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Microsoft's Forgotten Mistakes
seattlenerd writes "In light of all of the hype about how much cash Microsoft is sitting on, it's good to be reminded that they do fail. A lot. This piece in Seattle Weekly points out some of the many failures -- from ActiMates Barney to Microsoft at Work to pending disasters in smartphones and interactive TV (despite recent PR-worthy announcements). But like most litter, the failures are swept under the rug in the hopes people don't remember that many 'new' Microsoft ideas are recycled from its own history." Of course, like any big company, Microsoft is not a monolith.
What a hit that was!
MS Bob was a bad idea not only programmatically, but also conceptually. A 'virtual office'? It defeated the idea of computing as an office aide, and more of an office replacement.
Truly an example of why coding to the lowest common denominator of users can be a bad idea.
Sounds like Microsoft to me. So what was the point of that last sentence?
Ryan T. Sammartino
"Ancora imparo"
It is really interting to read about Microsoft Flops.. Although I had been using Linux as a main OS for 6 years, I have to say that there are a number of failiars that the Open Source (Free software, what ever) community faced in the past years as well.. what counts is how did they get over it, and pass it. Microsoft (Although I generally disagree with thier policies) had been successful in letting things go behind them, and move forward, while I still hear people in the OSS talk about Coral Linux and other failed OSS based projects.. Move on
The nerve of Microsoft to want people to not think about their failures and only focus on success'. After all, so many other companies have been perfect in all their products. And who wants innovation anyway (yeah, I know, M$ doesn't really "innovate" anyway). Better to stay tried and true and realize that it's better to limp along with mediocrity than to go out on a limb and fail.
/.'ers need to go out and get a life and gain some perspective.
Actually, I think the topic is intersting, as in genuinly interesting to see the things that they've tried and failed at. Those things they tried and failed and tried and failed and eventually succeeded (with Windows being the most obvious example). And obviously some attempts were quite humerous, but to turn this into a "gee see how much M$ really sucks" is just lame and shows how much some
Let's not forget Clippy. That annoying paperclip that opens everytime Word opens. I wish there was something like an MS Gun to shoot it with.
Regardless of how much money MS may lose on the hardware, the XBox is an unqualified success in the videogame market. Last I checked, it was still outselling Nintendo's GameCube.
Watching Microsoft explore new technology markets is like watching King Kong battling airplanes atop the Empire State Building. To win, the airplanes need to be lucky with every shot. King Kong only needs to be lucky once.
Microsoft made a huge deal on Hail Storm when they announced it a couple of years ago. Then they very quietly declared it "dead" this Spring.
Here is a recent interesting guerrillanews article.
"Let me let you in on a little secret about Bill and Melinda Gates so-called ?Foundation.? Gate?s demi-trillionaire status is based on a nasty little monopoly-protecting trade treaty called ?TRIPS? ? the Trade-Related Intellectual Property Rights rules of the World Trade Organization. TRIPS gives Gates a hammerlock on computer operating systems worldwide, legally granting him a monopoly that the Robber Barons of yore could only dream of. But TRIPS, the rule which helps Gates rule, also bars African governments from buying AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis medicine at cheap market prices. "
One tidbit of Microsoft trivia which seems to be left out everytime there's a discussion about Microsoft Bob. Who was the product manager? Melinda French. Where is she now and what's she doing? She's Mrs. Gates.
Sure Maggie can read that spreadsheet... assuming she has the same or newer version of Excel... and that she has all the (virus friendly) macros turned on... and that she has the Toolpack Addins installed.
I used to do support for a large number of purely office users (business office managers, secretaries, etc). I was always fielding questions as to why they couldn't open one person's document or why another person couldn't open theirs. This was at a large public university, so funds weren't just growing on trees; therefore we couldn't just upgrade everytime MS did. Also, with every upgrade there are some tool/method/appearance changes; this means that Maggie has to relearn how to do her special tasks (not all of them, but some).
