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KDE 3.2 Alpha 1 Finally on FTP
An anonymous reader cut-and-pastes from the announcement: "Stephan Kulow finally managed to get the last bits of the KDE 3.2 Alpha 1 codenamed 'Brokenboring' including KDevelop 3.0 Alpha 6 on the ftp server (the mirrors should soon pick it up). There won't be any binary packages for this release because the KDE 'P(a)i' release is coming out soon. Everyone using it is asked to compile it with --enable-debug, so we can get valuable feedback. There is a new unstable version of Konstruct to install it."
Building the alpha version with an unstable Konstruct... I opt for both.
Kids today are tyrants. They contradict their parent, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers. - Socrates 400 BC
Quite the opposite opinion here. KDE is great for those who like to fiddle with settings, but I'm seeing here another release with yet more options to fiddle.
I like the ability to customise, but it has to be said some of the menus in konqueror and konsole and various other core parts of KDE are a bit messy at the moment. I see they're working to improve the situation in konqueror's file management mode but I still think a lot more could be done.
A lot of the options in kcontrol could be better grouped and so be more intuitive and obvious, without removing things completely. If the devs could do this, then I'd might switch, since for me KDE now looks good (with Plastik, hopefully the default in KDE4) and is much faster than it used to be.
Canopy doesnt fund Troll Tech.
Canopy owns some 6% or whatever of Troll Tech.
Maybe you are not familiar with how corporations work, but usually, the company pays dividends to the stockholders (or not), but the company doesnt send the stockholders the companys bills.
Canopy did finance Troll Tech once, when they bought the shares. Around 1998, IIRC. You know, when Caldera was still a Linux company.
1. I love KDE - when we run Linux desktops, they are Mandrake/KDE desktops
2. The KDE project is a quality project, I never liked GNOME's politics. The KDE team had the "harmony" project to create a GPL'd Qt replacement, just in case, the GNOME team could have worked on that instead of going after KDE in a holy war.
3. We have one developer licensed on Qt (triple platform) and one other that is probably being added to Qt development.
HOWEVER
The KDE team was a bunch of Trolltech guys. At least in the beginning, those pushing KDE development were from Trolltech.
The Trolltech team was out to create a cross-platform API and push it. KDE was their way of creating a Unix desktop using their libraries. The whole plan was to make Unix desktops credible (this was in the days where engineers would have a Solaris Workstation for engineering, and a Windows desktop for Groupware/Productivity apps), so that they could sell Qt. This was also before MS Office completely owned the market (remember, Office 95 was their first big hit, and it wasn't until the time of Office 97 that MS had a defacto productivity monopoly b/c Wordperfect died).
The KDE team was formed by Trolltech to create a marketplace for a Unix/Win32 cross-platform toolkit.
In addition, Motif/CDE had an established market. Trolltech was pushing Qt/KDE as a replacement, going after the entrenched Unix market. The goal was to push to Engineering focused Motif/CDE out for a Qt/KDE environment that would do productivity AND Engineering. That would let corporations build their internal applications (where people spent a LOT of time) in a cross-platform manner, for the engineers to be able to use.
Alex
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Do you changes clothes while making the "chee-chee-cha-cha-choh" transformation sound?
Exchange support is not even in the works (yet):
d e- 3.2-features.html
http://developer.kde.org/development-versions/k
It's marked red there still. I can also attest that there are no signs of Exchange support in CVS ( thanks to my distro providing easy compiles, I update every week ).
KDE is made by Trolltech, a Canopy Group company.
KDE is not made by Trolltech, but by a network of around 200 regular contributing individuals around the world. Two or three of these work on Qt for Trolltech, and contribute to KDE in their spare times.
(Yes, I've been trolled, so what)
"Oppression and harassment is a small price to pay to live in the land of the free." -- Montgomery Burns.
