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Apple Switches tcsh for bash
gklinger writes "AppleInsider is reporting that Apple has switched from tcsh to bash in the the latest developer build (7B44) of Mac OS X 10.3 (Panther). There is speculation that the switch was made to appeal to Linux users. Experienced users get pretty religious about their shells so what remains to be seen is how diehard tcsh users will react." I don't know about appealing to Linux users in particular, but I just don't know many people who prefers tcsh these days, on any platform. It seems like everyone is using bash or zsh.
You can get all the software updates from the command line, at least the ones that come through Software Update. The command is "softwareupdate", and needs to be run as root.
bash$ set -o margin-bell /usr/share/sounds/bell.ogg
I know Apple is just a desktop OS, but remember that it's a powerful platform usable for literate users and not just for mom and grandpa -- myself including. I'm glad that they finally realized that. I have only one questions: was it only recently that they read Tom Christiansen's great article about csh-like shells? Seriously, it was published in 1996. Heaven't they read it before? Haven't they known about those issues which Tom points out before? I know Apple doesn't have a strong Unix background (hell, Apple doesn't even have a CLI background), still I find it somehow strange. Great news though.
from shell (or just find the double clickable icon):
/Applications/Utilities/NetInfo\ Manager.app
open
now navigate to users->$userWhosShellYouWantToChange
find the key named....(this is a tough one) "shell" and then just put the shell you want...bash....whatever...
I think what he was saying is:
/some/big/long/complicated/dir/name[enter]
ls
[up arrow]
[backspace]x5
[down arrow]
[up arrow]
The "/name" is still missing. This history has been edited. There is no way to get it back. I like it for when I accidently type my password on the command line, I can go back up and delete it, and it will be gone. I don't like it, when I remove a complicated command and then discover I need it again.
Note the other poster is incorrect, chsh doesn't generally work in OS X (though it may if you switch on the BSD /etc file support.) You can, however, change people's default shells and stuff using NetInfo - NetInfo Manager in Utilities is usually a friendly way of doing this. This is also what you use if you want to change the shell that comes up in >console mode.
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
bash has been bundled since 10.2. zsh has been there since the beginning, I think.
Yes, a version of it is.
[ravensroost:~] raven% bash
bash-2.05a$
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Ah, I understand now.
There is a way to get it back - clear your line and press return. Now when you press up-arrow the unedited line, with "name" on the end, is still there.
four nine eighteen twenty-7 thirty-nine forty-7 fiftyeight sixty-nine seventy-9 eighty-8 one-hundred-and-nine one-twenty
This will not happen. sendmail is written by Kirk McKusick's partner, Eric Allman, and Apple are still trying very very VERY hard to recruit Kirk to help with speed and more robust POSIX compliance. Pitching Kirk's life partner's work would not be a convincing way of showing Kirk much they want him on board.
So you have a situation like this?:
/usr/local/gugalwumpus-3.2 /home/you/froombor.tar.gz ___________
/usr/local/gugalwumpus-3.2 /home/you/froombor.tar.gz !$
/newdir"
mkdir
cp
I'd do this:
cp
The !$ means "the last part of the last command".
Other cool "bang" commands are:
!! - repeat the last command
!-n - repeat the nth previous command
!* - all of the arguments to the last command
So, if you've ever typed "vm stuff
You *could* up arrow, control-A, control-D, control-F v
or you could type "mv !*"
Lots of nifty shortcuts. Of course, I use tcsh, so what do I know?
sudo softwareupdate
If you edit the line and press enter the old line is preserved, and a new entry of the edited command is added to your history. But if you edit a line, and just push the down arrow key, the old history entry is saved.
So if you want to preserve the old command press enter, if you want to save the edited line, press the down arrow.
The only problem comes is when you want to preserve the old command and press the down arrow by mistake.
Come again?
Funny troll, but emacs is part of the default install.
Caveat: it's possible that emacs is part of the developer's tools rather than a base OSX installation. I don't think that matters though: if you're looking for a "real Unix", then you're going to want a C compiler and all the rest anyway, so you're going to check off the button for "install BSD subsystem" at system install time and you're going to install the developer's tools immediately after you first log in to the system. So whether Emacs was available 0 minutes or 2 minutes after the first login, I still would call that part of a complete operating system, and saying that it's not available is just trolling.
