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MozillaZine Celebrates 5th Anniversary

An anonymous reader writes "MozillaZine, the Mozilla news and advocacy site, is five years old today. They've got a fifth anniversary section, containing a message from their founder, a chronology (which makes a pretty good Mozilla timeline generally), some trivia (who's bright idea was Music to Code By?!) and an acknowledgements page. I think it's amazing that a free site like this has provided such a great service to the open-source community for half a decade. Cheers!"

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  1. Hmmm. by MoeMoe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wonder what I should bring as a present to the party.... Lets see, 5th anniversary... Thats paper or wood gifts right?

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    1. Re:Hmmm. by MrLint · · Score: 3, Funny

      ya know its a bit ironic to give paper and woods gifts in a virtual world:)

    2. Re:Hmmm. by Joe+Tie. · · Score: 4, Funny

      Not to mention that it's to a fire breathing dragon.

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    3. Re:Hmmm. by bsharitt · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was going to send an e-card, but the site said I needed IE 4 or higher.

    4. Re:Hmmm. by IvyMike · · Score: 3, Funny

      Beavis, I get wood from the internet all the time.

  2. Party Hat! by trolman · · Score: 3, Funny

    There was a Reported shortage of Godzilla heads at Spencers this week. Now I understand!

  3. Picoseconds? by rolocroz · · Score: 5, Funny
    from the how-many-picoseconds-is-that dept.

    5 years = 1.5778463 x 10^20 picoseconds. I love Google's calculator.

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    1. Re:Picoseconds? by *xpenguin* · · Score: 5, Informative
  4. I hope for their sake.. by CooCooCaChoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They're not singing that awful song, "Every walking the dinosaur" ;-)

    5 years, small number of donations and it has become the corner stone of the Mozilla advocacy and users groups. 2 years, $40billion in the bank and Microsoft is still trying to creat that "community atmosphere". Maybe we should bottle some "community atmosphere" from Mozilla and sell it to Microsoft ;-)

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    1. Re:I hope for their sake.. by The+Almighty+Dave · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Maybe we should wish in one hand and shit in the other, then see which one fills up faster.

      Microsoft is a corporation. they are not trying to create "community atmosphere", they are trying to sell a product. If projecting the illusion of "community atmosphere" will help them market that product, then they will try to create that illusion. They care about profits, nothing more, nothing less.

    2. Re:I hope for their sake.. by SunPin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Every few months, I've given Mozilla a try just to keep the faith. This summer, 1.5 Beta found a permanent spot on my drive as the undisputed default browser/mail application. I just happened to avoid the sobig disaster because of it.

      Firebird looks slick but it's not ready for primetime quite yet. I like Thunderbird as well and I look forward to seeing it fully developed.

      The Mozilla Organization is a terrific example of open source producing something much better and even more innovative than commercial competitors.

      Internet Explorer cannot hold a candle to Mozilla 1.4/1.5. As people that were sitting on the fence decide to get involved (like myself), IE will have no reason to return even in 2008. It's completely over for IE.

      Mozilla is a victory for open source software. It's not a "me too" project that seeks to replicate IE to spite M$. More projects can/will learn from the Mozilla example. Microsoft is running out of time to open its software. Eventually, the OSS options will be better and widely known to the public.

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    3. Re:I hope for their sake.. by whereiswaldo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Internet Explorer cannot hold a candle to Mozilla 1.4/1.5.

      I totally agree. But you know, Microsoft could have added Mozilla's features into IE with no significant technical problems. Why they haven't added advanced features into IE, in part, is because of their corporate agenda. This goes especially for ad blocking. Microsoft is the ad agency's friend. Mozilla is the user's friend. Microsoft pretend's to be the user's friend, but the veneer is wearing off.

    4. Re:I hope for their sake.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      > I just happened to avoid the sobig disaster because of it.

      Really? Mozilla seemed to have no problems letting me doubleclick on PIF files.

      BTW, you are pretty poor karma whore, by slashdot standards. Work harder.

  5. Firebird by kgbspy · · Score: 4, Informative

    It took them five years to do it, but they've come up with the best web browser known to man: with daylight second, and Opera third.

    Here's hoping that the next five years sees the same committed focus to Firebird as has been poured into Mozilla.