It just felt to me that with every Office upgrade, MS tried to do something dramatically different (as opposed to just fixing bugs or giving speed increases). And when you have a large number of users set in their ways (working nicely and efficiently), changing them on a regular basis is not a good idea.
IANAL, but I play one on
.NET - IT departments are starting to realise what .NET is all about and fleeing in droves. A year ago you'd get them asking if you'd be supporting .NET and hoping the answer was "yes", now they're asking about .NET and hoping the answer is "no".
I used to think that there were some people, children, grandmother's etc, who might find the fella endearing and cute or helpful. I was in a school computer lab once and the girl next to me, who was not a regular computer user, was typing in Word and clippy pops up. She didn't understand what it was or why it was there, and asked me what to do. I explained that it just pops up and tries to offer help with certain tasks. She thought it was very very annoying and made me get rid of it. So I guess the thing is just as annoying no matter how familiar you are with computers. I think the only thing more annoying than the office assistant is the search dog. Grrr.
Oh how quickly they forget. MSX? Windows 1.0? MS Xenix? The not-so-compatible 1980s MS-DOS Compatibles? The list goes on and on...
Da Blog
Very true. I think any student of American history in general would notice that there are many more failures than successes. Specifically, the early American military had no real strategy and did not have enough junior officers. It faltered so many times (such as the horribly executed invasion of Canada) that it was nothing less than a miracle that America survived two wars with Great Britain intacted. However, in the end, it is the war, not the battles losted, that matters. Failure is alright as long as one learns and do not repeat it. Like my boss once told me, "If it doesn't work the first or even the second time, why do you think doing the exact same thing the third time would be any different?"
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True but when you an entire generation of people raised on MS Windows they might be more amicable to MS at the enterprise level when they are old enough to hold jobs and even become managers. In the minds of many people, Microsoft and computing are tied together. I think this is something MS have been trying to push for. They're very generous with their software at my university, especially for the CS majors. Of course, that doesn't really matter when it goes up against GNU C and Linux since those two are free to start with. However, there's also a push by MS for professors to use their products and teach in C# as well.
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To some extent you could say they were an IBM granted monopoly.
Sure IBM just got them in a great position to start with - but you have to admit that without them being granted DOS its pretty likely they would have gone nowhere. They certainly couldn't have used DOS to get Windows, then Windows to get Office, web browsers, and anything else they are strong in.
I would be cautious about a premature judgment. Nothing is a failure until MS gives up on it.
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How about the years of mental frustration over fear of losing my data? Blue screen crashes twice a day will drive anyone nuts. It's 2 years+ later now after running Mandrake all this time I am starting to feel like storing my important data on my system is a good idea.
Lawsuit! Mental distress!
Just think about where Microsoft has gone in the past 10 years (Windows 3.11 for workgroups to Windows 2003 server) -- and in another 10 or so, where could it be? When MS released WinCE to compete with Palm, people laughed it off. When MS released IE, people laughed at it as an inferior browser to Netscape ... Microsoft Word? haha.. everyone had Wordperfect.
Never under estimate MS. Plain and simple. If MS needs to build Windows on a *nix core in order to have the entire enterprise running on the MS platform, then by all means, they will do it. plain and simple. Just because something doesn't work today doesn't mean that it won't become the defacto standard tomorrow.
No M$ lover me, but surely mistakes are exactly what makes business successful?
For every business idea that takes off, there are always a few that don't. Reading the future is very hard - almost impossible. MS has billions and billions in the bank, meaning it can afford to try and fail - so that it has a steady range of successes. Surely that is a good thing, if you are MS?
Seems to me we should all want to have enough cash to be able to try this "scattershot and some can't fail to stick" approach to business.
Michael
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This was one of the great sloppy lines of logic on which the trial was built. You might have noticed that Internet Explorer versions 1, 2, and basically 3 were failures, even though they too were bundled with Windows. THis was because they sucked. Microsoft products succeed when they do what customers want.
