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Novell Not Dumping Netware

jerel writes "eWeek describes how Novell will still develop and support NetWare. The eWeek article quotes Bruce Lowry, a top spokesman for Novell as saying, 'The bottom line is no. The whole thing with Linux is an additive thing. We're not dumping NetWare, we're adding Linux.' NetWare 7.0 will allow users to either upgrade to the latest version of the NetWare kernel or move to Linux." I guess this answers any lingering doubts going around.

113 comments

  1. I guess that *BSD isn't dying as well? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Or is it shifting to linux too?

  2. still relevant. by sirmikester · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but from IBM, to Oracle and now Novell, Linux is keeping these old hat computer businesses relevant. I think its a mistake for Novell to keep Netware around, they should just focus on developing for the linux kernel. If they continue developing for both platforms the quality of each will suffer.

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    1. Re:still relevant. by segment · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Linux is keeping these old hat computer businesses relevant.

      This would be an Open Source-o-files dream come true if it were true, but IBM probably makes more money off of legacy applications and there hardware products than they would by anything Linux could offer them.

      I think its a mistake for Novell to keep Netware around, they should just focus on developing for the linux kernel.

      There are plenty of corporations around the world which would still support purchasing and using Netware, so I wouldn't see why they would just flat out trash it. Maybe make some significant modifications, but it wouldn't make sense for any company to throw away something still generating revunue. Novell has been around for sometime which means they're doing something right.

      If they continue developing for both platforms the quality of each will suffer.

      Disagree. By developing with both, they might just be able to tweak their own product to a dominant force which may not be a good thing should they do so. That would obviously mean after a while they would not need Linux anymore now would they.

      ======== Article Despite Novell's firm and frequent statements concerning continued development and support for NetWare, discussion of Novell's Linux strategy invariably leads to concern over Novell's NetWare commitment. Let us put those concerns to rest.

      Personally I feel Netware is likely to make some major modifications over the next few months in order to tweak Netware into something that may catch the eyes of many businesses. Netware isn't something that we use at home, so I notice that a majority of posters here are a bit blind to Netware, and are rather making odd comments on it. For those who have used it at work, or at school somewhere, you would know it has its pros and cons. With Linux in the mix now, hopefully Novell can make some form of comeback from its mid 90's WOW! phase.

    2. Re:still relevant. by big-magic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I really doubt Novell will drop Netware any time soon. For the hardcore Netware shops, I could see them supporting it for many years to come. Of course, the price will probably rise over time. If you call HP/Compaq, you can still buy VMS and Himalaya (operating system from Tandem, which they bought several years ago). They are pretty expensive. But HP is still making money from them. Netware can probably occupy a profitable niche market for many years to come.

    3. Re:still relevant. by TheRealRamone · · Score: 2

      0h rubbish -

      targeting multiple platforms encourages better software design and uncovers flaws and weaknesses that might get swept under the rug, so to speak, or ignored in a monoculture.

      the quality of software which has been ported to a diverse group of compilers / frameworks / runtimes should improve, not suffer.

      would it be so much better to restrict system software choice to linux than, say nt? and what about code forks (which are not a problem in the nt world)?

      --TRR

    4. Re:still relevant. by Kenneth · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think its a mistake for Novell to keep Netware around, they should just focus on developing for the linux kernel.

      Most likely they are hedging their bet with the SCO thing. Sure SCO doesn't appear to have a case, TO US! But how often have we been flat out suprised by court decisions? Continuing to develop on both platforms does two things. It makes their business viable should SCO win. They can simply drop Linux and go back to NetWare, and two and more importantly, it makes it look to the stockholders that they are being prepared for the future should SCO win, thus 'enhancing shareholder value'.

      As for the quality of each suffering, I doubt it. If they're smart, they'll develop the kernels seperatly, and make the system and application software useful for either. That way, should SCO loose, they can move over to a Linux kernel, and be able to use it as a drop in replacement, on the other hand, should SCO win, they can drop Linux, and all of the software people had could be used with a Netware variant. I'm not sure what that would take, but that's what I would aim for were I in their position.

      Remember, if sharholders can prove by a perpodereance of the evidence that decisions you made as CEO or board, were less than optimal given the information you had, you can be sued. Playing both for a while seems like the safest bet. It means that the shareholders might not make as much as they could have, on the other hand, Novell has protected them by increasing the likelihood of the companie's continued existence no matter the outcome of the SCO thing.

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  3. SCO's suites are Irrelevant by billstr78 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I read today that Oracle was continuing to speed ahead with it's internal Linux deployment and full commitment to Linux support in thier products. Nobody but those being sued seem phased by these feeble attempts of SCO to squash a very powerfull penguin.

    1. Re:SCO's suites are Irrelevant by billstr78 · · Score: 1

      Heh, I guess the Oracle story is on /. too... I had'nt even noticed that when I hurried to reply to this story (with not much to say :))

    2. Re:SCO's suites are Irrelevant by FuckMeter · · Score: 0, Funny
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  4. Dividing resources without making more money by 3770 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They aren't going to make more money by dividing their development resources between Netware and Linux. So there will be less development work done on Netware.

    They are saying this to try to calm their customers so that they "abandon" netware as slowly as possible, giving Novell time to build up a platform and revenue stream based on Linux.

    It is simple business strategy and it is very transparent.

    Don't just accept what they say. Read between the lines.

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    1. Re:Dividing resources without making more money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      00 - learn binary
      01 - use my l337 h4x0r skillz
      10 - ?????
      11 - pr0f17!!!!!

    2. Re:Dividing resources without making more money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww.. You're *TRYIN* aweful hard to troll, aren't you. I bet this is your first attempt after you read the /. trolling HOWTO v.0.65, huh.

      j00 r a fro0td1ck.

    3. Re:Dividing resources without making more money by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not at all.

      Not all companies are Microsoft, because not all companies can afford --or are in a position to-- treat their customers with disdain.

      I can't imagine it just doesn't make good, bottom dollar, good business sense to treat your customers with respect -- especially if you don't hold their data hostage, and actually have to fight for them. You have to worry about the *next* sale, and making customers happy (that is, unless you're a monopoly ... grrr!).

