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Aethera 1.0
gatch writes "theKompany.com released version 1.0 of their cross-platform PIM suite Aethera. KOrganizer is included as a calendar and todo list component. Check out these screenshots. According to Shawn Gordon, theKompany president, 'Actually we are about 2 weeks away from having Aethera work with Kolab [groupware server] - at least that is our sense of it at the moment.' Interesting discussion at KDE.news."
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..this is looking like a viable alternative to evolution, which aside from raising the level of development for this sort of software, should be beneficial to the desktop linux market; having a viable alternative to outlook is one thing, but having a community in which more than one are being actively developed to compete or provide more choice for companies migrating to different operating systems is excellent. :)
The interface certainly doesn't look as pretty as evolution (although it's hard to tell; after 5 posts, the server is treacley already), but I'm not really into KDE interfaces. *shrug*.. it'll be interesting to see how much of a userbase it builds..
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...excellent, I hope it's buggy so I can migrate from Outlook easily.
Krone der Schopfung:
Es gibt soviel zu seh'n
Du willst alles versteh'n
Du stellst deine Fragen
Alles ist fur dich neu
Fragst weshalb und warum
Doch hier bleibt jeder stumm
Was soll man schon sagen
auf deine Fragen
Unschuldig und ehrlich
und dennoch gefahrlich
Denn eines Tages
weiBt auch du wer du bist
Dann spielst du vergebens
im Spiel des Lebens
um ein paar Punkte mehr
um einen besseren Platz
Du bist gebor'n
Du bist verlor'n
in diesem Sog
der Leben heiBt
Du wirst werden wie ich
wie er oder der
Doch was immer du wirst
es andert nichts mehr
Es ist die Zeit die dir bleibt
die dich weitertreibt
Du bist auf dem Weg aus dem
Nichts in die Ewigkeit
Es ist das Leid das du siehst
das dich verwirrt
auf deinem Weg
Krone der Schopfung
Bald wirst du sein
wie wir alle sind
Du bist auf dem Weg
Du bist rein
Du bist ein Kind
Doch du wirst alt
Du wirst kalt
und nicht versteh'n
warum du lebst
Krone der Schopfung
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Such dir einen Partner
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Wo ist die Macht
die uns in Schranken weist
Ja das Leben ist schnell
ist individuell
Wer weiB worum es geht
warum die Welt sich dreht
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That's so Kool dude. Let's Klap our hands in Komplete celebration.
"Sufferin' succotash."
Another long year GNOME user switched his father and himself to KDE read here.
The webserver has already disappeared into the ether
Do not try to read the dupe, thats impossible. Instead, only try to realize the truth
What truth?
There is no dupe
I think I'm lost in the world of IT about what PIM, groupware and all that actually do, what applications they got in this world (both in professional and personal use) and how these technologies improve our current situation?
Hate me!
The KDE Desktop Environment is sponsored by the canopy group, which is in turn sponsored by the Klu klux klan. Why do you thinK that there is Kthis, kthat, khere, kthere, keverywhere.
Support quality software, use Gnome!
Kuality troll idiot. Where the hell do you see quality in the mess that people call GNOME ?
Overwise, ill just swtich back to windows, which had a better file dialog when windows 3.0 came out.
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lilo: linux init=/bin/bash - Instant root without password
Dude: Use grub. Set a password.
Could someone in the know explain to me the advantages this have over Kontact, the KDE PIM solution? Since it is already using KAddressbook and KOrganizer, that juts leaves ToDo and email.... KMail is already a highly capable email client, I doubt they could improve on that much?
Doesn't look like it integrates with Palm OS devices, as Evolution does (and some other KDE PIM apps).
It all goes back to the old saying that if someone has physical access to yuor machine, you're already fucked.
... shame I'm not one of them. It's nice to hear than we've got another competitor to Outlook and Novell Ximian Evolution that will keep development nice and fresh.
