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Halley's Comet Imaged As Transneptunian Object

An anonymous reader writes "The European Space Observatory has imaged Halley's Comet at the farthest point (past Neptune) in which such a 10-kilometer diameter iceball has ever been observed. To image a comet as a raven-black object, without its bright dust tail (coma), is equivalent to seeing a lump of coal at the distance between the Earth's poles and to do so in the evening twilight. The last gasp seen from Halley's Comet was 1991, when a gigantic explosion happened, providing it with an expanding, extensive cloud of dust for several months. It is not known whether this event was caused by a collision with an unknown piece of rock or by internal processes (a last 'sigh' on the way out). Halley has an orbital period just over 76 years and will return in 2062."

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  1. Makes me think of 2061... by krymsin01 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Reading this made me think of the comet rendevous in 2061. I doubt that I'll live to see something like that actualy accomplished.

    What we need is another space race, some incentive to get there. My guess is that the next space race will be for resources, metals, chemicals, etc.

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  2. Couldn't have been a collision, methinks by Jonas+the+Bold · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is not known whether this event was caused by a collision with an unknown piece of rock or by internal processes (a last 'sigh' on the way out).

    If they were able to image it, it seems they knew where it was, by mapping where it was going. If it had collided with something, it's trajectory would have changed.

    So does this give us new insight as to how comets die? And if they die, how are they still comets? How does the solar system replenish its comet supply?

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    1. Re:Couldn't have been a collision, methinks by tloh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even if the event was caused by internal processes, trajectory changes are still possible due to Newton's 3rd law of motion. A last 'sigh' may not generate as much momentum as a collision, but it should still have enough impulse to make determination of the exact nature of the event non-trivial.

      Should we be worried about the solar system replenishing its comets? I don't think running out of comets should concern us Earth dwellers that much. In fact, it would be best to have as few of them as possible unless we want to go the way of the dinosours. Our technology gives us an edge over our Cretaceous-dwelling friends, but the resources needed for a comet defense force seem outrageous when you consider all the problems on Earth that need money, political will, and man power. Besides, Bruce Willis & gang are better suited for...well, almost anything else. damn! that movie sucked!

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  3. In case of slashdotting... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Here's the image, in case it gets /.'ed:

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    . , . . . . (the 2nd one)
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    1. Re:In case of slashdotting... by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's morse code for "So long and thanks for all the fish."

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  4. Re:Question by jabbadabbadoo · · Score: 3, Informative

    The spot was discovered by Robert Hooke in 1664. The spot is HUGE (large enough to hold to Earths) and back in the 15'th centurty it was much brighter. The red spot in the southern hemisphere has been there for about 400 years and is starting for fade.

  5. I'll take it up with Mark Twain... by toxic666 · · Score: 2, Funny

    and see if he is any more impressed than me. Perhaps he'll be more concerned about a 1 in 909,000 chance of an impact than he was about his odds of winning a frog jumping contest.

  6. Re:What's the fun... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That's human curiosity, what allowed us to survive and evolve through ages. Give us some knowledge buried under a giant rock and we'll put huge efforts in removing that rock.
    The same applies to the comet's tail: there's a chance to learn something by making observations without the comet tail hiding things.

  7. Cool Fact by Moridineas · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Almost 1000 years ago, Halley's Comet was overhead during the Battle of Hastings in the year 1066. That long ago, the comet was said to have virtually filled the sky it was so bright. It must have been perceived as a powerful omen.

    1. Re:Cool Fact by toxic666 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wll, at least sometime around the Battle of Hastings. It appeared near Easter, 1066 and Harold was warned it was a BAD OMEN. Hastings was in September or October, 1066. The Bayeux Tapestry (yes, I've seen it) records the events and the comet appears well before the battle above Harold's minions warning him.

      So shove your Cool Fact urban legend. Not even the Middle Ages records support your ignorant claim.

    2. Re:Cool Fact by toxic666 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm sorry I did not flame this comment with the vehemence it deserves. I'm a blood-loyal American of bavarian descent, but respect and study other cultures. The Bayeux Tapestry records the events quite well, or at least better than any other extant records. Harold and his Anglo-Saxon advisors saw the comet around Easter, 1066, well before the battles that shaped the future of England began. Prior to that, he had been washed ashore on the Norman coast and pledged allegiance to William of Normandy in return for safe passage home. The comet was seen as an EVIL OMEN. As far as 1066 fighting went, the Anglo-Saxons first fought Norseman in what is now northeastern England and sustained serious losses. They were then defeated at Hastings after a brutal fight. The Norman cavalry won the day, and some it may have been the stirrup (pictured in the Tapestry) that won the day. And no, it is not certain that Harold was killed by an arrow in the eye. There is no definitive evidence of how Harold died. The comet -- as depicted in the Tapestry -- is not a major event. It is significant in that it appeared before the battles that consumed the entire year, culminating in the Norman Conquest. View the evidence and get a clue.

  8. Astonishing by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They can pick out such a small dark object at that distance. Makes me hope that maybe one day the Star Trek scenes where Picard asks Data for range to object and then has it on screen in living colour at 50 million Kilometres may one day become a reality.

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  9. The real reason for the telescope by KingRob · · Score: 3, Funny

    ESA's sekret plan is to point that baby at the Apollo landing site and prove once and for all, those lying Amerikanischer Schweinhund never made it to the moon!

