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Renegade Reverse Engineering - John Woo Style

MankyD writes "Just saw the trailer to a new John Woo film over at apple.com called PayCheck. Written by Phillip K Dick of Blade Runner and Minority Report, its a story about a top notch reverse engineer (Ben Affleck) who, after a quick memory wipe, finds trying to piece together the mystery of his past. It's also got Uma Thurman as the female lead. Unfortunately the website isn't up and running yet, and the premise of the movie seems a little far fetched, but this still ought to be a fun one."

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  1. website wipe by QEDog · · Score: 4, Funny

    its a story about a top notch reverse engineer who, after a quick memory wipe, finds trying to piece together the mystery of his past... Unfortunately the website isn't up and running yet
    Duh! They wiped his memory and his website too.

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  2. Chasing Amy was top of his game? by jvarsoke · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did anyone else see "Ben Afleck" and stop reading?

    1. Re:Chasing Amy was top of his game? by ajlitt · · Score: 4, Funny

      I disagree. He was much more believable in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.

    2. Re: Chasing Amy was top of his game? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 4, Funny


      Surely Gigli is more notable, with it's record-breaking 1.5 IMDB rating, up a full 7% from the 1.4 it had when I first heard about it last week.

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    3. Re:Chasing Amy was top of his game? by critter_hunter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Uh, the Big Hit isn't a Woo movie. He's one of the 10 or so producers, not exactly what I'd call involved in the (pseudo) artistic process.

      John Woo didn't do anything good since he made it to Hollywood. I thought Broken Arrow was nice when I was 12, Face|Off had some cool gunfights, and MI2 had a few nice action scene, but overall they were all terrible.

      Not that anything John Woo made back in HK was all that great, but it was still much better than the tripe he's spweing these days. Actually, I can't think of a single Chinese actor who has been doing better in the US than in HK. Although, if Jet Li stopped making movies with lame rappers he'd be faring quite good - The One was great fun

      Anyway, all this to say that John Woo's name isn't as much a turn-off as much as, say, Michael Bay. Ben Affleck, however, is even worse than Keanu Reeves. How can a guy who has been in *Daredevil*, *Reindeer Games* and *Gigli* be allowed to keep making movies. He's like a failure magnet.

      Here's how to recognize a good Affleck movie: Matt Damon's in it. From there it's only a small step to give all the credit to Mr Damon.

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    4. Re:Chasing Amy was top of his game? by Stormie · · Score: 4, Funny

      Come on, Affleck was the bomb in "Phantoms" !!!

    5. Re: Chasing Amy was top of his game? by spectecjr · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gigli has, to date, raked in an amazing $5,600,000. (It cost $54,000,000 to make, not including marketing).

      Freddy Got Fingered, however, has grossed $14,249,005 to date, and cost $15,000,000 to make.

      Let's hope that Gigli doesn't get close.

      It's sad to think that for $15,000 (give or take), I can make a 35 minute short which will be much more entertaining than this (the script is ready, it's nearly completely cast, all we need is a location and financing). Yet I'm having trouble getting the money to do my short, while crap like this has no trouble getting cash.

      Simon

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    6. Re: Chasing Amy was top of his game? by wossName · · Score: 4, Funny

      I liked what The Onion found out about Gigli. :)

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    7. Re: Chasing Amy was top of his game? by squaretorus · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's sad to think that for $15,000 (give or take),

      If its gonna be that good can I suggest CREDIT CARDS!!!!!! As my dad always says : Entrepreneurship starts with 5 credit card applications, and ends with bankrupcy or marble floors. Give it a go! You know you want to!

  3. Just to be pedantic by noewun · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's "Philip K. Dick, whose novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? was adapted by Ridley Scott into the brilliant sci-fi movie Blade Runner, and whose short story Minority Report was turned into a steaming pile of crap by Steven Spielberg."

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    1. Re:Just to be pedantic by R.Caley · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's "Philip K. Dick, whose novel Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? was adapted by Ridley Scott [...]

      s/adapted/ignored/

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  4. So you're telling me... by useosx · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...Ben Affleck is a master at reverse engineering??? I'm sorry I can't stop laughing. I can picture him "thinking really hard", "staring at the screen", "putting the pieces together", etc. God, this should be a good one, I can't wait.

    Can he reverse engineer JoLo's booty?

  5. no by SweetAndSourJesus · · Score: 3, Informative

    That was Dogma.

    Also, Kevin Smith has pretty much sucked ass since then.

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  6. memory wipe? by Lxy · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...a story about a top notch reverse engineer (Ben Affleck) who, after a quick memory wipe, finds trying to piece together the mystery of his past.

    After seeing Gigli, I wished for a quick memory wipe.

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    1. Re:memory wipe? by Daetrin · · Score: 4, Funny
      After seeing Gigli, I wished for a quick memory wipe.