      I don't know what Novell plans to do -- but saying with certainty that a company is unwilling to bite into profits (probably not much either, not in the long run) to make a long term investment is naive. Piss of your customers now, and who cares how great your upcoming Linux solution is.

    4. Re:Dividing resources without making more money by Chris_Keene · · Score: 1

      " They aren't going to make more money by dividing their development resources between Netware and Linux. So there will be less development work done on Netware."

      Not true as far as I see it. Most of the Novell services will sit on top of netware or linux, this will be the same code. It's just which OS sits underneath that will be different. This is like Oracle running on Linux or Solaris. The only difference being that in Novell's case, one of the OS is in-house.

      cjk

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    5. Re:Dividing resources without making more money by 3770 · · Score: 1

      Hahaha...

      This is wonderful.

      Sir, you obviously belong in the group that doesn't understand binary numbers.

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  5. Just the users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    So I guess it's just Novell users who are dumping NetWare, isn't it?

    1. Re:Just the users by Angry+Pixie · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, Novell's dumping NetWare... they just don't realize it yet. It's like Bruce Willis in The Sixth Sense, he doesn't know he's dead.

    2. Re:Just the users by geomon · · Score: 1

      Damn it!!

      I haven't seen that movie yet!

      Shit!!

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  6. No brainer. by -tji · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is not too surprising.. They have a ton of Netware devices installed, and a lot of administrators intimately familiar with those Netware devices. There's no way they could do a flash cut. Even if they wanted to completely drop the "legacy" Netware stuff, it would take them years to migrate all their customers.

    1. Re:No brainer. by Stephen+Samuel · · Score: 1
      They have a ton of Netware devices installed, and a lot of administrators intimately familiar with those Netware devices. There's no way they could do a flash cut.

      Yeah, Only Microsoft would do something that stupid (and maybe SCO, but I wouldn't put anything past SCO these days).

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  7. Re:Phew by fussman · · Score: 0

    or the eight school districts (not counting Canada) either

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  8. My thought by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I do not think it would be good to take a total flying leap off into the unknown. Novell is smart at least to have some sort of transition period. Releasing a linux-based version of their service software is a great idea, but Netware has existing mindshare and customers. (At the least, those customers will want to ensure they will continue to get indefinite support.) I'm sure they just want the linux software to prove itself. I'm sure it will-- for new installations, a linux install with all of novell's edirectory and everything looks very attractive, and i expect people to flock to it. I imagine that once they see the Linux-novell-thing is taking off, they'll decided it's proved itself and put more and more resources into it as it gets bigger. Eventually Netware will fall into maintainence mode, and there will be only Linux for the thrust of their development.

    I can't imagine Novell ever ceasing at least to continue doing hardware support updates for Netware. Novell's biggest attraction in these last few years after WinNT's taken over is that you can install Netware once and train your support staff for it, and then never have to use anything else ever again. It will end that, and screw their corporate reputation, if they suddenly announce "yeah, after now if you want to do new instals, you'll have to learn to use linux." I'm sure most of novell's current customers will migrate to linux all willingly and such, but forcing them to is not at all a smart move by novell.

    I mean, Novell's core *base* at this point, or at least it seems from where i'm sitting, is those uber-uber-uber-conservative-purchasing-department situations.. Novell's mostly got mindshare around the people who still consider *NT* unproven. How comfortable would these people be with Novell suddenly offering *only* a new linux-based product?

    That said, the linux netware-y thing should rock.

    1. Re:My thought by aaarrrgggh · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Netware has its places. NT still can't do things that are important for file and print servers. It just works.

      If the core benefits of NetWare existed on a Linux platform, nothing would keep companies from jumping at it. The truth is that many of these things (SALVAGE being my favorite) aren't as mature in any of the competitors yet.

      People keep NetWare boxes for a LONG time. That alone is a good reason to maintain their own kernel... it makes it comfortable for when that time does come around to upgrade every 6-10 years.

    2. Re:My thought by rsax · · Score: 1
      If the core benefits of NetWare existed on a Linux platform, nothing would keep companies from jumping at it.

      For the benefit of myself and maybe other readers here who don't have experience with NetWare could you (or anyone else) please point out what these benefits are? Besides the cost of migrating old NetWare installations to newer solutions, what other reason do people have to still stick with that platform? And if you're feeling really generous then how about listing some cons along with the pros too.

  9. I can see their reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Novell exec #1: hrm. we're going well as a company, and all's stable. can we do anything to improve our lot?
    Novell exec #2: not really. everything we've planned is working out as it should and we're on track to continue that way
    Novell exec #1: damn. how about we put a bit more emphasis on linux, just to piss SCO off
    Novell exec #2: now you're talking!

    1. Re:I can see their reasoning. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Novell exec #3: ???
      Novell exec #4: PROFIT!!

  10. In other news... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Novell denies allegations that they ever were affiliated with Netware.

    "No, no no. You've got it all wrong. We're the ones with that .NET thing," spokesman Bob Randolph was quoted as saying late Thursday.

  11. But SCO said... by CB-in-Tokyo · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...that when I bought their license for linux they were throwing in the IP for Netware for free!! Lying bastards!

    1. Re:But SCO said... by zonix · · Score: 1

      Not to worry! You still get IPX. :-)

      z
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  12. Re:Microsoft=shift_innovation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    SQL server 200X is better than oracle/mysql (pathetic)/whatever.
    Yes, it is. Please, let us know what site you are running with SQL Server. Please tell me that you have credit cards on it. oh yeah baby. Well, you don't have to tell us. I can find out on my own, once you let me know who you are. Admit it people, Microsoft has crushed us.
    Crushed us??? you mean crushed you. Doing just fine here. Think I will stay down this path.

  13. Netware keeps it simple. by x.Draino.x · · Score: 5, Insightful

    At my company we just recently rolled out some new Novell software. It's all web based and very easy to use. When I first joined the company I had not worked much with Novell and thought of it as archaic. Even with age, Netware is a good product that makes Window's box's easy to manage. I am happy to here about the Linux integration and Ximian addition. Now I can get my Linux and Novell administration too!

  14. Darn 386 finally conked out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We might aswell upgrade the Netware aswell

  15. Dear Netware, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I thought we talked about this.
    It's over, you're just too possessive.
    I hope we can stay good friends.

