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Microsoft Offers A DRM Patch

Transcendent writes "Microsoft Windows Update is offering a download for their 1.0 version of the 'Microsoft Windows Rights Management client,' if you care to download it. Seems that you need Win98 SE and up (or at least that's the minimum 'supported'). Details are here. Although it's not required or a 'critical' update, this just paves the road for all of Microsoft's software to require DRM technology on your computer. Quote from the details page: 'Installing this client allows RM-aware applications to work with Windows Rights Management Services (RMS) to provide licenses for publishing and consuming RM-protected information.' This, dubbed 'Activation', entails that 'your computer will be automatically connected via the Internet ... in order to create and save on your computer a system component that is associated with your hardware.' Hmmm... me no like ..."

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  1. The thin end of the wedge. by caluml · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thin end of the wedge.
    Remember where you were when the world started to roll over, and let MS tickle its belly.

    But Grandad, didn't you try to fight them?
    No little one, it just seemed harmless at the time...

    1. Re:The thin end of the wedge. by blibbleblobble · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is the thin end of the wedge.

      C:\Documents and Settings\All Users\DRM was the thin end of the wedge. This is the hint to jump ship and get a stable operating system before you go down with all the other Windows users.

  2. Jeez by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    So who cares if the OS supports DRM? It's up to the media companies to actually use it. Let them try to sell their crippled audio files. No one will buy it.

    1. Re:Jeez by jonman_d · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're kidding, right?

      Crippled CDs. Region-encoding.

      Your every-day consumer doesn't give a crap about DRM, crippled software/audio, or anything else, for that matter. Your average consumer doesn't even know about crippled CDs.

      They'll get away with this, because most comsumers are dolts.

    2. Re:Jeez by WCMI92 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Your every-day consumer doesn't give a crap about DRM, crippled software/audio, or anything else, for that matter. Your average consumer doesn't even know about crippled CDs."

      They do and will when their CD won't play in the player they want it to. Or when it won't rip to MP3 on their computer.

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    3. Re:Jeez by pommiekiwifruit · · Score: 2, Insightful
      American consumers are notoriously intolerant of anything that gets in the way

      Yeah, that's why the spam problem was eliminated a few months after it first reared its head.

  3. RIAA by HermesHuang · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder if Microsoft got any money from the RIAA to do this? I imagine if done properly something like this could actually put a bit damper on illegal music.

    1. Re:RIAA by TwistedGreen · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oh yes, because I'm sure that all the loyal music pirates will dutifully convert all of their existing mp3s into a DRM-enabled music format.

      I don't see how they're going to get their customers to start using this... I mean, it's not giving them any added value.

  4. Re:irony by Josh+Booth · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's not called irony when its intentional.

  5. Good timing! by rolux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With everyone and their uncle updating their Windows these days to be safe from the latest viruses and worms, this is definitely a very good moment to push a DRM patch...

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    1. Re:Good timing! by orthogonal · · Score: 5, Insightful

      With everyone and their uncle updating their Windows these days to be safe from the latest viruses and worms, this is definitely a very good moment to push a DRM patch...

      And will it be included in the auto-update I and others have come to rely on?

      And will it be sandwiched in with 7 other patches, so I don't even see it?

      And will it be an un-doable patch (some are) or not (some are not)?

    2. Re:Good timing! by Hanji · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For now. How long until one or three of those changes?

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    3. Re:Good timing! by placeclicker · · Score: 1, Insightful
      No, it's NOT auto-downloaded. No it's NOT sandwiched with other patches. Yes, you CAN uninstall it.
      For now.
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    4. Re:Good timing! by misleb · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Could you give me an example of a patch like this that was sandwiched in with other patches? Or one that made MANDATORY to download? Or one that was not able to be uninstalled?

      Somewhere along the line IE became a mandatory component of Windows. I know it isn't and example of a "patch" really, but I think the point is clear. There is every reason to believe that DRM will soon become mandatory. Maybe not in XP, 2k, or 2003.. but perhaps the next version of Windows. All Microsoft has to do is tie DRM in with some common operation such as WindowsUpdate (like IE) and suddendly DRM become "mandatory" for common operations even though it might technically be optional/uninstallable.

