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Building Up a Small Computer Business?

Hogg asks: "I'm a senior in high school, and feeling very industrious over the summer, I started a home business. Basically, I go onsite and service computers and charge far less than what the 'pros' with the MCSEs and so on do. It's been going fairly well so far, but I wonder if Slashdot has tips, advice, or pitfalls to avoid?"

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  1. My advice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Speaking as someone who has started a small home computer business few years ago (and have failed miserably -- now I'm a bankrupt) I can only advise you to not spend your investors money on hookers. I know, it seems to be a great life style at first and the girls are amazing, but trust me, you really need those money to buy hardware, because otherwise your investors (and the bank) will be really pissed off.

  2. Insurance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    The pros charge so much to pay for their insurance. What happens when somebody's computer breaks a month down the line, and they think it's your fault? Are you going to buy them a new computer, or let them sue you?

  3. Condoms by \\ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Make sure you bring condoms for all those times you bump into lonely ladies out there in computer land.

    I am so not kidding.

  4. Get it in Writing by darkkewulf · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Always have a disclaimer form that releases you from liability should something go wrong. If my customer won't sign the form, I won't touch the PC. That way, the user can't blame you if he screws up and loses everything from his drive a few weeks after you've done your thing.

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    "All universal moral principles are idle fantasies." -The Marquis de Sade
    1. Re:Get it in Writing by pbrammer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Be careful though, if it's your fault, it's your fault.

      A disclaimer does not legally remove the burdon off of your shoulders. If you are responsible for damages to a computer, you are responsible for those damages regardless of said disclaimer sheet.

      Liability release forms also do not hold their water in court. Take a place that has a climbing wall that also rents out equipment for that wall. You sign a liability release form that states if something you do is reckless [and to your point above], you cannot sue them, but if they haven't kept up on checking their harnesses and one breaks and you fall two stories to the ground - breaking your neck - you can sue them for negligence.

      Phil

  5. price by togofspookware · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When people ask "OK, now how much do I owe you?", you say: "I dunno. What do you want to pay me?"

    If the people where you live are anything like the ones around here, you'll end up getting paid more than you would if you set a price ^_^

    Unless, of course, you were GOING to have them pay you 50$ an hour. I only charged 15.

    Sometimes I'll show up at someone's house, and they'll have fixed the problem themselves, but then they give me 20$ just for the trouble of riding my bike a couple blocks to their house.

    Don't expect too much, though. I only made 300$ this summer (half enough to pay for my new computar!). But for the amount of work I did, that wasn't bad. Far better than bagging groceries, anyway.

    My kybard sucs tody.

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    1. Re:price by gklinger · · Score: 4, Funny
      I only made 300$ this summer (half enough to pay for my new computar!).

      On the other hand, you made more than enough to purchase a dictionary, young "computar" consultant.

    2. Re:price by psyco484 · · Score: 3, Informative
      Hmmm...$15 seems a fair price for a kid that spells computer "computar."

      Asking your customers how much they want to pay you only works if you're fixing a friend's computer...I know plenty of places that would say "oh hell, I could've done that, here's 30 bucks," except they couldn't have done it, and you worked 5 hours. Being upfront about your rate is always a good idea, but especially when you add in "depending on what I actually have to do, I charge $XX an hour"

      I charged $18 an hour at a place I stayed at for 80 hours, and $20 an hour for places I worked for a day or less. Through some small scale advertising in the news paper, usually just saying "computer systems upgraded, maintained, repaired," and a phone number I got a number of jobs with this rate. I don't have any certifications, nor can I afford them, but seeing as how the grocery store wouldn't hire me to push carts at minimum wage, I think I did fairly well for myself. Don't forget that if you make enough you've gotta file your tax stuff properly or the gov will hunt you down and break your knees.

