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SpaceShipOne Flight Test

Soft writes "Scaled Composites' entry for the X-Prize, the SpaceShipOne, has had a successful first (unpowered) flight test. The spacecraft was dropped from the White Knight carrier aircraft at 47,000 ft (14 km) and 105 kt (194 km/h, 120 mph) and touched down after a 1.1-hour glide at Mojave airport. Photos are available."

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  1. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    We know it sinks. But, will it fly?

  2. SpaceShipOne? by AntiOrganic · · Score: 3, Funny

    SpaceShipOne comes with a 14-day trial from SpaceShipOne Networks. To obtain the free SpaceShipOne, please look harder.

  3. Flight Time? by FreeLinux · · Score: 5, Informative

    Flight Time: 1.1 hours / 19 minutes

    The post refers to a 1.1 hour flight, which shocked me as a rather long glide from 47,000 feet, but after reading the article it seems that total flight duration was 1.1 hours and actual glide time was a more understandable 19 minutes. 19 minutes is still great from that altitude as Nasa's shuttle has a much higher sink rate, despite its greater weight.

    1. Re:Flight Time? by Megahurts · · Score: 4, Insightful

      wouldn't the sink rate have more to do with aerodynamics than weight? And all other things being equal, wouldn't a heavier ship be expected to sink faster than an identically shaped but lighter one?

    2. Re:Flight Time? by FreeLinux · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Indeed the sink rate has far more to do with aerodynamics than weight, which was what I was trying to say. The glide time seems far greater on the SpaceshipOne than on the shuttle meaning that its aerodynamics are better thus a lower sink rate. However, I anticipated that someone would argue that the compariosn is invalid due the far greater weight of the shuttle so, I was just trying to head off ill informed comments.

    3. Re:Flight Time? by caferace · · Score: 3, Interesting
      It has a pretty unique design in that the entire tail section flips up and acts as a sort of air brake, then flips down when G's are reduced and the atmosphere is dense enough to sustain controlled flight. Remember, this isn't expected to head quite out into the deepest darkest depths of space but to meet the X-Prize guidelines/rules.

      If I remember coeectly, the SS1 was designed to handle an expected 5.5 G's or so upon "re-entry".

      Besides Burt Rutan is a genius, so it has to work. ;)

    4. Re:Flight Time? by snake_dad · · Score: 3, Informative
      19 minutes is still great from that altitude as Nasa's shuttle has a much higher sink rate, despite its greater weight.

      This plane does not have to do a full re-entry into the atmosphere, I think that gives Rutan a bit more leeway in aerodynamic design.

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  4. Let's go! by TheHawke · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I know what Chuck Yeager would say: "Gas that beast up and let's go punch a hole in the sky with it!"

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    1. Re:Let's go! by ceejayoz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sorry about the pessimism, but I lump consumer space flight in with finding a cure for cancer.

      What, you mean the fact that they're both something that we've made great strides towards in the last 10 years, and both are extremely important to humanity? Good comparison!

  5. Re:From X to One by ArsSineArtificio · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thank God they didn't name it SpaceShipZero. The distance to ZeroWing would be just to small.

    That, and we don't mind if they take off every SpaceShipZero for great justice, it's just that we don't want the pilot to have no chance to survive make his time.

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  6. Precision by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The space ship was launched at 47,000 feet and 105 knots, 10 nm east of Mojave.

    How the hell did they measure that? I mean, it has an altitude of 47000 feet and a velocity 105 knots and they tell you it is 10 nanometers east of Mojave!

    1. Re:Precision by curtlewis · · Score: 4, Informative

      in this case, 10 nm means 10 nautical miles, not 10 nanometers.

      A nautical mile is slightly more than a mile ( I forget the specifics), but 10 nm is roughly 11 miles.

    2. Re:Precision by WolfWithoutAClause · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mixing your metric with your imperial? You should work for NASA ;-)

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    3. Re:Precision by Siergen · · Score: 3, Informative
      From www.dictionary.com:

      nautical mile A unit of length used in sea and air navigation, based on the length of one minute of arc of a great circle, especially an international and U.S. unit equal to 1,852 meters (about 6,076 feet). Also called sea mile.

