Equal Time: The Alternatives
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Mr.+Darl+McBride
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· Score: 4, Funny
I fail to see how this Mac hopes to compete with the beauty of a Windows machine.
Perhaps nobody told these people they could have a UnixWare license and half a year's support for the cost of that G5 machine. And UnixWare PC hardware is cheaper than Windows and Mac hardware both, since it only runs on older hardware.
Re:Equal Time: The Alternatives
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47Ronin
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· Score: 2, Insightful
are we gonna see a G5 Slashdot icon on these stories or what? It's not a G4 like the topic icon shows here on the headline. Try this:
http://www.apple.com/g5processor/
-- Those who laugh at you for you having a Mac.. are the people who constantly call you to fix their PC.
Re:Equal Time: The Alternatives
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aduzik
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But your Powa Mack A5 can't compete with the sexiness of the real deal. Sorry, it's just not "Bauhaus" enough. That alone is worth three g's, baby!
The new iMac's still the best looking of the Apple family, anyway.
All I get is a totally white screen, no text at all.
That's what I get for trying to check it out with a recent Mozilla build on Linux when the plug-in (Flash I'm guessing) was compiled with an older g++. *sigh*
Re:No big deal
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Anonymous Coward
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Leave it to a MacAddict to use Flash when HTML would have been more than adequate. In about two minutes I could recreate the site so that anybody can see it.
Bill's 'Friend'
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InnovativeCX
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· Score: 0, Redundant
Excellent pictures.
While those photos are extremely impressive (the best of a Mac that I've seen), I must say that my attention was drawn to his friend's site referenced at the end of the photo tour:
"Yeah, I have friends that use "windows" too, even one that thinks he's funny. Check him out here:http://asherbond.com/a5.
Introducing the Powa Mack A5: "If beauty is skin deep, nobody told Bad Boy Asher Bond - The new Powa Mack A5 is stunningly gorgeous - both inside and out. I used a Twinklecam, Web Camera with a Fisher Price Flashlight, to capture the metallic textures and elegant curves of the worlds second 32-bit Bad Boy Asher Bond personal computer. Thank you for visiting - I hope you enjoy - Asher Bond"
Re:Bill's 'Friend'
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Anonymous Coward
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>Introducing the Powa Mack A5:
That must be a typo because from this picture it looks like it should be called the Powa Wack A5.
Re:Bill's 'Friend'
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Anonymous Coward
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"See man Asher Bond just hooked you up with an extra 1 gigabyte man! It sits right up here on top of the case for state of the art ventilation. How ya like me now!?!? "
Re:Other interesting pictures of the G5...
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satanami69
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· Score: 2, Informative
Damn, Not Safe For Work. NSFW.
-- I really hate Dan Patrick.
Re:Other interesting pictures of the G5...
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Alex+Thorpe
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Depends on where you work, and what site you post to. By Fark.com standards, this isn't worthy of the NSFW warning, though it would have gotten me canned(sooner) at Express Scripts last year.
-- "Common Sense Ain't" -Unknown
Re:Other interesting pictures of the G5...
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 1, Funny
In case any of you mac fags didn't notice, there is a chick in the pictures.
I know that the fans are supposed to be "super silent", but I would have expected more from Apple. My Athlon XP 2000+ (Palamino, 67W), GeForce4 Ti4200, 3xRAID 7200rpm desktop is cooled by only 3 Panaflo L1a fans (24cfm, 1900rpm). There's a Zalman on the GPU, so no fan there, an Alpha 8045 with a Panaflo on the CPU, a modded PSU with a Panaflo L1a, and a Panaflo L1a case fan. Even with all the fans on full blast, it's quiet, and when I use my motherboards thermal control function, it's nearly silent (the HDDs, which are Samsung SpinPoint P40s - quiet, are quite a bit louder than the fans).
One might wonder why Apple, a company known for industrial design, didn't design a 0 fan or at least 1 fan chassis. Imagine a system where both processors, as well as the PSU, are cooled by a single fan. If anyone can do it, it's either Zalman or Apple.
First, 1: How quiet, exactly, is this 9 fan setup? Is it quieter than the HDDs? If anyone has a G5, could they respond. 2: How quiet is it under load? When you are playing a 3D game or rendering video, does it sound like a jet engine or does it remain quiet and civil. 3: Why exactly did Apple elect a 9-fan setup? Fans are likely the fist part to fail on the computer. Also, as fans age, they get noisier. Do the fans in the G5 stop when they aren't needed or do they continue at a low RPM?
Re:9 Fans?
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CptChipJew
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· Score: 4, Informative
The fans in the G5 are computer controlled. They are only on when they are needed.
According the Jobs (paraphrased): "You might think '9 fans? Oh my god' But it turns out the opposite is true. We've gotten the noise down to 35dba at room temperature, 3x quieter than the latest G4".
The fans are variable speed and spin up faster as the machine gets hotter... I was looking at a demo 1.6ghz unit in the store (at a micro center in one of their tech rooms) and it was pretty silent...
-- Just when you make it idiotproof, some idiot builds a better idiot.
Re:9 Fans?
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Tumbleweed
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1) I went to the local Apple Store over the weekend. The 1.8GHz machine was there, and I couldn't hear the fans, even with my head next to the machine.
2) I dunno.
3) Only the dual 2GHz machine has 9 - there are fewer in the single proc models. They have implemented a cooling zone design in the case - different zones have different cooling requirements. It's a really neat idea. The fans are large and rotate slowly, and thus produce virtually no noise. When the case is closed, you DON'T hear them. The aluminum case is unlike aluminum PC cases - the aluminum is very thick. Nice.
The fans are computer controlled.
Go check a system out at your local Apple Store(tm).
