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MIT Robot Walks On Water

An anonymous reader writes "Researchers at MIT have solved the mystery of how water striders propel themselves across water surfaces and in the process have created a robot called Robostrider that mimics the behavior. With cool stuff like this, it's no wonder MIT is number one in engineering."

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  1. Yes but... by egg+troll · · Score: 4, Funny

    Can it turn that water into wine?

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    1. Re:Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      No, its "time has not yet come" (John 2:4b)

    2. Re:Yes but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Or perhaps, being from MIT, it only thinks it walks on water!

    3. Re:Yes but... by Gzip+Christ · · Score: 4, Funny
      Can it turn that water into wine?
      No, but I bet it was given birth by a virgin.
    4. Re:Yes but... by Alien+Being · · Score: 3, Funny

      I doubt it could even turn Boston harbor and the Charles river into water.

    5. Re:Yes but... by syphax · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Now that you mention it, Professor Bush actually has looked into the fluid dynamics of wine, as well.

      He's a cool guy- I took a fluids class he taught a few years back. He's one of those people who can use mathematical intuition to understand physical phenomena.

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    6. Re:Yes but... by frission · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I remember my supervisor telling me once before a demo that we had to do (in respect to showing the stuff from the demo that would actually work):

      "I can walk on water...you just have to tell me where the stepping stones are"

  2. Case of the Mondays by MhzJnky · · Score: 3, Informative

    Slashdot had a case of the mondays and frogot itself

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    1. Re:Case of the Mondays by Saeger · · Score: 5, Informative
      Actually, it did. The 2nd link talked about the MIT strider bots.

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    2. Re:Case of the Mondays by PetWolverine · · Score: 2, Funny

      When you come in on Monday and you're not feeling real well, does anyone ever say to you, "Sounds like someone has a case of the Mondays?"

      Shit, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked saying something like that, man.

      With thanks to this guy.

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    3. Re:Case of the Mondays by Saeger · · Score: 5, Funny
      Are you seriously suggesting that you actually expect us to read the articles!?

      Just the interesting ones. :)

      You can skip the SCO-soap-opera updates and other fluff, but make sure you keep up to date with the ROBOTS, man, or they'll take over!

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  3. Point of note by NoTheory · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually there are several people who thing that MIT's direction in AI has gone seriously awry. Marvin Minsky (though somewhat stodgy), has pointed out that MIT's focus in robotics is no longer on figuring out how to make things that do stuff for people, but on subhuman gadgets.

    So, yeah they may be number one, but in a way, they've let down the old guard of AI researchers.

    Still, this is quite cool.

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    1. Re:Point of note by Dachannien · · Score: 2, Insightful

      As one of many in the "new guard" of AI researchers, I say that Minsky's ideas, while important in their historical perspective, overshadow the vast possibilities of artificial and computational intelligence by overemphasizing their importance due to the fame and mystique surrounding the name "Minsky".

    2. Re:Point of note by dollargonzo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      problem is, minsky spends too much time debunking good theory than creating new ones. let's take an example. minsky proved that 2-layer neural networks were not capable of generalizing to many tasks. the proof is indeed notable, but then came *gasp* three layer neural networks, and minsky's point was irrelevant. i think he is just pissed that his ideas were mostly abandoned by AI researchers.

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    3. Re:Point of note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love /.! At least this poster has the general idea if not the details.

      Minsky said that a single layer perceptron (just a linear discriminator) could not learn XOR. If you plot a 2-input XOR it's obviously not linearly separable. And it's not just the extra layers but rather the activation function at each perceptron that had to change.

    4. Re:Point of note by 1u3hr · · Score: 3, Funny
      How many "spelling nazi's" does it take to write one correct statement?

      Why the apostrophe in "nazi's"?

    5. Re:Point of note by NoTheory · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This is a reply to the above two posts

      as someone who's interested in computational neurodynamics, i've got ambivielent feelings about alot of the stuff minsky says, but i can't help but sympathize with him to some degree on this subject. Robots are cool, robots are useful, but the stuff that comes out of MIT's AI lab, has lost focus on the original goal of what he and the pioneers of the area were after.

      Heading off in a different direction isn't bad, in fact, i think a lot of these devices are quite interesting, but take just one of these two paths to the neglect of the other seems kind of sucky. So, i disagree that with minsky that this stuff is useless, but i agree with him that it's a shame that the people working (loosely) on the computational problems about the mind/brain aren't in MIT engineering anymore.

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    6. Re:Point of note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      I think some of your facts are wrong..

      If I remember correctly Minsky showed that a two layer linear neural network is not very capapable recognizer (and two 2-layer linear networks == one 2-layer linear neural network,(matrices: AB = C)). From which he made the wrong assumption that neural networks with non-linear neural responses wouldn't be very good either.