      Since aeronatical charts have hash marks for each minute of latitude along the north-south lontigude lines, it is easy to pull nm distances off using ruler that are corrected for the map's distortion due to projection.

    4. Re:Precision by homebru · · Score: 2, Funny
      when will you damned-good americans start to use metric system?

      When the Greeks reckon time by the kalends?

      I took the liberty of re-inserting the portion of the hyphenated phrase which your non-American-made keyboard left out. You're welcome.

  7. Not so short by poptones · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In the older press release they mentioned the entire flight would be very short - something like 30-45 minutes. But with this sort of glide rate (avg sink less than 12fps when moving 150fps?) the possibilities for "space" (subspace? suborbital?) tourism seem much more clear. A 30 minute trip doesn't sound like much fun at all, but if you're in a ship that can glide back to earth over 4 or 5 hours, that opens all sorts of new doors - like transatlantic flight, to name one. Not as many passengers as the Concorde, but an infinitely cooler trip.

    1. Re:Not so short by photonic · · Score: 4, Interesting
      In the older press release they mentioned the entire flight would be very short - something like 30-45 minutes. But with this sort of glide rate (avg sink less than 12fps when moving 150fps?) the possibilities for "space" (subspace? suborbital?) tourism seem much more clear. A 30 minute trip doesn't sound like much fun at all, but if you're in a ship that can glide back to earth over 4 or 5 hours, that opens all sorts of new doors - like transatlantic flight, to name one. Not as many passengers as the Concorde, but an infinitely cooler trip.

      I don't know how you get to 4 or 5 hours, but i assume you think that it can glide all the way down from 100 km up. Remember however that at that height there is hardly any air to glide in. You thus fall back like a brick, slow down when you hit the upper atmosphere (+- 20 km) and glide for the last part. This will get you more in the 30-45 min range.
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    2. Re:Not so short by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Um, where exactly are you going to keep the fuel to keep yourself travelling at "a couple of machs"? You'd have to make SpaceShip One about (loose guess) seven times its current size. I bet the carrier a/c won't be able to deal with that.

      High speed atmospheric flight is obscenely expensive, fuel-wise.

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    3. Re:Not so short by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...which then runs out of fuel. The rocket engine will not keep the airplane going at "a couple of machs" for any length of time.

      I promise.

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  8. Re:Can it handle re-entry? by blufive · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have to wonder how it could possibly handle the heat and stresses of atmospheric re-entry.

    Re-entry from orbit involves hitting the atmosphere at almost-orbital speeds - about 17,000+ mph.

    SSO is designed to fly SUB-orbital. Its re-entry will be MUCH slower. Scaled Composites' website quotes a maximum speed of about 2,500 mph. Kinetic heating shouldn't be a major problem at that sort of speed.

  9. Re:Can it handle re-entry? by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Maybe this is a stupid question, but could you reduce the amount of heating during rentry by slowing the craft down much much more before it reenters?
    Obviously there would be a huge weight penalty because you would need to carry all that fuel into orbit in the first place...

    But, since slowing down invariably means a lower orbit, is it physically possible to decelerate enough to just kind of "drop down" into the atmosphere at a cozy suborbital speed, or would the g-forces required to slow rapidly enough before your orbit lowers too much be too high?

    Am I making any sense?
    I've always wondered about this.

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  10. Now things are heating up... by WegianWarrior · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The competitors for the X-price are one after the other dropping their capsules / spaceships out of the sky to test at least part of their re-entry profile, and Burt Rutans entry at least flies like a dream (big surprice - he designs flyingmachiens for a living, don't he?). The X-price is running until January 1, 2005 (qoute; The X PRIZE is fully funded through January 1, 2005, through private donations and backed by an insurance policy to guarantee that the $10 million is in place on the day that the prize is won), giving the teams a little more than one year to launch, overhaul their machines and launch again.