      -matthew

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  6. Wow.... *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks for providing a link to an MS download on a pro-Linux site... no seriously, nothing like baiting on a slow news day. Were we expecting MS to sidestep digital rghts-management? I think not.

    We'll ignore the fact that on the same day, Gates donated $168 million to fund malaria research, but funnily enough, I doubt we'll see that reported here.

    1. Re:Wow.... *sigh* by bersl2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      OK, so he gives money away. So did Rockefeller. So do most of the monopolists.

      How he makes his money and what he does with his money are completely different items.

      He, driven by greed, is abhorent in how he makes his money; he is commendable (unless it's just for tax reasons) in what he does with it.

      Personally, I value the former reason over the latter, as it strikes too close to home. You are free to feel otherwise.

      BTW, Rockefeller always felt that it was his divine mission to make money at all costs, so that he could give it back. I wonder what drives Billy Boy...

    2. Re:Wow.... *sigh* by An+Onerous+Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Couldn't agree more. As far as I'm concerned, if you have $187 million to drop just to make yourself feel better about having billions while so many get by on less than a dollar a day, then yes, you are no good to us.

      Last I checked, Microsoft still had a virtual monopoly on desktop operating systems. So all those millions that Bill Gates is able to funnel into his pet causes came from overcharging the public. Also, while it's easy to count the number of people employed by Microsoft, what we don't know is how many jobs would have been created had they not used their monopoly position to lay utter waste to any potential competition.

      Personally, I don't see how allowing single individuals to amass multi-billion dollar fortunes provides any incentive for them to create jobs. Quite the contrary, at this point people like Gates and Ellison have no financial incentive to work at all. Perhaps by the time you reach that level, it becomes a game where money and market share are used to keep score. But as games go, it's an expensive and a stupid one. I say take away their toys.

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    3. Re:Wow.... *sigh* by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      168M??? So what. Think about this - if you had $100K in your bank account, and you donated about $367, would you give yourself accolades? That's roughly what that translates to.

      Consider additionally that this is money in excess of what he could ever spend, the actual amount donated becomes even more irrelevant. Now, if he were to fully fund an enterprise completely to solve an issue, that would be notable, although considering his means it still would be no sacrifice to him.

  7. awsome now drm all of your software by codepunk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cool MS now please put DRM into all of your software. When people cannot pirate your software easily I can sell even more linux.

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  8. No Stopping It by WebMasterP · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's been out for a few days. I haven't installed it.

    You just know that they're going to make you install it somehow... Be it selling a product a lot of people use (Office) and saying it can't be installed without the DRM software, etc.

  9. Supports Win98? by lseltzer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Interesting that it supports Win98SE, since Microsoft itself doesn't support that OS anymore.

    1. Re:Supports Win98? by BrynM · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It wouldn't suprise me if it was in the next 2K service pack. It will definitely be in the next version of Windows.

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  10. Re:How long? by QuantumSpritz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Eventually the patch will be 'automatically' installed - since M$ controls both ends of the update process (server & client) there's really no telling when the whim will strike and the patch is installed by default, or bundled with a service pack or the like. But, as my father is so @#$%-ing fond of saying, "It all works so well together." Bah.

  11. Who cares by spideyct · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's an optional install.

    You say "we'll see how long that lasts".

    Ok, so maybe it becomes mandatory and gets installed on my computer. It will enable me to use rights protected files. If I don't want to use any rights protected files, then I won't.

    Winzip has had a password protection feature for its archives for a long time. Doesn't mean I have to use it. But if someone sent me a password protected zip file, along with the password (giving me permission to extract the files), I'd be happy that my version of Winzip supported passwords. It doesn't mean that my archives that are not password protected can no longer be extracted, or that I must password protect everything.

    Sure, Microsoft could lock down Windows Media Player so that RM is required, etc, but then everyone (that cares) would just stop using WMP. You think they're going to lock down the sound & video API's in the OS so that nobody can make their own media players?

    1. Re:Who cares by TwistedGreen · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Precisely. Are they going to restrict WMP to playing only DRM-enabled audio files? It's not like it's the only audio playing application available. You can't stop people from using and sharing their existing MP3s, and you can't stop people from making MP3s in the future.

