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Co-founder Joy to leave Sun

TheLinuxWarrior writes "An article at CNET says Bill Joy, Sun Micro co-founder and chief scientist, is leaving the company." You'd think after two decades of working at Sun, they could've found a better picture!

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  1. Rats leaving a sinking ship? by rf0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I dunno I always get worried when a company is generally in trouble and people leave. However it might in turn be a good thing as it depends on his motives if he feels that he is burnt out and wants a fresh challenge.

    Of course I can think of at least 1 company where there is large reductions but the people in the top still live in the ivory tower.

    Rus

  2. BSD, SUN, etc... by djcdplaya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For those who don't know, this is sort of the original founder of BSD.

    He wrote the BSD IP stack while at Berkeley (BSD, duh).

    Let's hope he works on his terms somewhere and stays away from the business/corporate world.

  3. No Joy for Sun by digitaltraveller · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's unusual for founders to leave like this.
    This is probably over a major senior management disagreement. A dispute about the best way for Sun to haul it's ass out of the fire. What other subject would they have time to talk about at Sun HQ? McNealy is schitzophrenic, one day he's wearing a penguin suit the next day he's funding SCO's fud campaign against Linux to slow down SUN's haemorraging bottom line.
    I guess Bill was on the losing side. The last few things I have read in the trade press (mostly from some ponytailed hippie VP named Johnathan Schwartz) sounded like Sun still hasn't got that they need to take bold risks to stay relevent in today's computing world.
    So by virtue of having stayed silent I think Bill Joy has more of a clue about company direction then these other clowns.
    Sun (like the town of Gotham) needs an enema. If I was in McNealy's shoes I would hire somebody like Tim O'Reilly to come in and give the company a wake up call on corporate strategy.

    1. Re:No Joy for Sun by oldmanmtn · · Score: 2, Insightful
      It's unusual for founders to leave like this.

      Oh, BS. It's enormously unusual for a tech company to last 21 years, let alone have half of the founders still involved.

      This is probably over a major senior management disagreement...What other subject would they have time to talk about at Sun HQ?

      And more BS. Joy was a founder, but he's not involved in the day-to-day "management" of the company. Regardless of what Sun management talks about at "HQ", Joy has been in his Aspen lab churning out cool stuff like Java for, what, 10 years now? I don't have a clue why he's leaving, but I can't imagine it's because he's pissed that McNealy hasn't drunk the Linux koolaid.

      --
      - Old Man of the Mountain ---- "I want to disturb my neighbor"
  4. Re:So, what's he doing next? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whatever it is, I'm going to buy stock in it. This guy is a genius, and has truly initiated world-changing technologies. I'm going to be closely watching to see where he goes, because it's going to be impressive.

    By your logic Marc Andreson's (spelling?) company formerly known as LoudMOUTH^H^H^H^HCloud would be a big hit.

    Just do us both a favour - give all your money to me and I'll give you half of it back in two years. This way we'll both be better off - we'll both have enough money to eat at Arby's.

  5. Why would anyone choose sun? by T-Ranger · · Score: 2, Insightful
    This is a serious question.. I mean why?

    Sun's traditional products have been Unix workstations, and because there necessary for unix workstations, unix servers. And of course software to run on them.

    In the grand scheme of things, only recently has Sun started producing realy big boxes. And simotaniously, the need for big boxes has decreased: its clusterd micros as far as the eye can see.

    For a general purpose unix workstation, a PC with Linux is cheeper, and more powerfull.. I daresay that the likes of Redhat is easier to manage then Solaris. For high end deskops for visualization, get a (Intel based) SGI with its fancy software. For entry level server, linux rocks. For mid range stuff, a cluster of linux boxen on Intel based SMP boxes is better then a single, or a smaller cluster of Suns. And for realy high end stuff, IBM is the only game in town: whatever else you can say about them they have made rock solid mainframes for 50 years, that work all the time, period. If you need such a machine, why would you risk getting one from a company that has been in that market for what? 2 years.

    I priced a Sun PCI SCSI card last week. $500. No RAID, no cache, just a vanila SCSI card with a Sun sticker (and solaris support). Thats just insane.

    So why? Why would anyone ever go to Sun for anything?

  6. Re:he is headed for Apple? by Billly+Gates · · Score: 2, Insightful
    BIll does not care about Operating systems anymore. His interest is in research and development. Sun is cutting this to meet wall street expectations. Also has Sun really innovated anything in the last decade? Java and in the 80's large mainframe like capabilities with server level hardware. That is it.

    Its time to go. He may actually be a professor at a college and work on grants. They are more liberal and he does not have to worry about researching topics that profitable.

  7. Re:Why did someome mod this Offtopic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    No, it wasn't because he mentioned Indians that it was modded off-topic, it was modded off-topic because Khosla has nothing to do with the story about Joy leaving Sun. For Christ's sake, imagine if the Brits posted something about Turing in every article, or the Irish about Boole, etc. etc. How would it be pertinent? Lose the persecution complex, it's tiring.

  8. Re:How can you love Linux/Unix and hate vi by cant_get_a_good_nick · · Score: 1, Insightful

    UNIX is an expert friendly operating system.

  9. Re:So I guess... by BuffPustule · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You owe it to yourself and your self-esteem to start looking hard for an alternative to this job. Once your boss belittles your worth and contribution, your best answer is to find another job (not that I'm recommending you jump out of the pan and into the fire, though) because:

    a) you will learn something new at a new job

    b) you will feel better for having found work where you are appreciated

    c) you will allow your former boss the opportunity to determine for himself just how important your contribution really was

    By the very fact you read this web site, you are more informed than many and your desire to stay abreast of current developments in tech means you most likely have retained (or even added to) your senior admin skills during your time at Kodak.

    Consider non-standard jobs, or start contributing to existing free/open source projects in your spare time now, and that may help you connect with people in a position to hire.

    Good luck, and don't let bozos make you feel bad!