> Umm... Is Ubuntu supported? I'm not trolling, I seriously don't know.
Afaik for 6 months. Ubuntu wants to release a *single* release with 2 years support only next year. *All* releases of SUSE Linux have and will be supported for 2 years after release.
It's a new name for the now open development process of SUSE Linux. The main difference for end-users will be that FTP installation and ISO images will be available about two weeks before the boxed retail versions in the shops rather than one month later.
> I reckon KDE have their thumbs up their asses if they want to stick with DCOP for their desktop IPC interoperability/integration layer.
Sorry, but ever heard of "backward compatibility"? KDE has a working IPC mechanism for ages which it isn't going to dump within the KDE 3.x series. Which doesn't shall say that KDE isn't supporting D-BUS for some purposes already (HAL, media:/ KIO slave).
> But, I also think that they're waiting for D-BUS to hit stable
A stable/compatible staying interface of D-BUS would be nice, yes.
> You only need to look where they are putting the real money and engineers.
Several Novell engineers are working on KDE itself or integrating applications with it. Not even talking about other stuff like conferences, sponsored server hosting etc.
> It makes me laugh when KDE devotees
It makes me sad seeing GNOME trolls like you...
> The fact is, the Novell money is going into GNOME and NLD
And NLD, for the case you didn't notice, is not a "GNOME only" show.
> I dont know of any company that puts money into KDE
You then can learn something at 1, 2, 3 and 4 or in incomplete summary: HP, Intel, Novell, Trolltech, Linspire, Mandriva and countless medium-sized businesses.
Wrong, both desktops are offered at installation time without preference. And IIRC GNOME on NLD 9 uses khelpcenter to display its help pages. If that is not proving you a liar...
> all the work is going into GNOME. Don't believe me, check for yourself. KDE has a limited future at Novell
You're very wrong: Kontact and Kopete are getting improved Groupwise support, OOo and Firefox are being integrated with KDE.
> A rather odd interpretation of the events of the past year... but still.
My interpretation of all the last year' trolls shouting that KDE would be dying (on Novell/SUSE products and in general) after Novell bought SUSE is, that they were quite wrong. And they are also wrong this year.
When did "cancel" stop being a verb?:-) And "OK" can be appropriate depending on the context. I guess you rather mean "Continue", "Yes" or "No" buttons which are being replaced.
> it certainly would make life easier for the developers
I don't see how. Handling moc in the Makefiles is easy and telling that moc generates broken code is FUD, it for sure is one of the most bug-free parts of Qt. And btw, moc doesn't only add signal/slots to Qt.
> Not to mention the fact that 4 of the biggest distros ships GNOME by default.
Ship maybe, but not all use GNOME as default desktop. Or your definition of "biggest" or "default" is broken (JDS not being one of the biggest and NLD not having a default).
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You could do a SVN diff for 3.5 tag from 3.5 RC1 revision to its Final revision.
What has your "double-click-and-go software installation" to do with setting up a continuously online-updating software repository?
> Umm... Is Ubuntu supported? I'm not trolling, I seriously don't know.
Afaik for 6 months. Ubuntu wants to release a *single* release with 2 years support only next year. *All* releases of SUSE Linux have and will be supported for 2 years after release.
It's a new name for the now open development process of SUSE Linux. The main difference for end-users will be that FTP installation and ISO images will be available about two weeks before the boxed retail versions in the shops rather than one month later.
afaik yum support is planned for a later beta. And you can also use apt-rpm.
10.0 release will likely not have only 4 CDs, the beta doesn't contain Java and OOo for example. All 10.0 packages will only fit again on a DVD.
> I reckon KDE have their thumbs up their asses if they want to stick with DCOP for their desktop IPC interoperability/integration layer.
Sorry, but ever heard of "backward compatibility"? KDE has a working IPC mechanism for ages which it isn't going to dump within the KDE 3.x series. Which doesn't shall say that KDE isn't supporting D-BUS for some purposes already (HAL, media:/ KIO slave).
> But, I also think that they're waiting for D-BUS to hit stable
A stable/compatible staying interface of D-BUS would be nice, yes.
> Enough politics.
You mean trolling?
> You only need to look where they are putting the real money and engineers.
Several Novell engineers are working on KDE itself or integrating applications with it. Not even talking about other stuff like conferences, sponsored server hosting etc.
> It makes me laugh when KDE devotees
It makes me sad seeing GNOME trolls like you...
> The fact is, the Novell money is going into GNOME and NLD
And NLD, for the case you didn't notice, is not a "GNOME only" show.
> the SUSE name and KDE are legacy
Both wrong.
> Why are there two major windows manager projects?
Because GNOME was started as reaction to Qt not being GPL licensed in ancient times.
Add IBM to above, not really medium-sized - no, just missed to copy it.
> I dont know of any company that puts money into KDE
You then can learn something at 1, 2, 3 and 4 or in incomplete summary: HP, Intel, Novell, Trolltech, Linspire, Mandriva and countless medium-sized businesses.
> NLD is GNOME based. You can still install KDE
Wrong, both desktops are offered at installation time without preference. And IIRC GNOME on NLD 9 uses khelpcenter to display its help pages. If that is not proving you a liar...
> all the work is going into GNOME. Don't believe me, check for yourself. KDE has a limited future at Novell
You're very wrong: Kontact and Kopete are getting improved Groupwise support, OOo and Firefox are being integrated with KDE.
> A rather odd interpretation of the events of the past year... but still.
My interpretation of all the last year' trolls shouting that KDE would be dying (on Novell/SUSE products and in general) after Novell bought SUSE is, that they were quite wrong. And they are also wrong this year.
When did "cancel" stop being a verb? :-) And "OK" can be appropriate depending on the context. I guess you rather mean "Continue", "Yes" or "No" buttons which are being replaced.
No. KDE 3.5 will not be released before end of October at earliest. And next SUSE version will be 10.0.
It's a hidden option in KDE 3.4 and documented here.
With what screen refresh rates do MS Windows Live CDs run?
Search for any running composition manager screenshots, accelerating the driver architecture doesn't have any effect on screenshots.
> Most shops and individuals can't afford that stuff for commercial development.
Commercial? You must mean closed-sourced/proprietary.
Only parts of KDE will be made running natively on Windows (like Kontact), some already do (KOrganizer, Kexi, ...).
> it certainly would make life easier for the developers
I don't see how. Handling moc in the Makefiles is easy and telling that moc generates broken code is FUD, it for sure is one of the most bug-free parts of Qt. And btw, moc doesn't only add signal/slots to Qt.
> are they going to find a more elegant and in-language way to handle signals and slots
No, using macros and moc *is* the elegant way.
> preferably one that does not require the use of an extra compile phase
moc is a preprocessor, no compiler.
There is no "Linux/X11" edition but only an "X11" edition which also runs on Solaris, HP-UX, IRIX, AIX and many other Unix variants.
> Not to mention the fact that 4 of the biggest distros ships GNOME by default.
Ship maybe, but not all use GNOME as default desktop. Or your definition of "biggest" or "default" is broken (JDS not being one of the biggest and NLD not having a default).
Some stuff is listed in the Wiki: http://wiki.kde.org/KDE+4+Goals
> Will the patches appear in Konqueror (KHTML)?
Zack Rusin just blogged about this.