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Chinese "Dragon" Chip On Sale
mrseigen writes "The processor that Chinese firms have been working on as a response to foreign equipment and software is now available for pre-order. The Inquirer did an article here, and the company website is here. The chip will supposedly ship with Midori Linux."
It may not be a good idea to overclock these chips, as the dragons will most likely be hot enough as is...
Yeah but an hour after you install it, you want to order another one.
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Man, I can think of about 100 products or companies that are all named "Midori". Either people really like melon liqueur, or the rampant fanboyism really has to stop.
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
Why would they ship with a linux distro that hasn't been updated in two years?
Oh man! It's gonna say "Enter the Dragon" isn't it!!!
but only if the money is used to torture political dissidents
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And will be an enormous economic force in years to come.
/.ers are really happy about that.
If they reduce their reliance on foreign IP (or non-free foreign IP) as well as foreign hardware, this can only be good for China, and only be bad for us (Less money flow into the IT industry) unless they produce a higher quality product (thus improving the industry).
However, in the short term, you know, MS won't make as much money, neither will Intel, and I'm sure a lot of
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...a Dragon chip in the Year of the Ram? Dragon chips are so 4698. (Year 2000 for Gregorian Calendar fanatics out there)
I'd rather buy a Ram chip - at least that way I know I'm being current.
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The only problem is that these "dragon chips" are about equivilent to your average pentium 2, they can't hold a candle to anything coming out of the united states. This chip may work for webstation-type things, but it will be useless for any real computing.
Is turnaround still fairplay?
Commencing countdown to first occurrence of lame "Double Dragon"(TM) joke in reference to SMP setups.
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Yes, as a quick look at the website would have told you, Mr.First Post.
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This is actually pretty significant...and kudos to the Chinese for making it happen.
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About the only mainstream chip that I can think of off the top-of-my-head that's not U.S. bred is the ARM (which is British in origin). (I'm sure there are others, but you get my point).
And for all of you who say "this chip has lame performance", think back 5-10 years. If you had something like this 10 years ago, you'd pee your pants. This is like going from 0-100Kmh for the Chinese....many don't have any computing resources....chips like these will start to make things accessible for many (although not all).
Also remember back in 1986 when your relative who had a computer did all his accounts on an IBM XT? You don't need gobs of computing power to do basic business functions...and remember the majority of businesses *anywhere* are small businesses with less than 10 employees.
Technology is also quite often culturally imbred....ever looked at how many consumer electronics devices are HUGE in Japan, but don't take off in the U.S.? It's that embedded cultural technology difference....and maybe with China having some homegrown options, they can develop systems that better meet the needs of their population.
Anyhoo, just my two cents.
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This nation has never before manufactured a computer processor of this power before, and even though processors from the US could easily beat it, its still a good bargain for the users and a good start for the country. Moreover, not everybody is a gamer, and sometimes, older processors do fine for everyday work tasks. For example, I have seen a lot of server boxes that still use Pentium II class processors and work fine. I still sometimes use my P II desktop, which uses SuSE Linux 7.3, and I think that its just about as fast as my Athlon 1700 when it comes to word processing and simple GUI tasks.
I spent a good deal of time in China a couple of years back. All I have to say is, the many people whom I met all over the country were honest and worked very hard, and I think that they deserve better living conditions than they currently have.
Their government is slowly but surely making progress towards a more reasonable form, and I hope that news technology developments like this are harbingers of improvement in their economy and the lives of the Chinese people in general.
Looks like there'll be an alternative when all Intel and AMD are producing are Palladium chipsets and you'd rather not be "trusted" by Big Corps...
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I can't believe this was modded to 4, Informative.
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If the Chinese government can go around propping up Chinese industries until American businesses get torched and American workers get laid off, then why do it?
I mean, what's the point of being the only nation in town that believes in free trade when everyone else, including American importers, are using it to crush Americans at home.
F---- free trade.
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Reminds me of the line: "If you had let the government come up with the cure to Polio, you'd have the best iron lung in the world but you'd be no closer to a vaccine."
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Consider the following.