    Sincerely,
    Novell

  16. UnixWare by conway · · Score: 5, Informative
    Novell has already tried this unix strategy with Unixware. They purchased the original unix team from USL (Unix System Labs), (which was there from AT&T) and had them work on Unixware.
    It turned out however, that the Novell sales team only knew how to sell Netware, and Unixware got nowhere. (Wow, that almost rhymes! :) )

    After about 5 years they sold the group to HP, to work on HP-UX, which kept them for another 5 years or so, and then closed the site and lay everyone off. (After they successfully ported HP-UX to the Itanium platform). C'est la vie.

    1. Re:UnixWare by Dri · · Score: 1

      Starting a UnixWare strategy is like starting with two empty hands. There's a whole other market now, everybody is raving about Linux, even my mom. I have co-workers (including myself in a way) that has never ever heard the word UnixWare. Besides, Linux rocks as it is, they don't need to touch it, just add their enterprise carrier grade services on top.

      Novell just has to get on board and sit down in the captains chair and... make it so.

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  17. NetWare is still a solid tool by linuxtelephony · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Despite how people here on /. seem to think that NetWare is this archaic dog, NetWare does have its place, and a good product for what it does.

    Novell may have allowed themselves to get into a bad situation by not realizing how to combat M$ in the early days, but just as recently as a year or so ago I still knew of a couple of NetWare installations that were used in small POS/Video Rental type places.

    More to the point, NetWare has a proven track record and is dead-bang reliable. Sure, it can have glitches and problems during installation, but my experience has been that once NetWare is installed, configured, and running OK, then they just work. And they keep on working. It usually takes a hardware problem to cause a real disruption.

    I hated to use NetWare, mostly because I had never used it before and had one customer that required it, and so I had to learn it in order to solve that customer's requirements (now there's a concept, actually listening to and delivering what the customer actually wanted). It was a pain (about 8-1/2 years ago), but it worked, and it did the job it was supposed to do.

    So before people start knocking them too badly, sneering at them, or looking down their noses at them, just remember their stability was more like Linux than M$, and once you knew "their way" of doing things you actually COULD make a stable server that didn't HAVE to be rebooted or coddled regularly as part of "preventative maintenance". Which would YOU rather admin? M$ servers? Or NetWare servers?

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    1. Re:NetWare is still a solid tool by revividus · · Score: 1
      Netware is a good product, and I wish we'd keep it around, here, but the management are set on migrating to M$.

      IMHO, none of our Netware problems couldn't be fixed with a few new servers (okay, easier said than done) or a broader knowledge base. For example, our Groupwise 5.5 server crashed regularly (although it was an old box) -- but since we moved to GW 6.5 (and a new server), it hasn't crashed at all. GW 5.5 had compatibility issues with Outlook (fixed in 6.5).

      We're still on Netware 5.x, and we have one other server that crashes once in awhile, and a third which hangs during backup every week. Every week! Sometimes that last one is rebooted twice a week. But, OTOH, that is also a very old box. (I should mention this is in a school, low funds, etc, etc).

      The third issue we've had is the graphics and music department insisting on Macs. Now, I like macs, but there is no Novell client (yet) for Netware or Groupwise for OSX, and even their clients for earlier Mac OSes are not perfect. At the moment you still need to go to a third party to get a client for OSX.

      Even more frustrating, when we moved some of the school PCs to WinXP, some of the ZenWorks login scripts started making explorer (not IE -- the actual explorer.exe, defacto the whole desktop) fail to load. So one of us has to debug the scripts for XP...

      On top of this, add an environment that includes Win95 all the way through WinXP(not to mention A handful of Mac OSes), and you have an administrative headache.

      And despite it all, I still like Netware. It must be a decent product for me to like it amid all that...

    2. Re:NetWare is still a solid tool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a Netware Client for Mac, including osX. It just isn't made by Novell and you have to pay a small fee for it.

      Netware Client for Mac

      GroupWise 6.5 should have web email access that is usable for email. It's not as nice as the windows GroupWise client, but it's serviceable.

      I work in an environment which uses windows 95 through windows XP. We side step all the windows login features so administration is as easy as setting rights in NDS.

      For schools, it's hard to beat Netware as a NOS. A basic setup of Windows NT(2003) is a joke when it comes to trying to organize thousands of teachers, students, and administration accounts into different levels of rights and node needs. Setting up printing services is a snap. I don't have much experience with Linux, but I've never stumbled on services available that come close to mimicking a Netware File Server or Print Server.

  18. Re:Let Sleeping Dogs Lie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most people who say that are MCSEs. =)

  19. They aren't dumping netware? by rivaldufus · · Score: 1, Funny

    I just spent the last day replacing my netware servers with LANtastic!

    1. Re:They aren't dumping netware? by yomegaman · · Score: 1

      How are those ARCnet hubs holding up?

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  20. The future for Netware is the past by mattypants · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really hope Novell do well on Linux, it is the kind of OS that they should have had all along which would have let them concentrate on what they do best.

    I recently wrote a series of reports for my boss in which I had to make the cases for and against a port of our product (an app server) to Netware. Bear in mind that it was over two years ago now that we decided to discontinue Netware development because sales had dropped through the floor (it was, and still is, available in older versions which we are quite happy to sell and support). Apparently, our sales department discovered that there was still some residual demand which was affecting their commission. The idea was shot down by the board after only a few seconds' reflection - apparently, my boss (Technical Director) didn't even have to present our work on the matter, they just knew it was a daft idea!

    Is anyone actually considering picking up Netware development for commercial products? I bet there is not a single one out there. Prove me wrong.

    Netware has become a legacy faster than anything I have ever seen - even the mainframe concept will outlive it. Netware is dead, long live Novell.

