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Netgear Routers DoS UWisc Time Server

numatrix writes "For the last few months, hundreds of thousands of netgear routers being sold had hardcoded values in their firmware for ntp synchronization, causing a major denial of service to the University of Wisconsin's network before it was filtered and eventually tracked down. Highlights how not to code embedded devices." A really excellent write-up of the incident.

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  1. So who got fired? by eln · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Simple mistake that should have easily been found and fixed during the testing phase. I hope whoever let this thing be released without following proper testing procedures got canned.

    Yah right. Some hapless low level programmer probably got all the blame for putting test data in there in the first place.

  2. I wonder what NetGear's liability is. by Jammer@CMH · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Were this a Haxor attack, there would be criminal liability. I'm willing to believe that it was a simple mistake, with no criminal intent, but would NetGear be liable civilly?

    1. Re:I wonder what NetGear's liability is. by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Interesting

      They probably would be liable. What surprised me was that the article made no mention of the financial impact of the flood... are the guys who run the network so far removed from the guys who pay the bills that they have no idea, or do the universities get such sweet deals on bandwidth that it doesn't matter?

      I mean, we're talking 150+ Mbps here, for months on end. That's $15K/mo in bandwidth, assuming they have a really good deal and pay only $100/Mbps/mo.

  3. Now did NetGear get permission by eaddict · · Score: 3, Interesting

    to hardcode an address into thier systems? Do you need permission? There was a law a few years ago about 'deep-linking' and even linking... isn't getting the time somewhat the same thing?

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  4. Analysis Tools used in this article.. by joeldg · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wow, that list of Analysis Tools used for tracking this down had a bunch that I was not familiar with.

    RRGrapher, FlowScan and Cflow being ones I have never messed with..

    Cool.. new tools to play with!

  5. Re:Err why ? by rusty0101 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Routers tend to log activities such as access, configuration changes, firewall violation detection, etc. and it is often handy to know when that event occured.

    Home centric routers do not tend to have their clocks set before shipping as there is no assurance that a battery keeping that clock powered will be doing so ver the entire span of time from manufacture to customer plugging it in. Even if it did the drift involved would give some inaccuracy as well.

    There are two correct solutions. One is that Netgear should operate their own time server and hard code that server as a secondary or fallback time server. The primary time server should be aquired from the internet service provider when they get their network ip address via dhcp.

    -Rusty

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  6. Our usage graph...You Jerks! by ShortSpecialBus · · Score: 5, Interesting

    want to see what the usage graph for a slashdotting looks like?

    http://www.cs.wisc.edu/cgi-bin/cricket/grapher.cgi ?target=%2Fweb-servers%2Fwww;ranges=d%3Aw;view=Acc ess

    Yeah, I work at the CSL at UW Computer Sciences, and the tracking of this netgear issue was quite an interesting tale. Had us stumped for quite some time.

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  7. It generated costs on the other side too by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This didn't only generate trouble for U of Wisconsin, it also generated a lot of cost for some people using the router. Since the server was down, the Firmware has been trying to connect to the time server constantly, thereby keeping the connection from timing out. (Who wrote that algorithm?) For people whos connections are on metered internet access, this ment the connnection was never closed and they are stuck with the bill.

    Aparently there are a lot of Netgear users in Germany who are stuck with horrendous bills now. I wonder if Netgear is going to pick those bills up?

  8. They originally thought it was an IT Dept! by altek · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is funny - one of the head sysadmins for UW's network ops gave a firewall talk in one of my grad classes last semester. I remember him saying that they recently put a packet filter on their FW to block NTP requests because they started getting high numbers of them..

    They thought that maybe somewhere someone had published a net time server in a document or whatever and that an IT department was deploying it on workstations or there was a document floating around telling people to set it up as their time server...

    Looks like they finally got to the bottom of it!

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  9. They're not the only ones by whterbt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I took a Unix course at the University of Colorado in Fall 2001, I think. We had a guest lecture from Evi Nemeth, who is a professor emeritus at CU.

    She had done some work on a couple of the DNS root servers, G and H if memory serves. She showed a rate of query graphs for those servers. There was a huge jump in the middle of the graphs that corresponded neatly with the release of Windows 2000.

    Turns out Win2000 had it hard-coded to consult the DNS root servers every time it wanted to run a nslookup!

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  10. NetGear's Customer Support by MojoRilla · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We had customers complain that they couldn't connect to our streaming application. After much head scratching and wasted time, we discovered that the customers MR814 wireless router wasn't working properly.

    After a lot of research on the internet, I discovered that this was a well known problem with the MR814, fixed with an update to its firmware. It was strange because I asked the user if he had updated his firmware, which he said he did.

    It turns out that the firmware was only released on the Austrilian version of the NetGear website. Downloading and installing that version fixed the users problem.

    I sent a polite note to NetGear technical support informing them of this on April 7th. I got back a note on 4/8 saying that it would be forwarded to the appropriate people. On April 17th I sent a more harshly worded note. On April 20th I got back a note saying again that my request would be forwarded to engineering.

    I gave up. It wasn't worth it.
    Just for fun on May 13th I checked their site again. They had finally updated the software.

    This runaround was all to just make a solution to a problem that they had already fixed available. Imagine the hassle trying to get them to actually fix a problem?

  11. Windows Time Service by Webmoth · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Both Windows 2000 and XP have the "Windows Time Service" which once per day query an NTP server to set the system clock. By default, Windows 2000 does not have an NTP server set, and XP looks to time.windows.com -- every blasted installation of Windows XP phones home every day to set its clock and who-knows-what-else.

    One would expect millions of XP boxes phoning home daily would overload a time server. For myself, I've changed the NTP server to a different server (which I will not name) and had somewhat more reliable time syncing.

    The commands are net time /setsntp:some.ntp.server and net time /querysntp, or in the Time and Date properties in XP there's the Internet Time tab.

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