On a related note, where did this K-ism thing come from? It really bugs me, quite honestly. I presume it's from the original "Cool" = "Kool" thing, but considering that the K in KDE no longer stands for Kool it seems to me that it's getting rather tiresome!
kWhat Kis Kthe Kdeal Kwith Kmaking Kall Kyour Kwords Kstart Kwith Kthe Kletter K?
Karma: The shiznight, mostly because I am the Drizzle.
I have a GRUB password so this trick doesn't work on my machine. But there's nothing to stop someone booting my PC from a floppy and stealing my documents.
;)
Point is, there's nothing to stop this happening in any other operating system either, including Windows - unless you use encrypted file systems - again available in most major operating systems including Linux!
So, when people go on and on about this trick as an example of how Linux isn't secure, I just ignore them
Until they can build in compatibility with Microsoft vulnerabilities, you are welcome to use the Linux virus. It works on the honor system:
You know, I talk about the state of software with a large number of companies.
...the rest of the presentation, I hope to have up for download soon. I am working out the kinks with the audio make overs for the slide show, but hope to have it all done soon.
All of them clueless, specifically, about what is about to happen to the IT industry/software industry world wide due to the open source movement.
The biggest losers? US and Europe?
Why is that? Continue reading to find out why China is the next 21st century super power, and the US and Europe will be side players for the most part in the later half of this century.
At the moment I give open office presentations, if I can get an audience, to companies and hope to have a multimedia version of it built so you can download it at my website: http://www.aesgi.com
But, here are some of the things I point out:
1) The computing industry, historically required companies and corporations of individuals, so that capital could be organized along with labor to produce software.
This was due to the fact it was incredibly expensive to obtain hardware, and software was a real bitch to build.
You HAD to have a corporate entity, or government backing to build software.
2) As our industry has evolved, hardware has become extremely cheap and powerful...through competition. Software Engineering has allowed tools to progress that enable extremly sophisticated views of the software process to become possible.
This is because hardware has become SO powerful, that and individual now can now rely on whole "environments" to make very smart decisions in constructing software, or at the very least, inquire about contributions to said software from a colleague.
3) The internet has eliminated the need for corporations/institutions to build high quality/very complex software. For very little cost, organizational units that are far superior to what can be bought can be assembled at very little cost using the internet.
Intellectual capital using this method of organization and procurement is superior to what any single corporation can purchase.
4) The corporate mantra/dogma of build software, release software for sale, then add features, then sell, then add features then sell again, is dieing.
Users don't want more features for often than not, when they only use 10% of a program's feature set anyway.
If all you do is write software, and all your revenues come from only sale of that software your business will start to die very soon.
Whole countries are rebelling, due to the fact that software costs are increasing, not because they have to, but because of Western political interests which seek to lock the market up with unfair laws, and to maintain the status quo.
5) Intellectual Property and Copyright law is about to undergo a MAJOR shift.
American companies are enacting Digital Copyright protection mechanisms that are fundamentally unsound to free trade.
Foreign countries outside the western sphere of influence know this, and are drawing up plans to protect their interests.
6) Countries around the world are watching the US and Europe. They are taking steps to prevent western influence of technology in their countries to protect their soverienty.
Specifically, using open source software, so that American political interests, cannot shut down a countries computing/information infrastructure should someone declare a software or patent violation of foreign soil.
7) China and its neighbors, have told the US and its allies that current copyright law and patent law as written is not acceptable to Chinese state interests.
China has taken steps to halt and reverse the progression of American/European Software into their country.
8) The Far East, the worlds most populous nations, are building infrastructure, based on Open Source.
This has a number of very important implications, such as costing American/European companies 1000% more than Asian companies, just to route a packet over a network, or do a simple mail merge with your favorite office suite, to simply storing a file or printing it.
-Hack
Got Geometrodynamics? Awe, too hard to figure out? Too bad.
Grub is irrelevent. You can set passwords in lilo too, it's just that no one does.