It's nice to know I'm not the only one with embarrassing stuff sitting in the Google Groups archive...
REDMOND, WASHINGTON, U.S.A., 1995 MAR 31 (NB) -- Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) Chairman Bill gates has named this "Microsoft Bob Day." Bob is the nerdy looking guy with the black plastic-frame glasses who, according to Microsoft "gives new meaning" to the computer term "user friendly"
Today is Microsoft Bob Day because it is the first day the user interface software of that name will be available in retail outlets. Microsoft hopes every IBM-compatible user in the country will welcome Microsoft Bob into their home and/or office. Bob features animated personal guides that navigate users through Bob's eight applications.
Microsoft may see Bob as a "simpler" user interface, but retailers see it as a sales tool, with several mass market retailers featuring Bob promotions. Sears stores are offering consumers the opportunity to meet Bob via exclusive "technology makeovers." Through April 30, 1995, the national chain is offering a personal consultation to help assess your level of computer knowledge and experience. The consultation is designed to show that with Microsoft Bob's help just about anyone can be a "techno-whiz."
CompUSA is so enamored with Microsoft Bob it will offer two days -- April 29 and 30 -- of Bob demos and promotions in all its retail outlets. "Bob allows us to talk to an even broader mix of customers," said Larry Mondry, CompUSA executive vice president of merchandising.
The underlying philosophy of Microsoft Bob may be "simplicity of use," but it won't run on a simple PC. As a minimum you need Windows 3.1 or higher, a 486 or higher microprocessor, eight megabytes (MB) of memory, 30MB of available hard disk space, a Super VGA 256-color monitor, and a mouse of comparable pointing device. That eliminates many of the PCs in homes and small offices that have 4MB of memory, unless the owner is willing to upgrade. If you want Bob to send your electronic-mail or pay your bills online you will also need a modem. Microsoft also calls a sound card and speakers "recommended options."
Microsoft is banking heavily on Bob's ease of use. As a result there is no manual with the software. Each user can choose one of the animated helpers Bob provides, which include a dog, a cat, "Scuz" the teenager, a parrot, and a "friendly dragon."
Microsoft Bob's opening screen is a red front door with a brass door knocker and your personal animated helper to suggest, through pointing and text messages, where you should go. Interestingly, while the guy with the friendly smile and the heavy glasses is the namesake of the program, he doesn't actually appear in the software.
The eight functions Bob brings to your home or office are a letter writer, calendar, checkbook/financial management program, household manager for managing household information, address book, e-mail, a quiz game called GeoSafari, and a financial guide that provides financial information and tips. The various programs are integrated so you can write a letter and pull in the appropriate address from the address book, then send the letter electronically via e-mail.
Bob may be a gamble for Microsoft. The company hopes users will accept the cartoonish look-and-feel of the program intended to make computing easier, but it remains to be seen if experienced computer users will be attracted to the program.
When Bill Gates introduced Microsoft Bob in January at the Consumer Electronics Show he pointed out that Bob is for both new users and users who have a computer but don't make use of it because it requires too much in the way of learning skills and pouring through manuals. "Using Bob, people will learn faster and easier and even learn more about application features they would not otherwise become familiar with," said Gates.
Bob uses a relatively new user interface technique, called a
I'd love to find a list of all the companies and how they have screwed people over so I could link to that URL everytime I hear how good Microsoft is just because they're profitable.
Add to that:
mice
keyboards
joysticks
wide range of games, incl FlightSim
MSMoney
Windows CE
ActiveX
FrontPage
Encarta
Exchange
MSProject
Not all wildly sucessful, but not doing too bad.
There are others.
But the main thing they have is mindshare. Ask anyone outside of a few select communities (/. for one), and who makes software? Microsoft. And maybe IBM.