    I'm getting all excited over the prosects ahead of us. Never mind if the X-price succeds in jumpstarting the space-tourism or not - we're getting a taste of what the spacerace was like when the USA and the USSR were competing about getting the first man up into space, allthought this time all the teams are playing with open cards.

    I'm willing to bet all my karma that we'll have the first launch before next summer; anyone willing to bet against it?

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    1. Re:Now things are heating up... by TotallyUseless · · Score: 4, Funny
      What the hell is the X-Price?!?!? I thought most software for X was free? This is not +1 interesting... hell, the link doesn't even work!

      X-Prize

      There ya go, a working link to the X-Prize site.

      I'm sure I will now be modded into oblivion. Enjoy!

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  11. SpaceDev's engine is ready by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Spacedev completed the last and full scale test of it's rocket motor for SpaceShip One last week. So, it has a way go up now. Here's the link...
    SpaceDev Performs Successful Rocket Motor Test

  12. The cool thing about all of this by chadamir · · Score: 5, Interesting

    is that it's sort of like living in the 1950s and experiencing all of this new space stuff for the first time. We are lucky to be living in interesting times.

  13. Re:Can it handle re-entry? by pfdietz · · Score: 2, Informative

    The amount of fuel necessary to do this would be completely impractical, comparable to the amount of fuel needed to launch the orbiter in the first place. It's *far* more efficient to use the atmosphere to slow down.

  14. Re:Can it handle re-entry? by WegianWarrior · · Score: 5, Informative

    First, the X-price is about creating a sub-orbital craft, not an orbital one. Still, it's a valid question you ask.

    Rockets to slow the capsule / spaceship down for rentry purposes has been used on every single manned spaceship I know of. They are called retro-rockets and are employed to initiate re-entry at the proper time and place to put the capsule / spaceship down where it's supposed to come down. The alternative is to stay in orbit until it dacays naturaly, and then who knows how long you will stay up there or where you will come down.

    That said, I assume you knew that already and are wondering about rocketengines / other engines that can be used continualy for a logner period of time to brake the craft faster than purely aerodynamic braking can achive?

    In theory it is nothing stopping you from trying that - apart from the weight of both engines and fuel. Not only does the rule of thumb tells us that for every kilogram you want to take into orbit, you'll burn ten kilograms of fuel to get it there, but as the engiens and fuel will have to be protected against the heat of re-entry, you nead a larger (thus heavier) heatshield as well as a larger (heavier) craft overall. And that in turns means - you guessed it - that you'll have to burn even more fuel getting it up there.

    On the other hand, if you're simply suggesting dropping the relative groundvelocity of the craft to zero before it re-enetered the atmosphere, so it would drop straight down, I see two problems. Firstly, you would have to do it fast (since loss in speed means loss in altitude - thus meeting the atmosphere), which means an allmighty kick in the pants for the poor astronauts (very hight G). Secondly, the heatpulse would be about the same anyway - the craft will have a whooping huge potential energy from simply beeing that high, and that will be converted to kinetic energy (read; speed) on the way down. Remember Epot = mgh while Ekin = 1/2mv, and if we assume that all the potential energy is transformed into kinetic energy (which it ain't, a whole lot will turn into heat), we find that Epot = Ekin, thus mgh=1/2mv. Simplify, and you see that the speed (v) equals the square root of two times the height multiplied with the gravitatinal pull (v=sq(2gh) ). Thus, if we set the height to 100 km (100000 meter) and we assume that g is constant at 9.82ms, we find that the speed of the craft as it reaches the surface is no less than 1401.42 meter a second, equal to 5045kmh, equal to 3136mph, or about 4.25 Mach. So to summarise, you won't save anything by 'stopping' in your orbital tracks.

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  15. It is called by Kickasso · · Score: 4, Informative
  16. Re:Creating life vs. creating technology by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Male life is expendable, female is not. So let the stupid males do risky stuff and get killed, and the smart ones can copulate with the women and advance the race by creating new life. Now if only women would stop seeing the risky males as attractive mates, and go for us quiet, non-risky types instead.

