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China Proposes Rival Video Format

Richard Finney writes "Yahoo News is reporting that the Chinese government is supporting an effort to develop a homegrown standard, called 'AVS,' for compressing digital audio and video in order to avoid paying royalties on proprietary compression schemes. The AVS groups website is online but in Chinese."

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  1. Go China! by seldolivaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In case anybody else hasn't noticed, China is turning out to be -- in fact, already is, simply by its sheer size -- the world's largest booster of open source and royalty-free hardware and software in the world. Open Source and Free Software movements couldn't ask for a more powerful force to have on their side, and they are consistently expanding and improving what they offer -- first Red Flag Linux, then the dragon chip, and now this. Woo!

  2. Re:Piracy? by AllUsernamesAreGone · · Score: 3, Insightful

    "no other country could play them." ... until the hardware manufacturers get wind of the fact that there's huge demand for AVS capable players....

  3. Patent Policy Bites U.S.? by Michael_Burton · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Chinese seem determined to avoid patent issues by developing their own chips, and now their own video formats.

    The intellectual property laws that were supposed to guarantee our technology a dominant position may, in practice, be shutting U.S. companies out of future marketplaces, as tech customers seek a way around excessive royalties and restrictions.

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  4. communism and IP by martyn+s · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Communism may not be a good fit with physical goods and commodities and stuff like that, but I think China is setting a good example with intangible, non-rivalrous goods (IP). Once they design a chip, or a video compression scheme, no one can exhaust its usefulness. This is a good thing.

    Now don't think I'm going so far out there. We have similar ideas here, and we at least pretend to practice them. That's the idea behind University research and stuff like that (at least before universities had the right to own the products of their research).

    Here in America, I think we need more research done for the public benefit, paid with public money. There are so many intricacies to the vision I have, and I can anticipate many objections, but I'm not going to write a whole long post here. I'm just making a positive suggestion here.

  5. You know you're an FOSS zealot when... by Joel+Bruick · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...you cheer on a country with such a horrid human rights record simply because its software ideals appear to align with your own.

    1. Re:You know you're an FOSS zealot when... by garyok · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hell, we used all the nazi doctors' death-camp research didn't we? And the US shipped all the nazi guys designing V-1s and V-2s (more terrorist devices than weapons) off to build ICBMs, to protect the land of the free. Supporting research after some other jerk has got their hands dirty and killed some folk to get their answers (and taken the blame) is what we do in the 'civilised' west. Get over it.

      Bet you'll be glad for all the stem cell research they will do, with all their aborted female foetuses, when your liver packs in 20 years from now.

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    2. Re:You know you're an FOSS zealot when... by 73939133 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ...you cheer on a country with such a horrid human rights record simply because its software ideals appear to align with your own.

      Yes, when some engineers in China do something good and useful, like create a new, free video standard, one should cheer them on for that and encourage them. That doesn't amount to a wholesale endorsement of the Chinese government or their political system.

      The US has plenty of human rights, social, and economic problems itself and plenty of historical baggage. You should worry about that before you are in a position to single-handedly condemn a country of a billion inhabitants.

  6. Probably Nationalism by Phoenix666 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    You see, everything the CCP does is aimed at reaffirming their legitimacy as the one and ruling party. There is a Chinese space program to go to the moon. There is a program to build a navy to rival the US's. There was their version of linux, and now there's this project.

    I admire their technical prowess, but they're not doing it with the good of humanity in mind. It's all about proving that they're not trapped in luohouzhuyi, literally "fall-behind-ism." They've failed as a communist party, so now the only thing keeping them in power is trying to prove that they're making China strong enough to resist foreign interference. That's what this project feels like to me.

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  7. International Open Source lobbyists needed. by supabeast! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is why we need to support Open-Source lobbying efforts. Right now, sending a native Chinese lobbyist to push China to adopt the work of the Ogg team as their official standards would be a great coup for the Open Source movement.

  8. Re:Here's to the next 5000 years of isolationism by stu_coates · · Score: 4, Insightful

    China never really has gotten over that "we are the center of the earth" mentality have they?

    In my experience the USA has the same problem at times.

  9. if companies paid their taxes maybe it would help by DrSkwid · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Democratic Capitalism states it's aim as using human work to generate value. The people who do the work vote for a government that pools a portion of that for investing the the community with 'public works'.

    Taxation of profit is the promise that the government makes to the people.

    Tax collectors have the most powerful range of search and siezure laws on their side.

    Here in the UK a VAT collector can, with reasonable cause, turn up and any hour of the day or night and provided he is accompanied by two police officers he can enter your premises even if that means breaking in. No warrant, no judge, sieze first - ask questions later.

    So why is it just that the world's most profitable companies avoid paying fair taxation?

    If you believe in Democracy you believe in taxation, that's the deal.

    It is not good enough to set up "the Foundation" and do public work. The will of the people is that you pay the government and we'll take care of it from there, thank you very much.

    It is in this way that monopolies should not threaten their customers. Taxation is one of the checks and balances against run-away profiteering. If you had to pay 90% tax on the top end of the balance sheet then diminishing returns act as a disincentive.

    The stagnant two party system that has gripped the major democracies is anti-freedom.
    Dynasties are broken by internal power struggles spilling out into civil war or barbarian hordes.
    Demonizing the "others", one nation under god.
    But break they will and break they must.

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  10. Re:Chinese PEOPLE won't make money by TrollBridge · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "Not that a democratic governments making money guarantees that *all* the people will get their fair share."

    Now I know many people's definition of "fair share" vary, and I'm not going to pretentiously claim what the Founding Fathers would have wanted, but it seems that an increasing number of people believe that simply existing inside our borders entitles them to a share of the country's collective wealth.

    There used to be a time when people relied upon hard work, innovation, and ambition to achieve success, rather than expect it to be handed to them. Both corporations and individuals are prone to this new entitlement mentality, and it's the working stiffs that are getting screwed.

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  11. Ermmm... by griblik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... glass houses, stones, etc...

    Let's just say that your local media is more likely to tell you that another country is Bad(tm) then tell you about the stuff your own country is up to.

    I'm not condoning any form of human rights abuse, I'd really like to live in a nice, happy, peaceful world, but let's face it; the west is not exactly utopia either. I saw a post around here the other day from a chinese /.r who pointed out that whilst China's gov is slowly getting better, ours is quite quickly getting worse.

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    1. Re:Ermmm... by ryanvm · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're a fucking moron.

      Our government makes some colossal blunders - every government does. But to compare the United States (the largest foreign aid contributor in the world) to a country like China is ridiculous.

      Did you compare AI's report on the U.S. to their report on China? Don't bother answering, because I know you didn't.

      The highlights of the U.S. report consists of the detention of 600 foreign nationals arrested in military combat (boo fucking hoo) and the fact that we still exercise the death penalty. The China report details the systematic detention of TENS OF THOUSANDS of Chinese citizens for expressing dissenting opinions. "Torture and ill-treatment remained widespread and appeared to increase".

      If you were a Chinese citizen and had posted the same comment, you could very possibly wind up in prison.

      Get a fucking grip. No, better, move to China.