      The only real reason for DRM is to give the RIAA a "safe" framework through which they can release digital songs through the Internet. This way, if you buy a song, you'll need to use WMP or some other DRM-aware audio player. And that player will prevent you from sharing or copying that data, theoretically.

      But I don't think they're liable to stop selling CDs anytime soon. This patch doesn't strike me as a big deal.

  12. Re:RM-aware applications? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It's more applications that are imminent, such as Office 2003. In fact, I'd go so far as to say the release of this update is directly related to Office 2003.

    2003 let's you - the user - assign rights to files you create, so you have PDF-like capabilities, letting people edit or print documents you create. This has held back Word for a long time really, meaning legal docs and contracts always had to be PDF'd before being sent to clients. So it's nice to see it in Office this time around.

    I find it really funny how people always assume DRM is anti-consumer. It works both ways really, if you are out there creating work, then it will ultimately benefit you and stop people ripping your work off. Only things such as Apple's DRM'd iTunes and consumer-unfriendly media - CDs, DVDs, etc. - give DRM a bad name.

  13. It ain't that bad, yet by Travoltus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Remember Divx? (Not the codec, the DVD format that eventually got dropped by Circuit City)

    Crippled CDs are being complained about en masse, and are now the focus of potential Congressional action.

    DRM is very much at the upper right end of the envelope. You know, where the pioneers - and the cancel stamp - go.

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    1. Re:It ain't that bad, yet by tkrotchko · · Score: 2, Insightful

      " Remember Divx?"

      Yes, and so does everyone else, including media, and MS.

      They're not stupid; it will be far more subtle next next time around.

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  14. Get the "restricted computing" meme going! by hqm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I would like everyone to take every opportunity to refer to Microsoft's 'trusted' computing as "restricted computing" instead. We need to get this meme going in the mass-market consumer mind. Every place you would ever refer to "trusted" computing, use the phrase "restricted computing" instead. DRM is "restriction management". There are no "rights" here, just restrictions. "RM" should be called "restriction management". If we can get enough steam behind this now, we can turn the debate around to let people really understand what they are dealing with. "Trusted" my ass!

  15. Re:Office 2003 by hpa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Bullshit.

    This means that it is impossible to build a non-MS piece of software that can read .doc files that your clients will invariably send.

    In other words, Microsoft is using DRM to enforce their monopoly "by name." No need to keep switching incompatible formats, it will be either impossible or illegal (DMCA) to construct a Word clone.

    BIG problem, methinks...

  16. Re:Media Player 9 has had DRM since its launch by WhiteKnight07 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just because they can't uniqely identify your person doesn't mean they can't uniqauely identify your machine. They are two very different things.

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  17. Get Over Yourself by Farley+Mullet · · Score: 0, Insightful
    But Grandad, didn't you try to fight them?
    No little one, it just seemed harmless at the time...
    Chill out with the melodrama: requiring digital signing to play music or watch videos is annoying and obnoxious, yes, but cause for a revolution? No. If you don't want the patch, don't download it. And if you find windows overbearing, don't use it. It's not the apocalypse for goodness sake.
    1. Re:Get Over Yourself by ThisIsFred · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No. If you don't want the patch, don't download it.

      I think the point is that any newer (media) software written for Windows will eventually tie-in with the RM APIs, so you won't have a choice in the future. It won't be as simple as "don't use it." MS is apparently floating the balloon to see how the users react. Unfortunately, most users lack the forward-thinking ability that supposedly distinguishes them from their simian ancestors (I can't name one person who patched for MS Blaster - until after their PCs were infected) they won't give a hoot until they're being charged $1 every time they listen to an MP3.

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      "A fool and his freedom are soon parted"
      -RMS
    2. Re:Get Over Yourself by b-baggins · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But what is not a minor thing is trivializing the horrors of the holocaust by comparing it to a software patch.

      At least the holocaust deniers admit that, if it had happened, it would have been a horrible thing, but slimes like you say: Yeah, it happened, but it's no worse than a Microsoft software patch.

