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Aral Sea Disappearing

W33dz writes "The BBC is reporting today that the Aral Sea on the border of the former Soviet republics of Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan has lost half its size and 75% of its volume in the last 15 years. The article includes some stunning pictures from both NASA and the new European Space Agency's Envisat satellite. This seems especially poignant since the US Government is hosting a summit on a proposed International Earth Observation System in Washington this month (BBC article). The meeting is intended to defend much of the Bush Administration's environmental policy and has an amazing guest list filled with the Who's Who of US politics."

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  1. Re:If it's a natural..... by turgid · · Score: 4, Insightful
    For all we know, this could be based on the 13000 year cycle of the earth.

    If oonly it were. The article says that it's more likely to be due to the excessive and wasteful irrigation systems in the area which take water from the rivers that supply the sea.

  2. WMD Facility on island by PeteyG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I recall watching a documentary on a Soviet-era facility dedicated to researching and developing bioweapons. As of the late '90s, there were massive stores of anthrax and smallpox buried there, and some of it was leaking.

    They mentioned that the sea was shrinking, and that would make it easy for animal life to transfer the deadly pathogens to the mainland.

    Or make it easier for the terrorist bad guys to get their hands on it.

    I think this is a bad thing all around.

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    1. Re: WMD Facility on island by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny


      > I recall watching a documentary on a Soviet-era facility dedicated to researching and developing bioweapons. As of the late '90s, there were massive stores of anthrax and smallpox buried there, and some of it was leaking.

      WMD on island ... sea is disappearing ... I think I'm on to a theory about why WMD go AWOL. Any disappearing seas or lakes in Iraq?

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  3. Re:Bush? by mrami · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sir, you are lacking in the uninformed reactionary spirit that made this land so great!

  4. Pardon me? by Otter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This seems especially poignant...The meeting is intended to defend much of the Bush Administration's environmental policy and has an amazing guest list filled with the Who's Who of US politics.

    Errr, not to nitpick but the Soviet governments that were responsible for the disastrous irrigation projects in Central Asia were led by Nikita Khrushchev and Leonid Brezhnev. The current Bush administration had very little to do with it.

    1. Re:Pardon me? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 4, Funny

      If Clinton was still in office, we would still be getting 24/7 coverage of his scandals and nobody would have paid attention to this story.

      Since we are hearing about this story, it is obviously G.W. Bush's fault.

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    2. Re:Pardon me? by Fly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I don't think the point is that Bush is responsible for it but that Bush has the view that we don't need to worry about messing up the environment when the Aral Sea shows that we can very well mess it up. The comparison is between Bush and those who are responsible for the environmental death of the Aral Sea.

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    3. Re:Pardon me? by Cplus · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a lot of American involvement in this problem, but it is actually positive. American RFS (river forecast system) technology that is being utilized to manage the flows of the Columbia, the Mississippi, and other large rivers in the states is being utilized to control the flows of the rivers that are draining the Aral. I read a great article about it in the dead tree version of Wired a while ago, the text is available online here.

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  5. Huh? Blame the Bush administration? by kawika · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If anything, the Aral Sea situation shows that these issues are not as simple as environmental extremists would like to make them out to be. Farmers need water. As the article says, their irrigation systems are not efficient, but who will pay for a new one? Perhaps the farmers should be made to pay for such a system, and maybe they should even compensate the fishermen who have lost their livelihoods. But answers that are acceptable to all sides are not so no-brainer obvious.

  6. Re:"Leaky Irrigation" In A Watershed? by lordDallan · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's not necessarily a red herring. If the problem is that a large amount of water is evaporating, it wouldn't necessarily make it back into the watershed, but could be lost through airborne transmission.

    It probably depends a lot on the air currents and geography of the region. But it's very surprising how much water can be moved through the air.

    Irrigation can also move water from one watershed to another (it does not respect watershed boundaries like rivers tend to).

    For a really interesting technical analysis on the Aral sea issue, check out this google cache of a paper by the Land and Water Development Division, Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations.

  7. This is news? by DesScorp · · Score: 3, Informative

    I remember seeing stories about this back in 1985, for fuqs sake. Back then, more than half of the sea had already dissapeared because of mismanagement by the Soviet government. I've seen several referneces to it since then. If I recall correctly, that first story was from National Geographic, but that was a looong time ago, so don't hold me to that.

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  8. Re:"Leaky Irrigation" In A Watershed? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Have you ever seen the mouth of the Colorado river near Baja California?