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The great General Robert Lee was not "smarter than that", but a complex and intelligent thinker who was torn between his strong belief in the importance of preserving the Union of the states, and his loyalty to his family and the State of Virginia. (It is interesting that the person recommending Lee to lead the Union Army was a distant cousin of his, Blair Lee of Mongomery County, Maryland. I guess not every Lee suffered the curse of holding "family honor" in higher regard than the Rights of Man.)
The conflict that started the war was over the Crittenden Proposal, that would have allowed the "Southern States" to preserve the inhuman tradition of slavery without interference from the other states or the federal government. The proposal was defeated in comittee, largely due to the greater representation enjoyed by the predominantly Republican North. What amuses me greatly about this fact is that if the Southern States had allowed thier slaves to vote, and thus be counted for representation, then the South would have greatly outnumbered the North in congress, but then again, if the South had allowed their slaves to vote, I doubt that slavery would even have been a possibility.
Read, L
"How about the crap that MS pulled by placing the minimize/maximize right next to the close button (whereas in previous UIs the close button had been on the left so that it would be nearly impossible to exit an app accidentally while trying to minimize)?"
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You mean like KDE does?
The problem I have with this argument is that there is no good place to put the close button. Put it in the upper left, and when somebody goes to file/open they could miss and close the app. Put it in the lower left and they could hit it when going for the scrollbar, same for lower right. Then there's the whole matter of where people resize from.
Actually, Apple did have a solution to this problem, but it's not as great as some people have made it out to be. If you open an app like IE, the titlebar is maximized to the top and your browser window is a child of that titlebar. If you switch to another app, then the titlebar is replaced with the bar of the new app. Result? Closing an app always means going to the upper left in the exact same spot.
Your problem is solved here, but a new one emerges: Closing the wrong app. You no longer have positional reference to specify which app you are closing. You could end up closing Photoshop while you really intended to kill IE. How would ya know without reading what the bar says?
To make a long story short, the problem you are describing has no easy solution. Nobody's solved it without creating a new nasty problem. You just have to rely on accuracy of the mouse pointer. And you know what? One has to be accurate with the mouse anyway. The same argument for clicking the wrong window box could be made for clicking on the wrong file to copy or clicking on the wrong menu choice. At some point, the input has to be accurate for the computer to work at all.
So no, I don't feel that MS has 'pulled any crap'. I don't feel that they've made a better solution than anybody else either.
"Derp de derp."
It's color? What the fuck? Aren't there little pictures on the button that indication iconify, maximize, close, and whatever else?
I hope a few people at Microsoft will glance at this, but more than likely they won't, or will and can't change a thing.
I completely dislike windows. I don't consider it worthy of much more than solitare, however, I like Microsoft applications, they are well put together, have great functionality and work well. Wine wouldn't be where it's at now if this wan't true. MicroSoft's strength is solid applications.
If Microsoft were to ditch their operating system completely on the desktop and spec a GNU/Linux or FreeBSD OS to be assembled by system integrators it would be a leap forward, no one cares about the operating system, it's the applications. The OS only comes into play when it repeatedly crashes, when explorer crashes, when odd programs cause the whole OS to freak out, or buggy drivers lead you to the BSOD.
XP is buggy as hell, I can push an XP system in the wrong way and get it to crash quickly, in some cases faster than Win2K.
Microsoft should port their apps to some sort of VM instruction set and make a VM for each operating system out there. We all know windows would run it faster, I really don't care, I need reliablity. Give me both and Redmond will get my cash, and my client's cash as well.
Until then OpenOffice gets better every release, X gets better every release and Gnome and KDE are both headed in the right direction, there may soon be no need for MicroSoft at all if this continues.
Their downfall will be Billy G's arrogance.
The first (DOS) Microsoft Access program was a terminal emulation/communication package (intended to be similar to pcAnywhere, etc.), which flopped big time........ So they reused the name (and buried the failure) for their Windows database product.
"They've done a really brilliant job in leveraging their strengths in the desktop operating system and applications and tying it to the server," says Davis.
Um, isn't that exactly why they were under investigation in the EU?