  21. Whatever you say, Legacy -- I mean Novell, inc. by reverendslappy · · Score: 4, Funny



    Thanks so much to the company that has been so innovative in so many ways, yet is the same company to release quite possibly the most unstable and unreliable NOS client ever in the history of enterprise computing. Thanks for telling us that you're about to blow off what is quite possibly the best-equipped product to do the job you've been claiming to try to do for years while at the same time telling us you're going to continue to support a proprietary product that you're still struggling to really make work with the world's most popular desktop OS. Thanks for letting us know that you're not a forward-thinking organization and that you're not discarding your now-bordering-on-irrelevant past products in favor of the open source future. Thanks for shit-ifying your client to the point that we're forced to use AD. Thanks for 20% (NDS for NT) of my helpdesk calls. Thanks for giving me something other than mainframe to call "legacy". Thanks for being self-destructive, and for keeping me employed, you irrelevant, unimportant, ancient, ack-basswards thinking morons. Oh, and thanks for the inadvertent tip to sell the shares of your company I bought a few days ago.

    </drunken post>

    1. Re:Whatever you say, Legacy -- I mean Novell, inc. by miffo.swe · · Score: 1

      I think you are wrong, Novell did some really good clients before windows 98 came. I dont know but one can suspect that something new in windows "broke" novells clients or made it much harder getting them to work. I have never had any problems with Groupwise or netware.

      If i compare my experiences with other OS/clients, Novell is by far the best ever. The reason they failed was that they targeted the techies instead of the clueless PHBs like Microsoft did.

      While Novell was by far superior in all aspects Microsoft won because the PHBs bought the bullshit from the MS salesmen.

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    2. Re:Whatever you say, Legacy -- I mean Novell, inc. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, PHBs didn't buy the bullshit - they were sold it.

      It's well documented that the first few large sites to adopt the "all Microsoft" policy, which started the mass Netware & Mac migration, had IT management who were personally well reimbursed by Microsoft to adopt that policy.

      Hell, in government it's policy to perform a cost benefit analysis before taking any kind of shift like that, yet mysteriously none were done. Numerous people who questioned why an analysis wasn't done were terminated.

      Money talks, and Microsoft talks the loudest of them all.

      Hell, I'm still waiting to see block suballocation and integrated file salvage to come out of Redmond. Both have been promised to be coming Real Soon Now for years.

      I'd shit my pants if NT-based file/directory rights ever became as simple to understand and implement as Netware. Instead of setting rights on every directory and every file inside each directory, you just set the rights on the directory (or a particular file in the directory). This is one area that Linux is sorely lacking too, it's obvious NT went with the Unix-style approach, instead of the harder-to-implement Netware system.

      I spend hours each week futzing with file and directory permissions on NT-based servers - I spend minutes on Netware. And our primary file servers, where you typically spend most of your effort on this kind of administration, are Netware.

  22. Novell serious about open source by Ringlord · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Novell is also including Apache and MySQL with the latest Netware. I do believe PHP also run on Netware.

    It looks to me like they are using well known open source products to add value to their own proprietary products.

    They probably helped with the porting, but it is a smart way of getting great software into the Netware distribution.

    1. Re:Novell serious about open source by zorander · · Score: 1


      Anyone ever notice that these open souce projects don't port well to non-unix systems?

      Sure they can make it work...and when next version comes around, they can make it work and so on...but when can the codebase be stable? LAMP on windows is crappy even though there are official ports. It just doesn't integrate like it does on the core platforms (linux/bsd/*nix).

      This is a real open-ended thought. Hopefully someone will be able to form it better than I just did. It just bothers me that we expect *nix ports of apps to be stable and our windows/macos ports are mostly cheap one-man hacks.

      I've been on the inside of a miniscule software development team developing real world software for a few years now. Porting is tough, but it's all in the design. I can't see much of a flexible product being formed by a 100-man team unless you've got one supergenious designer who knows every line of code. All I know is that I can tear apart the code to our embedded software and redesign it in a few weeks with noone's help without losing portability. Go ahead. Say it's a performance hit to make well designed code. I won't believe you.

      Brian

  23. Wow....good Linux week by MegaHamsterX · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Redhat and SuSE slam SCO

    IBM jumps in and whacks the good old folding chair on SCO's head

    Oracle announces it will be a Linux shop through and through, taking all of SCOs threating talk and brushing them off like a runt.

    Novell anounces that while it will keep Netware around, there will be a Linux option, further breaking SCO's back with their loss of any credibility.

    I think now that almost every major heavy hitter in Industry from Movies to Wall Street is using Linux, in the process of deploying it, or making plans too, billyg must be seriously thinking, do I keep stonewalling or port everything over.

    With all the FUD SCO tried to spread, the press releases and news reports throw it right back in their face, the very fact IBM's lawyers put SCO's GPL violations in their complaint validates it all.

    ESR may be extreme, he may be a pain in the ass, but the man did make a major contribution to computing and this whole saga deserves to be written in history.

    These are good times for the battle tested UNIX/Linux admins out there, it's really hard to be a paper Linux admin(RHCE whatever) and not get called on it, funny thing is most Linux people can do Windows, but they leave that for the help :-)

  24. Sort of like AOL- Netscape AND Mozilla by jkrise · · Score: 0, Troll

    If they continue developing for both platforms the quality of each will suffer.

    Despite all public posturing to the contrary, Novell seems to be doing as much to Netware as AOL does to Netscape. Mozilla doesn't need AOL for survival OR growth, neither does Linux need Novell.

    Methinks since SCO seems to be losing out on the extortion route, they're using their brother Novell to make money on Linux.

    SCO and Novell are part of the Can-O'-Pee group.

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  25. Novell jobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Netware has been in decline here in the UK for years. My first two contracts were in companies which used Netware 3, and who were starting to be introduced to the wonders of NT4 by newly MCSE'd MS visionaries....
    Some servers were migrated to Netware 4, but NT was on the up.
    After the IT jobs crash, you're lucky to even see any Netware skilled jobs available, and if you do, the rate is comical (this also applies to Windows and Cisco though).
    Where I am now, we use Win 2000 Server for File and Print and Application serving. It really has been very good. It's been so long since I worked with anything Novell, I can't see why I would want to go down that road again now.
    We use Linux for our Trading desktop OS and SUN as a very stable backend. All works very nicely so far.
    Us techies can always appreciate a well design OS like Netware, but we also live in the real world....I don't care that F&P services are faster on Netware, I care more about the speed of our network or any other bottleneck of_the_day.

