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Disposable Digital Cameras Have Arrived

damiangerous writes "American chain Ritz camera has begun offering disposable digital cameras for $10.99. The price includes 4x6" prints and a Photo CD of the camera's 25 photo memory. Pictures can be deleted, but there's no LCD."

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  1. It's not disposable... it's reusable. by JohnGrahamCumming · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not _disposable_ it's _reusable_. The camera is returned to a
    Ritz Camera store where the pictures inside are downloaded to a CD
    or printed. The camera itself is kept by Ritz and recycled to another
    customer. In other words your $10.99 is a _rental_ of the camera
    with processing of the pictures included in the rental price.

    There's a picture of one of these cameras here.

    The USA Today article has some more details
    on the camera and its use including the fact that it is likely to be sold at Walgreens
    and Walt Disney theme parks (seems like a good idea to me).

    The camera has a 2-megapixel sensor.

    John.

    1. Re:It's not disposable... it's reusable. by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Hmmm. I suppose that it could be cheaper than film alternatives, but I want more and in the long run, an investment in my Canon digital camera will be cheaper while giving me more control.

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    2. Re:It's not disposable... it's reusable. by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Any bets that the're using a modified USB port, or using 802.11b?

      I have a feeling these suckers'll be hacked faster than a Cue:Cat .

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    3. Re:It's not disposable... it's reusable. by soundnfury · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course, you could throw it out. Then it'd be disposable. Well, disposed....of.

    4. Re:It's not disposable... it's reusable. by timmyd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The camera costs $10.99, which includes a set of 4-by-6-inch prints, an index print showing thumbnails of all 25 shots, and a photo CD, allowing for further home or commercial printing. The CD also contains Mac and PC software for viewing, saving, printing or e-mailing photos, which need not be installed in the user's computer.

      I'm trying to figure out what keeps the user from permanently "renting" this camera (downloading the pics to the computer and then deleting them off camera). Anyone want to fill me in?

    5. Re:It's not disposable... it's reusable. by drdanny_orig · · Score: 5, Funny
      I'm trying to figure out what keeps the user from permanently "renting" this camera (downloading the pics to the computer and then deleting them off camera).

      The DMCA, maybe?
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    6. Re:It's not disposable... it's reusable. by Funkitup · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What occurs is that hiring of decent digital cameras might well become commonplace as well. Let's face it how often do you use your camera? Why not just hire one while you go on holiday? You pay a deposit, the hire fee includes insurance, and everybody's happy.

      It would be interesting if that wasn't a good business model.

  2. More recyclable than disposable... by zeoslap · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Seems pretty cool although disposable is a bit of a misnomer because they are really just recyclable, not like Ritz is throwing all the bits in the trash after processing them.

    Not being able to review the pics instantly is a drag too as its one of the main reasons I like using digicams (well that and not having photo guy check out my, um, arty pics) and I'm also a little dubious of their claims that a 2 megapixel camera can give you decent prints at 8x10, all that being said having a self timer is neat and I'm sure they'll be pretty popular.

    In fact thinking about the recycling a bit more, I wonder if you could ever grab somebodies old pics off of a recycled unit.... I know you can recover deleted pics from a normal digicams media.... Something to think about.. :)

  3. I wonder if you could snag other peoples pics by zeoslap · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Depending on how they recyle these I wonder if it would be possible to recover other peoples pics from the reused memory card ?

    1. Re:I wonder if you could snag other peoples pics by netsharc · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was about to say "they probably don't have any customer accessible ports, because when people can download the pictures, they can just do that and then reuse, instead of returning, the camera", but this is slashdot, the screws won't stop us. So I do wonder how Ritz plans to stop people from cracking the cameras open, download the pictures, and reuse them indefinitely, depriving them (Ritz) of profit?

      Encryption? Proprietary image format? (Did they manage to persuade a digital camera manufacturer to design a new chip, for what price?)

      Oh wait, but but it doesn't necessarily need memory cards, most (usually cheaper) cameras offer on-board memory, I'm guessing that's what they probably have. It'll be pretty hard trying to get access to what's in that RAM chip soldered to the PCB. That and a proprietary plug should stop a lot of people.

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    2. Re:I wonder if you could snag other peoples pics by Xerithane · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I was about to say "they probably don't have any customer accessible ports, because when people can download the pictures, they can just do that and then reuse, instead of returning, the camera", but this is slashdot, the screws won't stop us. So I do wonder how Ritz plans to stop people from cracking the cameras open, download the pictures, and reuse them indefinitely, depriving them (Ritz) of profit?

