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Phoenix Bios to Incorporate DRM

defishguy writes "Extreme Tech is reporting that Phoenix Technologies is shopping a DRM-capable BIOS to OEMS. Reportedly the BIOS with DRM enabled allows for software to be tracked and traced from one PC to another." See also this older story about AMI.

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  1. Uses for good? by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ah, but will we be able to use it to track Virus writers, spammers and other unpleasant people?

    If so.. its probably a good thing. Just make sure you don't steal anything, and if you do, use a mate's PC :)

    1. Re:Uses for good? by pmz · · Score: 3, Interesting

      if you do, use a mate's PC

      And leave that "mate" in a position to prove his own innocence after the police confiscate all his computer equipment? Gee, you must have been best of friends.

  2. Will this not require an DRM aware OS? by nlinecomputers · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Could this kill Linux or even Windows XP if it doesn't have the ability to work with the bios?

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    1. Re:Will this not require an DRM aware OS? by LordNimon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      An app can't talk to the BIOS unless the OS lets it. If your OS doesn't provide an API that the app can use to get the DRM information, then the DRM feature of your BIOS is effectively disabled.

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    2. Re:Will this not require an DRM aware OS? by nlinecomputers · · Score: 3, Interesting

      An app can't talk to the BIOS unless the OS lets it. If your OS doesn't provide an API that the app can use to get the DRM information, then the DRM feature of your BIOS is effectively disabled.

      That is my thought as well. So what would be the point of DRM Bios that would cause the bootleg market of Windows 98 or Linux to skyrocket just to pirate stuff? Would not such a bios be designed to not boot up an OS unless it is DRM bios aware? If I was going to do this I would want that feature.

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    3. Re:Will this not require an DRM aware OS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      What I'm guessing a DRM-enabled BIOS will do is only boot a DRM-enabled OS. See, that was always the great escape from DRM--using an alternate OS. With the new BIOS, that can be prevented.

      I'd also imagine this will be pitched as a security enhancement for companies. If you get a PC with this BIOS, you can rest assured that it can only run a trusted OS.

      I can also see this used as a way to lock a specific drive to a specific PC. Once you install the OS, the OS generates a unique fingerprint that it then passes to the BIOS. The BIOS stores this fingerprint and passes its own fingerprint back to the OS, which stores it. Now, the two are married to each other. Take that hard drive to another PC, and the OS won't boot. Install a different hard drive and/or a different OS into the first PC without having authrization from the BIOS, and it will refuse to boot the OS. This allows for all sorts of interesting scenarios, such as buying a PC that can run only an OS authorized by the manufacturer. Imagine Dell selling a PC that can only be reformatted with the included CD, and that CD will install a predetermined set of apps. Remove an app, and the OS will tell the BIOS not to boot. Fun, aint it?

  3. This IS scary. by garcia · · Score: 5, Interesting

    An OEM will also have to decide whether or not to allow an end user to turn the DRM feature off, Eades said.

    This option is most likely be available for a while. You will have the option to turn off the default enabled DRM system in your computer. As more and more people become comfortable (and ignorant) of the fact that DRM is enabled (and more and more companies start enforcing restrictions via the DRM'd BIOS) we will have less and less choice but to have it enabled.

    This *IS* scary. DRM in Word is *NOT*. Just to clear that up.

  4. Re:That's fine by me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm just begining to wonder how LinuxBIOS is getting on. That project could prove prophetically useful, soon.

  5. What the Fsck!! by cOdEgUru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The DRM software will be shipped as a default option inside the cME package. "It's up to the OEM whether or not to insert it on the machine," he said. "We are offering it as a default option and it's up to them to remove it."

    An OEM will also have to decide whether or not to allow an end user to turn the DRM feature off, Eades said.


    Since when does these schmucks start thinking that I as a consumer doesnt have the right to take apart, enable/disable features, and smash to smithreens whatever shit I buy from them?

    Every other product or service that we are seeing these days for sale are increasingly tipping the balance in favor of the seller. Let buyer go to hell, be the new motto.

    I can understand the importance of having digitally signed code and safe code, but tracking software across PC's sound a lot like 1984 than 2004.

  6. DRM on one level is okay... by TWX · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ... if it's ignored on another level. Remember, even if there is DRM capability, if it's not implemented *cough*linux*cough* then it doesn't matter.

    Remember, Intel's Processor ID was supposed to do this too, and everyone that I know turned it off. And if this Phoenix BIOS DRM technology prevents large-scale installations from repairing computers by swapping out bad hardware, like motherboards, corporate IT won't buy it.

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  7. And all of a sudden... by Seth+Finklestein · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...Apple becomes the only computer maker with its hands clean.

    Think about it: most PC enthusiasts around here build their own computers. However, now they will be faced with DRM at the motherboard layer. No matter of software liberation, from Linux to FreeBSD, will be able to cleanse motherboards of this impurity. Apple, on the other hand, has never incorporated any form of DRM into their basic system. Sure, there's iTunes music store, but its DRM is limited to the application level. I boycott iTunes because I care about the Right of First Sale, for example.

    I know that it hurts to pay an additional $2,000 for the convenience of a computer company that respects your Freedom, but trust me: once you go Mac, you don't go black, Jack!

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  8. Time to start stocking- by IWantMoreSpamPlease · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Pre-DRM enabled motherboards. I have quite a few Asus boards here, good up to (IIRC) Athlon 3000s. Should be good enough for a long time to come for the average customer.

    What concerns me, is the addition of DRM into, say, the next generation video cards. It's all well and good to "merely" have an Intel P4 3.0 Ghz, or Amd Athlon 3000+, but what happens when Doom3 or beyond comes out and a new video card is needed? What is said new card has DRM on it, and decides not to play any videos you happen to own?

    In short, where do we draw the line? Corps have finally started to get wise on the old adage about a frog and boiling water, it's high time Joe Generic does as well.

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  9. Any site that lists DRM products? by teamhasnoi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There's a project for an aspiring /.er! Do some php site that lists:

    Crippled CDs
    BIOS
    motherboards
    Hard Drives
    Consumer Audio (Minidisk, MP3 players)
    Music (Buymusic.com - I have a special grudge against these guys, see my journal.)Itunes (gotta be fair, eh?)
    Video Players
    ect. ect. (Don't forget MS!)

    This would be an excellent way for others to be educated on the general poo that is DRM, and also give regular joes a list of stuff *NOT* to buy. Perhaps a forum reviews and on breaking/ circumventing/ turning DRM back upon its evil creators would be in order as well.

    Sadly, the only way to vote and be heard is with $$$, these days.

    1. Re:Any site that lists DRM products? by DirkDaring · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How about DVD players that you can buy at Best Buy, Sears, etc that don't have Macrovision built in?

      The list would be very short. Zero, to be exact (I've looked).

      If the entertainment industry has their way, all hardware will have DRM. Obtaining non-DRM will be difficult for the average consumer.