Matthias Ettrich and Warwick Allison (just to name a couple of KDE developers) were open source KDE developers first and only after their great acheivements in KDE were they hired by TrollTech. The same is true for most of their other employees - they cut their teeth on the open source KDE platform first. The original KDE team was pretty indifferent to licensing issues and they only cared about using the best written GUI software platform available at the time, namely Qt.
TrollTech is not the self-serving evil company you make it out to be. They actually care about writing quality code - and it shows in their products.
And no, I'm not a TrollTech employee. I've just used their software in the past commercially and was very impressed by it.
The name does fits in with other KDE alpha release names, like Krash.
0 429442 for the proposal and http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=105722962 907440 for some of the criticism.
Anyway, Brokenboring comes from a proposal that was made during the KDE 3.2 development cycle. "Brockenboring" was the name given to the proposal, and a detractor quickly turned that into "Brokenboring."
See http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=10565545
Canopy owns 4.1% according to Trolltech. I hardly consider that a significant influence even with one guy on the board.
Just curious have you ever used Gentoo? I mean its not just the optimizations, that make gentoo great, its the fact that you can get up to date software faster than the mojority of distros. CVS and experimental software are a breeze. And the fact that you can just type a command and come back later with it working is great. I have a knoppix system install on my laptop and so I am familiar with the apt-get system. It is nice when you set it to use the ultra-unstable software so you can actually use something recent but _I_ still _think_ its a bit more of a pain to use apt than portage. Gentoo is actually faster installing small programs than most distros since I dont even have to know where to get it. And the large stuff like KDE well I just go to bed and at the latest its ready to roll when I get back from work. I am not trying to convince you to use Gentoo just trying to say your statement sounds quite ignorant. And if you use Debian the way it was designed you won't get KDE 3.2 for another 3-5 years.
"We can no longer live as rats... we know too much." -Secret of NIMH
Yes, in case people aren't aware, KDE, like most projects that use the Qt toolkit, rely on a preprocessor to do a little of the work. Specifically, the C++ language is extended slightly to cover the concept of slots and signals, which is a very expressive way of coding up a GUI application.
Yes, and in kde 3.2a1, with khotkeys2, you can even define mouse gestures and attach dcop scripting calls, keystrokes, mouse movements, etc.. etc.. to any KDE app.
You could, for example, define a mouse gesture to tell kwin to close the current window. Or, you could define a keystroke a tell kdevelop (or any app using dcop) to open a new project and add a bunch of files to it.
Oh yeah, media keyboard support is also better in this alpha.
> Last I tried KDevelop, it kept crying for the documentation packages, which my distro didn't install because you apparently need the source code to have them. Bizarre.
:)
The new kdevelop in kde 3.2a1 has been pretty much rewritten from almost scratch. It's actually been in development for nearly 3 years.
> to that mess of a menu
The kmenu has also been cleared in up 3.2. Not only does it have a reduced amount of catagories, but it it follows the freedesktop menu standard (with GNOME (2.6?) and others), and it also has catagory headings for usability
Just visit the screenshot pages of the major/new applications: Kontact (2, 3, 4), JuK, Kgpg, KAddressbook, KBruch, Kig, Kopete, KVim, KCacheGrind, Umbrello, KDevelop, Plasktik,
I'd use Gentoo but the Gentoo fanboys like you put me right off. Most of you don't even understand the GCC flags you're using, let alone the basic concepts of compiling software from source.
You're defending moc when your parent was dissing C++.
He was even dissing the variances in multiple C++ compilers. That is the reason for moc. You need moc to make sure that it all compiles no matter what your compiler is. There are still a lot of things that are different between compilers (g++ supports array indexing with unsigned longs, VC6 doesn't, for example) and moc takes care of a lot of those.
It makes C++ easier for doing cross platform development.
Tell you what, next time I hear someone slagging off the Windows kernel, I'll explain at great length why Windows Media Player isn't as bad as they're making it out to be.
The only reason why you would be doing that is because you don't understand what moc does.
moc generates C++ code, sparky.
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