Titania Nanotubes for Hydrogen Sensors?

Roland Piquepaille writes "Everybody is talking about carbon nanotubes these days. But what about titania nanotubes? Penn State researchers think they have a great potential for sensing hydrogen . According to this news release, "titania nanotubes are 1500 times better than the next best material for sensing hydrogen and may be one of the first examples of materials properties changing dramatically when crossing the border between real world sizes and nanoscopic dimensions, according to a Penn State materials scientist." And now, the very good news: titania nanotubes are cheap. So they'll be used in industrial quality control in food plants and as weapons against terrorism. My summary contains some more details."

Comments

Terrorist detection

[macragge]

Now we will be able to detect the terrorists at they attempt to crash Zeplins into our buildings!

Re:Terrorist detection

[AntiOrganic]

Stop terrorists?

Saddam Hussein tried to buy titania nanotubes from Africa!

Re:Terrorist detection

[Dark Lord Seth]

Did you hear? Osama hijacked the Goodyear blimp and tried to fly it into the Empire States Building!

It bounced off five times before the bastard gave up!

Re:What the hell is titania?

[soundnfury]

Screw titania. When are they gonna get the kryptonite nanotubes?

Better tools

[Stonent1]

A lit match works for hydrogen detection as well as many gas hydrocarbons. It is very versatile.

cheap?

[HBI]

How cheap could these be? I mean titanium itself is not a cheap metal (about $4 a pound apparently), but I imagine making nanotubes out of titanium oxide probably does not consume much titanium. The process has to be a bitch though.

I don't see anything about cost in the paper either.

Overexuberance on the author's part?

Re:cheap?

[Anonymous Coward]

First of all, the article sounds like a hoax to me.

But regarding the price of titanium:

Titanium metal is expensive. Titanium oxide is not.

Most elements do not like to be turned into metallic form. So although aluminum is the most abundant element in the Earth's crust, nevertheless, iron and steel are much cheaper (by weight) than aluminum.

Re:cheap?

[hcetSJ]

Although I don't know what the process is, the fact that titania is a ceramic means that there is probably some creative chemical conditions in which these things practically make themselves (sol-gel process, maybe). Ceramics are generally covalent networks--each atom is connected to the next with a bond like those which hold hydrogens to oxygens in water--and so by changing the conditions under which the titanium oxidizes, you probably have fairly good control over the size/shape of the final result. Not so with carbon nanotubes, which were originally manufactured pretty much by sifting through ashes...with an electron microscope. I know there are some more creative ways to make carbon nanotubes now, but most of them are still based on chance.

Maybe someone who has actually received a BS in Materials Science wants to back me up, or correct me?

Re:cheap?

[Goldsmith]

Well, I don't have a BS in Materials Science, but I'm working on a PhD in... well, lets call it nanoscience.

I personally don't know how to make titanium oxide nanotubes, but I imagine it would be similar to making carbon nanotubes... which I do have experiance with.

Allow me to show you...

The way you make carbon nanotubes is simple. You start with a catalyst (everything from rust to specially tailored alloys has been used), place this catalyst on a clean substrate where you want the tube to start growing. Next, flow some carbon rich gas through a furnace (i.e. methane), add a little hydrogen. When hot, place your substrate in the furnace. Nanotubes will grow from the catalyst in the direction of the flow (mostly).

That same method is used to grow many types of tubes and nanowires. The only hard thing is dealing with flammable and explosive gases at high temperature (I havn't blown anything up yet, but I'm trying), and keeping everything clean.

When dealing with nanotubes, you have to remember that you want to get a specific shape out, and not amorphous material, and that can be very hard. In most cases, you tailor your catalyst to provide the general shape you want, and grow off of that. So you could very easily control the growth of a ceramic, but the shape?

Now obviously, there are other ways to grow these things... but I'm going to stop now before this turns into a lecture.

Re:What the hell is titania?

[reverseengineer]

I think titania here is titanium dioxide, TiO2, which is most commonly used as a pigment- most opaque white pigments contain titanium dioxide, also known as rutile. I had no idea you could make it into nanotubes though.

Terrorism?

[roman_mir]

Why everything has to be about terrorism?
1. Throw around a buzzword, like nanotubes.
2. Mention fighting the terrorism.
3. Well, we all know what comes at step 3, don't we?

This is why everything has to be about terrorism.

Allah Akbar = Profit?

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(I used Allah Akbar not because I think it is in itself pro-terrorist, but because it is the most recognized token for the situation, so please.)

WTF is Titania?

[SiliconEntity]

Titania, it turns out, is Titanium Dioxide, used commonly as a white pigment. Read more about it at the Wikipedia.

Re:What the hell is titania?

[luzrek]

Titania is also the name of the well-endowed barmaid in the episode of the Simpsons where Moe has Plastic Surgery.

Seriously though, this press-release sets off my B.S. sensor. A typical scientific press-release would include some basic stuff, like what Titania Nanotubes are. Additionally, from my understanding of how carbon nanotubes are made, and how they exist, I'm not sure that Titanium could be used to make nanotubes. Neither could Silicon, which is the chemically more similar. Carbon nanotubes can exist because Carbon gets to form 4 and only 4 bonds. The extra electron orbitals (d-orbitals in spectroscophy language) would screw this up.

Additionally, I don't think that combustion (say in cars, mentioned in the article), results in any free hydrogen, it should be water, carbon dioxide, and unburnt fuel.

Wonder what's the next best material?

[Anonymous Coward]

titania nanotubes are 1500 times better than the next best material for sensing hydrogen

Oxygen?

Hmm....

[lukew]

My daughter's name is Titania, sounds like she's been getting up to some serious mischief.

yeah

[nomadic]

Everybody is talking about carbon nanotubes these days.