    In case you haven't, it's a small stream in a salt-flat. Irrigation projects siphon all of the water out.

    The Soviets built massive irrigation projects that drew off of the Volga and other rivers. They were and probaly continue to grow everything from rice to cotton on land that was once parched steppe.

    What ends up happening is that since you are spreading billions of cubic feet of water across hundreds or thousands of square miles, the water is used, evaporated (probaly about 75%) or added to the watertable.

    Large-scale irrigation causes all sorts of problems. There has been reasearch that hypothised that the added moisture in western states increases the number of thunderstorms and forest fires in the Sierras and Rockies.

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  9. Re:"Leaky Irrigation" In A Watershed? by duffbeer703 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's very plausible.

    It's basically a matter of spreading water over a larger surface area.

    eg. Leave a cup of water out, and pour another cup of water on a large baking sheet. Water on the baking sheet is exposed to more air and thus will evaporate faster.

    Here are some resources that you should find interesting: (remove the space that /. adds)

    Ground Water Budgets
    http://water.usgs.gov/pubs/circ/circ1186/ html/gw_d ev.html

    50% of Maine rainfall evaporates
    http://wa.water.usgs.gov/news/news.wri r01-4110.htm l

    water.usgs.gov contains all sorts of interesting climate information.

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  10. It's a sea because it is salty by AtariAmarok · · Score: 2, Informative

    "ust to clarify and emphasize why this is a big deal: Aral is not really a sea - it's a lake. A sea is a body of water that has direct exit into an ocean. A lake - doesn't connect to any ocean"

    huh? It is a sea, primarily because it is salty.

    The vast majority of what is called lakes do connect to the ocean: from Lake Superior to Lake Placid.

    See dictionary.com concerning sea " A relatively large body of salt water completely or partially enclosed by land." This applies to the Caspian Sea as well. Lake Superior is the largest lake in the world, not the Caspian Sea.

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    1. Re:It's a sea because it is salty by GeoGreg · · Score: 2, Informative

      Err, the Caspian Sea is (or is not) a lake just as much as the Great Salt Lake in Utah or the Salton Sea in California are (or are not) lakes. I think most geologists would classify any body of water that is not an arm of the ocean as a lake. So, the Caspian Sea is, IMHO, both a sea and a lake. I wouldn't consider the terms mutually exclusive.

      Also, when you say "largest", you must specify the quantity you are measuring. Are you measuring surface area or volume? For freshwater lakes, Lake Baikal in Russia comes in first for volume ( 23,600 km^3). This is nothing, though, compared to glacial Lake Agassiz in North America: 163,000 km^3 by one estimate! And that was only 8400 years ago.

  11. Re: If it's a natural..... by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Informative


    > The article says that it's more likely to be due to the excessive and wasteful irrigation systems in the area which take water from the rivers that supply the sea.

    Doesn't our own Colorado River now disappear in the sand rather than flowing into the Gulf of California as it once did, as a result of so many people tapping its water?

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  12. Project Seabuster by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    This was when George W Bush was working for his dad on a secret CIA project back in 1986.

    Not wanting to commit things to paper and have them get out through the Freedom of Information Act, the planning went around by word of mouth. Dick Cheney (fresh back from a mission to pollute the canals on Mars) wanted to tell Bush Jr over the phone to get rid of the CCCP (Russian acronym for USSR).

    However, the phone cut off mid-conversation, and all Bush could hear Cheney say was "About Russia? I want you to get rid of the C..."

    Bush took this partial instruction literally, and proceeded to eliminate the smaller of Russia's internal salt seas.

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  13. Re: Bush? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Funny


    > What does Bush or his policies have to do with a sea in Asia that started to disappear 10 years before he came to office?

    Well, we tried to blame it on Clinton but couldn't make it stick because it predates him too. Can we agree on Nixon, or maybe Johnson if someone steps up to defend Nixon's honor?

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  14. Johnson rises by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What was that again? Johnson rises to defend Dick's honor?

  15. Re: If it's a natural..... by RevAaron · · Score: 3, Informative

    That, and the flow is very reduced by that lil thing we call the Hoover Dam.

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  16. Irrigation threatening US water supply by deadgoon42 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The Central US will be running out of water in the next 50 to 100 years because of irrigation. Right now, farmers from Texas to the Dakotas get their water from deep aquifers. The problem is that these aquifers were filled by meltwater from the last ice age and are no longer being replenished. Within the next 50 to 100 years, that water will be gone. Plans are already being discussed to divert the Missouri, Mississippi, and Arkansas rivers so that their waters can be used to continue irrigation in America's breadbasket. This could have devistating effects on water supplies and ecosystems downstream.