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    1. Re:Firebird by DrMrLordX · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I gotta give credit where it's due. Firebird was about the only modern browser I could install on the stupid win95a box(p54c-100 mhz, 16 megs of RAM, yech) I patched up for my parents so they could use hotmail at home. IE6 wouldn't install, period, and the IE5 autodownloader/installer wouldn't function . . . I didn't even bother trying Opera.

      Sadly, Firebird was still slow as all hell on that machine. Sure beats using Netscape 3 though.

    2. Re:Firebird by kgbspy · · Score: 4, Funny


      Y'know... when you've been up until 4am debugging somebody else's badly written code, you finally get to sleep, and the garbage truck / noisy neighbour / dog next door wakes you up a few hours later. You get up, open the curtains, and this strange, transluscent, yellow stuff filters into your room.

      That's daylight.


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  6. Nooooo! by trolman · · Score: 2, Funny

    We are talking about a party for Godzilla types here: No Flamable Gifts!

  7. Hmmm by ewithrow · · Score: 4, Interesting

    From the timeline:

    MozillaZine asks its readers to pay the site's hosting fees. Much to our surprise, you do.

    Not a lot of confidence in their reader base.. ;)

  8. Mozillazine deserves kudos... by Fnkmaster · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I know a lot of Slashbots seem to think that all geekdom is required to mindlessly support Mozilla, and that it has always been that way. But I remember a time in days of yore when Mozilla was the project everybody loved to hate. It was _the_ example of Open Source gone awry - here's how not to open up your product, here's how not to manage an open source project, etc. And back then Mozillazine was a quiet place - but Chris kept it running, and a small gang of the faithful hung out, waiting with baited breath for the next Milestone, hoping against hope that it would be faster, better and... oh, never mind, it couldn't get cheaper.


    Anyway, the point is, these days the majority of us - geekdom, that is - use Mozilla or a Mozilla-derived browser (Galeon and Phoenix/Firebird). Mozillazine deserves a lot of credit for keeping the fan base alive during the long, dark period of time when it wasn't really clear that Mozilla was ever going to succeed. Thanks, Mozillazine, for giving me hope and keeping me and a lot of other hopeful users fed with info and inspired to stay involved and keep the project going.

    1. Re:Mozillazine deserves kudos... by alex_ant · · Score: 3, Interesting

      At its primary goal, Mozilla never really did succeed. Opening the Navigator suite's source code was Netscape's last flailing hope against IE's obvious future domination of the desktop, and it didn't work. Netscape had a majority market share then, and has around what, 5% now? Mozilla is a good cross-platform browser and all, so I guess you could say it's successful in that way, but if the Mozilla Project ever wanted to be successful against MS, they should have narrowed their scope and focused on a kickass Windows/Mac Netscape 5.0 rather than reinventing the wheel (in the case of XUL), inventing new wheels (in the case of Bugzilla), and making sure their browser ran on every obscure platform under the sun. (Who the cares whether or not Mozilla runs on HP-UX besides like 23 people on the entire earth?)

      Mozilla: Geekish success, real worldish failure

    2. Re:Mozillazine deserves kudos... by dimator · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most geeks also understand the importance of the Mozilla project... but what I'm deeply worried about is the fact that the Mozilla project doesn't make anyone any money. Sure, you can point to Netscape, but does the number of people using Netscape put enough ad revenue (or any other revenue) into the hands of AOL?

      Does AOL really intend on being Mozilla's major financer for much longer, especially since they recently solidified a deal keeping the IE renderer a core part of their client software, all but making Mozilla irrelevant? Sure, Mozilla could and would survive without AOL's dime, everything is open now. But if you take away the Netscape engineers working on the project, how many people would really pick up the slack? We think milestones are few-and-far-between now, imagine if there's a handful of developers, all across the world, not getting paid to work on it.

      I hope my fears are unfounded, but in today's business world's uncertainty, I don't find it hard to imagine AOL pulling the plug completely on the project, and renting out the mostly-empty offices in Mountain View to the highest payer. Sad.

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    3. Re:Mozillazine deserves kudos... by swdunlop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Mozilla wasn't about money for AOL/Netscape/Time Warner; at least, not directly. It appears to have been a major piece of leverage in AOL's ongoing battles with Microsoft for placement on the Windows desktop. AOL's argument in these negotiations probably ran along the lines of: "Give us what we want, or we'll take Gecko, and drop IE's component, from our app."

