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Chemical Element 110 To Be Named

An anonymous reader writes "According to Nature Magazine, chemists will vote in Ottawa, Canada this week, and are expected to approve the chemical element 110's informal moniker, 'darmstadtium', and give it the chemical symbol Ds. The title honors the Laboratory for Heavy Ion Research (called GSI) in Darmstadt, Germany, where the substance was first made. It seems that 'disputes over claimed sightings of new elements have [previously] led to acrimonious and nationalistic battles over naming', but not in this case."

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  1. Natural vs ??? by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I never studied much chemistry, but I hope someone can answer a couple questions:

    According to the article, the "natural" elemements "run out" at 92.

    1) What does this mean exactly?
    2) Is it not possible for us to discover other natural elements?
    3) Is it inconceivable that our "new" elements could also be produced under similar conditions in nature?
    4) Have all of these new elements only existed in very small quantities for short periods of time, under controlled conditions?

    1. Re:Natural vs ??? by TuataraShoes · · Score: 3, Interesting

      3) Is it inconceivable that our "new" elements could also be produced under similar conditions in nature? If you are brave enough to go to a very extreme natural environment (like the centre of a black hole), you may find that matter exists in a quite different form. The periodic table has a sequence, so we know there are no gaps up to the 92nd element we have found naturally and the 110th someone says they have produced. But there may be places in the universe where conditions are sufficiently different that a different sequence of 'elements' is natural. It may also be possible to consider the substance of the universe on a quite different scale - either very big or very small - which leads us to think about the basic elements in quite a different way. There is a whole lot we just don't know. The periodic table of elements does a pretty good job of describing a lot of the matter we see and experience in the suburbs.

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    2. Re:Natural vs ??? by SubjunctiveSam · · Score: 2, Interesting

      As my chemistry professor explained it, yeah the new ones are all unstable,existing for fractions of a second only. But, apparently there is some hope that there might be some barrier, that after a certain atomic number, there might be more elements that can exist for longer periods of time.

      I don't know what you would use those elements for, but it would be pretty damn cool.

    3. Re:Natural vs ??? by gurisees · · Score: 4, Interesting

      First of all, there are not "unnatural" elements. They are all natural, because they can all be found in the nature, given the proper conditions. I guess you should better talk about stable and unstable elements, and even then you should specify the conditions under which the element is stable or not.

      Stable elements are that way because the energy required to bind together the protons and neutrons is smaller than the energy gain that comes from binding them, so there is an "energy wall" that has to be surpassed in order to break the atom.

      Unstable elements don't have such a barrier, because the energy required to keep them together is too high. This means that if you leave them alone they will decay into a nuclei of another element by losing one or more nucleons (neutron or proton), and will keep decaying until the new atom is stable.

      This doesn't mean that these elements cannot be found in nature, it only means that you have to be very lucky, or know very well where you have to search them, or wait a long long time to see one of these atoms form (and dissapear) without human help.

      Someone has said here that it is impossible to find more "natural" (stable) elements. That seems a very risky thing to say, since most of those affirmations (in the line of "we know it all 'bout this, we won't find anything more here") have proven false in the past. I'd better say that we cannot know for sure, but some think it is possible to find stable configurations at higher atomic numbers (ammount of protons and neutrons).

      I hope this makes some sense...

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    4. Re:Natural vs ??? by RickL · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I know I'm being off-topic here (but this is slashdot).

      Where does:
      1. Do something
      2. Do Something else
      3. ?
      4. Profit!

      Come from?

  2. Polizeiruf 110 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There have been more or less serious attempts to name the element Policium, as 110 is the emergency call for police in Germany. I would have preferred that, for the sake of ease of pronounciation.

  3. Re:Darmstadtium? Ewwww by niceandsunny · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It was called "Darmundestat" in the 11th century. Historians are not quite certain as to the origin, but it definitely has nothing to do with intestines.
    Darmund seems to have been a first name back then.

  4. Re:Element 101? by ajs318 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Actually, I would have thought it would be more like this. Note: "Earth", "Water", "Air" and "Fire" reprsent the four states of matter: solid, liquid, gas and energy.
    • 001 - air - gases - there is only one atmosphere.
    • 010 - water - liquids - water now known to contain two elements in the ratio 2:1.
    • 011 - fire - energy - fire needs fuel, heat and oxygen.
    • 100 - earth - solids - earth was once thought to have four corners.
    Actually this would be neater if Earth was 000, then we can just use two digits - AJS.

    Air and Fire are associated with masculine, spiritual and software. They have odd numbers which are also associated with these properties. Earth and Water are associated with feminine, material and hardware. They have even numbers which are also associated with these properties. I'm not going to comment on the obvious gender symbolism of the one and the zero at LSB in odd numbers .....

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  5. Oh no... by maxmg · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Having studied in Darmstadt, let me tell you it's not a place you'll wnat to name an element after.
    Unless, that is, it is a really geeky element that drinks lots of beer and never meets any women.
    You see, Darmstadt's main claim to fame is its technical university which sadly results in a geek/women ratio of about 250...

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  6. Re:Darmstadtium? Ewwww by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Americium is used in smoke alarms; they work by having an americium source opposite (essentially) a Geiger counter, and if the count-rate falls (due to smoke getting in the airgap between source and detector) then the alarm is triggered.

    I'd call that an important use of it, to be honest.

  7. Not entirely true. by b-baggins · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Not exactly true. Naturally occurring Plutonium exists in trace amounts in Pitchblend. It is more common in supernova remnants.

    From the EPA website:

    In extremely rare cases, rocks with a high localized concentration of uranium can provide the right conditions for making small amounts of plutonium naturally. This natural process is called spontaneous fission. Only very small (trace) amounts of natural plutonium have ever been found in nature.

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  8. Re:New Elementium by swordgeek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's partly because adamantane is already a chemical compound. They tend NOT to like to cross those lines back and forth.

    Besides, why should it be an element--because it came from a comic?

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  9. Limits on "natural" by siskbc · · Score: 2, Interesting
    All existing naturally ocurring heavy elements are the result of ancient supernovae. It is quite possible that these new elements already exist around other supernovae, which whilst catastropic, are definitely natural. It is just that none was around when the earth coalesced.

    Good point - how about, 92 is the heaviest element occurring naturally in a 4.5B-year-old planet?

    Of course, given that some of these really heavy ones have half-lives many times less than a second (this one is 110 microseconds), it seems fair to say that, for all intents and purposes, none is left. If a supernovae somehow made 10^10,000,000 atoms of this, around one atom would be left after an hour. Note that I don't think there are any stars this large.

    End result is that, by the time any planet has formed in which this stuff can occur, it will have decayed.

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  10. Re:Darmstadtium? Ewwww by jafiwam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ytterby, Sweden has four elements named after it.

    Erbium, Terbium, Ytterbium, Yttrium; all rare earths that were first discovered there.

  11. What's binding energy made of? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting


    nothing else just a question