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    1. Re:Irrigation threatening US water supply by digitalhermit · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not only the Central US. Florida, surrounded by water, is also having water supply problems. Many people blame the liberal water usage exceptions that are granted to industries such as sugar plantations. They use millions upon millions of gallons of water yet are exempt from many of the regulations to which other companies must adhere. Our aquifer is replenished by rainwater, but salt water intrusion into the aquifer (caused when the fresh water is depleted) essentially makes huge portions of the aquifer unusable.

      Water, water everywhere and not a drop to drink...

  17. Re: If it's a natural..... by Red+Rocket · · Score: 4, Insightful


    That, and the flow is very reduced by that lil thing we call the Hoover Dam.

    ...and that bizarre freak-show called Las Vegas where every casino competes with every other one to see how much water they can waste.

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  18. That's a Small Impact . . . by Red+Rocket · · Score: 3, Interesting


    ...compared to the 1000 miles of streams that have been buried in West Virginia. Not to mention the 15%-25% of southern West Virginia's mountains that have been leveled causing the loss of 300,000 acres of highly productive hardwood forests.
    All so you can have electricity for 3 cents per kilowatt-hour.

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    1. Re:That's a Small Impact . . . by GeoGreg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Those impacts are so different, I don't know how one would compare them. The common theme, though, is that one can't really run a 6-billion person civilization without impacting the natural systems of the planet. Don't like coal? Solar cell manufacturing currently requires the use of heavy metals. Maybe we should build wind turbines all over the place? Well, some people don't like that. Not that I'm saying the effects of coal mining you cite are good, or that we shouldn't try to do better than we do now. Everyone, however, must realize that a technologicially advanced civilization requires energy and materials to run. If you want computers, refrigerators, and hospitals, you have to accept that there will be negative impacts. Since we cannot avoid affecting the environment, we must look at minimizing those impacts.

  19. Logic says by confused+one · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One planet + 6-10 Billion people living in an industrial society = a planet where there is no viable "natural" ecosystem. A population this large is simply going to have an effect on the ecosystem

    We're going to divert rivers. We're going to alter the natural habitats of pretty much all life on the planet. Animal species will go extinct (unless we take the time to specifically preserve each and every one). We're going to change the mixture of gases in the air...

    At some point, everyone is going to have to come to grips with this. The Earth can't support this many people and still exist in it's "Natural" state. The hard part is not screwing it totally up and ending up with a toxic environment.

    Eventually, the land's all going to be either populated area (city / suburb), agricultural, or a managed wildlife "park".

  20. Re: "Leaky Irrigation" In A Watershed? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Informative


    > Is the irrigation surrounding the rivers taking the water out of the sea's watershed? Seems unlikely. The water would just eventually run back into the river and the sea.

    No, much irrigation water is lost to evaporation or to incorporation into the crops.

    Remember that crops, like most other life-forms, are mostly water. So for those little seeds turn into railcar-loads of consumables, all that water has to come from somewhere. Irrigation converts flowing water into money.

    Also, some kinds of irrigation are extremely wasteful in terms of evaporation. Next time you drive through Texas under a blazing sun and see all those endless acres of rice shoots submerged under 6" of water, ask yourself what the evaporation rate must be. The lakes behind big dams also greatly increase the evaporation rate in a drainage system.

    And though what goes up eventually comes down, it might come down half a continent away.

    > I mean, how is water leaking from a poorly-built irrigation system different from the rain that falls right next to it and feeds the rivers and the sea to begin with?

    In general terms, it is distributed differently, which means it can behave differently w.r.t. evaporation etc.

    To make up an illustrative example, suppose you water your lawn to a total of 10" over 10 months, just a little bit every night. Not much runs off, right? But if you get a 10" rain over a couple of days it stacks up faster than it can be absorbed or evaporate, so most of it runs downhill into streams that feed the sea.

    Surely that's not precisely what's happening in Central Asia, but it should call attention to the fact that the way water is distributed in space and time can have a big effect on where it ends up.

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  21. Use better irrigation by superyooser · · Score: 4, Informative
    Believe it or not, this is a desert. It's the Negev in the south of Israel.

    How did they make the desert bloom?

    The most important innovation in coping with scarce water supplies has been drip irrigation. This method of irrigation applies water and nutrients directly to the root of the plant at a controlled rate. See the drip irrigation pipelines. With traditional irrigation, most of the water evaporates from the ditch and is wasted. Drip irrigation uses less water, works with saline water, requires less fertilizer, and produces more crops.