Yeah, can't walk down the street or ride a subway without hearing that incessant chatter about carbon nanotubes.

Titania in the war against terrorism

[56ker]

I'm still at a loss as to how detecting hydrogen helps combat terrorism. Would someone care to enlighten me?

Re:Titania in the war against terrorism

[ratfynk]

Simple, hydrogen molecules in explosives give off distinct hydrogen emmision signatures, hydrogen concentration loss has a very specific profile when used in combination with nitrogen in explosives. This is very quantifiable. It is also why older explosives became unstable over time. The loss of hydrogen molecules over time caused decay separation of the explosive component and the buffer. Some explosives even give off amonia, and some are made with it, Amex for example, the stuff used by Timothy McVie. If better explosive detection devices can come from this tech great! Then there is one more hurdle for social disfunctional maniacs to overcome.

Re:yeah and Please forgive the lengthness of my re

[agrippa_cash]

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Roland Piquepaille

[DeepDarkSky]

Why is Slashdot posting these news release stories that are summarized and submitted by Roland Piquepaille? And for that matter, where are these details on his web site that he purports to have? All I see are direct quotes and linked pictures. This is the second one I see now. Is this a trend? Is this how one can get stories posted here? I'll go and read news release sites like Eureka Alert and quote generously from it, add a couple of picture links, and submit it here.

Annoying learn-about-hydrogen comment

[SuperBanana]

And now for your entertainment tonight, the obnoxious nitpicking Slashdot comment reply!

A lit match works for hydrogen detection as well as many gas hydrocarbons.

Actually, Hydrogen requires a higher fuel to air ratio than gasoline. It also disperses nearly instantly(well, except in confined/sealed areas of course)- whereas gasoline etc sink and pool(which is why your natural gas/propane water heater has that nice little picture of a gasoline can etc).

Oh, and since it's still not known enough- the Hindenburg burned because it was painted with the chemical equivalent of rocket fuel(the chemical composition of the paint etc is very close to solid rocket fuel)- not because it was full of Hydrogen, which, by itself, doesn't burn.

When it DOES burn, it burns a)instantly b)practically invisibly, c)with no smoke. Watch those films of the hindenburg, and note the a)slow b)bright yellow c)sooty fire.

It's interesting to note that hydrogen's qualities make it much safer should there be, say, an accident with a truck carrying it. It dissipates as it leaks, versus the major fire hazard/toxic waste problem created by a gasoline spill.

Re:Annoying learn-about-hydrogen comment

[Oggust]

Oh, and since it's still not known enough- the Hindenburg burned because it was painted with the chemical equivalent of rocket fuel(the chemical composition of the paint etc is very close to solid rocket fuel)- not because it was full of Hydrogen, which, by itself, doesn't burn.

Nothing, "by itself" burns. There is always a fuel and some kind of oxidiser. The hindenburg burned very fuel rich, but if the hydrogen in it had been mixed with enough oxygen, it would have flattened everything in sight when it went up.

When it DOES burn, it burns a)instantly

Yeah, think explosion.

b)practically invisibly, c)with no smoke. Watch those films of the hindenburg, and note the a)slow b)bright yellow c)sooty fire.

Classic features of a fue-rich fire.

It's interesting to note that hydrogen's qualities make it much safer should there be, say, an accident with a truck carrying it. It dissipates as it leaks, versus the major fire hazard/toxic waste problem created by a gasoline spill.

In open air, yes. But the scenario I'm worried about is when it happens somewhere semi-enclosed, like a parking garage, or a tunnel. Some kind of area where the hydrogen can't quickly escape upwards, but has time to form an explosive mixture with the air. In a parking garage under other buildings it seems like it would be pretty devastating, but I haven't seen that scenario discussed anywhere.

/August.

Size and electron affinity

[fven]

There are two things that are of help here. Firstly is the size of the tubes, when you are in the nano- or pico- regimes, there are a lot more surface features (corners, edges) per atom than there are in the bulk metal. As most reactions (catalytic or non catalytic) occur on surface features, having as many small particles as possible makes sense.
The other factor that is a help here is that the oxide is used. Introducing impurities into metal (consider the oxygen an impurity) does two things, changes the electron affinity of the metal so it can bind ligands better (or worse - also useful) and introduces point 'defects' - places where the crystal lattice is interrupted. These 'defect' sites actually provide reaction points for in this case, hydrogen.
Nice piece of chemistry!

Fuel-cell

[Jotham]

Hydrogen entering an array of titania nanotubes flows around all the surfaces, but it also splits into individually charged atoms and permeates the surface of the nanotubes. These hydrogen ions provide electrons for conductivity. The change in conductance signals that hydrogen, above the background level, is present.

Sounds very similiar to how a fuel-cell works, but instead of pumping through lots of hydrogen to produce as much electricity as possible they're just using a little bit of hydrogen to generate a tiny current (or does it just change the conductivity?).

I want to know what this material does when feed pure hydrogen.

Ill met by twilight,...

[bigattichouse]

they are fair.. but I prefer to wait for Oberon nanotubes.

The Amazingly New Atmosphere Detector

[moby]

It's simply amazing and can detect hydrogen from 1 ppm to 4%. Luckily there is just enough floating around to guarantee success every time. Amaze your friends, take it outside, show-off as you brilliantly hold the detector in hand and proclaim, "Yes, we are not in a vacuum."

Did I mention that your friends would be amazed?

Nit Picking

[Nazmun]

As a muslim I must correct you. A more correct transliteration would sound like this. Allah-huu-akhbar. (key part you missed being the huu which sounds like who).

If anyone wants to know what that means... it's simply god is great or allah is great. Technically allah isn't a god as there is no sex associated with allah (god implies a masculine deity).