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Microsoft Dislikes Nations Trying to Escape Lock-in

Johnny Mnemonic writes "Reuters, link to C|Net, is reporting that Microsoft considers a possible collaboration among three Asian nations to produce their own OS "unfair". You just can't make this stuff up. Shouldn't Asian nations also have the Freedom to Innovate? Or is this merely a dodge by Microsoft to demonstrate that they really do face competition? Will they hire Boies to prosecute their case?"

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  1. Microsoft tantrums by iCat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft are either off their heads, or someone at the State Dpt has given them a wink and they know they can get away with acting like two-year olds.

    1. Re:Microsoft tantrums by MuParadigm · · Score: 5, Insightful


      No, I think this is more of an attempt to get State's attention and let them know that MS expects them to come to their aid, via the US Trade Representative.

      The problem for State in this situation would be that they can't tell other governments to "let the markets" decide which software to use without also making it look like the US Gov't may be colluding with MS to provide software that can be infiltrated through back doors. Remember the "NSA_Key" fiasco? Lots of governments do too. And many of them did not buy MS's explanation.

    2. Re:Microsoft tantrums by Weh · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Although I dislike Microsoft I can see their point.

      How would you like it if you were a car manufacturer and suddenly a government would start producing cars and competing with you using taxpayer money?

      Naturally I believe a government is free to do so if they want to. Furthermore I am sympathetic to the idea of providing citizens with a free os to ensure freedom of information etc.

      However I can understand Microsoft's reaction from a business point of view.

    3. Re:Microsoft tantrums by fafaforza · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Additionally, the government would have more power to instill their OS in school, government offices, and perhaps even have power to persuade the public to use it by releasing documents only readable on that OS, giving financial breaks, etc.

      Microsoft would in effect be trying to compete with a legal monopoly.

  2. all in time by mOoZik · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Looks like MS is facing more competition than they'd like. They can change their ways, improve their products, or falter and die. My bet is they'll try to get their systems in these places at a price cheaper than dirt, as they've tried before with Munich and the rest. Interesting to see how this will revolutionize the software industry in the long run.

  3. Re:It is a bit unfair... by Gorny · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has hindered a lot of other companies when it comes to free competition so I find this complaint somewhat childish.

    And whats fair? There's no free trade. The US give large amounts of money to their own steel manufactures so they can compete with the EU. The EU on the other hand is doing the samen with their large importtaxes on foreign, cheaper farmer products.

    My point is; there's no real free market although a lot of people strive to it. There isn't and this article is just another example of how things go along :)

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  4. Where do you want to go today? by OffTheLip · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apparently the Asian triad wants to go as far away from Microsoft as they can. The bigger question, will open source innovation be shared.

  5. Re:There is no comparison, Keanu by rking · · Score: 5, Insightful

    But ultimately governments making software isn't a whole lot better than governments making airplanes or computer chips.

    How about governments paying people to make airplanes because the government needs airplanes? Governments pays lots of people money to produce things. That includes producing software to meet their needs (as well as airplanes and computer chips). I think you need to be a little clearer as to what the problem is in this case. Governments want a better operating system, governments pay for it to be produced.

  6. Even for defence? by ananiasanom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So would it be "unfair" for, say, the Pentagon to announce it wanted to use software developed in the USA in preference to overseas products?

  7. Re:It is a bit unfair... by MuParadigm · · Score: 5, Insightful


    It's actually perfectly fair for a government to assist in creating a market for a product they need (or want), especially if existing products don't meet its needs.

  8. Re:There is no comparison, Keanu by meringuoid · · Score: 5, Insightful
    And is it also wrong for the Russians to build their own planes? Why don't Boeing or Lockheed get a look-in when the Russian airforce wants some new fighters? Obviously because it is in Russia's interest to maintain an independent ability to develop and build such aircraft. Maybe the US could supply better planes more cheaply, but some day when all Russia's factories are derelict a US government might cut off the supply, and leave them in a difficult position.

