Please not: The Debian Testing birthday cake will have 10 candles, the Debian Unstable birthday cake will have 9, and the Debian Stable birthday cake will have 7 -- and will only be upgraded to 10 candles when the concept of 10 candle cakes has proved itself sufficiently robust.
Scheduled for sometime around Debian's 15 birthday.
However, the recipe for the cake will be freely available and modifiable for all, as will instructions for the manufacture of the candles, and the party hats.
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Re:Debian Design
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beezly
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Wrong! Debian unstable should have 10, then testing, then stable
Though it does work in a way. I simply figured you meant that unstable had more candles than testing, but only nine were currently working.
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Happy Birthday!
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cspenn
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· Score: 3, Informative
Debian is one of my favorite distributions, it's earned a well-deserved accolade for 10 years of reasonably stable operation without all the hype of other operating systems. Stable, fast, easy to use once you're comfortable with its way of doing things... can't love it more than that!
Debian's greatest achievement?
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Urkki
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· Score: 4, Interesting
Is that apt-get?
I mean, same kind of system is now all over the place, in about every distro. But did Debian "invent" it, or were they first to make the concept work in practice?
Then again, they are also responsible for dselect...
No. Debian's greatest achievement is creating a 100% free ( as in beer and free speech ), community supported GNU/Linux operating system.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Joe+Tie.
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No. Debian's greatest achievement is creating a 100% free ( as in beer and free speech ), community supported GNU/Linux operating system.
It's only after switching to debian, and then trying out some other distros, that I've really come to appreciate just how impressive that community support is. I like having the newest and shiniest versions of most programs, and I'd be willing to pay a small fee for an easy way to keep everything on my system current. But surprisingly, I havn't seen any commercial distros that update the packages I'm interested in as quickly and neatly as happens with Debian Unstable. Given that it's community supported that's darn impressive!
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Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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Malc
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· Score: 4, Insightful
apt-get is great, but it's not really the best part. Other distros have similar systems these days. What makes Debian (and apt-get) great is the care and attention that goes in to it. apt-get works because the packages it retrieves work. That's down to the individuals who contribute to Debian.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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qtp
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Perhaps from an activist's point of view, you are correct.
From a user's point of view, Debian's greatest achievement is having an "unstable" branch that is as stable as some other dist's releases.
From a CS student's point of view, Debian's great achievement may be the package creation and management tools.
Re:Debian's greatest achievement?
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rweir
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No, it's not. The greatest thing about Debian is Policy. It demands that packages meet the highest standards of quality. It makes sure that packages work together. It brings us things like the Debian Menu system, where every X-based package register's with EVERY window manager's app menu. It means that packages will upgrade smoothly, and (via the DFSG) that EVERYTHING is freely modifiable and re-distributable. Linkage: about Policy, why it rocks, more Debian policies.
Re:New to Debian
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Max+Romantschuk
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· Score: 3, Informative
I don't understand why it takes Debian so long to release!
As I've understood it (and I'm probably misinformed) Debian needs all packages in a release to be stable before issuing a new stable release. With thousands of packages that's a lot of work.
Some people advocate splitting the distro into a more modular approach were groups of packages (like file server packages, wes server packages, desktop packages) could be deemed stable and released independently.
Re:dselect
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Anonymous Coward
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I must admit I don't have the first clue how 'dselect' works
This presupposes that 'dselect' works. It doesn't. It is an entirely unusable monstrous piece of shit. I like Debian too, but only came to like it when someone told me to use 'apt' exclusively for package management.
Re:New to Debian
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smoking2000
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· Score: 3, Informative
There are some compile problems with the MIPS arch for example, the perlmagick package is broken thanks to that.
Debian superiority
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mirko
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What makes Debian greater than SuSe, RedHat and others is mostly the point it is *not* commercial. I mean : we're not even sure RedHat will still be there in a few years but we know that if in 10 years, we perform an:
apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade our system will be updated... This might however be the case with other systems but I doubt that satisfied Debian pioneers actually switched. I guess the Gentoo-ers are mostly former SuSe-ists or RedHat-ters
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Re:Debian superiority
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10Ghz
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I guess the Gentoo-ers are mostly former SuSe-ists or RedHat-ters
Uh, not really. Sure, there are former SuSE, RH, Slackware, LFS etc. etc. users, but large part are ex-Debianists. Case in point: link. You can "meet" some nice arrogant Debianists in that discussion.
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Re:New to Debian
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Anonymous Coward
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Really, I don't understand why people always complain about Debian not releasing often. Why is it so important to install a new cd for you?
Just move to testing or unstable, run dselect everyday and you will see new packages are added and updated every day.
I think people got used to upgrade distro to new releases often with Red Hat, Mandrake,... But why is it that important? With Debian, you can have a system very up to date (testing or unstable) without needing to install a new distro version every month. What's the problem with the Debian way of doing things?
Well done on Debian
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rf0
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Debian is a well though out and stable distribution. People might complain that the packages are old and yes that might be true but they work. IF you want a machine to keep running then its great. Apt-get package and sit back. Also for security its great for admins. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and thats it. No dependancy problems. Even the unstable is pretty stable
Re:Well done on Debian
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isorox
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apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and thats it.
Strange how people automatically trust debian's updates, but would trust windows auto-update with a barge pole.
Re:New to Debian
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GammaTau
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As I've understood it (and I'm probably misinformed) Debian needs all packages in a release to be stable before issuing a new stable release. With thousands of packages that's a lot of work.