      A lot of people think that either no one is willing to hire a high school/freshmen college student to work on their computers, or that charging something like $20 an hour at that age is too much. Well, it's not true. At $20 an hour, you're damn cheap labor as far as IT goes. If the company can't afford that, then they're certaintly not going to hire a "professional." I charged a total of $1500 to a small firm, to do all kinds of stuff in a 3 week period, they were not only happy that they finally got their network running properly, but that they got such a good deal on decent computer work. The guy before me was charging them $80 to plug in cables and tell win98 machines to login at an NT server, they threw him out after about 8 hours since he screwed it up and ripped them off. I worked harder and longer at a quarter the price, but the work I got this summer gave me experience in something I've never done before, and enough money to pay the tuition bills for the next year, so it was a good deal for me and the company. If he was charging so much to cover insurance costs, he kind of screwed himself over in that respect. I don't have insurance, I just have clients sign a contract outlining what I'm actually doing, and that I'm only liable for what I've done. In summary, if their hard drive crashes and they lose all their data, tough luck, not my fault. If the hard drive I installed improperly fails, I replace the hard drive, but they're SOL if they didn't make backups like I outlined they woud in the contract. This covers my ass adequetly without the hefty insurance costs. Just make sure you take precautions before you open that case up and you'll be fine.

      Something else to watch out for that I'll just touch upon briefly is to make sure you have no liability over software you end up installing on their computer. MANY times I've run into people that want me to install the same copy of Windows XP Pro on 10 different workstations, and do the same with that copy of Office XP their friend burned for them, etc. etc. If you install the software on their machine, you've gotta make sure you're not reasponsible if it's illegal. Whether you actually do what they want and install that copy of XP on 80 different computers or if you tell them "sorry, you're going to have to pay the $16000 license fees to do that," you gotta make sure you're absolved from any "illegal" stuff. Note, this is also a good way to get a company to pay you if they don't want to for whatever reason: "I know you have 79 hot copies of XP pro running in your office, I'm sure the BSA would love to hear that..." usually get's them to cut you a check right then ;).

    3. Re:price by greenhide · · Score: 3, Funny

      My kybard sucs tody.

      I'm not hiring someone who can't even get their keyboard to work.

      Keyboards cost what, $10? Go get yourself a new one.

      --
      Karma: Chevy Kavalierma.
    4. Re:price by fehlschlag · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I found I often preferred a combo of barter and monetary payment from the smaller opps. Become friends with the folks you help, get some free dinners, game tickets, etc, along with some cash to buy the required amounts of beer to survive.

      The occasional larger business contract pays the rent for a while, and allows you to invite those new friends over - suddenly there's word of mouth: extra bonus points.

  6. Well.. by rylin · · Score: 4, Funny

    Usually, you should start out with a business plan.
    For good examples, check out pretty much any slashdot thread. Example:
    1) Ask slashdot how to start a business and what slashdot users want
    2) Buy a nice leased line and set up a webserver on it (preferably heavily driven by databases and dynamic content)
    3) Advertise said site on slashdot
    4) Prof...
    5) Buy a new webserver
    6) Declare yourself bankrupt

  7. Business & Trust by Wade+Tregaskis · · Score: 3, Insightful
    I'm not speaking from personal experience - so take some salt - but from talking with friends [who do tech support consulting] your best bet is to target small to medium business', rather than consumers. That's if you're going primarily for money - it may be more personally rewarding to work with consumers (especially if you believe some of the posts here, although no one I've talked to has had the opportunity to mix business and pleasure to that extent).

    With business', you can build up a really good regular customer base by demonstrating that you trust and care for them. Carry a set of spare components (hard disks, ram, maybe an optical drive or two, etc) with you all the time. If some hardware is acting flaky - and you can't fix it immediately - lend them a replacement and/or substitute. Most business' will be used to lazy, pushy & expensive IT guys, and the mere act of lending them a replacement stick of ram for a week or two will boggle their brains.

  8. Avoid burnout! by Whatchamacallit · · Score: 5, Funny

    Watch out for problem customers. i.e. the one's who call you every week and try to be cheap about paying you. Don't accept food for work. Don't accept checks until you have verified their ability to pay you. i.e. never take a check on the first couple visits. If they bounce a check on you, terminate future business with them until they pay you for the check they bounced plus interest. Always charge them per hour the same rate.

    Invest in the tools you are going to need. It's going to be expensive. You need to be a pro and recover almost any data and fix dead systems. Therefore, you are going to need spare hardware and a ton of software tools such as Winternals Admin Pak, etc. ($699 license) XP & NTFS is the need for this cost. NTFS is a real pain to mount and work with there are no decent free toolsets for NTFS. You can get around it but believe me, you need the AdminPak it has saved my bacon a bazillon times already and it's worth every damn penny! A really good laptop and possibly a small miniture desktop system so you can pull an IDE hard disk and mount it in your own semi-portable system, etc.

