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Former Xbox Director Targets Lack Of Originality

Thanks to Indie Magazine for their report on former Xbox director Seamus Blackley's comments in a recent lecture regarding games and originality. Blackley suggests: "Why is it that we've lost the cultural edge? The reason is that today's games are not exploiting pop culture. We're being willingly driven by pop culture. We just crawl over one another to get access to IP [intellectual property] from other media. In this light you can really start to view the games industry as a marketing arm of the film industry or of the music industry." The article also points out: "Blackley added that with past IP and other people's IP being exploited there's nowhere for next year's sequels to come from and in turn, the industry is forfeiting its ability to create original IP." How do you halt this vicious cycle?

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  1. Preach on Brother by Dr.+Bent · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "...you can really start to view the games industry as a marketing arm of the film industry or of the music industry."

    Damn straight. Sid Meier said that "A game is a series of interesting choices." And Sid is right. The problem with games made from other media like books, movies, and TV shows is that those mediums are non-interactive and therefore contain no choices. So in a game like The Matrix, choices get reduced to the level of "how do I accomplish my pre-defined mission in the most effecient manner", which is hardly interesting.

    Writers, who create books, movies, and TV shows, want to tell a story. A story has a linear progression from setup to conflict to resolution. It is the conflict and it's eventual resolution that makes it interesting. But a game does not need to have conflict (ex. Animal Crossing, The Sims) because, like Sid said, it's the choices that make the game interesting. Relying on a movie franchise to make your game interesting is like relying on a leather bound cover to make your novel worth reading.

  2. Originality by Metal_Demon · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The problem with originality is that something can only be original the first time. It is my opinion that by the year 2010 nobody will ever have another original idea. It will all already have been thought before. Also I wanna mention that people worry entirely too much about being original and unique to the point that they sacrifice fun for originality. Doesn't matter to me if a game is sequel number 69 as long as it still has new content and is fun.

    Originality is so unoriginal.

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  3. Lost the edge? by freebfrost · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm really not sure what his point is here.

    The biggest success on the Xbox is Halo, which was not driven by any IP (other than taking Niven's Ringworld). Movie tie-ins like Enter the Matrix and Pirates of the Caribbean do well, but not at the levels of a Vice City. In fact, most tie-in games suck and this is quickly reflected in the speed with which they fall into discount bins everywhere.

    Given the number of successful games (across consoles and computers) that are not movie-based, I don't see his point.

  4. Uh... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    How do you halt this vicious cycle?

    How about by creating something original and not worry about immediate profits? I'm a firm believer that if a game is truly good, eventually people will find it and enjoy it. Granted, that's just in theory, as many golden games have been passed over for the years, but I'm referring to "gamers," not "Joe with the PS2" or "Bill with his XBOX."

    It may not sell as much as the latest Madden or Grand Theft Auto, but it'll find its market (the "if you build it, they will come" mentality). Unfortunately, all most companies want to do is create an immediate profit, and not actually create something unique and groundbreaking. Which...is why we're in that cycle. Men tend to think with their dicks and wallets more than anything else.

  5. Bah! by JMZero · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This guy IS the problem. He thinks that a game is about its subject content. The same idiots think they can make another hit like "Grand Theft Auto" by including prostitutes and violence.

    A strong license will help a game sell, but in the end what matters is the game (witness the multitude of Star Wars games and their varying success). That's why the last few crops of "original games" have sucked so hard (think "Blix: The Time Sweeper"). While they may not have stolen subject content, their gameplay was derivative and lame.

    I can hear someone thinking, somewhere: "Maybe if they would have made Blix a little more edgy it would have been great - they could have hired Todd McFarlane (creater of Spawn) to design enemies."

    No! Maybe they could have made it a good game. Similarly, Star Wars: KOTOR would have been a great game no matter what the subject.

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  6. It's early yet. by xanderwilson · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Haven't all new media forms tried to emulate its predecessors? Early films were little more than stage plays. Early television was just radio plays with pictures.

    Give it time. It's early yet.

    Alex.

  7. WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Isn't this the same asshat responsible for the deplorably bad 'Jurassic Park: Trespasser' game?

    1. Re:WTF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      -1 Troll? Seems to me the poster raises a valid point, insofar as this Blackley person complaining about video games made from other popular culture media (movies, etc) is more than a little bit hypocritical. Trespasser (regardless of how "deplorably bad" it might have been) WAS a Jurassic Park tie in, and, other than convincing Bill Gates to enter the console market with a console built on hobbled PC architecture, is his SOLE contribution to video gaming. To claim that there's no great innovation in gaming these days when his own track record proves that point is just kind of silly.

      Or do we just give "troll" tags to anybody who uses the word "asshat"?

  8. Sometimes it goes the opposite way! by shaka999 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Look at Tomb Raider and Mortal Kombat. Both of these went from video games into the movie theaters.

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  9. Nintendo Knows by Apreche · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ask Nintendo.

    Mario, Link, Pokemon, Kirby, Metroid, etc.

    No original IP? Must not own a GBA or GCN.

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  10. It's not this simple. by kneecarrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    When big money is involved, as it is in this case, safe choices must be made. Sure, you can go out on a limb once in a while and try an original idea. However, most of the time your investors will demand a reasonable profit forcast. This forcast can only be made if there are a large proportion of "sure things" in the pipeline.

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  11. This is a bit overblown by Derkec · · Score: 3, Insightful


    There are unique games out there, you just have to look. Most of them are not out for xBox, mostly because there is a big financial risk in launching that on a platform.

    Some examples:

    The Sims: It's getting older now, but despite taking the Sim _____ series title, it was really original in what it considered to be a game. Hey, take this family and uh.. make them cook stuff and go to work. Surprise, huge franchise and a massively multiplayer extension.

    Dance Dance Revolution: Gimicky peripheral games have been around, but this was a new take on the thing. You don't try to shoot bad guys or win a race, instead you're "dancing." Suprise! It doesn't suck and is a great party game because normal people (my parents) and even normal girls think it's fun.

    Nintendo's Cute games: Those Japanese have a stack of really, really weird cute games. I've looked at a bunch of comments and reviews and thought wow, that's odd. Never played them, but they generally seem original as heck.

    Odd Massively Multiplayer Games: Let's face it, Everquest is a MUD with pictures, not terribly original. But there are some differant ones out there. My favorite are a couple that have appeared where the players are businessmen and their holdings are active 24 hours per day. You just have to log in enough to keep things going straight. Very differant. Also, Planetside has really changed the FPS genre for me. Taking FPS into the massively multiplayer realm may have been obvious, but it is new and presents another oppurtunity to franchise. Couple cool and new programs in this department.

    When I look around, check out the upcoming and recent releases, I see a bunch of oddball games that I probably won't buy, but are look very differant from what I play. There are a lot of games out there take a look.

  12. Originality comes from without by Sinistar2k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If console designers want to see thousands of original titles, they need only make their platforms open to garage development.

    Of course, independent development, while it does result in original content, doesn't necessarily dump cash into the Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony coffers, so it isn't creativity or originality that's the real issue here.

    It's properly licensed and royalty bound creativity and originality.