Wish I had the money for one, but I gotta get a new car first. *sigh*
Part of that is due to not only the power consumption of the G5 (although more than a G4, it's less than an "equivalent" Athlon or Pentium 4... maybe not that much different than a Pentium-M cranking away) and the large heatsinks used to cool the CPU. With such a large heatsink, I doubt of the processor will get hot enough to worry about if the air within the case and within the room isn't too warm.
"The fans are variable speed and spin up faster as the machine gets hotter... I was looking at a demo 1.6ghz unit in the store (at a micro center in one of their tech rooms) and it was pretty silent"
I assumed that, but still, 9? I have three fans in my case, and I have a 67W processor, hot video card, and 3 hard drives.
35dba? That's not that impressive. My Panaflos are rated at 22dba, and I certainly wouldn't call them "silent". Quiet, perhaps, but not "silent". In my book, silent means "quieter than the HDD". I wish I had a db meter so that I could actually measure my computer.
My office has a bunch of Evos (P4 2.0Ghz, 7200rpm HDD), and they have fans that are quieter than the HDD. They use a 2 fan design (1 case/cpu, 1 psu).
You mean the G5 is quiter than the G4 that Apple fanboys were petitioning for a return because it was so freaking loud. Wow 3x times quiter. What an accomplishment, what is that like 1.2 dB?
My recent Dell 400SC purchase has a total of 2 fans, 80mm + 92mm. You can hear the hard drive seeking over the fans. My fridge is louder from the next room over. see FAQ about it.
-- Code poet, espresso fiend, starter upper.
Re:9 Fans?
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squiggleslash
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· Score: 3, Informative
One might wonder why Apple, a company known for industrial design, didn't design a 0 fan or at least 1 fan chassis.
Well, the Cube was a zero-fan chassis.
I'm not going to be 100% convinced it works until the machines have been in use for a while, but I know the principle Apple's had to work with is that the G5 is a heat radiating monster. A single fan would have to run quickly and suck a single stream of air through a preset path to cool the PowerMac G5. It would, frankly, sound like a plane taking off. So Apple has dotted fans around more to guarantee that airflow, and hence cooling, will happen over each part of the machine. Because there are more fans, and because the airflow is more targetted, the fans can run slowly, and the noise control is better.
My PowerBook, which uses a nice, cool, 800MHz G4, sounds like Miami Airport whenever I play a FPS game. I'm glad Apple are experimenting with cooling systems rather than just following the herd.
-- You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Hmm, I read that "the fans of the G5 are computer controlled"...I always knew Steve Jobs was trying to take over the world.
-- Sig removed because it was obnoxious
Re:9 Fans?
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Anonymous Coward
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Sorry to troll, but does anyone here actually know anything at all about acoustics? Anything? For example, what an A-Weighting curve might be? For example, dbA vs. dB? Or how about Sound power measurements vs. sound pressure measurements? Anyone know a damn thing about ISO Acoustical standards? No? Then quit trying to pretend you know jack shit about it, just because you know how to write hacked, bastardized code and play FPS games. Leave the engineering to engineers, and just post that you don't know the answer to this guy's question.
I know what you mean. I don't understand what it is with these 9 fan fanatics. I'm sitting here in front of my 9-fan enclosure and it's been trying to move 7 cubic feet of air for the past twenty minutes. Twenty minutes!! At home, my single-unit Panaflo L1a fan (24cfm, 1900rpm) can do this in five minutes....
According the Jobs (paraphrased): "You might think '9 fans? Oh my god' But it turns out the opposite is true. We've gotten the noise down to 35dba at room temperature, 3x quieter than the latest G4".
Room temperature? Are there actually enough people that keep their computers in non-room locations for them to specifically point this out?
I can imagine visiting a friend and them showing off their new G5: "35dba in a room was just too much to handle, so.. we expanded on to the house a bit and now keep it just beyond this door--purgatory. Hear that? Not a peep. Nothing can top the sweet silence of limbo."
That is not my domain. A.us is no more homo that writing stupid comments on slashdot.
G5 is slower than Dell if Dell is benchmarking them, just like G5 is faster if Apple is doing the measurements. At least Dell does not announce that they are coming out with the *fastest* desktop computer ever every single time.
-- Code poet, espresso fiend, starter upper.
Re:9 Fans?
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Reverberant
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· Score: 5, Informative
35dba? That's not that impressive.
The 35 dBA spec is basically useless since it's given without a reference distance. With that in mind, 35 dBA is roughly the sound of a soft whisper at 5 feet (Ref: Martin Hirshorn, Noise Control Handbook). That's pretty darn quiet, assuming it refers to a reasonable distance from the chassis, say 3 to 5 feet.
My Panaflos are rated at 22dba, and I certainly wouldn't call them "silent".
Than they're probably louder than 22 dbA. 22 dBA is roughly the sound level at a remote area, at night, with no insect sounds or wind. If you live in a very quiet area, the sound level in your room may approach 25 dBA if your walls are well insulated, and no windows are open. No consumer sound level meter (Radio Shack brand, etc) would be able to accurately measure that low, and many professional level SLM's would have difficultly measuring that low (for example my $1800 TerraSonde ATB Pro has a noise floor of about 25 dB with its stock microphone).
Of course this all completely ignores the fact that measuring the sound level of a sound source that is lower than 40 dBA is pretty hard to do outside of an anechoic chamber since ambient sound levels can contaminate the measurements...
Apple has developed convection-cooled no-fan computers in the past. My wife's iMac DV has no fan, as do some of the other first generation body iMacs (though not the first-generation first generation iMacs, if that make sense.)
The Cube was also convection cooled.