    7. Re:Point of note by qewl · · Score: 2, Informative

      Why the apostrophe in "nazi's"? Yea, you're also forgetting that the question mark should be inside the quotes there!

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    8. Re:Point of note by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
      He probably confused the idea of adding an apostrophe on for things like 10's, et. al.

      Which is also wrong. You don't need an apostrophe before a plural s unless there is some chance of confusion. There isn't when adding an s to a figure, so you don't need one there.

    9. Re:Point of note by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why the apostrophe in "nazi's"? Yea, you're also forgetting that the question mark should be inside the quotes there!

      No it shouldn't, as what I'm quoting does not include the question mark. This is called the "logical quoting style". I know many Americans migrate punctuation inside quotes regardless of context, but I don't, and in British style it is standard.

    10. Re:Point of note by femto · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why is it that so few people realise the value in proving something to be false?

      The research/reward system discriminates against those who debunk myths. If you prove something to be false you can't patent it and make a pot of money off it. Meanwhile, your hard work has eliminated 'red herrings' allowing others to advance more quickly. Those 'successful' people then take out patents, arrived at more quickly as a consequence of your results, and prevent you from reaping the fruits of your own labour.

      To add insult to injury, other (small minded?) people then denigrate you for being 'unsuccessful'.

  4. Well, sure... by Faust7 · · Score: 4, Funny

    If the water's polluted enough, anyone can walk on it.

  5. Sure number one in engineering... by Gortbusters.org · · Score: 2, Funny

    but dead last in babe-filled orgies!

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    1. Re:Sure number one in engineering... by tapin · · Score: 4, Funny
      but dead last in babe-filled orgies!
      That's okay, they've got water striders gone wild! available on the "More pictures" page.
  6. I predict... by Anonvmous+Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... somebody will soon use the word 'overlords', and it won't really be funny.

  7. MIT by Dachannien · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yes, this particular research project is very cool.

    However, since it was mentioned in the original post, I will say that USN&WR's rankings are flawed, and do not necessarily reflect the quality of research taking place at a particular institution. In fact, a significant portion of their rankings are based on name recognition alone, which has nothing to do with quality of research.

  8. Dupe by Saeger · · Score: 5, Informative
    This water strider story was posted two weeks ago, but because the way it was worded this time, the focus of the posts will probably be on robots (and dupe flaming) rather than the Christian Science Monitor being remarkably unbiased. :)

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  9. Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    In case the site is slow, here's a mirror to the link in the article.

  10. Re:Eh?? by dollargonzo · · Score: 4, Informative

    it's no mystery as to how they stay afloat. the big question was how they propel themselves

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  11. Re:Eh?? by thelen · · Score: 4, Informative

    The question is about propulsion, not weight-to-surface tension ratios sufficient for flotation. This research gives a better explanation of the mechanism by which the water skimmers move with such great efficiency (namely by created subsurface vortices with their middle pair of legs) and puts to rest the notion that it is attributable to the waves themselves created by a rowing action.

  12. The real reason why by Catharz · · Score: 5, Funny

    MIT is number one in engineering.

    Robostrider is made out of a 7-Up can, stainless steel wire legs and an elastic band coupled to a pulley to power its middle legs.

    Too much 7-Up and not enough beer being consumed for it to be a fair contest. They should increase their beer consumption to that of other colleges and level the playing field.

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    1. Re:The real reason why by mizhi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      MIT is an incubator of two things: bright engineers and alcoholics.

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  13. very pc of them by jmarkantes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can't upset the censors.

    J

  14. In 5 Easy Steps: by Hal+The+Computer · · Score: 3, Funny

    HALtheComputer's 5 step alchemy course for the twenty-first century

    Step 1. Take a beaker full of wine.
    Step 2. When no one is looking dump the beaker out and refill it with wine. (to obtain this "no one looking" state I suggest an elaborate ruse: something along the lines of, "Look, whats that over there?")
    Step 3. Incorporate
    Step 4. Go Public
    Step 5. PROFIT !!!

    P.S. If you plan on submitting this plan to a venture capitalist you could at least spell check it first. I'm far too busy to concern myself with mundane things like spelling.

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    1. Re:In 5 Easy Steps: by mlk · · Score: 3, Funny

      Why? you have a beaker full of wine in step one?

      Wine waster. No worse crime could be commited, well, maybe vodka wasting.

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  15. I wonder ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    If it can walk on water - does it run on linux?

  16. Re:Jebusbot by PetWolverine · · Score: 3, Funny

    Actually, if you RTFA, while the bot has been seen walking on water, it has not yet been conclusively demonstrated to be a religious figure among other robots. Therefore a crucifixion would at this point be premature, as it would not make the water-walking bot a martyr to solidify and justify the faith of millions of robot minions for millennia to come.