As far as I know, a package must also properly compile and work on all the supported architechtures. There are currently 11 supported architechtures in the latest stable release. I wouldn't be surprised if the support for so many platforms would cause its own share of delays.
Re:New to Debian
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The+J+Kid
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Debian doesn't go for the "every half year" release..
However, it's just the last release (Woody) that took so long... That was for a number of reasons: - XFree had to be ported to 11 archs (up from 6), 3 or 4 of which X hadn't been ported to before. - 'Testing' was created, as to have a smoother transition beween 'unstable' and 'stable'. - KDE (2.2) was added to main, a first for a stable debian release. That produced some quirks of it's own.
However, with the upcoming release (sarge, now testing) there were 2 main hurdles: - The GCC 3.2 migration (ABI change) (KDE brakeage hell was spared by waiting with 3.x) - GTK(+) 2.x -> Gnome 2.x There is however 1 more hurdle: The new installer, which is coming along. Knoppix also made clear that 'automagic' was posible with debian.
Or is that just the length of time since the last stable release?
Re:New to Debian
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cbcbcb
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Because a) some people don't have broadband so they want a CD of the software they are actually going to run b) only stable releases have timely security updates c) installing security updates on unstable can require downloading 100s of MB due to pulling in other updated packages. d) stable won't even install on some newer hardware without guru knowledge e) unstable is sometimes buggy and can make a system unbootable, or make the user unable to log in. f) some people want to run reasonably recent software but without it changing every day. g) Unstable can be horribly broken during things like a gcc 3 transition
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Please not: The Debian Testing birthday cake will have 10 candles, the Debian Unstable birthday cake will have 9, and the Debian Stable birthday cake will have 7 -- and will only be upgraded to 10 candles when the concept of 10 candle cakes has proved itself sufficiently robust.
Scheduled for sometime around Debian's 15 birthday.
However, the recipe for the cake will be freely available and modifiable for all, as will instructions for the manufacture of the candles, and the party hats.
Athletic Scholarships to universities make as much sense as academic scholarships to sports teams.
Debian is one of my favorite distributions, it's earned a well-deserved accolade for 10 years of reasonably stable operation without all the hype of other operating systems. Stable, fast, easy to use once you're comfortable with its way of doing things... can't love it more than that!
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Is that apt-get?
I mean, same kind of system is now all over the place, in about every distro.
But did Debian "invent" it, or were they first to make the concept work in practice?
Then again, they are also responsible for dselect...
I don't understand why it takes Debian so long to release!
As I've understood it (and I'm probably misinformed) Debian needs all packages in a release to be stable before issuing a new stable release. With thousands of packages that's a lot of work.
Some people advocate splitting the distro into a more modular approach were groups of packages (like file server packages, wes server packages, desktop packages) could be deemed stable and released independently.
Again, I could be misinformed.
.: Max Romantschuk
There are some compile problems with the MIPS arch for example, the perlmagick package is broken thanks to that.
See the Release-critical bugs for more reasons why.
What makes Debian greater than SuSe, RedHat and others is mostly the point it is *not* commercial. :
I mean : we're not even sure RedHat will still be there in a few years but we know that if in 10 years, we perform an
apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
our system will be updated...
This might however be the case with other systems but I doubt that satisfied Debian pioneers actually switched.
I guess the Gentoo-ers are mostly former SuSe-ists or RedHat-ters
Trolling using another account since 2005.
Really, I don't understand why people always complain about Debian not releasing often. Why is it so important to install a new cd for you?
... But why is it that important?
Just move to testing or unstable, run dselect everyday and you will see new packages are added and updated every day.
I think people got used to upgrade distro to new releases often with Red Hat, Mandrake,
With Debian, you can have a system very up to date (testing or unstable) without needing to install a new distro version every month.
What's the problem with the Debian way of doing things?
Debian is a well though out and stable distribution. People might complain that the packages are old and yes that might be true but they work. IF you want a machine to keep running then its great. Apt-get package and sit back. Also for security its great for admins. apt-get update && apt-get upgrade and thats it. No dependancy problems. Even the unstable is pretty stable
Hope it goes on for many more years
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As far as I know, a package must also properly compile and work on all the supported architechtures. There are currently 11 supported architechtures in the latest stable release. I wouldn't be surprised if the support for so many platforms would cause its own share of delays.
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Debian doesn't go for the "every half year" release..
However, it's just the last release (Woody) that took so long...
That was for a number of reasons:
- XFree had to be ported to 11 archs (up from 6), 3 or 4 of which X hadn't been ported to before.
- 'Testing' was created, as to have a smoother transition beween 'unstable' and 'stable'.
- KDE (2.2) was added to main, a first for a stable debian release. That produced some quirks of it's own.
However, with the upcoming release (sarge, now testing) there were 2 main hurdles:
- The GCC 3.2 migration (ABI change) (KDE brakeage hell was spared by waiting with 3.x)
- GTK(+) 2.x -> Gnome 2.x
There is however 1 more hurdle:
The new installer, which is coming along. Knoppix also made clear that 'automagic' was posible with debian.
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Or is that just the length of time since the last stable release?
Because
a) some people don't have broadband so they want a CD of the software they are actually going to run
b) only stable releases have timely security updates
c) installing security updates on unstable can require downloading 100s of MB due to pulling in other updated packages.
d) stable won't even install on some newer hardware without guru knowledge
e) unstable is sometimes buggy and can make a system unbootable, or make the user unable to log in.
f) some people want to run reasonably recent software but without it changing every day.
g) Unstable can be horribly broken during things like a gcc 3 transition