In other words, we Americans should blame ourselves. Why? American companies, especially those in Silicon Valley, employ hordes of Chinese from Taiwan. When they are given lucrative opportunities in mainland China, they will seize those opportunities. Some of those opportunities involve giving sensitive American technology to Beijing. We did this to ourselves; we made it easy for the Taiwanese to give American technology to Beijing.
This hemorrhaging of technology will continue until we in the United States of America (USA) wake up. We should treat Taiwan as a province of China. When we slap punitive sanctions against China, we should also apply those sanctions against Taiwan. If we do not want to give sensitive technology to China, then we should not give sensitive technology to Taiwan. Period.
Several companies in Silicon Valley prohibit Chinese nationals from working on technologies deemed sensitive by the American government. Yet, those very same companies readily employ Taiwanese nationals to work on the same sensitive technologies. Folks, let's wake up before the fire-breathing dragon burns us Americans along with the Tibetans.
V-Dragon is an embedded chip, it has an integrated memory controller (supporting 1GB of SDRAM), USB controller, 10/100Mbps Ethernet and PCI controller. Since everything you need is integrated on the CPU, it makes motherboards very simple.
It won't be very fast, but it should be more than enoug for web-browsing and text-editing.
you do realise that slashdotting a chinese national website is a capital crime in mainland china, don't you?
I for one would like to welcome our new Chinese overlords...
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...will it run my Dragon32 code?
This is part of a trend. Everybody thought China would be this wide open market. All these people were salivating at the prospect of a billion customers. They all forgot that China is so big that they are likely to muster the ability to do it themselves. The same thing has already happened with cell phones.
This also reminds me of a conversation I had in the early 90s with a room-mate who was an avid Free Trader. Me: "Why are we compromising our principles with China. We don't need them". Him: "We don't need them? They don't need us!". Me: "That's loser talk!". Him: "You're hopelessly backward and provincial...".
In retrospect, we were probably both right; at least on the first exchange. We don't need China. They don't need us. Sheesh! Why is Slashdot such a dog lately. It won't let me preview posts...
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
EETimes has an article on this. They note:
Culturecom Holdings Ltd., a publisher of Chinese language "fighting" comics that migrated into information technology in the 1990s, has begun selling its V-Dragon microprocessor for use in Chinese PCs.
That's almost like vivendi-universal going from a water utility to a multimedia giant! Is there some new business strategy for totally changing industries that I should be aware of?
They also note:
The V-Dragon CPU incorporates support for Chinese-language characters, according to the company.
Wow, I wonder what that means... optimized U16 support? Or is it marketing-speak?
EEtimes also notes that 300,000 chips have already been sold or have letters of intent to be sold.
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Did anybody else here read the article?
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While I applaud the effort to give cheap computing to the underpriviliged masses in China, this may be cause for concern
The fact that a government that still seems to be fairly interested in tramping on all forms of dissidence is involved enough with the OS and hardware so that it falls "in line with the Chinese government's IT policy", makes me a little nervous.
This isn't unusual, MS has always tailored their products so that they fit in with the IT policies of western nations. But from what I have read, China has a somewhat different IT policy to many Western nations.
An IT policy which drives everything underground, away from the policing ears.
China is a ruthless communist dictatorship. They don't believe in bilateral trade. They are a parasitic trading country like alot of the ASIAN nations. They lure stupid American companies in the belief that with the lure of dirt cheap labor they will hit the gold mine. They forget that China is making moves to conquer another asian country . Also know that most of Chinese wealth can be attributed to allowing the brutal dictatorship free access to American markets while doing very little reciprical trade with the U.S. Why do we free trade with CHina and not Cuba or North Korea since they are all alike ?
There seems a constant rush to dump current consumer chips and move on to something faster (like Moore's Law needs to be held up). This does not represent the needs of mass consumers - it represents the interests of corporations who want cash to keep winding the cycle upwards for greater and continued profit.
There is nothing wrong with a chip that does not compete with the latest specs. So many people believe that they need stellar specs - they need reliable, cost-effective chips that do their math.