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  17. correction.. by linuxislandsucks · · Score: 2, Informative

    The actual measure of the number one school engineering is the school with the highest number of graduates as actual astronauts serving with NASA..

    That record past and present is held by Purdue University...

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    1. Re:correction.. by cybermace5 · · Score: 4, Funny

      You do realize that the space program started with unmanned craft, then insects, perhaps mice, then on to monkeys, and then Purdue graduates....

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  18. I bet it walks on Charles river by meshko · · Score: 4, Funny

    Charles river (the river that MIT stands on) is always covered by a film of oil which is approximately one inch thick. You don't have to be a freaking rocket scientist to build a robot which walks on *that*.

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    1. Re:I bet it walks on Charles river by mindstrm · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cool. Go build one. Scientific fame awaits you.

      The problem is not floating, the problem is walking... propulsion....

  19. Re:You make a good point, namely by SoupIsGoodFood_42 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    How the fuck is splitting an atom going to help anyone?

    You see, science is not about only making big breakthoughs on things in you direct field of interest. A lot of it is small discoveries, that are used down the road in ways that people didn't think of when they made the discovery.

  20. Re:You make a good point, namely by Fly · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm sure no one could possibly know yet. How is grinding little pieces of glass to play with light and images going to help anyone? (He writes while wearing corrective lenses.)

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  21. Re:Why does it even matter? by Fly · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It's much to early to tell how this will help us build better boats or water based technologies. If we already knew how to apply the technology, we wouldn't be researching to understand the science of what makes it work.

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  22. will scale, somewhat by rebelcool · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The scale of water bugs goes from .5" to 10", its more of a function of keeping the surface area of the 'legs' in proportion with the weight and balance of the rest of the body.

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  23. I don't care who your father is... by bstadil · · Score: 5, Funny

    Do not walk where I am fishing.

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  24. 3-link Swimmer by frantzdb · · Score: 2, Informative

    Just to save everyone the trouble, the third robot the fluids lab appears to be working on is a 3-segment swimmer.

  25. Censored photos of waterstrider sex? by grinchmaster · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the linked page http://www-math.mit.edu/%7Edhu/Striderweb/striderw eb.html Someone has blotted out the intimate details of the waterstriders mating ritual. Is he seriously worried about offending someone, or is he worried about hosting a porn site? Who says political correctness has gone wrong... This is just pathetic.

    1. Re:Censored photos of waterstrider sex? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yeah it is pathetic. Having said that, does anyone have the undoctored version, and if so could they email them to me at insex@hotmail.com?

      Please.

    2. Re:Censored photos of waterstrider sex? by RebelWithoutAClue · · Score: 3, Informative

      This guy _might_ have been trying to make a point about censorship in the world, or maybe just trying to crack a joke ? :)

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  26. Re:You make a good point, namely by marko123 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...small discoveries, that are used down the road in ways that people didn't think of...

    Excellent point. Sex toys and porn were not on the minds of the engineers when they were developing their respective techn...

    Awwr, who the hell am I trying to kid?

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  27. Re:I heard of this ages ago. by 1u3hr · · Score: 2, Informative
    ffs catch up.

    They did; this is the rerun.

    Posted by michael on Friday August 08, @08:55PM
    from the good-junkyard-wars-challenge dept.
    capt.Hij writes "There is an interesting article at the Christian Science Monitor about how water skimmers are able to move the way they do. This new theory debunks the previously accepted theory and answers why smaller, younger water skimmers are also able to move the same way as their elders: 'As he looked into the question, he adds, he learned that the reigning explanation leaves an unsolved puzzle: If these tiny insects propel themselves in the way many researchers think they do, then baby water striders should go nowhere fast.'" There's also a BBC story with pictures.
  28. Re:Eh?? by uradu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    > The question is about propulsion, not weight-to-surface tension ratios sufficient for flotation

    Unfortunately the article doesn't make that very clear. They could spell out that the issue is locomotion, not flotation. At first I thought, what the h3ll, it's obvious that they're floating because they're not breaking the surface tension. But then they kept talking about moving and skimming and swimming, so it dawned on me that they're talking about how the walker generates forward motion on a near friction-less medium. That's where the vortices come in, quasi as a surface to push against.

  29. Creepy... by MoeMoe · · Score: 5, Funny

    Robostrider is made out of a 7-Up can, stainless steel wire legs and an elastic band coupled to a pulley to power its middle legs.

    I'm not sure what would bother me more to see upclose in the pool, a Vietnamese Water Strider, or a 7-Up can with legs...

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  30. You've apparently never been anywhere NEAR MIT by j.e.hahn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    MIT students are FAMOUS for their excesses. Drugs, Alcohol, Sex, you name it. So don't kid yourself. Most MIT kids are getting way more than their RDA of beer and liquor.

