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Using GPS To Prevent Train Crashes In India

dave420 writes "The BBC has an article outlining plans in India to use GPS technology to alert train drivers of obstructions on the tracks, automatically stopping the train if the driver fails to take action. This sounds like a good use of cheaply-available technology to provide a safer train network."

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  1. Smart Cars? by neiffer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I wonder if this technology will evolve into technology to support automobile travel. There have been many attempts to develop technologies to allow for automated auto travel from laying copper wire for navigation systems to using object sensors in bumpers. Maybe GPS is the way to go! Of course, the BMW's of the world will get it first!

    1. Re:Smart Cars? by thynk · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I remember not long ago thinking how simple the system would have to be to have a smart car take over in situations where you'd normally use cruise control. Did a bit of poking around and found that a group in Germany built an automated car that was able to pass the German driving exam.

      Pretty sweet stuff - will make my 13 hour drives to pick my kids up several times a year a lot easier to deal with.

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  2. yoga classes on train while driving? by civilengineer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    But now, they can look forward to yoga classes, counselling for work as well as personal problems and air-conditioned rest rooms on long distance trips. While the GPS system drives the train?

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  3. Re:the reason for most train crashes by RevSmiley · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The same reason the UK seems to be having many crashes and derailments. Who could have thought of such a thing.

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  4. Point car by steveha · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I have an idea for improving train safety.

    The biggest problem for train safety is that a train is hard to stop. It has so much mass that you can't just suddenly decide to stop it. In a perfect world, you would have some warning before you needed to stop it.

    So make a much smaller vehicle that can stop quickly, and have that run out ahead of the train! Call it the "point car". Sensors on the point car would watch for an obstruction on the tracks (such as a stalled truck) and would halt the point car quickly; the train would stop more slowly, but it would have enough warning that it could stop before it reached the point car, let alone the obstruction. Also, you could mount a video camera on the front of the point car, and the engineer driving the train could watch a live video feed. A wireless radio link is probably the best way for the point car and the train to communicate.

    I'm sure the biggest problem with my idea is that it would cost too much. The point car would need fuel of some sort, and would itself be an expensive piece of equipment, and you would need one for each train. It would be cool if the point car could be driven by electric motors that somehow parasite power off the train, but I don't think any sort of power extension cord would be very practical.

    And of course, if India is only now spending the money to put cushions in for engineers to sit on, they won't be the first ones to try point cars.

    I don't know much about train crashes -- what fraction of train crashes are preventable with just GPS, and what fraction are not? If the most common problem is a train hitting another train, then GPS on both trains would help a lot. But GPS won't do much good if a truck stalls across the tracks.

    steveha

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    1. Re:Point car by technix4beos · · Score: 4, Interesting

      How about using unmanned fuel cell airplanes? It could follow the tracks, ahead of the train, reporting back what it sees, AND be able to stop in time.

      I'm positive it could be engineered to follow the tracks, hovering a few feet above the ground. When it spots something obstructing the tracks, it could report it automatically to central control, and the train, which would then have time to slow down.

      Read the previous slashdot entry:
      http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid =03/06/2 4/1954211&mode=nested&tid=126

      According to the links, it's capable of sustained flight for six months. Surely given that India has over 90% of it's rail lines outside, and it gets quite a lot of sun exposure, this would be a good choice of "point vehicle".

      Just a thought.

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  5. Re:So... it'll know where other trains are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    mod this parent up!

    India's train engineers are notorious for braking fatally at the last minute because of a sacred cow on the tracks. While this may seem stupid to the rest of the word (and probably to the poor cow who merely wishes to die) the Indians are adamant that people should die to protect the cow. Knowing where the cows are seems very important if you value human life.

  6. And they'll be using GPS how? by fname · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well, that sums up my thoughts after reading this article. Huh? GPS is really useful for a lot of things, and railroads use it to track there cars in the rail yard (with the help of radios which broadcast their location) and on the rails. And they can distinguish whether a car is on one track or the other if they have differential GPS set up.

    As for collisions, it could help avoid crashes between 2 cars or between 1 car and a known obstruction, if they are using differential GPS to identify the track. Otherwise. I suppose if there's only one track, the railroads could use this info to prevent trains from colliding. Or if a bridge is out, the railroad could use software that gets the GPS info to alert the driver.

    However, the article doesn't go into any details at all; maybe they'll just use it to identify conductors of recent accidents, which they could probably do just as well w/o GPS since the dispatchers know where the trains are anyways. Maybe this is just the easiest thing to implement with the GPS technology, and once it's in place, they'll expand. I wish the article had more info though, so I could spare everyone from my idle speculation.

  7. Is Hi-Tech the Only Way For India to Survive? by reporter · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Last month, Slashdot initiated a discussion topic about introducing a low-bandwidth Internet connection into impoverished villages in India. Now, this month, Slashdot initiates a discussion topic about using a global positioning system (GPS) to prevent Indian trains from crashing. Things appear as though Indian society cannot function properly without high technology.

    Please read "Trains in Japan". Trains in Japan have been extremely reliable and clean since the 1950s -- almost half a century. In 1960, there was no GPS, no Internet, etc. Yet, the train system in Japan worked fine.

    What in Indian culture prevents Indian society from developing into a modern society? Why does Indian society need all this high-tech intervention in order to make it just barely livable, yet Japan has been an adequately livable society since the late 1960s?

  8. Train Crossings by Goldfinger7400 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Wait, so does this mean they'll actually be able to shut the gate at a train crossing when a train is actually approaching? I recall waiting close to an hour (it's worse sometimes) for the train to actually pass, due to the fact that the gates are arbitrarily scheduled, and the train drivers have no sense of time.

    Amidst the bombard of vendors during the wait, at least I know now where to obtain a false passport.

  9. GPS jammers by vinsci · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Relying on GPS only has always been a bad idea. There are plenty of reasons for this, one being GPS jammers.

    A search for "GPS jammer" can be interesting for the bored.

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  10. Re:Smart Cars? Yes, it's being researched. by solarium_rider · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yes of course it has to be made more accurate, and that's just what this professor at UCR's, Department of Electrical Engineering is working on. To quote what he says about it:

    Global Positioning Systems: Accurate vehicle control requires reliable, accurate, high rate vehicle state information. We have developed and demonstrated a differential GPS/INS system to provide full six degree of freedom vehicle state information. Using GPS carrier phase and/or magnetometer measurements, we currently attain 2.5 cm. std. horizontal position accuracy. The INS provides the estimates at a higher rate (>150Hz) than the GPS itself is capable of providing. In addition, the INS maintains the vehicle state during brief periods of loss of GPS signal.

    He also has some mpeg demo's available and also some reports (if you are really interested) on his home page (linked above).

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  11. technology in train transportation by Servo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A friend of mine's father works for the railroad here in the US. High level position that oversee's all of the traffic throughout the east.

    As I understand it, they use all sorts of radio networks and GPS systems to track where all the trains and cars are. They have advanced enough tracking that they know what locamotives are where, how many cars are hooked up to it, which track its on, and where its going.

    While technology isn't going to stop someone from hitting a boulder, it can get information around and see who is near the area and avoid as much damage as possible. It is foolish to think we can protect ourselves from everything, but a step in the right direction is progress none the less.

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