      When Gecko was started, Microsoft's greatest fear was that web browsers were going to commodify operating systems; is it any wonder that one of Mozilla's most hyped features was XUL, a cross-platform widget toolkit? (And yes, hype is the applicable term, here.. I've finished a rather sizeable Javascript/XUL frontend to our e-business database. Some permanency in the API's, and some coherent documentation would be a wonderful thing..)

    4. Re:Mozillazine deserves kudos... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      What really slowed mozilla down was not XUL, nor support for outlandish platforms, but gecko. The decision to go to gecko meant that they had to rewrite most of the browser suite. And since the goal was always making a product that was equivalent to communicator, not navigator, it took them a long time to rewrite everything. XUL and bugzilla were tools designed to speed up development, not slow it down.

      Ofcourse, they didn't really have a choice but to go to gecko, since the existing rendering engine was so deeply broken it could not be fixed. If they had released something based on the old code, it would most likely have sucked bigtime, and driven people away from netscape, just as not releasing did.

      You could say they should have made just a browser, and not the entire suite/development framework, but what would have been the point to that? A single browser is never going to take marketshare away from IE, because IE is good enough. You have to do things that IE can't. The XUL/javascript based development framework is one of those things, the mail/news component another.

      The mozilla project has made the best browser (firebird) and best browser suite (mozilla) in existance. That their marketshare is so tiny is more a tribute to the poor way AOL handled netscape releases and netscape/mozilla marketing than to the quality of the product.

      Thankfully, now that mozilla has been freed of AOL's limitations, maybe we can see some real growth marketsharewise.

  9. Simple, you cannot sell or purchase by PotatoHead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    people that actually give a shit. Everybody knows Microsoft is here to make their cash pile larger at any cost.

    The Mozilla folks are here to make sure we have a good browser that runs on what we choose to run it on.

  10. loving firebird by planckscale · · Score: 5, Informative
    This browser *in use now* is my newest best friend (I know, sad huh). Simple, elegant, tabs, history, caches, privacy, and it's download manager are all that I need. Also, it just performs faster, blocks popups, it's free and just seems to have more for my money. I'd like to see better plug-in support; java, shockwave, Wild tangent and some other plugins aren't exactly mindless installs in some cases. Also I would like to see Firebird run in memory in the background like Mozilla does, and a download "acceleration" with mulitple FTP sites would be a bonus. Otherwise, it's my favorite DEFAULT browser :-)

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    1. Re:loving firebird by simon_aus · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I understand what you mean about love, not in a natural way at all.

      A few weeks ago I was building some SAP middleware stuff at a hosting site (full MS) and showed our OS/DB guy firebird 0.6 - he won't touch anything else and this stuff is only supported on IE 5 and up.

      Then I showed the hosting company MD the difference in connecting to our external web mail on MS Exchange. I had been whining about its crap access speed for months. Two (2) seconds to load rather than 120++, nobody really believes it unless they see it. No hidden MS traffic going on there.

      Then add some cool extensions like; quicknote, slashzilla, JavaScript Console, Live HTTP Headers, google bar, MacroEditor. Daylight really is second, by several years. Skin it to look like KDE, whatever.

      Then try typing "about:config" in the address bar. Well, I'm starting to rant :)

      About running in memory (quicklaunch), I'm quite happy to wait 2-3 seconds for it to load - it's worth the wait many times over.

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    2. Re:loving firebird by Kytakh · · Score: 2, Informative

      + Crashes too often (but it's beta, so whatever)
      + Displays css font sizes "correctly", which in IE universe is incorrect.
      + Slower on low-end hardware. (Low end being a 1 GHz P3!)
      + Plugin installation is a pain -- even though Mozilla has cloned ActiveX, Adobe/Macromedia/etc don't support it.
      + No compelling advantage if you aren't interested in tabs. Why go to the trouble

      1. Mine rarely crashes, if ever... on both windows and linux. You may not be reading the installation instructions carefully
      2. I prefer the correct method rather than the M$ method, standards are best enforced by a body rather than corporation wouldnt you say? Developing for IE is getting more and more like developing for Netscape 4.x, I expect this to continue without any substantial upgrades to IE until the next version of windows is released
      3. I was using phoenix/firebird on a p3 550 for a while and it ran smoothly (again your install may be the problem)
      4. Plugin installation is getting better, it is still a beta release as u said and i would expect this to improve further
      5. There are many features, tabs included that i find extremelly useful and they are very little trouble

    3. Re:loving firebird by pmsyyz · · Score: 2, Informative

      There is a checkbox for smooth scrolling under Options -> Advanced -> Browsing

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  11. What better way to celebrate an aniversary... by rsilvergun · · Score: 4, Funny

    then with a slashdotting?