      2 minute thought on this: Have an RFID tag with a key that emits to the camera. If the camera doesn't sense that, and the case-removal screws are taken out erase the pictures. If the RFID key doesn't match a checksum, erase the pictures.

      You could even, rather easily, destroy the hardware after deleting the pictures.

      I think this would be rather silly to do, but it's possible. You just have to make it more expensive to hack a single camera than it is to buy a real camera. If the station for unloading cost $200 in parts, they still make a profit (many cameras to one base station) but the user would take a hit spending $210.99 for a 2mp digital camera with no LCD.

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  4. How long until... by piku · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...we have over 200 posts here all asking the question, "How long until someone figures out a way to hack this camera?"

  5. Missing the Point by imaro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While its is undoubtably possible that I am the one missing the point, it sure seems like Ritz is off its rocker. The major benefit of digital camera IS the lcd screen. The whole point is to take pictures that you are certain will be good. While the concept is coming, and it sure is fun to delete things randomly (which is exactly what you would be doing with the delete feature), I think there is a lot more ground that needs to be covered before I'll be picking this over a different disposable camera that is cheaper and has comes with a free photo cd.

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  6. Re:I'd love to know more by switcha · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And now you can delete bad shots

    Doesn't this seem like a bit of a semi-useless feature? Most of my bad shots, I can't even tell are bad until I get 'em on my laptop. There's a couple I can decide to delete just from the camera's screen, but I'd say that with most of my bad shots, I didn't know they sucked when I took the shot.

    So without a preview (review?) unless someone walks in front of you right as you take the shot, or some other way you know it's screwed up, it's just like a disposable film camera, in that you pay out the nose, only to get your shots back and have 2/3 stink.

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  7. Re:This is Great! by gaijin99 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Always someone out there looking to steal I suppose. Would not life be easier for the society as a whole if people voted with their earned dollars rather than stealing? Seriously, it's sad that this is the first thing that some folks think of when a product like this comes out. "how can we steal this thing?".

    Nonsense. They are advertising this as a disposable camera. When I buy a disposable camera at a store I am under absolutely no obligation to return the camera. I can keep it, or develop the film myself, or any number of other things.

    The article didn't say that the cameras were rented (meaning a rental agreement, a promise to return the camera, etc) though it may be an ommission on the writer's part. If they are sold like disposable cameras than I see nothing either illegal or immoral about buying one and using it in a manner the seller didn't intend me to.

    If I rent a digital camera (which sounds like a pretty good thing to try actually) I'd be under obligtaitons to return it, not to mess with its innards, and so forth.

    This is exactly like MS selling the X-Box below production price and then whining when people use their legally purchased hardware in a way that MS doesn't like. There is absolutely no legal or moral obligation to support a business model that doesn't work.

    If its a purchase, not a rental, than it can't be stealing to use it any way I want to.

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  8. More information and pictures here by jonhuang · · Score: 5, Informative

    What it says. looks like a fairly small camera, flash, plastic, "Dakota" brand?

  9. PKI = unhackable by dcgrigsby · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If I were building these things, I'd do it like so:

    Each camera has a UUID -- a universally unique identifier, like a MAC address.

    Before sending the camera out, I'd create a pair of public/private keys. I store the public key on the camera, the private key at the camera store (or centrally, whatever, so long as it can be retrieved later during processing).

    When the camera takes a shot, it is stored *only after being encrypted* using the public key.

    When the camera comes back for processing, the private key is retrieved (thanks to the UUID) and used to decrypt the images.

    W/O the private key, the data retrieved is worthless. Generate a new key set before sending it out again.

    This being the case, I'd use standard USB or IRDA or whatever and not worry about people violating my rights by reverse engineering the system.


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  10. Is it... by macemoneta · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...hacked yet?
    No!

    Is it hacked yet?
    No!

    Is it hacked yet?
    No!

    Is it hacked yet?
    Fine! Yes, it's hacked! Are you happy now?

    Does it run Linux yet?
    Arrrrgh!

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  11. 35mm is cheaper and better then digital by debugdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's hard to decide whether I want to moderate or post...
    Coming from an ex-Ritz camera employee, if you want to go through the work of engineering all of that, printing them out and all the rest of that work Ritz does, it will cost you more (in time and materials) then it will to have Ritz do it in 1 hour.
    Then again you will spend less money and get better quality images if you buy a 35mm disposable camera (about $5 for 24 exp)and then get them to burn you a CD at 1600x1200 resolution (1.92 mega pixel equiv.) for ~12 dollars.

    just my opinion

    dave