    It was invented in 1965 and has been used all over the world. If those former Soviet republics aren't using it, I suspect the reason is that they don't think they can afford to pay for the equipment. I would say that perhaps they can't afford not to pay for it.

  22. You think war for oil is bad? by Saige · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You think wars for oil are bad?

    Wait until there are wars for water.

    People can live without oil. They may not want to (what would happen to the US without oil?), but they can. Water, however, is a different story.

    I've seen an incredible number of stories about water, water shortages, fights over water rights and irrigation, and such in the past year. As the population of the Earth continues to rise, so does the demand for water. Many of the water supplies currently being used are already being used faster than they can replenish - and they're only going to get more use.

    Eventually areas are going to start having serious water shortages.

    The most wasteful country in the world in terms of water? No suprise, the US. The combination of all the endless golf courses, which is the #1 use of water in the US IIRC, and all those suburban laws, especially in areas they're not supposed to be growing such as the Southwest, and incredible amounts of water are being taken from rivers and aquifers for pretty silly purposes.

    I wonder how long until serious money starts being spent on how to make cost efficient desalinization of ocean water, and better pumping to get the water from coasts to inland. Because there aren't going to be enough sources elsewhere to supply all the water needs at the rate things are going.

    So much water on the planet, and still there seems to not be enough...

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    1. Re:You think war for oil is bad? by WhiteWolf666 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are technological solutions to our rising demand for water.

      No, desalinzation (at least not in the conventional sense), is not one of them.

      New soil polymer technologies are coming along that will drastically reduce the amount of water needed for plants---Imagine a lawn that you only have to water every 3 weeks, even in the southwest.

      Other composite materials actually alter the thermal properities of the soil, increase the rate of air->soil water transfer. Imagine this->Digging resevoirs, filling them with salt water, and the resulting increase in humidity actually alterating the region, creating a microclimate.....

      No, I'm not a soil scientist. But, I'm involved in a company right now that is bringing these new technologies to the market. And best of all, they are all designed to faciliate sustainable, organic farming. All of the component chemicals are organic.

      I'm not certain that I'm allowed to discuss the specifics right now (I'll ask), but we are currently developing a test facility, to show case these technologies, in a water poor area. Irrigating land, entirely from seasonal rain water and ocean salt water. I'm not scientist enough to be able to explain all of this, an I'm not even certain that I'm using the right terminology. But I've read some of our experimental results, and I've seen a lot of our proto-marketing materials.

      Neat, eh?

      The problem with the U.S. now is water management. Not amount of water. We don't collect nearly enough of our rainwater. We use far too much water in our irrigation. We overuse aquarifers, and allow runoff to contaminate our basins.

      There is plenty of water on this planet. Its a question of bringing our water resources to bear in a sustainable fashion.

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  23. For statistical geeks by Flwyd · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Aral sea used to be the 4th largest lake in the world. (Quick quiz: name the top 3.) It's now the 12th largest. (Slower quiz: name the intervening 8.)

    Not only has it lost half its surface area since 1985, it seems to have lost two thirds since 1960. outlines are interesting. I wonder what it's like on that island that's almost a peninsula.

    And while this has little to do with global warming, it's a prescient example of significant human-caused environmental change.

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    1. Re:For statistical geeks by SEE · · Score: 2, Informative

      (PEDANT MODE=ON)

      Since, hydrologically, Lake Michigan and Lake Huron are the same lake with two lobes, the top three are technically the Caspian Sea, Lake Huron-Michigan, and Lake Superior, with Lake Victoria at 4th, and the old Aral Sea at fifth.

      If we instead use the scentifically inaccurate but traditional division of the Huron-Michigan into two bodies, then the order is the Caspian Sea, Lake Superior, Lake Victoria, the (old) Aral Sea at fourth, then Huron and Michigan as fifth and sixth, respectively.

      So, starting from that four or five (after we remove the Aral Sea), the next seven are Tanganyika, Baykal, Great Bear, Nyasa, Great Slave, Erie, and Winnipeg.

      (NB: If you want to be scientifically accurate but still want there to be five Great Lakes, count Lake Nipigon. It's the 32nd-largest lake in the world, and a part of the GL basin, with its waters flowing down into Superior.)

    2. Re:For statistical geeks by ChristTrekker · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am pretty sure that I've read that Lake Baikal is the largest by volume, which is arguably a more accurate way to measure the size of a body of water. It contains almost 25% of the world's fresh water.