    Our core IT policy is dictated by our parent company, you should have heard them when we switched from SUN to Linux (although they have just done the same thing)! You should also hear them laugh if Novell is mentioned....

    Good luck Novell, but for me you're out of the running (at least while I'm in this job!).

  26. Its not Netware it eDirectory by VikingBrad · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Novell realise that Netware is lost but their core product is eDirectory that can provide directory services across Windows NT4, 2000, Linux, Solaris & Netware.

    MS's solution is to go all MS but for most large corporates it isn't possible. Novell can make money integrating diverse platforms for enterprises.

    The Ximian purchase is strange in that Ximian is primarily a desktop focused company but for large corporates who want to replace single task workstations for call centres, process workers with Linux and integrate with a larger Windows network then Novell will be able to deliver such a solution.

    Cheers
    VikingBrad

  27. ARRRRGH! by McCarrum · · Score: 1

    I got into a hotel, after doing 18 hours work off site .. slumped down onto the bed, turned on the TV and caught the last 10 minutes of that movie.

    AAAAAAAAAAARRGH!

    Sorry, had to share ...

  28. Interesting.... by CooCooCaChoo · · Score: 1

    However, it maybe all very fine and dandy to embrace the Linux kernel BUT does Novell have a long term plan for Linux besides embracing it to be the flavour of the month?

    I've seen these types of things before, companies mearly jumping on a bandwagon because it happened to pass their house.

    Where is Novell heading in the next 5-7years? what are going to be their target market? Where will their network opereating system fit into? high end? small business? anti-Microsoft-and-linux crowd?

    If it were ME I would embrace FreeBSD 5.2 (once released) and base an operating system off that, incorporate all the products that are currently available as seperate titles, bundle and sell it with a subscription support contract.

    The benefit of FreeBSD is that is allows one to retain control over their investment so that if they, for example, spend $100million making a feature which quaduples the speed of the server, why then should they simply hand it over? if they invested that money into Linux they may as well, under that senario, grab $100million, throw some petrol over it and throw a lighter to it.

    Why should Redhat or SuSE benefit of the investment of Novell?

    I want to see Novell, Linux, *BSD and MacOS X to not only survive but become a real pain in the ass for Microsoft. Just when they think they have beaten one player, another jumps up and improves on Microsofts offerings.

    --

    "The difference between pornography and erotica is the lighting" - Woody Allen

    1. Re:Interesting.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Why should Redhat or SuSE benefit of the investment of Novell?

      Well Novell certainly benefits from the investments of SuSE, Red Hat and others by using Linux.
      See this is what makes the GPL cool, it keeps the software free and lets everyone cooperate on making the best OS without the fear that anyone can just snag the source and release a closed OS.
      What you want back is the fragmentation of the old unix world.
      Thankfully most of us and even old unix companies don't want that.

    2. Re:Interesting.... by CooCooCaChoo · · Score: 1
      Well Novell certainly benefits from the investments of SuSE, Red Hat and others by using Linux. See this is what makes the GPL cool, it keeps the software free and lets everyone cooperate on making the best OS without the fear that anyone can just snag the source and release a closed OS. What you want back is the fragmentation of the old unix world. Thankfully most of us and even old unix companies don't want that.

      Unix didn't fragment because people extended upon the specification, Unix fragmented because none of the Unix vendors could agree on a CORE set of specifications. It wasn't until Unix95 specification became a reality when interoperability was made more of a reality.

      The fact remains, there is nothing with extending a protocol as so long as:

      1) Supports the openstandard fully and thus allowing FULL operation with out the extension enabled.

      2) The extension if full documented so that third parties can write the appropriate software required for interoperability.

      As for the issue about compatibility, you can still have innovation WHILST maintaining compatibility with FreeBSD. If for example Novell created a way to speed up VM operations and the changes are completely transparent to the software, how could that cause incomatibility? How is this negative to the *BSD community? Why should Novell have to open up modules that have been added onto the core kernel to speed up user based application such as a http.ko?

      At the end of the day, ultimately, a business is there to make money. The business makes money by offering something that is demanded and differentiates themselves from the competition.

      What the GPL and Linux do is it enforces a state of perfect competition, which is unsustainable as businesses realise that any R&D they invest into, in the hope of pushing themselves ahead of the competition is instantly disolved as soon as they have to release the ehancement due to the nature of the GPL.

      --

      "The difference between pornography and erotica is the lighting" - Woody Allen

    3. Re:Interesting.... by Aeonsfx · · Score: 1
      I agree with you entirely, I don't understand why they are investing into Linux (the only reason is hype, since most people probably thinks that *BSD are just Linux distros) when they have so little to gain by doing so. If they invested in FreeBSD, they could gain so much more, and wouldn't have the annoying GPL on their backs. Then, their OS would be waaaay more standards compliant, even if they didn't give the code back.

      They wouldn't be fearful of GPLing their existing codebase, so they would have used more open source code. In the Linux scenario, they will probably use small amounts of Linux because opening things up is too risky for them. Why should they open up an OS that is already complete?

      Also, I thought your "perfect competition" scenario (in another thread I believe) was particularly insightful, it really combats the false perception that Linux is sucessful because of its license. Its success seems to be due to the fact that Torvalds is particularly adaptable to, and accepting of change.

      --Tim

    4. Re:Interesting.... by Aeonsfx · · Score: 1

      Sorry to respond to my own post, I just want to clarify a portion of it that was grossly misworded: >They wouldn't be fearful of GPLing their existing >codebase What I *meant* to say was: They wouldn't have the fear of opening their existing codebase as they would with the GPL. My apologies.

  29. I guess this answers any lingere doubts... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...about Larry Ellis...
    (first day, new eyes)
    -1 Asinine

  30. Till version 2.0 ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We're not talking about Version 1 here!

  31. NetWare is good by candyuk · · Score: 5, Informative

    Novell's core strategy has been to leverage it's existing technology (NetWare and eDirectory) to get the company into more profitable markets. That doesn't mean that NetWare is a dead or dying product. In fact NetWare 6 has been a big seller for the company. However idiot analysts (Gartner et al) don't know anything about any technology that doesn't have a mouse and pretty gui. You can't run Word on NetWare so many people don't care about the OS. More importantly NetWare is widely interoperable so that security authentication, resource sharing and other services function on almost any platform going. Imagine a world where HR could input the name of a new employee into the Personnel system with a start date. The network security system would detect that new employee and create a login account, email address and file share without any user intervention. Then imagine that all these functions use software from different vendors. Thats what Novell brings to the table. Put that in your bigoted pipes and smoke it.

