Happy Birthday!
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cspenn
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Debian is one of my favorite distributions, it's earned a well-deserved accolade for 10 years of reasonably stable operation without all the hype of other operating systems. Stable, fast, easy to use once you're comfortable with its way of doing things... can't love it more than that!
Re:Debian Design
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beezly
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· Score: 4, Informative
Wrong! Debian unstable should have 10, then testing, then stable
Re:New to Debian
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Max+Romantschuk
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· Score: 3, Informative
I don't understand why it takes Debian so long to release!
As I've understood it (and I'm probably misinformed) Debian needs all packages in a release to be stable before issuing a new stable release. With thousands of packages that's a lot of work.
Some people advocate splitting the distro into a more modular approach were groups of packages (like file server packages, wes server packages, desktop packages) could be deemed stable and released independently.
Re:Worm?
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Anonymous Coward
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Actually it's just a list of open proxies posted using a perl script called shitstorm. Everyone already knows the GNAA are a bunch of script kiddies. What I am surprised about, though, is that Sourceforge agreed to host a project whose sole purpose is trashing others' websites.
Re:New to Debian
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GammaTau
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As I've understood it (and I'm probably misinformed) Debian needs all packages in a release to be stable before issuing a new stable release. With thousands of packages that's a lot of work.
As far as I know, a package must also properly compile and work on all the supported architechtures. There are currently 11 supported architechtures in the latest stable release. I wouldn't be surprised if the support for so many platforms would cause its own share of delays.
Personally I've never had major problems with dselect, although it could be better in places. You could try aptitude. It will require a little time to master, but it's very configurable, which is something lacking in dselect.
Re:Debian superiority
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10Ghz
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I guess the Gentoo-ers are mostly former SuSe-ists or RedHat-ters
Uh, not really. Sure, there are former SuSE, RH, Slackware, LFS etc. etc. users, but large part are ex-Debianists. Case in point: link. You can "meet" some nice arrogant Debianists in that discussion.
-- Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
Or even better, if you're running a desktop, synaptic.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Doom+Ihl'+Varia
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If you REALLY need bleeding edge, run Unstable. It isn't as unstable as it sounds heh. It is good for a box to play around with. Testing would be more suited for a reliable desktop. Stable is rock solid. Stable is what you run on the server. My dual-PII has been up almost two months now and two months ago was the last extended power outage.
Re:Debian superiority
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10Ghz
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Didn't know this, but I actually never tried Gentoo, mostly because all my colleagues had to wait 48hours to get their distro compiled...
Well, you obviously haven't been using Gentoo. You can install it from different stages. Stage 1 means that EVERYTHING is compiled and optimized for you system. Glibc, GCC etc. Stage 3 means that the base system is not compiled/optimized but the apps are. Stage 2 is between those two. And with 1.4 you get GRP (Gentoo Reference Platform) where you can install precompiled binaries of large apps (Xfree, KDE, Gnome etc.).
Whining about compiling is really pointless. If you dislike compiling, then obviously Gentoo is not for you. And no-one is forcing you to run it. But, IMO, the whining about the compile-times is really overblown. I have installed Gentoo from stage 1 on a 233Mhz laptop, and it went just fine. I just left it compiling for the night or while I went to work. I lost VERY LITTLE productive time waiting for the compiles to finish (of course, I could have used the computer while it compiles. you are not required to stay away from the computer when it compiles).
As to security... I see no problems with Gentoos security track-record.
-- Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
Re:New to Debian
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The+J+Kid
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Debian doesn't go for the "every half year" release..
However, it's just the last release (Woody) that took so long... That was for a number of reasons: - XFree had to be ported to 11 archs (up from 6), 3 or 4 of which X hadn't been ported to before. - 'Testing' was created, as to have a smoother transition beween 'unstable' and 'stable'. - KDE (2.2) was added to main, a first for a stable debian release. That produced some quirks of it's own.
However, with the upcoming release (sarge, now testing) there were 2 main hurdles: - The GCC 3.2 migration (ABI change) (KDE brakeage hell was spared by waiting with 3.x) - GTK(+) 2.x -> Gnome 2.x There is however 1 more hurdle: The new installer, which is coming along. Knoppix also made clear that 'automagic' was posible with debian.
IRC Party Central
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rweir
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#debian-party on irc.oftc.net. Come and break it down! Er, fix some RC bugs:-)
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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saskwach
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There's nothing stopping you from using KDE/Gnome from CVS in Debian, but why would you want to? The reason unstable lags behind the bleeding edge by a teensie weensie bit is that the package maintainers are obsessively testing it. I run unstable on the desktop (with apache in the background) and can tell you, it's pretty damned stable (as compared to ANY windows, yes, even XP which I support at work). You can install anything you want in Debian (there's even rpm support for simple enough packages through alien) and nothing stops you from using alternative apt sources with more up-to-date/unstable software.
People complaining that Debian is out of date always bug me just because all they have to do is change a bunch of instances of the word "stable" to "unstable" and then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. *boom* bestest upgrade process EVAR.
Okay, larien, I realize you weren't really the target of this...but people saying Debian is a dinosaur always irk me...it's mork like a shark.
If you want to help out with the next release
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rweir
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Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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ArmorFiend
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People complaining that Debian is out of date always bug me just because all they have to do is change a bunch of instances of the word "stable" to "unstable" and then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. *boom* bestest upgrade process EVAR.