      Trivia: what is the claim to fame of Ryan Island? It's the largest island in the largest lake (Siskiwit) on the largest island (Isle Royale) in the largest lake (Superior) in the world. (Assuming you go by surface area and count only freshwater lakes, I guess.)

  24. Re:I think NASA goofed by The+Briguy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The Aral Sea used to be considered freshwater (the salt content was low enough to make the water drinkable) but because of its realitively recent reduction in size, the salt has become concentrated, turning the sea from fresh to salt water.

  25. Re:"Leaky Irrigation" In A Watershed? by orius_khan · · Score: 2
    Have you ever seen the mouth of the Colorado river near Baja California?

    In case you haven't, it's a small stream in a salt-flat. Irrigation projects siphon all of the water out.

    Ummmmmm.... aren't you being a little 'generous' there with your euphemisms? You know, calling the Hoover Dam an "irrigation project"?

    Yes, large-scale irrigation DOES have effects on the surrounding environment. Building a gigantic fucking wall across a river bed does too.

    If you wanted to give an example of out-of-control irrigation drying up a river, why didn't you pick one that didn't have a $175 million dollar government project designed to accomplish that very task??
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  26. Re: If it's a natural..... by skybird0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Nevada's share of the Colorado River water is 1% set in the 1930's. Nevada has never used its entire allotment -- inefficient irrigation of California's Imperial Valley has been using (wasting) the excess. Nevada (and the Las Vegas Valley) has been experiencing the greatest rate of population increase of anywhere in the US. As Nevada's population grows, the allocation must be changed.
    <p>
    As for the "wasting of water" by the casinos, there is an aquifer (underground river) running under the Las Vegas strip. The aquifer water is quite hard and not very good for drinking.
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    Las Vegas means "The Meadows" and was settled because of its natural springs and underground water, a green oasis in the middle of the Mohave Desert.
    <p>
    Next time, learn the facts before you start blathering.

  27. Irony not hypocrisy by W33dz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Having written the oringal post, I need to clarify that I was only pointing out the irony of Mr. Bush hosting an environmental summitt while his government's policies are so obviously ambivalent to the environment. Remember, this is the man who refused to even consider the Kyoto treaty and has opened up MILLIONS of acres of federal land to oil and timber companies. He and many in his administration are ex-oil executives. They made their livelihoods in petrochemicals and are not going to stop now. This is not saying that he is evil. . .it is saying that we need to pay attention to what he does not what he says.

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  28. Hoover dam is not a vacuum cleaner by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 2, Interesting
    A dam can only delay the flow of water, not decrease it indefinately. If the Hoover dam actually decreased the flow of water in the Colorado River, it would eventually overflow. The lake behind it can only hold so much water. What the damn does do is screw up the movements of fish and decrease the temperature of the water.

    In a moving river, the water shallow and warmed by the sun, but in a large resevoir, it get's cold. The river water temp is therefore much colder downstream of the dam which screws with the wildlife.

    Too bad Mexico can't sue the US over taking all the water before it gets to the ocean though...

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    1. Re:Hoover dam is not a vacuum cleaner by rhombic · · Score: 2, Informative

      A couple of points-- in dammed rivers, the water temperature is warmer, not colder, than in the free flowing river pre-dam (except maybe in the immediate vicinitity of the dam). See this report on the columbia river warming as an example. Dams slow the river, slow==warm. The warmer water has a dramatic effect on the wildlife, just in another direction.

      As far as the water loss, the dams make it possible to use the water from the seasonal floods year round for irrigation. If you take water from a large single channel (i.e. a river) and spread it out over a vast area (i.e. millions of acres of farmland), your loss due to evaporation is going to be hellacious. That's why the colorado is a trickle when it hits the sea of cortez, and the area around it is an incredible salt desert.

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  29. Re:Valuable ecosystem by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Though now, I bet if you lived next to the stinky rotten fish and brine shrimp salt lake, you couldn't wait for it to go away. I wonder who owns the land after a lake dries up?

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  30. Not Natural by kalidasa · · Score: 2, Informative

    There's a long section in the Economist about two weeks ago on the Central Asian Republics with one article that talks about the politics of water there. The Aral Sea is drying up because the irrigations systems of the countries along the rivers that feed it are horrendously inefficient, and because the water system as a whole in the region is poorly managed. Unfortunately, with one megalomaniacal ruler in Turkmenistan, and a whole host of other political solipsists in the region, this isn't likely to change in the near future.