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No one has ever had an original thought
its called inspiration
The second beta of Version 2.4 of the GNU/gnome Desktop Enviroment was released.
The server is slow and may be totally slashdotted soon, so here is a torrent I made which contains all the 11 screenshots in .png format. Please use this instead of the main webserver. (Read about BitTorrent if you're not familiar with it.)
It all goes back to the old saying that if someone has physical access to yuor machine, you're already fucked.
I don't disagree. But that's no reason to make it easy for them...
If the only way they can get in is by disconnecting the hard drive and plugging it into another machine, then by all means make them do that. It's a much bigger barrier to entry than just typing a command at the prompt and will keep out casual snoops. It's also harder to disassemble the case and yank out the drive without anyone noticing.
We have the set of standard KDE apps: KMail, Korganizer, KAddressBook and so on, we have Kroupware project that produced Kolab Server and Kolab Client, we have Kontact (which according to its FAQ is supposed to replace Kolab Client) and now we have Aethera.
At my company I'm lobbying for approving a Linux/KDE-based workstation an an alternative for MS Windows-based setup. However, the requires picking up and recommending a single, unified PIM solution that would be used by employees with Linux/KDE setups. With all those competing solutions appearing one by one it's starting to be quite a difficult task.
Aethera: transporting piss from one place to another since 2003.
..but the menus on their web page don't render properly on Mozilla Firebird, which is standards compliant. It looks fine in IE, and I'm sure in Konqueror. I wonder if the developers fell into the "Our web page looks good in the 95% of the world that use IE (and Konqueror), so that's good enough."
I would validate the page and look for the error, but it's been slashdotted since I viewed the page for the first time.
bananas like monkeys.
The point isn't that Linux isn't secure, it's that it's as insecure as all the others.
"Sufferin' succotash."
https://sourceforge.net/projects/aethera/
Of course TCP/IP, sendmail, BIND, sockets, vi, the r* commands (rsh), etc. were first released in BSD Unix.
This is normal in the open source community and actually fairly healthy. What happens is that the community in general sees a need and then you'll have several solid solutions developed in response.
For example, 4 years ago Linux wasn't "Enterprise" enough because it didn't have a journaling filesystem. Today we have several: ext3, reiserfs, jfs, xfs and probably others.
Before that we needed a decent GUI toolset to replace Motif(which was commercial-only). Several sprung up and today we have 2 really solid and widely used ones, GTK and QT.
So while it's confusing today to have so many choices, typically a couple will dominate the "market" once everything settles down.
Did anyone read that quickly and pronounce it similar to urethra?
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(This message is (c)(r)1997-2003 GNOME foundation)
Will it burn when I take a piss
Compare this to the 'proposal' screenshots for the next rev of Evolution.
On the other hand, PIMs can be really useful. I'm back to being a plain old engineer, but I still like to keep my address book and calendar in my Palm Vx and sync it up with the corresponding software on the desktop. That way if I'm at a meeting I can look at the Palm to see what's next on the schedule, and if I'm somewhere else (e.g. a doctor's appointment) I can check to see what days are free for my 6-month checkup visit. :-) Some people also sync their email onto Palms or Blackberries or whatever, but I've never seen the point. I'm happy to get away from it for a while.
Getting all of this to work on Windows is pretty easy. You can install Palm Desktop and sync the thing to that, or you can just install HotSync and then use "conduits" that sync up the Mozilla address book, Notes, and lots of other tools.
On Linux, you can use KPilot and KOrganizer. I got them set up on the Linux box at my new job a few days ago, and they seem to work ok. The (big) catch is that I don't really want to store my info in KOrganizer. I want the addresses to go into Mozilla and the calendar entries to go into the weird "Corporate Time" system our group uses at work. Unfortunately there's no CorporateTime conduit for Linux (only Linux and Mac), and I haven't been able to make the Mozilla one work on Linux yet either.
Summary: Linux is getting pretty good in the PIM/groupware department, but it has a little ways to go to catch up to Windows.
