones up there with better ones. This has already been done a couple of times, but electronics keeps improving.

    It also has batteries and solar cells that provide power, and these wear out and have to be replaced.

    Hubble needs to point itself at things, and it does so using heavy spinning rotors, which are
    turned one way, and by Newton's Law, Hubble
    turns the other way. There are 5 of these
    "Control Moment Gyros", or CMGs. Being mechanical devices, they wear out and break over time.

    You need 3 out of 5 to be working to point Hubble, and if they have an MTBF of 12.5 years (which is pretty good for a mechanical device), then you need to visit every 5 years and replace 2 to keep Hubble running.

    Hubble has no propulsion and you don't want any until you are ready to kill it. Fluids sloshing in tanks will mess up your pointing of the telescope, and any exhaust from a rocket will contaminate the optical surfaces. When the Shuttle visits, the thrusters are 50-75 feet away, which is much less of a problem than if your booster pack is on the back end of the telescope only 2 feet from the science instruments.

    And yes, IAARS, in fact the first group I worked at at Boeing back in 1981 supplied the graphite/epoxy frame that holds Hubble's mirrors in place.

    Daniel

  9. Re:Complicated by Columbia? by SiO2 · · Score: 5, Informative

    We just have to move on and produce a successor.

    A successor to Hubble is already in the works. See this article on Yahoo! news.

    From the article:

    But its days (and nights) have always been numbered. NASA has long planned to end Hubble's spectacular run and bring it down in 2010 to make way in the budget for the James Webb Space Telescope, scheduled to be launched in 2011.

    SiO2

  10. US Army by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 5, Funny

    Maybe it's time for the US to test some of their cool new weaponry. They must have SOMETHING neat that was designed to take out high altitude stuff. What better chance to prove it's effectiveness? I mean, the Hubble has to come down anyway, so why not give us all a show?

  11. Re:Complicated by Columbia? by PPGMD · · Score: 5, Informative
    One little problem with that Discovery was the orbiter that delivered the Hubble Space Telescope, during STS-31, in the first place.

    Discovery was also the shuttle that did the 1999 maintenance (STS-103). Endeavor did the 1993 maintenance (STS-61), and finally Columbia did the 2002 maintenance (STS-109).

    The maintenance can be preformed by any of the shuttles as long as they have the Payload Deployment and Retrieval System (the robotic arm).

    The retrieval (as it appears that they may want to do) is another story, but I believe that they can remove the upgraded airlock.

  12. Re:Complicated by Columbia? by Gumshoe · · Score: 5, Informative
    JWST will be great for its intended mission [...] it will be at a lagrange point, and therefore completely unserviceable.


    The lagrange point in question is Lagrange Point 2 (L2) of the Earth-Sun system. A notable characteristic of L2 is that it is always on the night side of Earth orbit (ie. the Earth is always in between L2 and the Sun). Clearly, this is advantageous for a telescope like the James Webb.

    As a side note, L1 is opposite to L2 and is therefore, always on the day side. As might be expected, L1 is currently occupied by The Solar and Helioscopic Observatory, or SOHO

    Further, the reason why satellites at either of these points are (currently) unservicable is simply a consequence of distance; approx. 100th of 1 AU, or, 4 times the distance of Earth to Moon.