      Carefull, if you did that, you might decide to go see it again.

      And when the memory wipe wore off (they always seem to in movies, don't they?) you'd have seen it twice. Or maybe more if you'd gotten the idea more than once!

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  7. Re:Looks like a good one by tealover · · Score: 5, Funny

    I've come to expect nothing but crap from Hollywood.

    In the spirit of the Open Source community, why don't you make your own movies ? Sounds like you have an itch to scratch (and i'm not talking about your crabs).

    :)

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  8. Sounds Like ... by Honig+the+Apothecary · · Score: 5, Interesting
    after a quick memory wipe, finds trying to piece together the mystery of his past

    This sounds like Memento. Maybe instead of a polaroid and tattoos, they will use a pda or cell phone with acamera for him to remember what happened.Or not.

    Although the Uma aspect is tantalizing. :-)

    Honig
  9. IMDB Movie Listing, ISFDB story listing by Nova+Express · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Here's the IMDB listing for the movie.

    According to the Internet Speculative Fiction Database, the story originally came out in 1953. (It's one of the Dick stories I haven't read yet.) Dick always was waaaaay ahead of the curve. (Anyone else notice how dead-on the youth-culture extropilations of Time Out of Joint were?)

    Maybe we can hope for John Woo to return to his previous form of Hard Boiled and The Killer.

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  10. Re:Looks like a good one by lightcycle · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The thing I like about Philip K Dick is his ability to take _really_ far-fetched stories and still make all the pieces fit. Of course, this is mostly true for his stories in written form, the movies based on them mostly lack the depth found in his writing. OTOH, I have yet to see a PKD-based movie that is boring. I find Blade Runner to be by far the best, but the others (Total Recall, Screamers and Minority Report) are at least entertaining.

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  11. Let me guess... by r00tarded · · Score: 4, Funny

    At the end he figures out he was the male lead in Gigli and re-wipes his brain.

  12. Re:Looks like a good one by dtfinch · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was about to say "It sounds nice at first, but what's the point of making a movie if half a viewers know it in detail before it's 20% complete? It doesn't seem to fit the open development model of 'start a cool project and let the customer base finish it.'", but then thought of something

    One could, of course, produce software under a modified GPL that says that all media produced under it be free (as in speech), which would require that all imported media must have been free in the same respect. 3D models like people, cars, helicopters, building, office equipment, and such would be free to anyone who wanted to make open movies, greatly reducing the development costs to "film and plop in some premade special effects". You might occasionally see two movies with similar scenes, but as this grows, it will become less frequent.

  13. a cursed writer by pgjpgj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    PKD has been dead 21 years, doomed in life to being treated like a hack and in death to having his work mutilated by hacks. Hollywood has a knack for picking up only the most superficial details and missing the creepy paranoid subtleties that make the fiction so memorable. Of the half-dozen efforts to date, only "Screamers" (relatively obscure low-budget effort) and parts of "Blade Runner" are even modest approximations of the works upon which they are based. I have low expectations for "Paycheck": one of his earliest short stories, too long and clumsily plotted compared his masterpieces of the 60's and 70's. I fantasize about what a first-rate director could do with "Martian Time Slip", "Man in the High Castle", or especially "A Scanner Darkly". As long as crap star vehicles with the likes of bozos like Affleck continue to get greenlighted, fantasy it will remain.

  14. It's a good one. by phillymjs · · Score: 4, Informative

    Been a little while since I read it, too, but here's the gist of it:

    A guy works for a large company for a period of time. When he leaves the company, his memory of the entire experience is wiped and he gets the pay he negotiated for himself prior to starting the job. He was expecting a large sum of money, but instead gets a handful of objects. He then proceeds to get into multiple situations where one of the objects is exactly what he needs to get him out of a jam, and eventually he pieces together what he was doing during the period of time that was wiped from his memory.

    It's in Volume 1 of The Collected Stories of Philip K. Dick, featuring "The Short Happy Life of the Brown Oxford."

    ~Philly

  15. Re:Hollywood Hype - False. by phalse+phace · · Score: 3, Funny

    Of course it's going to be less than 5 minutes. If any actual reverse engineering were done and if it were any longer they'd get charged with violating the DMCA.

  16. Paycheck, the short story by friscolr · · Score: 5, Informative
    Paycheck, I have it in a 1977 Del Rey Compilation (the cover is a multi-sphered space structure, i think, it's rather worn). It's typical Dick, listed as (c)1953 Greenleaf Publications, Inc, for June 1953 Imagination, and the story reads like many other of his stories from that time period. It's witty, innovative, and, to today's audience, 100% cheesy.

    For reference to other movies, Minority Report was published in 1954, We Can Remember It For You Wholesale (Total Recall) published 1965, Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep (Blade Runner) published 1968, Second Variety (Screamers) published 1953, Impostor published 1953.