    I've met MIT frat boys (yes, MIT has real frats, and real frat parties.) whose frats had "drug budgets" and an officer of Drug Procurement. I've been asked to leave frat parties because they didn't want me competing for the girls I came with.

    MIT kids are not dorky and innocent. Anyone who thinks so is in for a surprise.

    1. Re:You've apparently never been anywhere NEAR MIT by tgd · · Score: 2, Funny

      Sex? I've worked right in the middle of MIT, and didn't even know that! Why the hell didn't someone tell me that when I was single!?!?

  31. what's the research about again? by jonbrewer · · Score: 4, Interesting

    several people who thing that MIT's direction in AI has gone seriously awry

    What does this have to do with AI?

    The research reported on is primarily about fluid dynamics. Robostrider is a catchy thing they've created to bring attention to the important findings. In fact, seeing as the strider is powered by a rubber band, not only does it not have anything to do with AI, it has nothing to do with robotics either.

    This doesn't mean it's not wicked cool.

    For more cool (without downloading a video), check out david hu's beautiful strider pics.

  32. Finally! by billyradcliffe · · Score: 3, Funny

    My theory that Jesus was really a robot sent from the future finally has some evidence to back it up!

  33. Only in Bree by FreakerSFX · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everywhere else it's known as RoboAragorn.

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  34. In other news... by nacturation · · Score: 4, Funny

    Researchers at MIT have solved the mystery of how teenage boys satisfy themselves several times daily and in the process have created a robot called Robostroker that mimics the behavior.

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  35. MIT #1 my ass by superpulpsicle · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I can count more unemployed MIT grads in today's economy than hair on my head. No, I am not bald.

    It's articles like this pointing MIT #1 that forces so many employers to fear hiring these engineers nowadays. They are so smart that if they innovate something... they are considered a waste.

  36. Re:Why does it even matter? by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It doesn't matter, I'd hire this person to the exclusion of his peers at MIT. Why? It's creative, I didn't think about it, and I can use someone whose brain works like that.

    I can hire coders & designers easily. They're a dime a dozen. I can hire GOOD -> excellent coders or designers more difficultly by talking to friends of friends etc, but they exist and are plentiful enough. To hire someone that will build a rediculous thing that no one has really seen before, carry that design through to completion, and make headlines...that person I'd pay a lot of money to. He'll make me filthy rich if I'm nice to him.

  37. Re:Why does it even matter? by AntiOrganic · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't know about water boats, but knowing MIT students you'll probably see these things floating in a few water bongs.

  38. Re:Dupe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't figure this out. I'm an apathetic agnostic (by which I mean that I care so little about religion and the question of the existence of deities that I can't even bother to call myself an atheist) and I generally find the Christian Science Monitor to be one of the more reputable publications here in the US of A. Maybe people see the word "Christian" in the title and fly off the handle?

    Take a look at it, for crying out loud. The CSM is not some kind of slobbering fundamentalist rag. It's a mainstream news and information source. On the front page, I can't see a single article that could be even remotely construed as fundy jibber-jabber (Pete Sampras is retiring?) The way a lot of Slashbots react to it, you would think they were referring to something like WorldNetDaily, a site which drips with xenophobic, anti-minority, anti-gay, anti-non-Christian, borderline-fascist rhetoric.

    People who are inclined to bash the Christian Science Monitor should at least take a look at it before they flame away. They might be surprised.

  39. Dear MIT, please consider the following projects by mabu · · Score: 3, Funny

    * Playah Robot

    This automaton goes out to the clubs and picks up women and brings them back to your place. The Playah Robot never complains about getting stuck with the fat chick.

    * Voicemail Robot

    This robot will save you from wasting time in voicemail hell with your local utility company, diligently pressing 1 for English, 7 for other, 3 for other, and 0 to speak to a human, and after an hour and a half will notify you that a human has answered the phone and is ready to speak to you.

    * Alibi Robot

    This robot corroborates your story to your girlfriend that you were busy studying last Saturday night.

    * Beer Run Robot

    With alternate "Mountain Dew" plugin available.

  40. Re:Eh?? by The+Only+Druid · · Score: 2, Informative

    In oversimplified english, sub-surface vortices are swirls in the water immediately below the surface of the water.

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  41. Gecko robots by jdfox · · Score: 2, Informative

    And yet they haven't made a robot that can walk up walls like a gecko.

    No, MIT haven't made a wall-walking gecko-robot yet, but Berkeley have, and so have DARPA.

  42. Re:Dupe by Phroggy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe people see the word "Christian" in the title and fly off the handle?

    I'd bet some people see "Science" in the title and confuse it with the Church of Scientology.

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