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    3. Re:Get Over Yourself by Nucleon500 · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Well, I won't, and I don't, but that's not the point. This is being foisted on unknowing users, who will eventually install it to use some cool new music service.

      It's all about the monopolies. Suppose one company decided to sell this DRM stuff. It would never catch on; it doesn't add any value. Nobody would install it. Now, suppose one music company wanted DRM. They'd sell their music with DRM, and they'd instantly lose to others who sold it unencumbered.

      Unfortunately, there's a monopoly in both the music industry and the operating systems industry. Microsoft can run any software it wants on 90% of America's desktops. If the RIAA decides they're pushing DRM, there's nobody else you can buy from. (Yes, Linux and indie, but they're not in a controlling position.) So we're screwed.

    4. Re:Get Over Yourself by InadequateCamel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sure someone has already said this, but...

      What are you worried about? If you don't want to support the RIAA then don't. If you don't want to support MS then don't. Buy indie. Buy a Mac or Linux. There will ALWAYS be someone to offer an alternative to the flavor of the day, and you have a choice.

      The people who buy the disposable crap that the RIAA peddles probably won't see the effects of DRM like a more advanced user will. I know this is a very large brush I am using here, but I will go out on a limb and say that 99% of the people who buy Britney Spears or The Ataris albums use their computers for e-mail, ICQ, and writing their resume to get a job at The Gap. You could give them a patch entitled "MS Will Spy On You Patch" and these people would still download it because a computer guy told them it was required.

      The people who know better will not use DRM, plain and simple. And before you go into a "but when MS rules the world and all hardware has to comply to their specs" argument, there is simply too much money in big business and education/research for the entire hardware industry to shift this way. Virginia Tech just proved that admirably with their G5 flotilla, to pick a recent development from the haystack.

      It is good that you are concerned, but to go so far as to say that we are all screwed is just being dramatic because you will always have a choice.

    5. Re:Get Over Yourself by antiMStroll · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Though I agree on the melodrama, you're wrong about DRM's scope. DRM must be applied to all files to be effective. What's the point of protecting, for example, purchased music downloads if anyone can rip the CD and upload it? Nor does DRM make sense without legislative enforcement. Expect more laws to follow. At potential risk is society's flow of information for the sake of entertainment commodities.

      The patch is optional only for today. Long term an optional, limited DRM system makes no sense.

  18. Re:Office 2003 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    That's like saying PGP is inherently bad because you can't decrypt everything you see with GPG without having the private key. How dare those capitalist pigs prevent you from reading every document that you hack off of some website?

  19. Get used to it ... by konmaskisin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    1) this component with never run on Linux or OS/X desktops (let alone other desktops).

    2) in 18 months or a year +50% of new content will require it (MS authoring tools will make it easy)

    3) most CIOs will cave in and view this as a reason to accept MS licensing

    4) more XP and new MS licensing 6 licenses are sold, more content authoring tools from MS are sold, complete and utter locking in of MS on desktop is more likely

    Conclusion: either way, in every way and on all sides Microsoft wins hugely by doing thing

    Or I could be wrong ...

  20. Thanks for the input from the DMCA crowd,... by buffoon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...but when MS controls 85% of the country's desktops, Ashcroft is pushing for greater intrusion into our private lives, corporations are being pressed to provide any and all information they have on citizens to the DOJ (and are doing so -- viz. JetBlue), and the Supremes simply override the Constitution at whim, I'm afraid it's not time for "ho-hum".

    Unless you're incredibly comfortable with Reich Emergency Protection Act ---- oops, make that the "Patriot" Act ---- it IS the apocalypse, and it's time to wise up and push back.

    1. Re:Thanks for the input from the DMCA crowd,... by GoofyBoy · · Score: 0, Insightful


      Were talking about an optional PATCH to an OS.

      I think that tin-foil hat is on a bit too tight.

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    2. Re:Thanks for the input from the DMCA crowd,... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's optional for now. It makes sense from Microsoft's point of view to introduce obnoxious, intrusive programs as "optional features", so that when they incorporate it as a hard-wired component of their other products they can gull the gullible by putting a "positive" swing on the announcement.

      "Now including..."

      Let's face it; Microsoft is not making money out of people who actually have a handle on what Microsoft are doing to manipulate the market. They are making money by exploiting the stupidity of business managers or by exploiting the ignorance of your grandmother.