They can do it, when feasible and appropriate. However, with a new-design tower case that's made to have all sorts of third-party crapola stuffed into it, I doubt it was appropriate. Much easier with the non-upgradeable consumer models.
Wow. Someone here actually has a good idea of how things are done as far as audio measurement. Nice post to deflect other people's ignorance on certain subjects which they don't seem to be trying to hard to change. If you dont' know about a certain subject, just don't say anything. Oh well that's just my opinion. It takes all kinds in this world and I mean that sincerely.
-- It takes all types in this world. I sincerely mean it... This is just my perspective.
Re:9 Fans?
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Anonymous Coward
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At least Dell does not announce that they are coming out with the *fastest* desktop computer ever every single time.
Yep, basically if you're just writing email then it'll be quite quiet, but when you start playing quake or serious photoshop/fcp4/etc work then expect a frigging jet plane under your desk to take off and all your lights to dim.
Another reason for all the fans is that apple is planning for the future. When they put the promised faster chips in these babies, the fans are probably going to get more of a workout. They are planning on making sure those machines work reasonably silently without having to do a major chassis redesign. The quietness of the current generation is just a nice little bonus for buyers of this generation of G5s.
I echo Tumbleweed's experience. I saw the 1.6 Ghz at an Apple Store in Dallas. There were very few customers in the store and I would not say it was any louder in there than in my house with someone else home. Unless I put my ear up to the heavy plastic (think the clear plastic used on the Apple Pro Mouse or the edges of the 17" iMac screen) I could not hear any of the 3 fans I saw spinning.
I think the key is the low RPMs. with it spinning slower, there isn't a "whirrr" sound. Since the sound is not as high pitched, the sound is deadened sooner by the materials in the case.
And Apple a day keeps Gates at bay
-- I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
Actually, the fan noise issue was fixed in the latest G4 model (released January of this year, one sits silent on my desktop right now), the one that Jobs was comparing the G5 to. The model with all the noise issues that a few "fanboys" (was that a dig or just a clever play on words?) had to send back were released in August of last year.
Regardless, I'd take a noise/performance ratio test between a Mac and any comparably equipped Dell any time.
-- My other computer is your Windows box
Re:9 Fans?
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Anonymous Coward
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This is what I've found on the iBook, unfortunately. The fan spins up a lot when you're watching a DiVX movie. However, it may have been that that iBook had a heat sink problem (since it died recently - something like a cold solder joint to the video chip, I suspect, the lower-left case flex problem some people have had).
Re:9 Fans?
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Anonymous Coward
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· Score: 1, Funny
There are really only nine of you idiots posting to slashdot?
Re:9 Fans?
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Anonymous Coward
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3 to 5 feet is not a reasonable distance. on a normal desktop, you're looking at about 2 feet, maximum. I have 3 cases all less than 3 feet away.
They run at very low speeds and are all monitored by the computer.
The old g4 towers used one large sideways mounted fan to blow air over the passive heatsink of the CPU(s) and other components, and the system would even run when the side was open (the motherboard was attached to the side that opened so that it was flat on your desk to facilitate easy upgrades).
The G5's 'zones' are well thought out. Only the dual G5 has 9 fans. The single processor 1.6 and 1.8Ghz only have 7 fans.
Each processor's heat sink is located in the centre of a "wind tunnel" (which is formed by two bulkheads, the motherboard and the clear perspex panel). The frontmost bulkhead has a low speed fan and the heatsink with its 40 metal fins, which are aligned parallel with the airflow, is set back about 10cm (5") from this fan. A further 4 or 5" behind the heatsink is another fan that is rarely switched on. The combination of these two fans and the design of the "wind tunnel" keep each cpu cool enough without having to run the fans at high speed.
I've examined the inside of a 1.6Ghz G5 quite closely (I have a friend at my local Apple store) and I'm impressed by the design - it was obviously very carefully thought out and was only possible because they could design every thing to fit - when you design the motherboard and the case you can ensure that you get the best fit.
The computer is always monitoring and will spin up the rear fan to a low speed when the cpu is working hard to create lower pressure behind the heatsink which promotes airflow over it from the front without having to speed up the front fan. We worked it quite hard and I never saw the front cpu fan spin up any faster or make any more noise than a quiet "swoosh" the whole time, and we were running it with the metal panel removed (but the perspex cover still in place).
An interesting note though - if you remove that perspex cover while the computer is on it automatically spins the cpu fans up to full speed to ensure the cpu doesn't overheat because the wind tunnel has had a side removed, thus reducing the airflow over the heat sink. We called it a "headless chicken panic" since the noise from the fans is very noticable compared to normal running when you almost can't hear them at all and we likened it to the computer getting all confused with its side removed and running round the yard in a daze.
Re:9 Fans?
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Anonymous Coward
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And you consider yourself to be a sample size of 3? Even so, you're talking shite.
Re:9 Fans?
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Anonymous Coward
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No, I was pointing out that three to five feet is not reasonable. Most desks are designed so that you can reach the case easily while you are sitting. Unless you are very tall, or an ape, three to five feet is too far away to easily reach your case. Does that clear things up for you?
Almost too good
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Oculus+Habent
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· Score: 4, Interesting
When I saw the first few pictures, I thought it simply looked rendered. The light, the curves, the shading, even the capacitors on the video card look perfect.
That is some awesome photography.
-- That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
All you need is some light (and not the flash), and to spend a bit of time in photoshop/gimp tidying up the image. Most people just don't bother.
Re:Almost too good
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Anonymous Coward
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There's a simple trick you can do in Photoshop that I affectionately call the "matinee idol" filter (from 50s and 60s movies), that can often bring a nice soft, matte look to a digital photo. I think he uses it, and you can often use it to help repair poorly compressed JPGs.