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
Well, OSX has included bash for a long time, so people could always run their bourne scripts. Now it's just default.
I was talking about the interactive shell. I imagine MacOS X users have been confused when they see instrucitons saying that they should type "export PATH=foo" and it doesn't work in their tcsh shell.
-molo
Using your sig line to advertise for friends is lame.
No, it's on my system as well, and I never manually installed it. So feel free to shut the fuck up now.
gabe@jupiter:~$ chsh /bin/tcsh /bin/tcsh
/users/myusername shell /bin/tcsh
chsh: unknown user:
Well, even if you do just 'chsh' and edit the Shell line, it still doesn't make any changes to netinfo...
Perhaps you'll want to do this instead:
niutil -createprop .
Gabriel Ricard
Came with the system. I'm in process of setting up a brand new laptop with OS X 10.2.6, and emacs is there. I haven't even installed Developer Tools as of yet, which is where it was before. So sometime, probably in some update from 10.2.3 to 10.2.6 emacs was added to the basic OS.
I have my bash environment set up to do case-insensitive tab-completion
to do this in OS X:
pico ~/.inputrc
add the following line:
set completion-ignore-case on
ctrl-o (CTRL!!!! not command!!!!)
now restart bash....
You can run software updates from the command line, using /usr/sbin/softwareupdate which even has a man page!
I agree there are some issues with terminal.app, but it's nearly trivial to put on apple's X11 and get a real xterm for when you need it. most of the time, terminal.app is good enough.
This is a BSD/Sys V difference and a pain that everyone who made the transition from Sunos 4.x to Solaris had to deal with.
Or skip the "here's how to use a text editor" steps entirely:
The file redirection operators are your friend, no matter what shell dialect you prefer. :)
DO NOT LEAVE IT IS NOT REAL
set nobeep
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I chuckled at that, because I had just the opposite experiance. I also use OSX, Linux, and HP-UX, and in Linux and OSX I am used to typing ps -ax. Then I picked up an HP-9000 and discovered that it didn't work... ps -ef instead. Annoying! I guess the real winner here is Linux for accounting for both.
Sigs are out of style, so I'm not going to use one...oh wait..
Yeah, the shell is easy to change in the Terminal application. In the Terminal menu, go to Preferences, and change the 'Run this command' to /bin/bash or /bin/csh or whatever takes your fancy. If you want more shells, go get Fink, if you've not got it already, and install them from that.
:)
iqu
bindkey ^R i-search-back
Never argue with an idiot. He will lower you to his level and then beat you with experience.
OS X ships with four shells, but in reality there are only two. bash and sh, what should be the Bourne shell, are identical; tsch and csh are too. FWIW.
I like the idea though, and I'm a bit saddened by the fact that no-one's doing much to advance the state of the CLI. I think there's plenty to be done, and not just with CLI/GUI fusion.
Fuck the system? Nah, you might catch something.
You can just update your account to use whatever shell you want anyway. I see both bash and tcsh on my MacOS X 10.2 install, so there should be no trouble for someone who cares enough to change shells.
It is a moot point.
Brennan Stehling - http://brennan.offwhite.net/blog/
I'm running 10.2.6 with bash 2.05a. I put 'set completion-ignore-case on' in my .inputrc and started a new bash shell. From my home dir, I did:
.profile, .bash_profile, or .bashrc that might be conflicting.
cd Code/p<tab>
bash completed this (correctly) to:
cd Code/Perl
Soooo, works great for me, as advertised. Perhaps double-check your set command (I accidentally used 'completion-case-ignore' at first), and double check anything you have in
Perl - $Just @when->$you ${thought} s/yn/tax/ &couldn\'t %get $worse;
Yes, OS X comes with /bin/bash /bin/csh /bin/sh /bin/tcsh /bin/zsh, so you can change your default shell to any of these by entering it in the Terminal Preferences panel. Or you can switch to a different shell from the terminal by simply entering the shell name.