Important note to naive passers by: its not this easy. Take me for example. I had been running testing on a desktop for a few months. I did my usual update;dist-upgrade to get all the latest stuff. Some bozo had committed an incompatible version of libstdc++, and apt got hopelessly confused. All C++ programs stopped working, including most of the package management tools that could have fixed the problem. Things got exponentially more complex as I tried to pin versions and downgrade to correct the problem. After a few weeks of trying, the tar-baby was so bad I had to re install the machine from scratch.
According to IRC, the moral of the story is: don't use dist-upgrade, use plain ol upgrade.
People saying debian is a shark really irk me...its more like a dinosaur.:)
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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CrazyWingman
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Did you mean to link to apt-get.org? Apt-get.com seems like a completely useless site (all links point to index.html, which it says doesn't exist).
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Debian is one of my favorite distributions, it's earned a well-deserved accolade for 10 years of reasonably stable operation without all the hype of other operating systems. Stable, fast, easy to use once you're comfortable with its way of doing things... can't love it more than that!
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Wrong! Debian unstable should have 10, then testing, then stable
I don't understand why it takes Debian so long to release!
As I've understood it (and I'm probably misinformed) Debian needs all packages in a release to be stable before issuing a new stable release. With thousands of packages that's a lot of work.
Some people advocate splitting the distro into a more modular approach were groups of packages (like file server packages, wes server packages, desktop packages) could be deemed stable and released independently.
Again, I could be misinformed.
.: Max Romantschuk
There are some compile problems with the MIPS arch for example, the perlmagick package is broken thanks to that.
See the Release-critical bugs for more reasons why.
Actually it's just a list of open proxies posted using a perl script called shitstorm. Everyone already knows the GNAA are a bunch of script kiddies. What I am surprised about, though, is that Sourceforge agreed to host a project whose sole purpose is trashing others' websites.
As far as I know, a package must also properly compile and work on all the supported architechtures. There are currently 11 supported architechtures in the latest stable release. I wouldn't be surprised if the support for so many platforms would cause its own share of delays.
Personally I've never had major problems with dselect, although it could be better in places. You could try aptitude. It will require a little time to master, but it's very configurable, which is something lacking in dselect.
Uh, not really. Sure, there are former SuSE, RH, Slackware, LFS etc. etc. users, but large part are ex-Debianists. Case in point: link. You can "meet" some nice arrogant Debianists in that discussion.
Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
Or even better, if you're running a desktop, synaptic.
If you REALLY need bleeding edge, run Unstable. It isn't as unstable as it sounds heh. It is good for a box to play around with. Testing would be more suited for a reliable desktop. Stable is rock solid. Stable is what you run on the server. My dual-PII has been up almost two months now and two months ago was the last extended power outage.
Well, you obviously haven't been using Gentoo. You can install it from different stages. Stage 1 means that EVERYTHING is compiled and optimized for you system. Glibc, GCC etc. Stage 3 means that the base system is not compiled/optimized but the apps are. Stage 2 is between those two. And with 1.4 you get GRP (Gentoo Reference Platform) where you can install precompiled binaries of large apps (Xfree, KDE, Gnome etc.).
Whining about compiling is really pointless. If you dislike compiling, then obviously Gentoo is not for you. And no-one is forcing you to run it. But, IMO, the whining about the compile-times is really overblown. I have installed Gentoo from stage 1 on a 233Mhz laptop, and it went just fine. I just left it compiling for the night or while I went to work. I lost VERY LITTLE productive time waiting for the compiles to finish (of course, I could have used the computer while it compiles. you are not required to stay away from the computer when it compiles).
As to security... I see no problems with Gentoos security track-record.
Lesbian Nazi Hookers Abducted by UFOs and Forced Into Weight Loss Programs - -all next week on Town Talk.
Debian doesn't go for the "every half year" release..
However, it's just the last release (Woody) that took so long...
That was for a number of reasons:
- XFree had to be ported to 11 archs (up from 6), 3 or 4 of which X hadn't been ported to before.
- 'Testing' was created, as to have a smoother transition beween 'unstable' and 'stable'.
- KDE (2.2) was added to main, a first for a stable debian release. That produced some quirks of it's own.
However, with the upcoming release (sarge, now testing) there were 2 main hurdles:
- The GCC 3.2 migration (ABI change) (KDE brakeage hell was spared by waiting with 3.x)
- GTK(+) 2.x -> Gnome 2.x
There is however 1 more hurdle:
The new installer, which is coming along. Knoppix also made clear that 'automagic' was posible with debian.
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#debian-party on irc.oftc.net. Come and break it down! Er, fix some RC bugs :-)
People complaining that Debian is out of date always bug me just because all they have to do is change a bunch of instances of the word "stable" to "unstable" and then run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade. *boom* bestest upgrade process EVAR.
Okay, larien, I realize you weren't really the target of this...but people saying Debian is a dinosaur always irk me...it's mork like a shark.
Go squash some bugs!
According to IRC, the moral of the story is: don't use dist-upgrade, use plain ol upgrade.
People saying debian is a shark really irk me...its more like a dinosaur.
Did you mean to link to apt-get.org? Apt-get.com seems like a completely useless site (all links point to index.html, which it says doesn't exist).