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AMD Buys Pre-VIA Cyrix Media-GX Division

An anonymous reader writes "A long time ago, in what feels like a different universe, Cyrix created the first sub-$1000 PC based on a 2 chip solution called the Media-GX. Soon after National Semiconductor bought Cyrix, keeping the Media-GX team and selling the 686MX team to VIA. In the meantime, the Media-GX team have created the a series of single chip PCs, and a totally new CPU, the GX2. Now National Semiconductor is selling the division to AMD, which should give it a higher profile and better fab technology again." Reader jlouderb reminds us of National Semiconductor's Device Girls promotion, "a lame take-off on the Spice Girls," and points to coverage at eWeek of the purchase.

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  1. Old school by mao+che+minh · · Score: 5, Informative
    Speaking of old CPUs: Memory lane of old CPUs

    It even has a picture of the Media-GX in there.

  2. Reminds me of something else... by goldspider · · Score: 4, Funny
    "Reader jlouderb reminds us of National Semiconductor's Device Girls promotion, 'a lame take-off on the Spice Girls,'"

    Am I the only one who thought of "Device Girls" as those unenlightened females who prefer various mechanical devices over us virile geeks?

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  3. Re:Device Girls by Tumbleweed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, I wanna know where they are now. Where's the E! True Hollywood Story on the Device Girls? Are they in pr0n, yet? :)

    USB Spice
    FireWire Spice
    Gigabit Spice
    mini-ITX Spice

    Mmmmm.

  4. Possible purpose by crow · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Perhaps what AMD wants is not their CPU, but the stuff that they've integrated in with it to create a single-chip PC. In a year or so, we might see a single-chip system based on one of the AMD processors.

    1. Re:Possible purpose by RevRigel · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You can already get single chip systems based on their IA chips if you're doing embedded development: Kontron's X-Board, which just came out. We're using a Kontron PC/104 board with a standalone Geode on it right now and it's the most rock solid board I've ever used. The X-board is going to make our next revision incredibly small, low power, and inexpensive.

      Although, I have to wonder what this will do the ZFMicrosystems lawsuit against National. Basically, ZFMicro was started by the original founder of Ampro, which originated the popular PC/104 standard, and integrated a 586 processor core with a bunch of peripherals into the ZFx86, a neat little cheap (I have an MZ104 from Tri-m Systems that uses it. Squeezes a slackware distro into a 6.8MB file on a flash chip). Unfortunately, ZFMicro used National as their foundry and for some of their last-line development. So National got access to schematics and layout info for the chip, instead of just masks. National then proceeded to steal it and integrate the Geode proc they bought from Cyrix with some on-chip peripherals in the same way, and then put ZFMicro out of business by refusing to ship any more ZFx86s.

    2. Re:Possible purpose by swordboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Perhaps what AMD wants is not their CPU, but the stuff that they've integrated in with it to create a single-chip PC.

      Well... that is the only logical conclusion. ARM has taken the portable world because X86 compatibility isn't important there. It will be some time before AMD can afford to put an entire Athlon system on a chip but it will eventually happen. Now they just need to buy a graphics chip designer like AMD or nVidia.

      Can you imagine the bandwidth between CPU and video? A 2048-bit bus between video and CPU wouldn't be a problem if you put it all on the same chip, not to mention the reduction in latentcy with the memory interface.

      Maybe the nVidia/AMD relationship ala NForce is a sign of what is to come?

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    3. Re:Possible purpose by William+Tanksley · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you remember the interview with Chuck Moore (of Forth fame) a while back, he was promoting a chip kinda like this. 25 CPUs all on one chip (5x5), with a grid of 18-bit busses, 5 each way, connecting them all to each other horizontally and vertically. He hadn't built any, but based on his previous chips at much larger scales, he was estimating about 2400MHz maximum bus input latency; with 10 independant busses, that means an upper bound of 10*2400M*18=432,000Mbps internal.

      Of course, that's all noise -- none of the chips would have time to do real work :-), nor to listen for any of that "information". But the sheer magnitude of the number is a bit staggering. But anyhow, yes, on-chip busses are pretty fun.

      Oh, latest rumor: he took the 25x page down because he'd found a buyer. Very little other info available.

      -Billy

  5. In a galexy far, far away by 7x7 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I bought a montherboard with a 166+ 686 CPU from Cyrix. It worked better and lasted longer than the Gateway pentium 166 boxes we had at work. Alas, my rommate spilled a pot of coffee on the bugger and it died with a POP, a SNAP and a SIZZLE. From what I learned, there were two versions of that chip. Version 1 overheated a lot, but if you kept it cool it was fine. Verion 2 didn't overheat, but flaked and flaked and flaked until you wanted to beat it with a bat. My sis wanted a box and I got her a $199 PC with a Cyrix MII 333 chip a few years later. Mistake. 'nuf said. End of my Cyrix experience.