    Similarly, I think critical software is as much a national security issue as defence hardware; and in a world where the US is trusted less and less, and Microsoft hardly at all, it makes sense for other countries to ensure that they have a homegrown alternative that they can rely on.

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  9. Re:There is no comparison, Keanu by SmallFurryCreature · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lol and your email adress is hotmail?

    Anyway.

    Awh, how sad. Poor little MS gets some competition. Except that it is not some tiny startup who can be easily kept out but a trillion dollar part of the world. It sounds like you are feeling sorry for the school bully who suddenly finds himself getting beaten senseless by a 400 pound gorilla. Personally I am going hope this is going to be like any decent western. MS doing the .45 dance.

    MS screwed BeOS now they are going to get screwed. Bees should not complain about being stung, thiefs should not complain about things being stolen and MS should not complain about facing competition with a bottemless warchest.

    MS has had for the last decade more then enough money and resources to make themselves popular. Instead they have opted to get more and more money and make themselves hated and despised. Now they are reaping the rewards. More and more people and even whole countries are refusing to deal on their terms anymore.

    It is sad that it takes goverments to put up some serious competition but that is the way it works. With small companies it is possible but with say the car industrie competition came only about with goverment sponsored companies. Japan and korea spring to mind but also europe were the marshall plans, US money after WWII, was used to setup factories that would have been very hard to do with private money. For the current steel wars, the dutch "hoogovens" got its start from US money :)

    Sometimes it takes goverment intervention to dictate changes in the market. Don't forget that in the rest of the world politics are not entirly decided by corporate sponsors. Goverment sponsored promotion of certain products over established products are hardly new. Eco-tax on petrol while subsidising natural gas. Tax breaks for enviromental production, coupons for low power consumption electronics.

    But back to your post. MS facing competition from huge goverments is unfair. Small business facing competition from huge MS is fair. "Call for Mr Kibo. Bill Gates wants you to report for his 4 o'clock asslicking."

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  10. Re:It is a bit unfair... by ananiasanom · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And whats fair? There's no free trade. The US give large amounts of money to their own steel manufactures so they can compete with the EU

    And this is controversial. It leads to arguments in GATT, possible trade wars, whatever. In principle, that sort of thing is generally agreed by governments to be a bad thing.

    MS would be delighted to get this Asian software initiative considered to be the same kind of thing, but in fact it's not the same kind of thing at all, because this is the governments choosing domestic producers over foreign producers for government systems.

  11. MS knows what they're doing by bizcoach · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The one thing that MS is really good at is strategic marketing. It is safe to assume that they have thought the matter through.

    My conjecture is that they're realising that they cannot win against Free Software unless they manage to create the impression of Free Software such as GNU/Linux being "un-American" and "a threat from Asia against our economy".

    Of course they'll consider it an added bonus that maybe they can get US dimplomats involved in putting pressure on foreign governments in areas like

    • creating DMCA-like laws
    • making software ideas patentable
    • preventing government institutions from contributing to Free Software that they'd like to use
  12. Re:Free Enterprise vs. Government by pe1chl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right. In fact the US government is, by allowing software patents and tolerating that companies like SCO destroy other people's business without having to prove that they have a point, influencing the market much more than a government that stimulates the development of free software.

  13. Poster doesn't understand the arguement by geekee · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft's arguement is simple. It is bad policy for govts. to run businesses that compete with industry. A govt. that cares about individual rights has no business taking taxpayer money and using it to develop products that compete with industries. A govts. only job is to defend individual rights. It shouldn't be wasting taxpayer money on social engineering by messing with the free market. I certainly would object to the US govt investing in software that wasn't directly related to national security or other govt. functions. A govt developing software to compete directly with commercial software is taking a step towards communism. Let Redat, Mandrake, and free orgs. like FSF develop Linux, but don't force taxpayers to pay for it by turning it into a govt. project unless you have a really good reason. I won't even get into the practical problems of who's in charge of development when govts. get involved.

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