People don't need much, we use office / openoffice because everyone else does. In China they can do their own thing with less bloated simple tools. Like a spruced up xedit. Such a system wont need more than a 10gb harddisk if even that.
Will be interesting to see what they pick as a browser and email client.
Ballpark guess at cost would be between $125 and $175 (w/o monitor). Depending on memory, drives, multimedia, etc.
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You are completely missing the point. The Chinese are not trying to make an Intell/AMD Killer. They are making a CPU with enough horsepower to run Linux and let people do office tasks - email, word processing, spreadsheets, etc... and other normal computing tasks. They are also making a CPU in-house, which means they don't need to worry about how Intel or AMD feels about them or even if the US government doesn't want them buying powerful chips.
This isan't about playing DOOM3 or Half-Life2. This is about China having an IT sector that is not subject to the whims of non-Chinese companies or governments.
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As I am interested in CPU architecture, I tried to find some technical info on the chip. I didn't found much, except a large powerpoint file which I failed to download. Slashdot effect? I wonder if they can read/produce such .ppt files under their Midori Linux ;-)
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However, there is much more talk about their embedded character generator! This sounded very funny to me. A character generator in a CPU??!?!
After browsing around, I found that the vice president of Culturecom has been working 20 years with chinese character encodings. I guess the board of directors has a lot to say about what the chip real estate should be used for
I also found this link explaining somewhat more. (Is it normal practice for UCLA to comment on market opportunities for Chinese companies in scientific papers?)
Anyway, Culturecom seems to have invented an encoding for chinese characters that encodes brush strokes. This seems to be a good idea, and is likely superior to the outline encoding used in TrueType. It is probably a nice algorithm. But they don't seem to want to publish this algorithm. The idea is to "embed" it in a chip, and sell the chips instead. ($25) Maybe this makes sense in china where patents and copyrights are routinely violated, but I personally think that the chip real estate could probably have a better use.
Speaking of copyright violations; their web site says that they are selling Midori Linux for only $50. I wonder if that includes source code and a GPL license?
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the flagrant abuses of some South American countries that US has perpetrated since the 1950s are inexcusable. The fact that US is even allowed NEAR the United Nations is a gross mockery of justice.
I know I'm evangelizing here, but people need to know that the wealthiset nation in the world is consider by many as more brutal and inhuman than Saddam Hussein's.
I mean, if there's one country we can count on to resist pressure to place their population's property under a system enforcing centralized control, it's China!
The title says it all. Any real info about what's the architecture (as in, is it x86, MIPS, SPARC, POWER, E2K?...), and how will it be marketed (clones vs proprietary, embedded vs general purpose, etc)?
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Tibet is pretty, and it has many movie stars. So people worry about Tibet.
30 MILLION people died in China during the "great leap forward" and "cultural revolution" because of politically motivated starvation and executions. That's more than the population of Tibet. In fact, it ranks as one of the great tradgedies of human history, with the black plague, AIDs, WWI, and WWII.
Tiannenmen. And friends like North Korea, Cambodia, and Vietnam.
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I have to say I made a boo-boo. The article in question actually tells that the processor is available for direct order, not pre-order as I had let on. Not like it stopped anyone who cared.
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But the real kicker with this CPU is the possibility for cheap dual and quad motherboards. If you can get 4 of these running under Linux or NetBSD the performance of one CPU don't mather that much. With a cost per CPU probably between $20-30* I would be all over tis offer.
From a customers wiewpoint competition in the Quad-motherboard is appreciated as these MB's today cost insane amounts of money.
All this depends on wheter they have added propper SMP support which is propably difficalt as they try to stay away of "IP" issues.
*Wild guess of course, but they just can't cost above $30 if they expect them to sell in China.
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The self righteous crowd got let out of its cage today. Lets address some concerns:
Humanitarianism:
The computer you're typing youre typing on was most likely made in a place you would describe as a horrible sweatshop if you would ever get to see it. Same goes for all sorts of computer related goods.
Lots of goods in general are clearly marked Made in China yet its this chip some people seem so focused on.