  6. AMD Using Geode to Lower Opteron/Athlon64 Power by reporter · · Score: 5, Insightful
    AMD is buying the 80x86 division of National Semiconductor (NSM) in order to obtain the embedded 80x86 technology and employee talent for lowering the power consumption of Opteron and Athlon64. The AMD 80x86 processors have generally run hotter than Intel 80x86 processors. Since AMD is in a brutal competition with Intel for marketshare, AMD must quickly improve its competitive position.

    AMD will not use the 80x86 division of NSM to create a 80x86 embedded processor. 80x86 chips fare poorly in the embedded market, which is dominated by ARM.

    1. Re:AMD Using Geode to Lower Opteron/Athlon64 Power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      wow that is utter bullcrap.

      ARM processors are very tiny nitche of the embedded market. Most embedded systems use 68HC Motorola processors and if they need more power X86 Based because of the flexibility of RTDOS and RTLinux.

      Go ahead, fine me a PC-104 ARM based board. gee why does most of the embedded system tha mean a damn like industrial control/ flight systems and automation NOT use ARM??

      because embedded = a whole helluva lot more than the crappy PDA toy market.

  7. This headline has so many acronyms... by Savatte · · Score: 3, Funny

    that with a few changes, it would be as if somebody forgot to turn caps lock off.

  8. Stating the obvious? by hndrcks · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Does AMD's purchase of low-power technology have anything to do with this?

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  9. Re:Device Girls by tuffy · · Score: 3, Funny
    USB Spice FireWire Spice Gigabit Spice mini-ITX Spice

    Don't forget PSpice.

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  10. Good tech by afidel · · Score: 3, Funny

    I remember Alan Cox stating that he was using a Media-GX based system to write and test the soundblaster layer for linux because the media-GX was a better fit to the SB standard then any of Creatives then current chips. He reasoned that if he could get closer to the origional standard then most clones would work, and aparantly he was right =)

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  11. Most stable, works with any card, best system ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Is an AMD K6-III (not K6-III+) 400 MHz 2.0 v processor, on an FIC VA-503+ mother board, which runs a VIA chip set, of course.

    In terms of uptimes on my samba file server and NAT box, in terms of working with whatever card I shoved in it (BIOS upgrades for the newer stuff, of course), in terms of working with cheap shitty memory (after slowing the PC-100 RAM to 95 MHz), it just works. I have a stacks of junk Intel shit that works great until I actually wanted to put a Promise RAID card in it, works great until except you can't put a PCI video card in the first PCI slot, it has to be the second, works great except that it doesn't work great. It sucks.

    The ABIT KT7 with an Athlon or Duron approached the VA-503 / K6 combo in flexibility. I like those. Above that, getting into the 2 GHz and up boards and chips, nothing stands up to my standard of "working". Anytime you try to do something slightly weird (plug in several USB cards, and use the built-in, to load dozens of USB key chains at once with demo crap to be passed out as doorprizes at a conference, for example) something just doesn't work, you start fiddling, and next thing you know it is 7 pm and you are calling you wife telling her not to expect you in before midnight.

    People at work make fun of my bench with 4 VA-503+'s in their ancient AT cases, and my stack of spare 503 boards in cardboard boxes. But they don't complain when I get shit done on time.

    I'm looking forward to the next really reliable setup. What I would like to do is discover a cheap mini-ITX with that slow-ass VIA C3 chip on it that was cheap and low powered enough that I could just have dozens of them, esentially haveing a separate computer for each little task. I doubt it however. It just shifts a lot of problematic issues over to the network configuration.

  12. Ireland? Israel? Third World? by meehawl · · Score: 3, Interesting
    It would give as much capacity as Intel who owns FABs in third world countries.
    Next time you're visiting the Intel fabs in Ireland or Israel, why not loudly let some local people know your opinion of their countries as "third world"? Don't worry about healing your extensive injuries afterwards though, because both these countries have an amazing, free healthcare system that makes the US look, well, kind of "third-worldish".

    Where are the world's Fabs?
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  13. Not just video! by MarcQuadra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But there's more! it's not just video on the CPU, it's the north AND south bridges! The CPU, GPU, memory controller, PCI controller, and who-knows-what-else are on this bad-boy! I've been wanting this sort of thing for a long time!

    I understand that the price will be longer development cycles and raw performance, but there are a LOT of uses for machines based on this type of thinking. Imagine how inexpensive PCs based on this type of thing could get, and how little power they would require! If managers get their heads around the idea of centralized computing again (as they should in the office) we're going to see huge demand for inexpensive fast-enough graphical terminals.

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