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Experts Recommend Keeping Hubble Operational

foolishtook writes " The New York Times is reporting that a panel of experts is recommending NASA to keep the Hubble Space Telescope operating past 2010 when its replacement, the James Webb Space Telescope, is currently slated for launch. NASA had stated that it wanted to bring the Hubble down in 2006 to make room in its budget for the Webb, but astronomers said that it still has a viable future and the launch date for the Webb is likely to be delayed."

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  1. More info by mjmalone · · Score: 5, Informative

    I heard a piece on NPR about this yesterday. They said that there were three options, one was to send two more maned space missions to the hubble for repares and to attach a propulsion system to the unit so that it can safely be brought back to earth in 2010. The second was to go along with the current plan, send one more maned mission, that will do some minor upgrades and bring hubble down in 2006. The third option is to not send any more maned missions, and develop a robotic device that could be sent up and would attach the propulsion system to the unit.

    NASA said that it was worried about sending more maned missions up to the hubble since it is in a different orbit than the space station and if the mission is botched the shuttle would not be able to reach the station in an emergency.

    1. Re:More info by Captain+Nitpick · · Score: 3, Informative
      Hubble is 375 miles up; ISS is 240-ish. Wouldn't getting from Hubble to ISS just be a controlled reduction in orbital speed to dropped the altitude?

      No.

      Hubble and ISS have very different orbital inclinations (28.5 degrees for Hubble, 51.6 for ISS). Changing orbital inclination to this degree requires more fuel than an orbiting shuttle can carry. This has been discussed repeatedly on post-Columbia disaster articles.

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  2. How much is Hubble costing? by mhesseltine · · Score: 3, Informative

    I didn't see anything on the Hubble page linked above as to what it costs to keep the telescope in orbit. Other than a little maintainence, it can't be that much, can it? I know that a "little" is a relative term, but still. I'd say leave it up there for as long as possible.

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  3. Re:Hubble Rocks by afniv · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Hubble was designed (and originally planned) to be returned with a Shuttle. But due to the latest happenings, that's been canned. It's too bad, since there would be plenty of science and engineering learned from reviewing the affects the environement had on the materials of Hubble.

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  4. Too bright! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hubble can't look at the earth because it's too bright. Even the nightside has so much light (human illumination, moonlight, lightning) that the Hubbles photodetectors would saturate and be permanently degraded or destroyed. The Hubble does not have a neutral density filter, just a shutter to block all light during servicing or if the attitude control that keeps it from seeing earth, moon, or sun goes south.

  5. Re:I wonder... by GeneralEmergency · · Score: 3, Informative

    Hubble Altitude = 370 statute miles
    Space Station Altitude = 240 statute miles
    Difference = Waaaaay too much.

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  6. More information by introverted · · Score: 5, Informative

    Here's a link to a white paper (PDF format) prepared by the Space Telescope Science Institute's Scientific Staff with their input to NASA on why they feel Hubble's mission should be extended.

  7. cost to keep hubble in orbit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    FYI: The cost to keep the Hubble in orbit and to maintain it is roughly 200 million a year.

  8. Re:Paralax by kwan3217 · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, this is far from the first mission to the Earth-Sun lagrange points. I know of at least two sat at L1 (between Earth and Sun), SOHO, a solar obervatory, and Genesis, a solar wind collector. There is also at least one at L2 (opposite side of Earth from Sun), MAP, a cosmic background radiation mapper.

    All the stories about colonization of the lagrange points are the Earth-Moon points. I don't know if there have been any missions to these points, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been any.

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  9. Parent post is incorrect (Hubble Pics Of Moon) by deathcow · · Score: 4, Informative
    There are hubble pictures of moon craters. See here, young man: Hubble shoots Ze Moon.

    I seriously therefore doubt all the posts about the Earth, even the nightside of the Earth, being too bright for Hubble to image. Too bright? Reduce your shutter speed !

    Also, one poster said the Earth is too close to focus on. Probably also incorrect. Remember the Hubble is ? a few hundred miles up ?. Typically with telescopes or camera lenses, the focus difference between "infinity focus" and "a few hundred miles" is non-existent. Not like the Hubble is exempt from being a telescope. As a matter of fact it's a Ritchey-Cretian telescope just like you can buy here on Earth from these dudes.

    1. Re:Parent post is incorrect (Hubble Pics Of Moon) by Bemopolis · · Score: 3, Informative

      I seriously therefore doubt all the posts about the Earth, even the nightside of the Earth, being too bright for Hubble to image. Too bright? Reduce your shutter speed !

      The Hubble has looked at the Earth before, technically -- the light from it was used to establish the point-to-point illumination pattern on the CCD. THe pictures aren't very useful though, as the HST is moving far too fast to keep an object stationary in the camera; in fact, the Earth pointings are called "streak flats" due to the Earth's surface moving through the field of view. Presumably the KH satellites are designed to overcome this limitation as well as others (CCD particulars, filters, guidance system...) Oh yeah, IAAHSTUser...

      Bemopolis

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  10. Re:I wonder... by spaceyhackerlady · · Score: 3, Informative
    The problem is orbit inclination. Shuttles simply don't have the fuel on board to shift inclination from Hubble's orbit to ISS's orbit.

    More specifically (from Celestrak)

    Hubble: 28 degrees inclination

    ISS: 51 degrees inclination

    Exercise for the student: work out the required delta V (here's a useful reference). Compare with the Shuttle's on-orbit delta V. It's cheaper (and lots easier) to land and get a fresh launch.

    ...laura

  11. Re:JWST to be launched on Ariane V by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Informative
    The Ariane V crashed not due to the rocket itself being unreliable but due to human error. The Ariane V accidentally got guidance software from its predecessor uploaded into its systems which caused the rocket overcorrect its trajectory, steering it too much off its course too quickly.
    You are half right. They used earlier software *on purpose* to save the cost of developing new software. They further economized by not retesting the old software to certify in the new booster.
  12. The Webb scope is NOT a replacement for Hubble by ScottGant · · Score: 4, Informative

    You may be reading some articles stating that the Webb is the replacement for Hubble, but it simply isn't true.

    Here is a quote from "Sky and Telescope":

    "Three issues lie at the heart of the debate.

    First, Hubble has unique capabilities for ultraviolet and visible-light astronomy that will not be replaced by any other planned mission for 10 to 20 years (Webb is designed mainly for infrared imaging and spectroscopy).

    Second, Webb hasn't yet moved much beyond the drawing board and may not be ready for launch until the middle of the next decade, leaving astronomers with no space telescope at all for several years if Hubble shuts down by 2010.

    And third, Hubble is more than just a telescope. "HST is widely recognized as an extraordinary scientific, educational, and inspirational national asset," wrote Garth Illingworth (University of California, Santa Cruz) and Michael Shull (University of Colorado). In other words, it is an icon."

    Read more at:

    http://skyandtelescope.com/news/article_1017_1.a sp

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  13. Re:What happened to Large Interferometer telescope by bware · · Score: 3, Informative

    TPF http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/TPF/tpf_index.html
    SIM http://planetquest.jpl.nasa.gov/SIM/sim_index.html
    LISA http://lisa.jpl.nasa.gov/

  14. here is the newscientist link. by Wycliffe · · Score: 3, Informative

    For those of you who dislike nytimes registration,
    here is the newscientist link:

    http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns9 99 94061