Also, please take into account the US and its own allies record on human rights before entering the morally ambigious grounds of "Bad country vs. Good country."
Propping up the industry
All countries do this. Corporate welfare, sweetheart deals, tariffs, etc. Look in your own backyard before you accuse the neighbors of being a nuscience.
"Its only a pentium II"
Lets see the PII burns very little energy, had almost 10 million transistors and 64 gigabytes of addressable memory. Not a bad chip to be compared to. I used to run Mandrake on a PII-350 and it would play Divx movies without a frame skip. We're not talking a 8086 chip here.
I'm not even going to go into how no one really needs a P4 at 2ghz to run Office and all the energy that wastes.
"Tibet!"
Whatever your thoughts on Tibet buying not not buying a Dragon chip will make no difference. Its like people refusing to drink French wine because of their position regarding Iraq. The French will not notice or care.
Also, Tibet was a theocratic slave state with no concept of civil rights either. Pot meet Kettle.
"China Bad, must punish."
Maybe not. By entering into normal trade relations we make their economy dependent on the world economy, i.e. it becomes a political check, do bad things, watch your economy collapse through sanctions. I'm no lassieze-faire globalisation nutcase, but this certainly beats isolationism by a wide margin. Business doesnt exist in a vacuum, there have been cultural exchanges for quite some time and I would rather see a positive bend on westernism than trans-atlantic namecalling and useless boycotts.
I'm an idealist too, but I know that I have bigger problems domestically and if I want to impose my view of the world onto other countries I'd rather be able to point to my backyard and say "this is how its done" as opposed to "you are bad, go away."
China is a totalitarian, aggresive, expansionist, military power.
WTF? CHINA is an aggresive (sic) expansionist military power? WTF? Are you on fucking crack? Or do you not understand what the word hypocrite means? The United States has military bases in Antarctica, Antigua and Barbuda, Austrailia, the Bahamas, Bahrain, Belgium, British Indian Ocean Territories, Canada, Columbia, Cuba, Denmark, Egypt, France (yes, France), Germany, Germany, Germany, Greece, Greenland, Honduras, Hong Kong, Iceland, Indonesia, Italy, Japan, Kenya, Kwajalein Atoll, Luxembourg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Oman, Peru, Portgual, Saint Helena, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Turkey, United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and Venezuela. But yeah, China is an aggresive (sic) expansionist military power. What the fuck ever. Get your head out of your ass, fucktard.
"I wonder why those dumb ass Chinese spend so much on defense. Must be plotting to take over the world or sumfin. I'm gonna get me another Coors Light and watch me some Fox News."
You fucking moron.
We don't, for example, worry so much about technology in the hands of the peaceful democratic country of South Korea.
The peaceful democratic country with 100 (count them, I would have listed them too if I wasn't so damn lazy) US military bases and 37,000 US soldiers. Gee, I wonder why we don't worry as much about technology there. It's a mystery. Please enlighten me Mr. Internet Genius Geek Boy.
For a country that is as backward as mainland China, possessing the ability to make a high-performance 32-bit pipelined microprocessor is a tad surprising.
Hardly. You don't think that the Chinese know everything about the workings of CPU and RAM foundries in Taiwan? You realize that Taiwan is where much of our computer gear is manufactured.
Whether you agree with the policies of the Chinese government, you must realize that China is one of the oldest civilizations in the whole world. America doesn't have exclusive rights to computing you know. Maybe they are tired of watching American companies flop around like beached salmon and want sustainable computing for themselves.
Besides, the chip implements technology published as a standard. How could you call this stealing?
Actually, you misread his misspelling... he meant to say:
"...which was killing millions of Americans through puberty"
It's a hard stage in life, but regardly of Bush's policies we all have to pass through it. Some may not live to gain from it, but I believe puberty only makes us a stronger country.
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This is factually incorrect. The US (unsuccessfully) invaded Cuba in 1961. Much more recently we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq. Every successful empire needs to expand in order to keep the plebians from revolting, and the US is no exception.
Which of those three nations did we establish a colony in? Maybe you have a different defintion of expand than I do. China certainly does.