    Personally i really enjoy the cheesy wit that most of his short stories are innundated with, and am looking forward to Paycheck, despite my apprehension with Ben Affleck (god, that jaw!).

    If you want to read PKD, i think his best stuff was from the late 60's early 70's. The short stories from the 50's and early 60's feel like quick thoughts that PKD was shooting out on the fly, stuff he was thinking through on his way to later full thoughts. His stories after the mid-70's (there aren't many) are too ethereal and "out there", almost to the point of being unreadable. And for a very different sort of work by PKD, read Confessions of a Crap Artist.

    Disclaimer: I've read a substantial amount of PKD, but as he was such a prolific writer, i've read nowhere near all or even most of his work.

    As for John Woo, I've enjoyed his style in Face/Off and Broken Arrow, and in both he had to overcome the Actor Wraith John Travolta (lately seems to act so bad that he sucks the acting ability out of others). Hell, Hard Target even had some style thanks to John Woo, and it's a Van Damme movie. Presumably he'll be able to work through Ben's jaw as well.

    It's too bad the rumours of John Woo doing a TMNT movie aren't true.

  17. Reversed Time Periods by Bugmaster · · Score: 5, Funny
    The voice-over in the trailer states that, "in the future", corporations will use reverse-engineering to learn each other's secrets. I think someone in Hollywood has their wires crossed -- because that's what corporations do now.

    A more realistic trailer would involve something like this:

    Voiceover: To learn how something works, you must first take it apart (*). But, in the past, reverse-engineering was outlawed by the megacorporations. Technological innovation has stopped. Now, 20 years in the future, one man strives to revive the old arts...
    Ben Affleck: Hmm. So to tighten the screw, you can only turn it clockwise ! Ingenious !
    Voiceover: But now, he must race against time as corporate forces are closing in...
    Jack-booted thug: Ben Affleck ! You are charged with the violation of DMCA in the first degree. By the powers invested in me by RIAA/MPAA, I pronounce your warranty void !
    Ben Affleck: Aiiieee ! The Fritz Chip ! In my head ! Erasing... memory... Must remember... which... way... screws... turn...
    Voiceover: Will this dangerous criminal be brought to justice ? It is your duty as a consumer to watch this movie NOW and find out. Remember: you belong to the MPAA.

    (*) actual trailer quote

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  18. Re:Looks like a good one by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Anybody else picture carbon copy-esque remakes of Star Wars with great effects but no acting?"

    Yeah, but that was more of a flashback than a prediction of the future.

  19. Some more details from the book (no spoilers) by Inflatable+Hippo · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've just (coincidentally) finished this story, from the first (very excellent) collection of P.K.D. short stories, "Beyond Lies The Wub". I've ordered the remaining 4 books in the series on the strength of that.

    The book concentrates on the individual's loss of power in the face of the tension between omnipresent government and big business.

    Our hero, Jennings, an electronics engineer signs a two year contract with Rethrick Industries - a catch being that all knowledge of his two years with them will be surgically removed on leaving. This is pretty much where the story starts.

    On attempting to collect payment at the end of his mysterious contract he is presented instead with a bag of apparently "trinkets": bits of wire, tickets, a broken poker chip etc. He is told that he (before his memory was wiped) supplied the items to be given back instead of the money. He's obviously not pleased.

    However as the story progresses these "trinkets" become far more valuable than money ever could...

    And there I shall stop.

    I enjoyed the story. I'm 3/4 of the way through "Beyond Lies The Wub" and at the end of almost every story I end up thinking "Ooh, XYZ really ripped off some of these ideas for this film or that book".

    What amazes me about Dick is how stories written in the 50's haven't dated, either socially or (often) technologically.

    In "Wub" there is a very interesting preface by Dick himself and some extra context set in a posthumous introduction by Roger Zelanzy a friend of his.

    If you haven't read any of his stuff before (I hadn't) then this collection is a great place to start.

  20. Re:Not Another Dick by Channard · · Score: 3, Funny
    Philip K Dick was the only Science Fiction

    Yeah, I mean there's L Ron Hubbard too...

  21. Oh for the science fiction Alfred Hitchcock... by nanojath · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Really, Blade Runner pulls a fair number of components from the story and world of Do Androids..., but as another has said, Ridley Scotts main accomplishment is his creation of an environment suffused with futuristic ambiance.


    Predictably, what is most absent from both Dick adaptations is the more philosophical edge. In Minority Report in particular the whole issue of the implications of alternate possible futures devolves to a mere plot device.


    And sigh, yes, where IS a director consistently interested in the speculative genre? Spielberg seems to have some designs on that mantle, which is a shame since he's such a ham-handed, cliche driven director. Where's our sci-fi Alfred Hitchcock?

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