1) Take the photo layer and duplicate it.
2) With the duplicated layer, set a Gaussian Blur to an arbitrary level (depends on your resolution; for 72dpi, try maybe 10px.)
3) Lower the opacity of this layer to 50% or less.
That's it.
Related tip #1: Try using a layer mask on the duplicated layer with a huge radial gradient in the center, to create a type of "depth blur".
Related tip #2: Keep the opacity of the duplicated layer at 100%, but set the layer blending mode to "Color" (in the Normal/Multiply/Screen/etc. pulldown.) This can help remove the crappy compression and colored noise on JPGs produced by cameras (for example, the blue channel gets mutilated on my Sony, even with max JPG compression.)
Actually nice photos
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adam872
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· Score: 3, Insightful
As someone who like photography and technology, I have to say I like the pictures. A reviewer of the G5 put it best when he said that it had a "brutal austerity". I think these photos capture it beautifully.
Too bad he didnt have a fast connection too
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bungeejumper
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I found the spoof far more interesting/amusing than the main page..oh well, something for everyone i suppose.
Re:Mac Zealots
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Anonymous Coward
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I wonder if this newfangled Mac has a two button mouse?
Love your Mac...
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JasonMaggini
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· Score: 2, Funny
..just don't, ah, Love your Mac.
I think he's a little too emotionally involved.
This is better than porn.
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Mabataki
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· Score: 5, Funny
This is truly one of the most erotic things I have ever seen. If that Mac was a woman, these pictures would belong in Playboy.
Re:This is better than porn.
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Anonymous Coward
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You must be one very very sad loser.
You don't understand
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littleghoti
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· Score: 5, Insightful
To mac lovers like myself raw processing power does not matter. It is nice that again the mac is kicking ass compared to the average PC, but that isn't too important. The thing is that the mac allows you to get your work done without crashing every 30 seconds. Macs let you work without needing to know anything about the stuff underneath, which is something that both windows and linux have been lacking.
And it looks sexy too.
I think that the fact that mac users find their computers sexy telling, as they love their machines, which is something that most users simply do not do.
Re:You don't understand
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justytylor23
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William Gibson on the Evolving Computer Aesthetic:
She pointed at the beige hardware. "How come this old shit is always that same color?"
His forehead creased. "There are two theories. One is that it was to help people in the workplace be more comfortable with radically new technologies that would eventually result in the mutation or extinction of the workplace. Hence the almost universal choice, by the manufacturers, of a shade of plastic most often encountered in downscale condoms." He smirked at Chevette.
"Yeah? What's two?"
"That the people who were designing the stuff were unconsciously terrified of their own product, and in order not to scare themselves, kept it looking as unexciting as possible. Literally 'plain vanilla,' you follow me?"
So I'm thinking that computer designers have finally gotten over themselves. First, tech has (I wouldn't really say failed, but) done unexpected yet powerful things to how we do business and interact. There is perhaps more willingness to make things beautiful. The G5 certainly solves a great deal of the frustration one has with finding space for hard drives or wiring, and this has the advantage of being beautiful while being efficient.
Re:You don't understand
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Anonymous Coward
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Windows 2000/xp do NOT crash anywhere near "every 30 seconds" I've been using a winows 2000 box for over 3 months now... not a single crash.
The key to Apple's design is to:
- lower the RPM of each fan,
- lower the air flow velocity,
- lower the total CFM required by all fans, and
- reduce the turbulence of the airflow.
A single fan design has the disadvantage of having to move enough air to cover the worst case configuration of internal components and thermal loading -- ensuring that some air gets to every nook and cranny. With 9 fans in 4 thermal zones, each zone of the G5 is regulated to minimize fan speed whilst maintaining acceptable temperatures. More fans for more fan cross-sectional area also reduces noise. A single fan design requires higher velocities on the blades and airflow and creates more turbulent airflow. Thus, for example, blowing 24 CFM though a single 120 mm fan makes more noise that blowing the same 24 CFM through an array of three 90 mm fans.
The front and back mesh covers act as a acoustic diffusers and help create laminar flow (which is less noisy than turbulent flow). Finally, the flow-through design creates a uniform convective flow over the components versus other designs with more convoluted airflows that create uneven flow or dead-air zones in the case.
-- Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
Most things look bad on extreme closeups....
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haut
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but the G5 looks amazing! Apple really did it right and didn't make it look cheap at all. Look at the top end Dell/Alienware/Gateway comptuers, they still look cheap. Amazing pictures and great link.
Dumb, dumb, dumb
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Anonymous Coward
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Just a bunch of photographs, but he can't resist requiring some proprietary plugin to get beyond the front page.
I like Macs, but Bill Noll's photos have a certain desperation to them--as if he's trying to prove that even the banal aspects of the G5 are beautiful. Here comes the aesthetic clue bus: soft focus doesn't make the banal more beautiful. It just makes it look look like you took your G5 to the high school prom, then got lucky afterward.
Sure, I'll take the G5 over Bad Boy Asher Bond's Pentium box in a heartbeat, but give me the parody site over the original's puffery and fetishizing any day.
I will also note that many Mac users are determined to believe in every last aspect of the Mac. The Mac is a wonderful machine, but even the most beautiful woman has her flaws. This is not at all dissimilar to the way a person falls in love with another. The greatest flaws seem invisible, easily forgotten.
I remember a Mac commercial, for the iBook I believe, where Ken Nordine did a voiceover, asking "Is it possible to fall in love with a computer?" Yes it is. For the average Mac user, this seems to be the norm. And I envy them the consistently wonderful thing they have in their lives. I have my Linux^W UnixWare and the freedom it brings me, but I can't say I've ever felt so strongly as the Mac users do about their boxes cum lifestyle.