  17. Re:Can it handle re-entry? by mysticgoat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...could you reduce the amount of heating during rentry by slowing the craft down much much more before it reenters?

    If you had the reaction mass in orbit as a refueling point, there is no question that this would work. It is out of reach of today's technology with its dependence on chemical rockets, because the cost of hauling the fuel up with you is much too great. But that could change in a hurry, if we happen to find a source of ice that is already up there somewhere...

    What I envision is a reentry vehicle that uses steam jets generated by the heat of reentry as brakes. I'm talking water-cooled wings where the liquid water is brought to temperatures of 250 - 500 deg C before it is flashed to steam in forward-pointing jets. We are past masters of handling live steam in everything from 1850's locomotives to light water nuclear power stations. We've got steam technology pretty well nailed. It is hard to imagine not being able to make that work. But it might depend on finding exploitable ice on the Moon, or snagging a passing comet.

    It is also possible to use heavy lift, brute force, unmanned rockets to throw big water balloons into orbit, that would then be used as refueling points for the descent of manned craft. From my vague memories of the space shuttle's payload (something like 20 tonnes?) I'd guess that NASA could throw a 30 - 50 tonne water balloon up there within 4 years, with most of that time spent on choosing and approving the contracts. At a WAG, a water balloon of that size would probably provide a half dozen or so manned rides back (depending on what kind of beast you get when you mix a bunch of steam engineers with a bunch of aeronautic engineers). Compared to the cost of extending the space shuttle's service life, this could be economically worthwhile.

    Anyway, the thought of this generates some interesting and fun images.

  18. Re:Feh... Old news. by NeuroManson · · Score: 2, Informative

    I submitted the report when they were first test flying the White Knight, with the space plane strapped to the belly.

    Test flights are test flights, and the space plane neither went orbital or even to the edge of space. It was dropped from the bottom of the White Knight.

    Hence my cause for bitching. I submitted several reports of relevence, and not one has been approved (the space flight report was rejected scant seconds after submission).

    And similarly, my complaint is on topic, since it covered the above story months earlier. If anyone actually cared (no thanks to mods with itchy trigger fingers and too much time on their hands, yet not enough to actually read the article either), they'd note that the first test flight for the launch platform was successful, and within 4 months the space plane was being tested, leaps and bounds ahead of NASA in terms of speed and R&D.

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  19. a.k.a. testoterone poisoning by mks113 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Testoterone poisoning is responsible for quite a few male "accidental" deaths. That includes such things as car crashes, stupid stunts, golfing in thunderstorms and associated darwin-award winning behaviour.

    Have you ever noticed that most "darwin award" winners are male?

  20. Re:promise? by Moofie · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not. Duh. I do, however, know more about rocketry and aviation than most humans. I wouldn't call myself an expert on all things that fly, but I could explain to you in detail how to compute the fuel consumption for a rocket motor. I won't, though, because you're trolling me.

    If you can develop a rocket engine that will drive you at "a couple of machs" for, say, two hours, and will fit in SS1's airframe, I'd wager you could make a very large amount of money.

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  21. SSO and Reentry by einhverfr · · Score: 3, Informative

    Maybe this is a stupid question, but could you reduce the amount of heating during rentry by slowing the craft down much much more before it reenters?

    Funny you ask. SSO has a unique design in which the wings fold during re-entry and provide an aerodynamically stable "shuttlecocking" effect such that the belly remains down. This means more drag at higher altitudes, simpler re-entry controll, etc. Then the wing converts pack and the pilot glides the vehicle in. More drag at higher altitudes also means that it is decelleration is more spread out, so the heat (potential energy -> kenetic energy -> heat) is applied at a slower rate and is less of a problem.

    It is all there in the FAQ.

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  22. Re:Creating life vs. creating technology by slashdot_commentator · · Score: 2, Informative


    Blame evolution. Nature, on the communal level, does not favor the timorous. Fret not, the key to the typical woman's reproductive gonads is lots of accumulated possessions...

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