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  12. 5 years....awesome! by Robowally · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been using Mozilla for about 5 years......and happy with it for most of that time. I have used it exclusively for about the last 4 years. I still have no use for 'local folders' in the email client....what are they for? Now looking forward to Firebird and Thunderbird!

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    1. Re:5 years....awesome! by afidel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Local folders are for clients using IMAP with a limited amount of storage space who wish to retain archives without running a local IMAP server. You can also use them to collate email from multiple accounts (say you have various aliases and want to combine all PO's into a single location).

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  13. Re:Nightly Mozilla builds with AA Support compiled by ishmalius · · Score: 4, Informative

    ftp to:
    ftp.mozilla.org/pub/nightly/latest-trunk

    it is:
    MozillaFirebird-i686-linux-gtk2+xft.tar.gz

  14. Firebird and Thunderbird by doormat · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I honestly think that these two apps can replace IE/OE on most people's home computers within 6 months. I try to evangelized Firebird with my friends and coworkers and it worked up until the new google toolbar for IE started blocking popups.. I still love it though. Love live the *bird.

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  15. Mozilla is Dangerous by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I've thought long and hard about the Internet phoenominon known as "Mozilla," or more frequently, "Open-Source Fascist Dinosaur - a name aptly deserved, taking into consideration the political philosophies of its filthy hippie developers and its inability to load even the simplest page before the sun goes supernova. During this thinking-period, which I like to call "the long thought," I have thunk up many thoughts, and I feel that these think-thoughts need to be shared.

    Mozilla scares me. I often use Mozilla to browse through pornography late at night, and I often have a difficult time maintaining an erection. The thought of manipulating a Reptile-based browser to view naked females has left me caught in a situation where I can only climax if I envision The Lizard performing disgusting sexual acts upon these nude men... women on my screen.

    Nightmares often occur after I pass out in my ergonomically-correct office chair - which I stole from Office Depot late at night - exhausted from the sexual fervor of masturbating my inch-long penis. These nightmares center around an unescapable arena, in which Roman females are cast upon the bloody sand, and left victim to a large creature known only as "The Lizard." Its code-bloated reptile penis repeatedly punctures their fragile sex organs until they split in half, and are then eaten.

    I blame Mozilla for my unemployment, lack of a love life, and the constant backfiring from the 351 V8 in my primer-colored 1973 Ford Crown Victoria LTD. I also blame Mozilla for the lack of acceleration in my vehicle, much comparable to the overall lack of acceleration in the browser itself. I believe that Mozilla is in dire need of a rebuilt carburetor and a new set of shorty headers.

    Unless massive improvements are made to the Mozilla code base and user interface, I can forsee the continual erosion of my personal life and the lives of all other Mozilla users.

    Please, help.

  16. Music to Code By by YOU+LIKEWISE+FAIL+IT · · Score: 3, Funny
    (who's bright idea was Music to Code By?!)

    Just as a curio, the linked page features as the second selection Wesley Willis - who sadly passed away just a little while ago on the 21st of August, aged 40. I also used to listen to Wesleys strange stream of conciousness punk rants while coding. I'll miss you, Wes.

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  17. Community atmosphere... by CooCooCaChoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is part of their grand plan. A while back Microsoft told an audience of MVP's that they would like to create the same sort of community development atmosphere as found in opensource projects. Later on they talked about expanding it to end users.

    The fact remains, Microsoft cannot create that atmosphere because leadership has to come from the top. If the top acts in the "dog eat dog" manor, then what will their ISV's and end users do?

    Ultimately, the ball is in Microsofts court. In terms of helping their bottom line, it is a great way of making themselves look good. If the plan did work then the feel good factor about Microsoft would increase, especially in the "decision making" area of businesses who can be easily blinded by PR stunts.

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  18. Re:In light of Mozialla's excellent baysian filter by Channard · · Score: 3, Informative
    That wasn't a spelling mistake, by the way.. I was in fact referring to Mozialla, the splinter browser developed from Mozilla. Honest.

    Seriously, kudos to Mozilla for having a spam filter that is better than any of the non confirmation spam-tools I've seen.