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Florida Citizens' Anti-trust Payout Dwarfed By Lawyers'

According to Robin "Roblimo" Miller's article on NewsForge, Florida residents are receiving word by electronic and postal mail about the likely outcome of that state's class action suit against Microsoft (last mentioned on Slashdot last September): the upshot is that Florida residents who purchased a Microsoft operating system or Microsoft Office would be eligible for a settlement payment (in vouchers) of $5-12; the lawyers involved are seeking $48 million in fees. The settlement terms have several interesting clauses; for instance, by accepting, you would be agreeing to "settle and release all claims, demands, actions, suits, and causes of action against Microsoft and/or its directors, officers, employees, attorneys, insurers or agents, whether known or unknown, asserted or unasserted, that any member of the Florida Settlement Class ever had, could have had, now has or hereafter can, shall or may have, relating in any way to ... any conduct, act or omission that was or could have been alleged in this case as the basis for any antitrust or unfair competition claims."

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  1. What's the point of these suits? by AdamHaun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The people *never* get any sort of reasonable payout from these sorts of lawsuits. I don't know why anyone even signs on. Is there a way to file suit against class action lawyers for abusing their clients?

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    1. Re:What's the point of these suits? by aborchers · · Score: 5, Interesting
      The people *never* get any sort of reasonable payout from these sorts of lawsuits


      Don't be so sure. I got ~$300 in merchandise vouchers (third-party stuff, not just Toshiba hardware, though of course it came through their catalog so the actual "damages" to them were probably half that) from just such a settlement against Toshiba a few years back.

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    2. Re:What's the point of these suits? by LaCosaNostradamus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Class actions lawsuits are the job programs for lawyers, just like NASA is a jobs program for the aerospace industry.

      Each member of the class gets a pittance, since usually the larger the claimed class, the more "clout" (define that as you will) wielded by the prosecution team. This is especially true with a low-Human-impact crime, like overcharging.

      The end product is the same ... the lawyers, lawyer teams, and law firms get hefty cash compensation, while the class members get compensation that is usually so intellectually insulting that it's not worth wiping your arse with the resulting paperwork token. I recall the AOL class actions and their outcomes ... truly, they were poster children for this kind of thing.

      I consider this kind of thing almost essentially out of the hands of the public. The lawyers have figured out how to ride to wealth on the backs of widespread small offences. I'd suggest that for a fix I'd say whyyyy there oughta be a law ... but we all know that it would be left up to lawyers to place restrictions on the behavior of their own class, which seldom occurs to any meaningful degree. You may as well expect a police review board to be critical about cops shooting people; they just don't do that since there is no dissenting viewpoint in the oversight mechanism to begin with.

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    3. Re:What's the point of these suits? by sjames · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Exactly how were these people abused the laywers?

      Well, let's see, first of all, they didn't necessarily sign on at all, they are simply potential members of the class (that is, they are believed to live in Florida and have bought something from MS between 1995 and 2002) who may or may not have even known about the suit. In other words, it's a sort of opt-out legal spam.

      One might expect a lawyer to seek just compensation for his client(s) for genuine harm done by the defendant (the fact that the 'clients' don't even get a choice until after the fact only increases that duty). Instead, either through the lawyer's incompetance or simple greed (note that the lawyers get paid in real money), they get what amounts to an advertising flyer in the guise of a court document. It's not even a really GOOD sale offer. I get better offers than that from the pizza place. MS might as well write it off as an advertising expense. What sort of settlement is THAT supposed to be?

      In other words, this is the FIRST chance they've gotten to not participate, now that it's practically over and done.

  2. I am still waiting for my check from the RIAA by Crashmarik · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I signed up for payout from the settlement for cd price fixing. I still haven't seen a dime. I doubt I ever will. In case it hasn't become very obvious, class actions are little more than gigantic bribes to law firms.

  3. Re:Is this some sort of late April Fools' Day joke by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 4, Interesting
    The story mentions "Windows 3.2". There was no Windows 3.2...

    Are you sure? I guess it was Chinese only, but technically Windows 3.2.

  4. Judgements/settlements should be a percentage... by kcbrown · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Notice how often a judgement is either outrageously high or outrageously low?

    Seems to me that the real problem is that the judgements are always in terms of dollar amounts. $200 million is a big chunk of cash to almost everyone -- except Microsoft. To Microsoft, $200 million is nothing, half a percent of the amount of money they have in the bank.

    Similarly, the little guys often get judgements against them that are tiny in comparison to $200 million, but which easily bankrupt them because they aren't Microsoft -- they're just normal people with normal incomes (if that).

    None of this would be a problem if judgements (and settlements) were forced to be expressed in terms of the percentage of the worth of the target. An individual who is forced to pay, say, 20% of their total worth in a judgement or settlement would be hurt pretty badly by it, but they'd almost certainly survive. And the same is true of a huge entity like Microsoft. But the dollar values would be much different. $20K (for instance) against the individual, and something like $20 billion against Microsoft. But those amounts would yield roughly the same effect, and it's the effect that's important in any judgement or settlement.

    The bottom line is that, in my opinion, the people who judge these settlements or who create these judgements simply don't think properly about the problem. They're focused on the amounts and not the effects.

    That's to be expected in a money-driven society, I suppose...

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  5. Hmm - that sounds great! by RevMike · · Score: 4, Interesting
    the legal firms in such a case to charge full rate for the entire effort is obscene. Their profit on such cases should be capped at something reasonable, like 5-20% of their actual costs (filing fees, supporting research, etc. and not the lawyer's time. Their time is what the percentage is to cover, not double-dipping as both an hourly employee and as a profit-sharing partner of the firm.)

    I have a great business deal for you.

    You give me $10,000 and 1000 hours of work over the next 2 years. If the deal doesn't work out you get nothing. But if it does work out, I'll give you between $10,500 and $12,000 back.

    Doesn't that sound great? It doesn't? Then why would you expect a lawyer to go for it? Your system means that no attorneys will take the risk, and so MS pays no penalty and the citizens of Florida don't even get their $12.