Re:This makes me want to gouge my eyes out
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Anonymous Coward
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what about some people's attachment to their cars? or to their clothes? some even get to attached to their stereos! it's not weird, it's normal! I pretty sure you feel the same way about something!
macs are the best designed computers there is! and i'm not the only one saying that just read all the articles!
Bill sells 'em too...
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soundF*!k
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As a friend of Mr. Noll, I feel I should mention that he also sells Macs through his company, Neoview. http://www.neoview.com/
However, this is not really mass market retail. His clientele is fairly exclusive. (big name musicians and publishing)
Product photography howto?
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Anonymous Coward
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What does it take to produce product photography like that available from http://www.apple.com/pr/products/? How do they achieve things like the perfect alignment between the PB12's keyboard and the PB17's?
Re:Product photography howto?
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ElGanzoLoco
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3D renders, most (if not all) of them...
-- Hello! I'm a disaster waiting to happen!
Re:Product photography howto?
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peatbakke
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Actually, no. Not at all. Apple has done some renders (notably the fuzzy X on the OSX boxes.. a tip of the hat to Monsters, Inc.), but most of those images are probably real photographs. If they're not, they may as well be.
I've worked extensively with product photographers, and the lighting and shooting techniques used are quite standard fare: large diffused lights, a couple of critically placed spots, a seamless backdrop, and a glass table. The reason you don't typically see images like these is two fold:
1) Most products just aren't very photogenic.
2) Most art directors are addicted to cheap gimicks and flashy effects.. partially because of #1.
Reason for the beauty?
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00_NOP
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· Score: 3, Interesting
Do manufacturers make these things so beautiful to cover for the essential failure of the computer revolution? Only a few years ago we were being told we could expect high economic growth for years to come on the back of the ICT revolution and the explosion in computing power and interconnectivity - nobody believes that now.
So a serious question is: do the manufacturers now strive to make these machines more beautiful to mnake us forget that they have failed us. Ok, as someone who has read Marx, maybe I should say, is this an attempt to get us to fetishise the commodity more to make up for our human failure to realise their potential in our service?
Re:Reason for the beauty?
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Alex+Thorpe
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Isn't it a bit like asking if modern cars are so good looking to cover up the fact that they don't fly?
-- "Common Sense Ain't" -Unknown
Re:Reason for the beauty?
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Anonymous Coward
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Or more importantly, the fact that they're death and pollution machines. It's a damn good thing they can't fly.
Yes, I think there is something to that. But it's probably more the fact that, like cars, computers have become undifferentiated commodity units.
Re:Reason for the beauty?
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rrrrrick
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The cybernetic revolution only promised more lesiure time, not economic reform. We work smarter, not harder, for not necessarily more or less pay.
And hey the G5 makes that leisure time all the more productive. Hey wait uh minute!
-- aiai aaia aiai aaia aiai aaia
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Re:This makes me want to gouge my eyes out
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Anonymous Coward
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There is nothing wrong with liking something that is aesthetically pleasing.
It's when the staggering unbelievably flawed belief that something that "looks nice" is "better" than the alternatives that is the problem.
For example consider the following statements:
"My lunch is healthier than yours because it tastes better"
"My car is faster than yours because its red"
"My stereo is louder than yours because its Sony"
"My computer doesn't crash because it looks pretty"
Speaking of crashing, another irritation is the whiney Mac lusers who INSIST that their Mac "never crashes". These typically are the people who also claim to have "never rebooted" since installing OSX (and they obviously don't use software update). These claims are usually accompanied by some half assed comparison to some mythical "always crashing PC" (typically based on 386 machine circa 1995 with 4Mb RAM running Win95 original release (unpatched) that they "heard about")
Then there are the people who harp about security and about how their machine "cannot get hackers" "because it's a Mac".
I tell you what though - if you want a REAL laugh take a look at the "might-as-well-be-secret" Apple "technical" mailing lists, particularly the OSX server list (strangely none of these lists are indexed by Google...actually its funny that isnt it? You know the way that whenever you have a problem with Windows you just search google and you will get lots of links pointing to Microsoft's support site to their knowledgebase articles and newsgroups so you can usually find the answer pretty quickly? For some strange reason none of the Apple REALLY technical stuff is searchable on google. Now I wonder why that might be...)
A quick serach for "crash" on the server list results in 1733 documents. So, er.. how do you explain that Mac users? Unlike any other information it can't be lies as its ON STEVE JOBS' APPLE.COM SERVERS and seeing as they CANT BE HACKED then the information MUST BE TRUE!!!
Wait for the reply - "actually its 1730 results - those three had replied to the post without chancing the subject line while talking about how their machine never crashes".
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>> "The thing is that the mac allows you to get your work done without crashing every 30 seconds" > "Windows has been very stable since Win2000."
Hell yeah! Sobig.F gave you 60 seconds before machine restarted again.
I'd like this guy to do a repeat set of pics in 12 months when it's all full of dust, cat hairs, dead flies, crud, whatever... (Just before all the mesh holes get blocked up and it melts down).
Although I do agree they're great pics, and I'd sure love a G5...
I use OS X and win 2k, neither crash.
I installed 2k, I install all 2 million service packs and patches. I ghost an image, it crashes, it gets ghosted.
At almost the same time, i removed OS X Panther, and re-installed 10.2.7 (panther did crash, but you cant judge a beta).
I installed the several updates, (there were a good few, dont get me wrong), but i liked the fact that i only had to restart twice.
My end point is, If Mac users complain about Windows crashing so much, they either havent used windows 2K (i wont mention XP, its shit), OR ELSE they have no clue on how to handle PCs.