To your first point: Norway is not in strategic competition with China, nor will it ever be. We are.
To your second: I am aware that America stopped expanding for geographical reasons. That does not change the fact that the period of American expansion is over. Moreover, your point about Chinese empire is completely false. The simple act of being conquered by the Mongols does not give you the right to take over the entire Mongol empire. And do you feel that Japan has the right to take over China anytime it wants simply because it once made China part of its empire? That sort of reasoning is asinine. I do hear it often, however -- it's a product of indoctrination by the Chinese educational system. They're good at it. They are better than most anybody at fooling their own people with bold faced lies, I'd have to say.
And as for your third point about the Vietnamese: We left despite the South Vietnamese asking us to stay. Which is why they were shortly thereafter overthrown by the communists. Do you remember the thing called the Vietnam war? Remember how we left at the end and abandoned the South Vietnamese? Perhaps you need some remedial history. You certainly need a lesson in civility. It would make you seem like less of an ass whenever you open your mouth and reveal your ignorance about history.
You raise some valid points, but you need to come off your high horse. Back in the time when the USA was, what you call, a backward country, the US was all so pleased to get Fermi, Einstein fleeing totalitarian regimes in Europe (to name just a few). They did not come to their theories and research in isolation, but were a product of their environment and education in those countries. But they started or helped a developing industry and research in the US.
Later, the US even incited top leading researchers to go to the States, well in many cases, they had little choice, but it was better than being deported by the USSR.
In short, this has happened before (and was done by those that had little to protect or complain about, but are now the first to be scorned), and is happening again. Nothing new here, move along.
In times of world Economy, I am still dazzled to see that ppl seem to find reasons to protect their little countries (in fact, the country they are in can do anything they want, but everyone else should be good, unfair competition anyone?). I am just glad to see another alternative processor and in the long term, it can only benefit us with lower prices and better performance.
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I got the impression that the whole distro is loaded into RAMDisk from a flash.
This really caught my eye because just recently on the Knoppix boards, a script has come out to load a whole Knoppix distro directly into RAMDisk.
I bet this is how it works and I think it's an awesome way to go. I want to try and load Morphix into 300 Megs of RAM using the script over at Knoppix. You could try it too! They say it's freakin' fast once you load everything into RAM.
I think it's interesting that the other popular desktops, MS and Apple, really don't have any incentive to go this way since it could potentially stall high end hardware sales and that's not really in their business interests.
After all, why do you need a bunch of hard drives if your OS is in RAM and you have cheap optical media for storage. And why do you need fast CPUs if your OS is already snappy as hell on an older --or newer, but slower, cheaper and less power hungry-- machines.
I think this is huge news. I knew it was coming, but I thought it would be awhile. I think the immersion lithography deal made it pointless to put things off anymore. The tech transfer is complete and it had jack to do with Taiwan. The Taiwanese are far too greedy. This was home grown all the way. I have no doubt.
1. The simple act of being kicked out of Europe does not give you the right to take over the New World from the Natives.. BUT YOU DID!! and forced them into reservations for their own protection... =) (I'm not saying that is wrong either.. its a basic law of science by some dude they call darwin.. survival of the fittest or some crud)
2. If you go back 5000 years, what is now known as China was actually many separate kingdoms, bout 8 or 9 and yes today's Tibet belonged to one of those kingdoms and the land of Tibet over the last 5000 years have been off and on, in and out of "China's" control. Some uprising here and there changes possession of control throughout the years. Look at the greeks, romans, normans, franks, etc.. they all did the same shit, so why is it that when China does it, China is the evil empire and when the europeans does it, its A-OK.
China's autocratic regime does have its drawbacks, but then again it does have its usefulness. Many critics of the system based their assessment on the assumptions of their own environment and did not take into account the cultural, economical, educational differences.
There are some ideas which we deem extremely previous which runs counters against other cultures and we think people who do not adopt what we deem precious is EVIL...(pinky to the lips!). Democracy is a system that can only work when education, cultural, and economic standards are of a level that can sustain a democratic system. Every other country that has tried to implement a democractic system that has not achieve a certain threshold in these categories have failed miserably. Taiwan, Russia, Japan, Indonesia, etc.. list goes on and on.