  10. Re:Question by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The spot was discovered by Robert Hooke in 1664. The spot is HUGE (large enough to hold to Earths) and back in the 15'th centurty it was much brighter.

    Really? You have some idea of of how the GRS appeared 200 years before Hooke (in the mid seventeenth century) inferred the rotational period of Jupiter? The earliest definitive observations of the GRS, btw, are those of Heinrich Schwabe (1831)

  11. Slightly over-hyped by panurge · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Everything else has been removed from the picture. In effect, in order to see the comet you have to know exactly where it is, and what all the other things are in the vicinity. It also took a lot of observation (hours) to get the picture.

    It's a remarkable achievement, and shows what can be done with Earth-based telescopes, but it seems to be more proof of concept than practical.

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    1. Re:Slightly over-hyped by MartyC · · Score: 5, Informative

      True. Halley's Comet is ideal for this kind of observation because it has one of the most accurately known orbits of all comets of this kind of orbital period.
      But you shouldn't see this as just a comet finding exercise (though it does prove the capabilities of the VLT rather well).
      By analysing the image further it will be possible to determine whether there is any activity at this distance, or a residual dust cloud. Depending on what filters they used for the observation, they might be able to compare the "colour" of the nucleus with that observed by the spacecraft back in 1986 and look for changes. This might indicate a change in surface conditions at large distances form the sun.

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    2. Re:Slightly over-hyped by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Back in the old days science was 95% imagination, 5% data.

      Now it's 5% imagination, 5% data, and 90% computation.

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  12. just to clarify by MartyC · · Score: 4, Informative

    That should be European Southern Observatory (www.eso.org).

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  13. Re:What's the fun... by iMMersE · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hmmm, we didn't have "human curiosity" before we "evolved through [the] ages".

    We had "ape curiosity", or as some scientists call it, "wow-that-ground-sure-looks-better-than-these-tree s curiosity."

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  14. Re:I saw it in '86. by Nerull · · Score: 2, Informative

    Considering the fact that Aricebo is a radio telescope, i don't think you'll get much of a view. (well, aside from the fact that the telescope itself is quite a view...)

  15. Explosion didn't involve Halley? by meowsqueak · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hmmm, I read that as a 'gigantic explosion' involving Halley's Comet, however it seems to involve Comet 57P/du Toit-Neujmin-Delporte according to one of the linked articles. Did I miss something?

    1. Re:Explosion didn't involve Halley? by rworne · · Score: 4, Informative

      No you didn't, the Slashdot article is wrong. Halley's was only mentioned in the last sentence, and only then to show that it is Comet 1P.

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  16. Incorrect link or error in the article by shanen · · Score: 4, Informative

    The link that is described as referring to an event involving Halley's Comet is talking about a different comet. I should poke around for events actually involving Halley's, but I'll just settle for saying that I don't recall hearing anything unusual as it wandered away, and I'm actually rather skeptical we could see so much of it at that time (though the latest imaging is an impressive accomplishment).

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  17. Re:I saw it in '86. by EvilTwinSkippy · · Score: 2, Informative
    Truck? Unless you live in Peurto Rico you will need either a boat or a plane.

    In other news: Aricebo is a radio telescope.

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  18. Re:I saw it last time by EnglishTim · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Did you have a look at Mars last week? I did, but only through this tiny collapsable telescope a friend gave me. It was very difficult to find Mars in the first place as fully extending the telescope focuses it at somewhere past infinity so the deal was:

    a) try and find something in the distance to focus on (not easy at nighttime - luckily the sillhouette of the trees against the bright yellow London night sky sufficed)
    b) try for ages to get the damn thing pointing in the right direction
    c) Try not to look too suspicious as you're doing it - standing in the street at night looking around with a telescope pointed at a 30degree angle looks rather pervy to the casual observer...

    In the end, I got a look at Mars, it looked like this:

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    except it was pink.

    In other words, It was big enough to just about tell it was circular in shape, but that was about it. I wished I'd had my Dad's telescope with me, it wasn't the greatest thing on earth, but it had 60x magnification, rather than the 15x - odd that my little telescope has...

  19. It's not like imagine that lump of coal at all by exp(pi*sqrt(163)) · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd put money on it in fact being impossible to view a lump of coal at that distance. In fact, I propose someone do a lump of coal viewing test. These people can get away with all sorts of silly analogies to make themselves seem impressive and nobody calls their bluff.

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  20. Sigh.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    Not even the editors RTFA.

  21. Re:Wrong by pork_spies · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yes, I realised after I'd posted that I'd just made a fool of myself. I did see Hailey's comet though - must have been winter 86? I remember showing to the gf, who was distinctly unimpressed.

  22. 10km doesn't seem so big by at_kernel_99 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    here's a stoopid question:

    How long is halley's comet going to last? If its a little 10km diameter object thats not only melting on each pass, but breaking up as well, how many times can it survive its lap of the sun?

    Inquiring Minds want to Know!

  23. Re:I saw it last time by RobertB-DC · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the end, I got a look at Mars, it looked like this:

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    except it was pink.


    I'm happy to report that I was able to run your image through a high-tech image-enhancement system. To further aid in visualization, the edge definition has been increased as well.

    Here is the new image:

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    Hope this helps!

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