Having said that, id give a leg for a G5, and i firmly believe MAcs are superior. They let you work better, the OS doesnt get in your way.
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I have a mac powerbook g4 500mhz. I also have a win2k box (p4 1.2ghz) acting as a SOHO network server. The win2k machine crashes 2x a week. And what's more, with the same amount of ram, a faster HD, and a processor that's 2.5 times as fast, the WinBox is far slower at photoshop rendering.
I have had my mac for a year and a half and it has indeed crashed; once. The windows machine has required a hard reboot at least 200 times since I got it.
The windows box is exactly as it was sold by Compac, with the exeption of a firewire card.
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with the same amount of ram, a faster HD, and a processor that's 2.5 times as fast, the WinBox is far slower at photoshop rendering.
It is well known that between equally specced Mac and PC's Macs are faster at Photoshop rendering, because Photoshop filters are optimized for the Mac.
If you have a Windows 2000 box that crashes during normal use with legit software then you have a problem.
The windows box is exactly as it was sold by Compac, with the exeption of a firewire card.
Try taking out the firewire card and patching it. If it's exactly as sold then it will not have MS03-026 anti-blaster patch and it wont have any updated anti virus signatures. You probably have a worm.
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I don't know why, but somehow this troll brings a smile to my heart. You know, even though SimpleText is grinding to a halt as I write this, I always scan through the -1 comments of Mac stories on Slashdot, just to make sure it's there. I don't know if this troll post is always put up by the same dude or team of dudes, or if there just freelance 8th graders out there, shilling for not-Mac, but somehow, just knowing that there out there makes me feel secure. You know, no matter how bad the economy gets, as long as these misinformed trolls are around, there's at least one guy that I can count on being self-evidently more qualified than. Troll power! Well, I should stop waxing nostalgic. After about twenty days or so my 17K file transfer is done. Sure, I could have done it in a quarter microsecond on my 8088, but I'm just a Mac zealot: speed, cost, and stability are irrelevant to me.
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Macs may be good looking but keep in mind that they are just computers! The phrase "macs have so much sex appeal" really irritates me. I'm staring (happily) at a 23" Cinema HD display right now, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that Macs are "sexy" in the meaningful sense of the word.
In fact, I see much of the opposite happening. At my college, lots of kids have Macs. Many of them are perceived as kids who are overly self conscious about their computer buying - and this perception reduces their overall sex appeal.
Apples may look nice, but don't think that "warm fuzzy" feeling get to your head.
Note to all geeks: you have a better chance of getting laid if you buy yourself a worse computer and nicer clothes!
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I have a blue iMac at work that is "exactly as sold" from Apple except for a bit of extra memory and OS X and it crashes every time it wakes up from sleep.
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Don't post.
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...wash the wank stains off.
Seriously I often wonder if any Mac users understand the concept that it really REALLY doesn't matter what a machine looks like but rather there is this concept where the functionality of a computer is the most important thing?
Mind you I suppose if you don't understand the first fucking thng about computers then the way it looks really IS the most important thing - kind of like buying a "fast looking" motorbike as opposed to getting one that really is fast.
I really don't have a problem with the Mac, it's the fan club made out of fucking idiots I can't stand.
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If you had the choice between a slightly faster computer that looked like a 3-year old child felching the guy from goatse, and a slightly slower computer that looked like a PowerMac G5, which would you choose?
Thought so;)
-- "Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" - Plato
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Bozo. You dont think the PC world is any better, do you? My Antec with the front fans and the nice little filter in front gets clogged in 2 weeks time, and it still does'nt keep the fine crap out. Apple's solution is 10X times better. There's no chance it will ever overheat unlike all these Chieftec and Antec cases. When the front fan filter gets blocked on one of them, look out. And those are the BEST PC cases.
Anyone that does not take a can of compressed air to their machine every 3 or 4 months and blow all that shit outa there deserves what they get, which is usually a fried CPU.
The exact opposite is true from what you suggest. It's the PC cases that present a danger, not Apples.
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actually its 1730 results - those three had replied to the post without chancing the subject line while talking about how their machine never crashes
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I wonder if your 'mom' still has a set of balls between 'her' legs?
Perhaps nobody told these people they could have a UnixWare license and half a year's support for the cost of that G5 machine. And UnixWare PC hardware is cheaper than Windows and Mac hardware both, since it only runs on older hardware.
All he did was paint it white and put the words "Click here to get the plugin" on the side.
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Excellent pictures.
While those photos are extremely impressive (the best of a Mac that I've seen), I must say that my attention was drawn to his friend's site referenced at the end of the photo tour:
"Yeah, I have friends that use "windows" too, even one that thinks he's funny. Check him out here: http://asherbond.com/a5.
Introducing the Powa Mack A5: "If beauty is skin deep, nobody told Bad Boy Asher Bond - The new Powa Mack A5 is stunningly gorgeous - both inside and out. I used a Twinklecam, Web Camera with a Fisher Price Flashlight, to capture the metallic textures and elegant curves of the worlds second 32-bit Bad Boy Asher Bond personal computer. Thank you for visiting - I hope you enjoy - Asher Bond"
Of the mac pics I likethis one the best.
In case you missed it, he also linked to a friend's spoof, pics of his generic wintel box.
Apple has done the amazing, once again: Somehow they made a geek toy sexy.
to accept the praise of personal wisdom is an affront to the very ideal i hold dear.
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I know that the fans are supposed to be "super silent", but I would have expected more from Apple. My Athlon XP 2000+ (Palamino, 67W), GeForce4 Ti4200, 3xRAID 7200rpm desktop is cooled by only 3 Panaflo L1a fans (24cfm, 1900rpm). There's a Zalman on the GPU, so no fan there, an Alpha 8045 with a Panaflo on the CPU, a modded PSU with a Panaflo L1a, and a Panaflo L1a case fan. Even with all the fans on full blast, it's quiet, and when I use my motherboards thermal control function, it's nearly silent (the HDDs, which are Samsung SpinPoint P40s - quiet, are quite a bit louder than the fans).