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    Modern definition of an expert: Someone who comes from far away with a powerpoint presentation.
  32. SCO suing Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In case of ./ing:

    Not content with already having issued IBM with a lawsuit, SCO is to sue Novell for illegally placing UNIX code in Novell Netware. According to SCO CEO Darl McBride, Novell never owned UNIX's patents or copyrights in the first place.

    In the release McBride said, "Novell continues to say that it owns the UNIX System V patents, yet it must know that it does not. A simple review of U.S. Patent Office records reveals that SCO owns those patents." Further, "We believe it unlikely that Novell can demonstrate that it has any ownership interest whatsoever in those copyrights
    because we purchased these rights in August 1995 directly from IBM"

    Also this morning, in SCO's 2nd quarter earning call, Jack Messman SCO CEO said that there's no mention of copyright and patents in the Novell law suit and that contract issues are really what the IBM lawsuit is about. At the same time, though, he admitted that SCO had been talking with IBM over UNIX IP issues and that Novell's 1990 purchase agreement of UNIX from IBM was 'confused' on the issue of UNIX's patents and copyrights.

    Bruce Perens, director of Software in the Public Interest, a non-profit, Open Source development organization, says, "SCO's brief reply to Novell explicitly acknowledges that SCO owns the UNIX copyright."

    McBride further claimed, "We believe that we own the UNIX copyrights, and we're confident that this can be proven in court." Gary Schuster, Novell's senior VP of communications responded to this claim by saying, "SCO will find out in court the the true force of our vengeance - we shall wreak havoc."

  33. Mono by dhart · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Perhaps Mono has been overlooked as a large factor in Novell's purchase of Ximian and general alliance with Linux. Becoming a leader in Mono development would allow Novell to be seen as going head-to-head with Microsoft's flagship, .NET, in the ultimate "embrace and extend" (Open Source Software).

  34. Novell is horrible for users by zorgaliscious · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm used to Outlook in corporate environments (as a user) and now am in a company that has Novell. GroupWise is such s POS. Its one of the most limited Email / PIMs I've ever used. THE only advantage is it's not as susceptible to virii as Outlook and Exchange. GroupWise is still at a mid 1990's level of user interface and ease of use. It may be great in a back end, but for us end users, its SUCH SH!T!

    1. Re:Novell is horrible for users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The word "virii" is a good indication the poster is full of it.

    2. Re:Novell is horrible for users by zorgaliscious · · Score: 1

      and you're in denial... so friggen sorry I got a word wrong. The user experience remains horrible in GroupWare...

    3. Re:Novell is horrible for users by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Explain how? He said he was a user, not a 1337 ha>or.

  35. Anyone remember the old billboard posters... by khaine · · Score: 1

    from the mid 90s with a Lion on them which advertised NetWare? If I remember rightly the slogan read "We've taken the lions share by keeping quiet".

    Time for an update with a dodo on it?

  36. ESR extreme? by Ringlord · · Score: 1

    You mean RMS, don't you?

    1. Re:ESR extreme? by MegaHamsterX · · Score: 1

      It was late and that was a typo, should've been fully awake when typing that.

  37. Re:still relevant. (Read it closer) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They are now making a distinction between the NetWare kernel and the NetWare product/service, which I have never seem them make before. The NetWare product is not going away, the kernel might, the last sentence of the statement says it all. I believe they'll be phasing the NetWare kernel out. NetWare's kernel has fallen way behind in a few areas, like SAN (multipathing in particular), the whole ring 0 concept has hurt stabilty with third party code. There isn't a real commitment for hardware manufacturers to write drivers for NetWare, but, right now, there is for Linux .

    If you get NetWare X.X and you pop in a CD and boot Linux and see NetWare for the console does it really matter? I say no.

  38. Netware is very portable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netware is essentially an environment that runs on top of an underlying OS - that OS used to be DOS - and now it's going to be Linux.

    Stop spreading FUD - this is a major step forward. Go Netware!!

  39. Does anyone remember by jsailor · · Score: 1

    when Novell first bought USL and tried develop and market UnixWare. Part of the plan then was to use the UNIX core to replace NetWare's non-preemptive multitasking core and develop what they called a SuperNOS. Part of NT's FUD was that it was both an app server and file server and Novell saw UNIX as a way to compete. As other posters have mentioned, MS still hasn't equalled NetWare's file, print, and directory capabilities.

  40. Novell is Smart. by salesgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Novel understands that they should not kill their golden-egg laying goose, even though it doesn't lay that many eggs any more.

    Legacy products can be very, very profitable. Good call Novell.

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    -- $G
  41. Some points by wowbagger · · Score: 4, Informative
    Some points that I feel need to be made:
    • Netware is more than the Netware kernel - is is the sum of the kernel plus the various services. Novell can continue to develop Netware the services without developing Netware the kernel.
    • "Develop and support" really does not mean much - it could just as easily mean they will continue to take tech support calls for Netware kernel based systems, and will continue to develop apps for it.
    • "Develop and support" is to reassure PHBs that going with Novell is a good idea, even if the actual plan is to stop development on the Netware Kernel in the future.
    • Currently, Netware only runs on x86. Consider what happens when the Netware services are available as daemons under Linux - Novell could offer Netware as services under Linux on the IBM zSeries machines. This would be the dream for a lot of IT managers - one Power4 or Power5 4-module (8 processor) zSeries machine with the manly-man I/O system that the zSeries has, logically partitioned into web servers, Novell file and NDS servers, database servers (with either Oracle or DB/2, running under either Linux or OS/400), in a reconfigurable box with IBM's support on the hardware. Need more OOMPH - call IBM and they unlock more for you. Need less OOMPH - don't pay for what you don't use.
    • Given the previous point, and given the migration to 64 bit CPUs, there will inevitably come a point where, if you want a given capability in Netware services you will HAVE to run them under a 64 bit kernel - i.e. Linux rather than the x86 Netware kernel.