    Not everyone has broadband, start building CD-R's full of drivers, etc. You may have to stop by a customer site and do a survey to find out what hardware they have so you can then go back to your office and download everything to CD because they have a 28.8kbps modem and it's barely working.

    The reason the pro's charge so much is they have had to buy insurance to protect them against lawsuits. They have to invest in training and tools both hardware and software. They have rent and taxes to pay. Remember, in the USA you have to file tax returns quarterly with Uncle Sam even for a small consulting business.

    I know a whole lot of kids and others who did what you are contemplating for a few years. Few made any money at it and most burned themselves out in less then 3 years; finally saying screw this and getting a real job. (something better then bagging groceries). Once you are out of High School and you get a real job, you will see how futile it was.

    It's good training to put your feet to the fire and you will get a ton of experience. But watchout! One customer with a lawsuit and you are toast! Then get tagged by the IRS because you are dealing under the table and not paying taxes, etc.

    You will have to deal with complete idiots who have 4 or 5 computers, broadband, and the boxes are full of spyware, trojans, viruses, etc. The user will have run ethernet cable outdoors and literally used two patch cables connected with an RJ45 splitter and wrapped in duct tape! This was hanging outside the house in Connecticut! It will be exposed to temperature extremes (contraction & expansion) and his connection will come and go, plus it will corrode (not gold plated). When I got there all of his boxes were so full of crap, viruses, trojans, and I am pretty sure they were all hacked and spending spam! It took me 2 weeks to rebuild everything and restore all his data, change all his passwords, install a firewall, and updated NAV licenses. I also offered to rerun the ethernet cable with a single run of cable rather then his mickey mouse patch cables + duct tape solution! Meanwhile, I had to contend with his Jesus Freak rhetoric and being happy about the end of the world!

    Bottom line, get insurance (all it takes is for you to break something simply by accident, it happens to the best of tech's), get bonded, get the tools, get a car and not a bicycle, get a whole lot of patience, and be prepared to turn away customers who are trouble! Don't give anything away for free. Charge less then the competition but don't undercharge too much! Look for small business outfits rather then home consumer users. Start your own business rather then run under the table.

    Oh and get a gun permit and carry a box of condoms! ...
    Yeah, I've made house calls to horney woman and I've shot rats the size of small dogs in dirt floor basements. I've also met some very very weird people. Think, Silence of the Lambs weirdo's! Bodies in the basement, etc. Be prepared to show up and walk or run away quickly!

    1. Re:Avoid burnout! by zulux · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He will need something to read NTFS when a system won't boot. Winternals AdminPak is the only decent tool that works as well as it does

      Knoppix (the bootable, CD-ROM Linux) - will read NTFS file-systems and allow you to ftp, rsync, or scp the contents over to another computer.

      1) Insert Knoppix CD
      2) Boot
      3) Wait a few momoents
      4) You now have a desktoip with the NTFS partition(s) as little icons.
      5) Browse them.
      6) Copy files over network.

      The best thing is that the NTFS file-system is mounted read only - so you can't do any more damage than there already has been done.

      (yes 'NTFS file-system' is redundant, excuse me while I go to the ATM machine)

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      Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.

  9. Don't be too nice by gregRowe · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I know it sounds strange but be very strict about billing. Many small businesses are too trusting and too nice and allow other businesses to walk all over them.

    Make sure you bill promptly and accurately and be sure to charge late charges on accounts. If a customer becomes past due do not perform further work for them. You can't work for free and make a living.

    Also, don't charge *too much* below what the MCSEs charge. It's stupid but people will automatically think that you are of lesser quality. You have to have an air of confidence, and charging "high" prices shows that you feel you are worth that much.

    Greg

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  10. A few tips by mnmn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I have been doing this for the past 2 years as a part time job, assembling PCs for people, repairing, antivirus use, spyware removal, windows reinstall, Internet software install and the likes.

    Tip # 1: On slashdot NEVER call MCSEs pros. I know many people who got their MCSEs during the Windows NT4 days and dont know how to use MS excel. Maybe you meant A+

    Tip # 2: Never provide a warranty, and make sure they understand that. They cannot come back 6 months later with a bad driver and ask for free service because you didnt fix it right.

    Tip # 3: Do not service Pentium1 and lower computers.

    Tip # 4: Do not hand out drivers and ghost images of the users data. Let them come back to you with future problems. Learn something from microsoft.

    Tip # 5: Build a reputation. When you have to install firewalls and servers in office locations, use Linux or BSD. You can put that on your resume.