One might wonder why Apple, a company known for industrial design, didn't design a 0 fan or at least 1 fan chassis. Imagine a system where both processors, as well as the PSU, are cooled by a single fan. If anyone can do it, it's either Zalman or Apple.
First,
1: How quiet, exactly, is this 9 fan setup? Is it quieter than the HDDs? If anyone has a G5, could they respond.
2: How quiet is it under load? When you are playing a 3D game or rendering video, does it sound like a jet engine or does it remain quiet and civil.
3: Why exactly did Apple elect a 9-fan setup? Fans are likely the fist part to fail on the computer. Also, as fans age, they get noisier. Do the fans in the G5 stop when they aren't needed or do they continue at a low RPM?
When I saw the first few pictures, I thought it simply looked rendered. The light, the curves, the shading, even the capacitors on the video card look perfect.
That is some awesome photography.
That what was all this school was for... to teach us how to solve our own problems. -- janeowit
As someone who like photography and technology, I have to say I like the pictures. A reviewer of the G5 put it best when he said that it had a "brutal austerity". I think these photos capture it beautifully.
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I found the spoof far more interesting/amusing than the main page..oh well, something for everyone i suppose.
I wonder if this newfangled Mac has a two button mouse?
..just don't, ah, Love your Mac.
I think he's a little too emotionally involved.
This is truly one of the most erotic things I have ever seen. If that Mac was a woman, these pictures would belong in Playboy.
To mac lovers like myself raw processing power does not matter. It is nice that again the mac is kicking ass compared to the average PC, but that isn't too important. The thing is that the mac allows you to get your work done without crashing every 30 seconds. Macs let you work without needing to know anything about the stuff underneath, which is something that both windows and linux have been lacking. And it looks sexy too. I think that the fact that mac users find their computers sexy telling, as they love their machines, which is something that most users simply do not do.
The key to Apple's design is to:
- lower the RPM of each fan,
- lower the air flow velocity,
- lower the total CFM required by all fans, and
- reduce the turbulence of the airflow.
A single fan design has the disadvantage of having to move enough air to cover the worst case configuration of internal components and thermal loading -- ensuring that some air gets to every nook and cranny. With 9 fans in 4 thermal zones, each zone of the G5 is regulated to minimize fan speed whilst maintaining acceptable temperatures. More fans for more fan cross-sectional area also reduces noise. A single fan design requires higher velocities on the blades and airflow and creates more turbulent airflow. Thus, for example, blowing 24 CFM though a single 120 mm fan makes more noise that blowing the same 24 CFM through an array of three 90 mm fans.
The front and back mesh covers act as a acoustic diffusers and help create laminar flow (which is less noisy than turbulent flow). Finally, the flow-through design creates a uniform convective flow over the components versus other designs with more convoluted airflows that create uneven flow or dead-air zones in the case.
Two wrongs don't make a right, but three lefts do.
but the G5 looks amazing! Apple really did it right and didn't make it look cheap at all. Look at the top end Dell/Alienware/Gateway comptuers, they still look cheap. Amazing pictures and great link.
Just a bunch of photographs, but he can't resist requiring some proprietary plugin to get beyond the front page.
Sure, I'll take the G5 over Bad Boy Asher Bond's Pentium box in a heartbeat, but give me the parody site over the original's puffery and fetishizing any day.
what about some people's attachment to their cars? or to their clothes? some even get to attached to their stereos! it's not weird, it's normal! I pretty sure you feel the same way about something!
macs are the best designed computers there is! and i'm not the only one saying that just read all the articles!
As a friend of Mr. Noll, I feel I should mention that he also sells Macs through his company, Neoview.
http://www.neoview.com/
However, this is not really mass market retail. His clientele is fairly exclusive. (big name musicians and publishing)
What does it take to produce product photography like that available from http://www.apple.com/pr/products/? How do they achieve things like the perfect alignment between the PB12's keyboard and the PB17's?
Do manufacturers make these things so beautiful to cover for the essential failure of the computer revolution? Only a few years ago we were being told we could expect high economic growth for years to come on the back of the ICT revolution and the explosion in computing power and interconnectivity - nobody believes that now.
So a serious question is: do the manufacturers now strive to make these machines more beautiful to mnake us forget that they have failed us. Ok, as someone who has read Marx, maybe I should say, is this an attempt to get us to fetishise the commodity more to make up for our human failure to realise their potential in our service?
There is nothing wrong with liking something that is aesthetically pleasing.
It's when the staggering unbelievably flawed belief that something that "looks nice" is "better" than the alternatives that is the problem.
For example consider the following statements:
"My lunch is healthier than yours because it tastes better"
"My car is faster than yours because its red"
"My stereo is louder than yours because its Sony"
"My computer doesn't crash because it looks pretty"
Speaking of crashing, another irritation is the whiney Mac lusers who INSIST that their Mac "never crashes". These typically are the people who also claim to have "never rebooted" since installing OSX (and they obviously don't use software update). These claims are usually accompanied by some half assed comparison to some mythical "always crashing PC" (typically based on 386 machine circa 1995 with 4Mb RAM running Win95 original release (unpatched) that they "heard about")
Then there are the people who harp about security and about how their machine "cannot get hackers" "because it's a Mac".