    The only tricky thing is the difference in file system semantics between the Netware way of doing things and the Unix way - in Netware, if you have read access to /foo/bar/baz/poit/narf, you implicitly have file scan access to the directories above it to the extent of being able to see your file. In Unix, you could have full access and ownership of /foo/bar/baz/poit/narf but have no access to the intervening directories, and not be able to access your file.

    This is important, as the Netware model makes a sysadmin's life easier - he can focus on who owns what files, rather than worrying about the directory structure.

    However, file systems like XFS allow for extra metadata to be stored, so in theory a user space daemon could provide Netware file semantics on a Unix file system.
  42. In Soviet Russia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Netware dumps Novell.

    ...can't...stop...myself...please...kill. ..me...

  43. Reminiscent of ipx/spx switchout for tcp/ip? by webscathe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This seems vaguely reminiscent of the swap for their own protocol ipx/spx for the more robust and powerfull tcp/ip. Once they fully realize what Linux can do for them I think we'll see Netware fade away more and more.

    1. Re:Reminiscent of ipx/spx switchout for tcp/ip? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      absolutely - you are right on target

  44. Novell ported to Unix before and dropped it by RhettLivingston · · Score: 1

    for good reasons. Netware has been finely tuned for 20 years to be an unbeatable peformance and reliability machine. When they ported, they discovered just how fine tuned it was. The Netware OS doesn't have to do anything at all but run Netware. It isn't really an OS so much as a framework for a program and as such can be tuned far more than any general purpose OS. Sure, with Linux you have the source and could do the tuning, but they had the Unix source before and backed off when they realized that it wouldn't be Unix any more by the time they finished tuning. It would be Netware. There is no reason to think that Linux would be any different. By the time they cut out every bit of general purpose fluff and hardcoded every little thing to their exact needs, it would be Netware.

  45. Everything is stable?? by bimmergeek · · Score: 2, Informative

    ?? We're going well as a company and all's stable ?? I don't think so. Novell is not a stable company.

    Read Novell's web site, particularly paying attention to their Investor Relations section. There are two places to spend some time: Novell's financial statements over the past five years and their statement of risk factors. (All data quoted here taken from Novell's web site)

    Just in the years 2000, 2001 and 2002, Novell has seen no growth in net profit. Novell's income has essentially been flat at ~ $1.1B since 1997. During Internet Boom year 1999, Novell did post a surge of about $200M and then dropped back to the $1B revenue waterline.

    NET PROFIT DECLINES
    From 1997 - 2002, Novell has had difficulty generating net profits.
    1997 -$78.3M
    1998 +$101M
    1999 +$190M
    2000 -$49M
    2001 -$272.8M
    2002 -$246M.

    REDUCTION IN PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT BUDGET:
    Since 1998, Novell has spent progressively less money on product development. In 1998, Novell spent $235M on development and in 2002 spent $169M on development. R&D costs declined in all intervening years.

    REDUCTION IN SALES AND MARKETING:
    Marketing budgets have been essentially cut each year since 1998, with a large spike in 2000, during which $495M was spent. In 2002, Novell spent $358M on marketing.

    STOCK PRICE:
    Novell's share price has steadily shed value since January 2000, when NOVL traded at ~$40/share. It's share price as I write is $3.47.

    STATEMENT OF RISK:
    The current statement of risk on the Novell site is substantially more tame than when I originally researched Novell the first of this year. But check it out. Novell has substantial barriers to prosperity in the IT industry.

    ANALYSIS:
    Novell has steadily lost traction in the market over the last four years. Their decisions to decrease spending in product development and sales & marketing is puzzling when compared to their statement of risk: how can they confront the dominance of larger competitors by spending less money on new product development and less money on getting the word out to companies about their products? Oh sure, you can claim they are spnding their money "smarter" but that's a weak claim because Microsoft can outspend nearly any company it chooses to go head to head with, and a lightweight competitor like Novell stands no chance (anyone remember Netscape?).

    Is Novell's emphasis on Linux a lighthearted attempt to piss off SCO? No - Novell cannot be so trivial with its short supply of cash. The Linux move is an attempt to ride the coat tails of OSS in an effort to drive down product development costs. They cannot gain traction in networking and messaging so they are seeking to capitalize on the growth of Linux.

    An interesting strategy but this is an approach that has more to do with survival and protecting an asset base than it has to do with innovative competition.

    Novell may not be flopping around on the dock gasping for air but it definitely appears to be in the fisherman's boat, heading into shore.

    --
    -Everyone laughs at lemmings but no one ever wants to admit to ever being one.
    1. Re:Everything is stable?? by mixmasta · · Score: 1

      I have no doubt your stats are correct, however don't forget that the entire economy has mirrored the trends you describe. Probably most companies R&D and sales budgets are down since 2000.

      The real question is, is Novell sinking faster or slower than the larger economy.

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    2. Re:Everything is stable?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hot damn. How many shares are you shorting?

    3. Re:Everything is stable?? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The issue is not so much stock price today, though I do believe stock price/market cap is meaningful. The issue is this: what is revealed by a 5 year history of flat revenue, net operating losses and internal decisions to progressively reduce expenditures on product development and sales & marketing?

      Novell has lost traction in the market. It's GroupWise messaging is a clunky system that has ~ 6% of the market and a not-entirely-true perception that it is a secure messaging platform (who wants to waste their time on a system that only has 6% of the user mail user base? Much more fun to attack lots of users).

      NDS is generally considered to be a strong directory service but an analytical reading of the Investor Relations section of their site leads one to wonder whether NDS can compete against Windows Active Directory and Linux. The decision to align with Linix suggests that Novell is hedging its bets on a platform that is gaining more acceptance but which doesn't rely on Windows.

  46. Novell Acquires Ximian by gregmac · · Score: 1
    Novell's Press Release

    I was just looking around their site for Linux information, and that came up.

    Over time, Red Carpet Enterprise will be tightly integrated into the Novell ZENworks(R) product line, leveraging Novell directory services and policies management functionality.
    I'm very glad to hear that. I've worked with ZENworks in the past, and it's one of the most useful tools for administrating desktops. I can't even estimate the amount of time application distribution saves (from actually installation, to updates, to fixing broken installations, to making applications [locally] available to users no matter where they are).