Groupware is a perversion of an invention in which MS aim separate big business from 10's of 1000's of dollars each year, for a client & server collaboration solution that most companies will never use. It involves combining various technologies into one, yet doesn't really do anything that the company could do already with email, file servers, and other GPL solutions. The whole system is designed to cost your company so much money to implement, that you cannot justify moving to other solutions later without bearing the wrath of your accountants. You mightt as well hand MS the keys to your coffers, as they now have your company by the balls.
Too many graphical things and too much wasted space in the GUI.
... it has no fields. What kind of backwards retarded interface is this?
Things like the graphical "MailCenter" image will never get fixed for UK English spelling.
The View Mail window DOESN'T EVEN HAVE the From: field
I'll stick with the sensible KMail for my e-mail, kaddressbook for my contacts, etc.
The problem with Evolution (yes, I've used it, as my main client at my last job) is that it won't interact with the Kolab server --- unless some third party writes a free connector for it (there exists one already, I think, but it's a non-free per-seat license).
My main gig right now is Linux integration, and Kolab seems to be the best way to replace Exchange. If I (or my clients) want to pay for software, that's fine, and I'll even use SuSE's OpenExchange Server, but as I see it, one of OSS's main sellling points is that companies can keep their thousands of dollars that they would have spent on Exchange or Notes/Domino, and only pay me the labor to set everything up, and I'll maintain it later if they desire.
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Is this one of The Kompany's few GPL projects or is it one if their commercial ones...
I didn't see that mentioned on the pages.. I was thinking this was to be a commercial product, much like their other large projects. Admittedly I stopped following this project long ago when it was pretty much non functional, and wasn't progressing any... So i could be mistaken.
This was *not* meant as a slam, as they have helped out the KDE project on several levels.. I was mostly just curious...( and since Kontact will be free, it would have to prove itsself to be cost effective before i suggest it to clients... )
And really, all kidding aside, the name DOES suck, and one will look silly suggesting it to a CFO in a large company...
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For a file that has been released on Aug 8, I find it hard to believe that Windows users never download the file. The Win32 *.exe file is corrupt for version 1.0 of Aethera. The file integrity is fine, but it is packed incorrectly with the Windows Installer and produces an error message. I tried to extract the compressed archive but some files are overwritten and if I try to run aethera from that directory, all the icons are messed up since it was not installed properly. Is there a fixed install of Aethera 1.0 available out there that does work with Win32? I know.. I know, but I must evaluate this for the Windows platform.
The screenshots look ugly! WinXP'ish icons, no anti-aliasing, and the colors........now, at least people migrating from Win3.1 will feel right at home.
Thanks, you may mod me down now.
At least when you have a 'Kapp'.. you can pretty much guess its KDE compliant..
Not 100% accurate, of course, but with the millions of OSS projects, it does help sort thru things..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
But there's nothing to stop someone booting my PC from a floppy and stealing my documents.
Unless you remove the floppy drive....
But this is all silly talk. We all know the only way to keep a system secure is to run OpenBSD.
Then turn it off. Destroy the power supply connections on the HDD and motherboard. At this point, I like to fill the case with cement, it gives it a nice heft, and it looks really cool at the lan parties.
Next, we chop this into 20 seperate parts, which are then in turn chopped into 20 parts. Finally, we soak these in acid, and bury them 200 feet below sea level in concrete. Shoot all those who know of the location.
Your information has never been so secure!
KMail is very capable but it still blows at IMAP support.
1) easiest: floppy or CD boot (you can get floppies to change windows admins passwords/enabled(disabled) settings many places, same with linux, or most unixes, though risc based unixes are generally safer, and don't have physical access)
2) if that is locked out: messing with lilo/grub, or windows startup
3) bios passwd (enable floppy or CD see step 1)
4) assuming they have all that, clear the cmos, then go to step 3
5)encrypted: WOW! either they care about security, or have too much time on their hands, which means to get in you will have to brute force it.