I tell you what though - if you want a REAL laugh take a look at the "might-as-well-be-secret" Apple "technical" mailing lists, particularly the OSX server list (strangely none of these lists are indexed by Google...actually its funny that isnt it? You know the way that whenever you have a problem with Windows you just search google and you will get lots of links pointing to Microsoft's support site to their knowledgebase articles and newsgroups so you can usually find the answer pretty quickly? For some strange reason none of the Apple REALLY technical stuff is searchable on google. Now I wonder why that might be...)
A quick serach for "crash" on the server list results in 1733 documents. So, er.. how do you explain that Mac users? Unlike any other information it can't be lies as its ON STEVE JOBS' APPLE.COM SERVERS and seeing as they CANT BE HACKED then the information MUST BE TRUE!!!
Wait for the reply - "actually its 1730 results - those three had replied to the post without chancing the subject line while talking about how their machine never crashes".
>> "The thing is that the mac allows you to get your work done without crashing every 30 seconds"
> "Windows has been very stable since Win2000."
Hell yeah! Sobig.F gave you 60 seconds before machine restarted again.
I'd like this guy to do a repeat set of pics in 12 months when it's all full of dust, cat hairs, dead flies, crud, whatever... (Just before all the mesh holes get blocked up and it melts down). Although I do agree they're great pics, and I'd sure love a G5...
I use OS X and win 2k, neither crash. I installed 2k, I install all 2 million service packs and patches. I ghost an image, it crashes, it gets ghosted. At almost the same time, i removed OS X Panther, and re-installed 10.2.7 (panther did crash, but you cant judge a beta). I installed the several updates, (there were a good few, dont get me wrong), but i liked the fact that i only had to restart twice. My end point is, If Mac users complain about Windows crashing so much, they either havent used windows 2K (i wont mention XP, its shit), OR ELSE they have no clue on how to handle PCs. Having said that, id give a leg for a G5, and i firmly believe MAcs are superior. They let you work better, the OS doesnt get in your way.
I have had my mac for a year and a half and it has indeed crashed; once. The windows machine has required a hard reboot at least 200 times since I got it.
The windows box is exactly as it was sold by Compac, with the exeption of a firewire card.
with the same amount of ram, a faster HD, and a processor that's 2.5 times as fast, the WinBox is far slower at photoshop rendering.
It is well known that between equally specced Mac and PC's Macs are faster at Photoshop rendering, because Photoshop filters are optimized for the Mac.
If you have a Windows 2000 box that crashes during normal use with legit software then you have a problem.
The windows box is exactly as it was sold by Compac, with the exeption of a firewire card.
Try taking out the firewire card and patching it. If it's exactly as sold then it will not have MS03-026 anti-blaster patch and it wont have any updated anti virus signatures. You probably have a worm.
Your troll has failed, dipshit. Try again.
Check again. It was Jeff Goldblum, but perhaps he was pulling his best Nordine impression.
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I don't know why, but somehow this troll brings a smile to my heart. You know, even though SimpleText is grinding to a halt as I write this, I always scan through the -1 comments of Mac stories on Slashdot, just to make sure it's there. I don't know if this troll post is always put up by the same dude or team of dudes, or if there just freelance 8th graders out there, shilling for not-Mac, but somehow, just knowing that there out there makes me feel secure.
You know, no matter how bad the economy gets, as long as these misinformed trolls are around, there's at least one guy that I can count on being self-evidently more qualified than.
Troll power!
Well, I should stop waxing nostalgic. After about twenty days or so my 17K file transfer is done. Sure, I could have done it in a quarter microsecond on my 8088, but I'm just a Mac zealot: speed, cost, and stability are irrelevant to me.
Macs may be good looking but keep in mind that they are just computers! The phrase "macs have so much sex appeal" really irritates me. I'm staring (happily) at a 23" Cinema HD display right now, but I wouldn't go as far as saying that Macs are "sexy" in the meaningful sense of the word.
In fact, I see much of the opposite happening. At my college, lots of kids have Macs. Many of them are perceived as kids who are overly self conscious about their computer buying - and this perception reduces their overall sex appeal.
Apples may look nice, but don't think that "warm fuzzy" feeling get to your head.
Note to all geeks: you have a better chance of getting laid if you buy yourself a worse computer and nicer clothes!
I have a blue iMac at work that is "exactly as sold" from Apple except for a bit of extra memory and OS X and it crashes every time it wakes up from sleep.
Don't post.
...wash the wank stains off. Seriously I often wonder if any Mac users understand the concept that it really REALLY doesn't matter what a machine looks like but rather there is this concept where the functionality of a computer is the most important thing? Mind you I suppose if you don't understand the first fucking thng about computers then the way it looks really IS the most important thing - kind of like buying a "fast looking" motorbike as opposed to getting one that really is fast. I really don't have a problem with the Mac, it's the fan club made out of fucking idiots I can't stand.
If you had the choice between a slightly faster computer that looked like a 3-year old child felching the guy from goatse, and a slightly slower computer that looked like a PowerMac G5, which would you choose?
;)
Thought so
"Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools, because they have to say something" - Plato
Bozo. You dont think the PC world is any better, do you? My Antec with the front fans and the nice little filter in front gets clogged in 2 weeks time, and it still does'nt keep the fine crap out. Apple's solution is 10X times better. There's no chance it will ever overheat unlike all these Chieftec and Antec cases. When the front fan filter gets blocked on one of them, look out. And those are the BEST PC cases.
Anyone that does not take a can of compressed air to their machine every 3 or 4 months and blow all that shit outa there deserves what they get, which is usually a fried CPU.
The exact opposite is true from what you suggest. It's the PC cases that present a danger, not Apples.
actually its 1730 results - those three had replied to the post without chancing the subject line while talking about how their machine never crashes
I wonder if your 'mom' still has a set of balls
between 'her' legs?