    I don't have a huge amount of network admin experience compared to some of the people here, but I've set up and managed 3 different networks: NT4 with about 10 workstations, Netware 5 with about 130 workstations, and 2000+ActiveDirectory with about 15 workstations. Netware 5 was, by far, the easiest to administrate network. Netware5 was at a school, so it was a more restricted environment, but was also very varied. The nice thing was teachers had a bit less restrictive setups, but basically every workstation in the school could be used for any purpose.

    I tried to setup application distribution at a software company I worked at with ActiveDirectory. That was an exercise in futility. Now, I'm not a MSCE, and I've haven't had much formal training in administration, but within about two days, it had caused more headaches (apps not working properly due to missing files, access problems, etc) than it was worth, and we went back to the traditional machine-by-machine manual installation. Sure, it's only 15 machines, so it's not a big deal, but I was a developer, not an administrator. If a machine died, it would have been nicer to be able to put the basic image on, and have a fully operational machine again (like netware could do) - which takes about 5 minutes of my time. Perhaps I didn't give it enough time, or maybe I just didn't have it setup right, but I accomplished the same thing on Netware in 2 weeks (from scratch) with no previous netware experience.

    I work on the NT4 network right now (it's been running for around 4 years), and as soon as I have time, I will be replacing it with linux, with the goal of replacing the workstations as well. I get angry every time I run across something I can't do without some 3rd party app, that I could do in about 2 minutes with a shell script.

    I think I'll keep an eye on Netware, though. If I can get the power of Netware plus the flexibility of Linux, I will be very happy.

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    Speak before you think
  47. Netware is easier to administer .. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. especially file-rights. And I'm an MCSE, so you'd think I'd prefer Windows.

    The main reason Netware lost popularity is because Microsoft intentionally sabotaged the Netware workstation-client. For the first year NT was out, anyone loading NT Workstation on a Netware network was in for a world of hurt. Novell eventually figured-out that the NT Workstation's network module -- which Novell had to go through -- was refusing to do any non-MS service lookups for 60sec. MS eventually fixed it but not until they'd forced a LOT of corporate clients to 'upgrade' their servers from Netware to NT in order to 'fix' the slow Netware network.

    I'm sure MS continued to throw similar roadblocks in front of Novell in the years that followed. I mean, most of Novell's products are ROCK SOLID, all except for the Netware client which has needed continual updates as they've continued to find bug after bug.

  48. Re:Why geeks are broke: by finallyHasANickname · · Score: 1
    RTFC before modding down. The joke is at the very end, folks, and so is the topical connection. CNA cert = Certified Netware Admin. certificate. By the time CNA's matter, the whole regime has come full cycle, which is implicitly a prediction for next month, given what Novell has been up to lately. And how might one deduce that? By RTFA and then RTFC.

    The defense rests, your honor.

  49. Re:Sort of like AOL- Netscape AND Mozilla by zuhl · · Score: 1

    SCO definitely *is* a part of Canopy.

    Novell is not.

    Ray Noorda headed up Canopy at its beginning, I think. Maybe that is where you are drawing lines of familial relationship.

  50. Did Novell finally hit something good? by JoseBar · · Score: 1

    Novell lost the market exactly for not worrying about the future. They sat on their near-90% market share on the server OS and thought nobody would ever threaten them. Well, Microsoft did. Had they made the move from IPX to IP sooner, history would've been different.

    Now it seems they're looking ahead and envisioning a way to reverse that. I think they have a pretty good technical argument if you ask me:

    1) Move their valuable software (Netware, NDS, GroupWise, ZenWorks) from a dying platform to one that has a future (Linux).

    2) Acquire companies in order to provide the missing pieces in their solution. Buying Ximian was a very smart move.

    3) Play the "complete architecture" game. They now have enough breadth (server OS, client OS, directory, web server, application server, collaboration, management) to provide a coherent architecture. Microsoft is #1 on this game. IBM works hard on this as well.

    4) They still have a valuable name in the industry and a lot of experience. That is reflected in their superb support, training and certification programs. Enterprises love that. Their 1.3 billion market value also sounds pretty good to them.

    5) They can now move from a defensive position and actually attack the competition (Microsoft, IBM).

    6) They might actually end up being the only vendor out there to support a hybrid application server platform, providing both a J2EE and a .NET solution.

    I do think, however, that they have a pretty hard time ahead of them. Things that concern me:

    a) Migrating a full platform is not easy. I wonder how many years will pass before Novell can actually move everything to Linux. Microsoft has been trying to move from Win32 to .NET since 1999 and they are still not there. They say Longhorn will mark the new .NET era in the desktop, but that is scheduled for 2005. Seven years is a long time...

    b) Integration is no easy task. They have a big challenge in integrating the several overlaping technologies they now own (like ZenWorks and Red Carpet). They say they're committed to doing it, which is already a good start. IBM, for instance, has been acquiring multiple technologies and branding it all as WebSphere, but the integration is clearly not there yet.

    c) Their "end-to-end" solution is not complete. They're missing some critical pieces like the enterprise database software. Microsoft has SQL Server and IBM has DB2. They have nothing. I wonder if they're planning to merge with Sybase (the resulting company would be pretty interesting and Sybase also has Linux plans). They could also endorse mySQL, but it just does not seem to be at the enterprise level yet. Thinking of M&A, it would be funny if Oracle bought Novell (it's a third of PeopleSoft's market value and has less competing products).

    d) While they reorganize and migrate their code base, everybody else will also be busy at work. If they don't work fast and integrate upcoming technologies, they might end up being too late. Microsoft and IBM are delivering on the Web Services promise, spitting out products as soons as the standards get published. Will Novell be able to keep up?

    e) They must keep their old customers happy, keeping up with updates to the old codebase and providing a smooth migration path. That's how Microsoft succeeded and IBM (with OS/2) failed.

    It's nice, however, to see a third force attempting to rise in the market. Today, enterprise platforms are clearly polarized between Microsoft (Windows and .NET) and IBM (Linux and Websphere). I would love to see a third strong competitor in that race...