6)check for the encryption key in different places
Essentially, you can't keep someone out, and almost all of those steps can be completed (up till 5 or 6) in about 10 minutes (maybe slightly more or less) and none of that requires disconnecting the hard drive.
Either you have constant survelence, the threat of survelence, or you trust the people working with the computers if they have physical access.
Anyone have any news on Chandler? For those of you that don't know about it, it's a broadly similar cross-platform PIM that was announced in a blaze of glory several months ago, and has been stuck on version 0.1 ever since. According to the Web site (www.osafoundation.org), it appears as though things are going on in the background with Chandler, but no new code's being released.
Frankly, I'd settle for just about anything to get away from the Exchange/Outlook combination
Anyone else think of the RPG game The Aethra Chronicles when they read the title of this article?
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Yeah, I found it kind of strange that theKompany's web site doesn't make Aethera's license entirely clear. On the other hand, when you click on a download link and get sent to Sourceforge without having to buy it, it becomes pretty obvious that it's at least free-as-in-beer.
And if you download and untar the source code (as I did, because I was curious about this as well), you'll see from the COPYING and COPYING.GPL files that it's apparently licensed under the GPL.
Yay.
<kegObeer> Klez is a virus? I thought it was the lesbian that came bundled with KDE
So many K's. It is associated with "some other" cult, perhaps?
I looked at their "FAQ" but that didn't have anything.
So, the standard question: it's QT based. So is a Mac version in the works?
Aethera looks very nice, but I think any open-soure PIM - at least any that plan to be cross-platform and compete with Outlook - will require a simple, one-step, "important Outlook mail, notes, contacts, and calendar" feature. If it can do that, people might be persuaded to give it a try. But if they have to retype all their contacts and appointments and lose their email archives, forget it.
Isn't it called Notepad?
Also, one man's junk is another's treasure. I may not like how Evolution looks/feels while you may love how it works. To each his own. This allows personalization within an application type (and also the ability to further manipulate it for your corporate use) and also freedom of dependence.
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One thing I like about evolution is that when you are setting up your filters you can filter on pretty much anything you want, including specific headers. This helps for using things like popfile or spambayes filters which use their own specific headers. Aethera only lets you filter on the plain old stuff (subject, body, to, from, etc - no specific headers). Modifying subject lines is so ugly. But other than that, I like how it operates. And importing from other mailboxes, calendar files, etc. seems to work quite well!
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This software is nowhere near polished enough to succeed in a corporate environment. I don't know why it's been called 1.0, but I'd say it was more at the stage of an early beta. You realise this as soon as it loads up. There are graphical elements that don't fit their boxes, so get cut off, that sort of thing.
The other thing I don't understand is that the menus look more like Tk than Qt. This means that it doesn't fit with other KDE applications, at the same time as looking rather worse.
Use Evolution if you want an Outlookalike, otherwise use Mozilla for mail and Tutos for tracking contacts and arranging meetings.
At least the Windows version is. 1. By default the user settings are stored in the c:\documents and settings\usernameAethera directory. There should be a slash between the username and Aethera, if this is not present then nothing works. 2. Switching between screens makes the icons and graphics jump all over the place. 3. Unless you enter the mail account passwords in the settings dialogue and check the 'save password' box, then no passwords are sent to the mail server, hence no mail is received. 4. When accessing an imap server all messages are empty with the subject, date as null and message size as 1k. In short, entirely unusable.
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For me it's crutial that my mailer support this. I am presently looking for a solid alternative to KMail. Does the mailer here support PGP?
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I've always thought that the next evolution of the desktop would incorporate all these features.
You click on the clock to get your calendar, your address book and instant messenger are one and the same, etc...
I'm not a coder so I've never really bothered to work out these ideas (what would be the point?) but it seems strange to me that I haven't seen anyone trying something similar.... perhaps I'm not looking in the right places?
Wiwi
"I trust in my abilities,
but I want more then they offer"
I downloaded the Windows version and it works nicely.