    Tip # 6: Dont rely on it as a major source of income. Get a degree, get the real certifications and years of experience, then tell all your clients you no longer work for them.

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    "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
  11. 8 simple rules. by elliotj · · Score: 4, Informative

    1) Don't underestimate elasticity of demand. By this I mean, don't charge too little. People get a sense of security when they pay more for a service. A computer is like your body: when you get sick, do you go to the discount teenage doctor? No, you got to a professional and pay the money, because it is important to you. Make sure you charge your customers throught the nose, even if you know the job isn't very hard. They don't know that.

    2) Charge for travel time. Don't even think about leaving the house if you're not getting paid. Don't give into the temptation to give freebies to keep your customers happy. Make it clear from the begining that they're paying you a minimum $100 every time they pick up the phone and ask you to help them out - even if they have fixed their own problem by the time you arrive. This breeds respect. They won't feel they can exploit you.

    3) Invoice immediately. This probably should be rule #1. Send out the invoice the same day you do the job. It'll keep you well organized and your customers will appreciate remembering what you did for them when they pay your bill. Also, it keeps you liquid.

    4) As mentioned on this thread, get them to sign a disclaimer before you begin.

    5) Target small/medium businesses. Private customers are the worst. Don't go near them if you can avoid it. They're a lot of trouble.

    5.a) Target branch offices of larger corporations that have their HQs elsewhere. The IT manager in another city will appreciate having a smart person he can call to fix his remote office. He's often under the gun to get things fixed and will probably give you steady business.

    6) Don't be afraid to drop customers who don't pay promptly. If they call and haven't paid their bill, tell them to call when they have. Period. A business is in business to make money. If you wanted to waste time, you'd read Slashdot.

    7) Find other small partners. You can't be an expert in everything and people will ask you to do a whole range of things. If you're a systems guy, team up with a web developer, an app developer, and a small hardware reseller. Refer business to them. Get them to do the same.

    8) Be prompt, courteous and polite. Your word is bond. If you commit to something, you have to do it. Servicing your customer is very important. Simply don't agree to something if you don't think you can or want to do it.

  12. Re:Let me understand this... by mnmn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Youre an MCSE calling yourself a 'pro' and feeling threatened by a high school PC repair kid who calls MCSEs 'pros'. And you're I presume trying to feed mouths with your MCSE. I admire that.

    I'm an MCSE + MCSD + CCNA + LCA getting an RHCE soon, and still looking for work. And I'm barely a 'pro'. So if you're threatened by a high-schooler, take that as a message.

    --
    "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
  13. Talk to an accountant by Mastoid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Seriously. Before you do anything, find out what an accountant says to you about running a small business. You'll avoid all the hidden expenses that can snag you later when you've already spent your profits, and an accountant can also introduce you to the wonderful world of deductions that you are suddenly entitled to.

    For example, Pennsylvania has this inane "self employment" tax for independent contractors and small business owners. It is above and beyond all the rest of the taxes that regular salaried employees pay, but you might not find out about it until they go through your tax return and send you a bill with interest due a year and a half later.

    Accountants can help you decide how much of your rent/mortgate/utilities/whatever are permissible for deductions as business expense and whether it's worth it to keep track of them or simply take the standard deduction. Furthermore, they're familiar with local laws that you won't find out about reading a book on national tax law. Philadelphia and NJ, for instance, have a reciprocal tax agreement, the details of which make my head hurt every time someone tries to explain them.

    An initial consultation won't cost that much and will, without question, save you headaches in the long run.

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    I had an argument...with the person here at the university that teaches OS design. I wonder when I'll learn --Linus
  14. Re:Let me understand this... by kungfooswade · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We live in a captalist society and so you must expect someone to undercut you whether they do the job better or not. It's simply called competition.

    Besides, this guy has shown some moxy putting forth an effort to learn more and get some experience all on his own. And now he would like some business tips. We should be supportive of any person like this.

    What if this were your son?

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  15. Two Words by v_1matst · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Forget It.

    If you're in high school, go and do high school things. I'm not saying to go out and get some shitty job flipping burgers, but if you are planning on doing this stuff for the rest of your life (until retirement anyway), keep it as a hobby for now, do open source development, etc, enjoy your life. Then after college worry about getting a job in the industry. Believe me, rushing to sit at a desk all day under artificial light isn't a good idea...