3. The US government isn't good at fooling their own people with bold faced lies? Please google Bushism, it provides a good read to counter your arguments =). Not to mention that we are known for buying political, military and economical favors with our "AID" packages. recent examples.. turkey, pakistan, et al. let us use your land as base for our iraq campaign and we promise give you X billion (in fine print but we will have to get congressional approval in addition to the presidential promise, so the AID package MIGHT not be there). So we just package our lies a little better but what's the difference?
4. Regarding vietnam, my understanding was due to political and social reasons, the government never commited enough military support to make the war winnable, all the hippie protests (really just an excuse to say FUCK over a PA system a lot, get alot of people in one place to have free casual sex and complain at the government imo), the morale issue of the soldiers there where it seems that most of them don't know why the fuck are they doing in the jungles of vietnam. The US finally left because it became too economically, and politically unsustainable for them to continue in vietnam. Thus vietnam became the only war in modern history that the US technically lost, now if the US actually focused the entire might of its military powers in vietnam, there won't be tributes to uncle ho in vietnam right now. There'll be an american flag there instead.
5. Based on what I have read of ancient and modern historical text (last 4500 years) Other than wars within the area in what is known as China today, the "Chinese" has never actually invaded another country. (Parts of North Korea was actually part of China off and on over history). The japanese and korean kingdoms also deferred to the decisions of the chinese emperors and used the chinese emperors as leverage politically in their own kingdoms. You can find references to that in many of the historical accounts.
China has also never engaged in colonialism even though they had more than enough power militarily to do so in the past. In the Ming dynasty, a fleet that contained over 100 ships set sail under the command of Admiral Cheng Ho. He visited many places and iirc went all the way to Africa. Whenever he arrived at a new place, instead of setting up colonies, he did a PR camp
And so it begins...
China has made a few things clear with respect to its rise as a new super power:
1) We will show the world what can be done and take the lead as a nation in engineering, space exploration, and computer science.
They started with the largest engineering project ever concieved..the largest hydro electric power project EVER.
No western nation could duplicate such a project even if we wanted to because of the sheer size, and the use of cheap labor by the Chinese.
China will have clean, cheap energy for 25% of the nations total needs for the next 100 years from this project.
2) It has been rumored, recently in a M5 visit to China, that space exploration plans include a moon base within 15 years of thier first successful manned orbital launch.
It was also made in not so many words, that once they complete this base, we are NOT welcome.
3) China, doesn't want Western IT technology. Especially Windows, or Intel's chip technology in any sort of influence on its internal consumer markets.
It was made clear that Intel's Chip ID technology and the CIA's insistence that back doors be placed into foreign copies of Windows, was not acceptable.
It is forbidden in China to attach any Intel processor based system to the internet with Chip ID technology of anykind.
This new processor was a "call your bluff".
After all, HOW DARE YOU compete with Western technology, you can't possible build anything near as well as we can, so you must accept our processors if you want to do business with us.
It is this direct response to Intel's Digital Rights, chip ID technology as well, that this processor now has been born.
It won't take China long to ramp this processor up to Pentium 4 Xeon quality (3 years at most), using Tainwanese acquired fabrication planets and technologists.
In my view, China can sustain its economic growth internally, due to its population size for the next 50 years, and tell the rest of the world to kiss its ass.
I believe greed, our very own Intellectual Property Rights Laws, and this obsession with Digital Rights Management has locked us out of the only market that will provide long term economic security to the United States.
What is more, I believe China is using these laws against our very own interests in doing business over there.
Coupled with thier own version of RedFlag Linux, once China has its own PC, and own Operating System, THEY WILL DICTATE TERMS 50 years from now to the Western world.
Our business leaders are fools in this country, and while China builds the biggest terrestrial project ever concieved, builds its own Moon Base 20 years from now, the world will do everything it can not to make the Dragon DISPLEASED.
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Now they can have an opcode that will very quickly load the string "Long Live Chineese Socialist Party" in the video memory.
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