  21. Download it, but do not install. by (void*) · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I recommend people do this. Keep a copy for safekeeping and archive. Then one day, when they've "upgraded" the DRM to something so restrictive that you cannot tolerate it anymore, you can remwind your software to this DRM version.


    Because like it or not, new versions of software will be full of bugs (read exploitable, hackable), while older versions will be more well-crafted (read treacherous).


    All of these is assuming that you do not want to trust MS. Personally, I'm undecided, but for lots of you out there, you have decided. This is the best advice I have for you.

  22. You're Either An Anti-Semite Or An Idiot by Farley+Mullet · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Requiring all Jews to be registered is just a minor thing.
    If you can't figure out the difference between the holocaust and Microsoft's DRM strategy, then you need to stop and think about things for a good long time. But I'll give you a hand: the relevant dissimilarity between the two things you're trying to compare is that Microsoft's DRM strategy won't end up with anyone dead. Pull back, get some perspective. It's incredibly offensive to people who had family that were victims of the Nazis, and, for that matter, to any thinking people, for you to compare the inconvenience of DRM (that you have to opt into, for goodness sake -- buy a Mac) and the deportation, forced servitude and murder of an entire ethnic group. Next time think before you post.
  23. Re:Act FAST -- explain situation to your friends by qbwiz · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Eventually, they may see more "functionality" with DRM, as programs and files will start requiring it.

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  24. Re:more pressure to move to Linux and other OSS by D-Cypell · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That only really works if everyone moves together which, lets face it, is pretty unlikely.

    MS knows that it can simply change the default 'save as' type in the MS Office suite to a 'DRM-Enabled' one to cause some serious problems for everyone who doesnt pay their tax.

    You are going to have to talk/type real fast to explain to J. User the benefits of Linux before they get chance to click on the "Click ok to install the patch required to view this document" dialog. And guess what? Once the patch is installed..... its no longer a problem for Mr/Mrs/Miss User.

    Clever folks at Redmond huh?

  25. Microsoft? Nah... by stewby18 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You think they're going to lock down the sound & video API's in the OS so that nobody can make their own media players?

    No, of course not. That would be anti-competitive behavior abusing their monopoly status.

    Oh wait...

    But seriously, it's conceivable that they could fold the DRM into the API itself, so that, for example, the API wouldn't function without some token from the DRM component. Now you have to follow the rules to use their API... and of course you can't just spoof the token, becuase even if you figured out how, you'd be violating the DMCA.

    It may sound paranoid, but on the other hand I can already hear all the marketing spin.

  26. Let them know... by the-matt-mobile · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm not sure if they monitor this or not, but you can change your Windows Update preferences to not show certain updates (click the Personalize Windows Update link). I wonder if everyone just went and chose to hide this update if they'd get the hint. Even if it's not a monitored thing, at least this way you wouldn't have to look at it onece a week when a new patch is released.

  27. I don't know about that by roystgnr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right now Richard Stallman is the first link in a Google search for RMS, that's going to take time and effort for Microsoft to change, and any astroturfing attempt on Microsoft's part would probably be met by a grassroots effort to keep Stallman at the top.

    RMS himself, on the other hand, doesn't need to make much effort at all to take advantage of the situation. It would be easy for him to tack a short rant about DRM, TCPA, "Trusted computing", and all the other current buzzwords onto the top of the political "action items" on his home page, so that even more mainstream people looking for information on MS/RMS are directed to GNU/RMS instead. It would also be easy to make sure that his essay The Right to Read, which looked like a paranoid rant in 1997 and looks like a prescient description of DRM policies today, gets read by many of the MS/RMS websearchers who hit his site "by mistake".

    I hope this isn't a coincidence; I hope some Microsoft exec intentionally chose "RMS" as a snide little poke at Stallman - that would make it sweeter when it backfired.

  28. Walking the thin line... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think that everyone needs to remember that this is what DRM is all about. MS has been walking a thin line between established publishers who demand protection of their or their clients copyrighted works on one hand and the consumer who will use whatever product benefits them the most at the lowest price. I don't think that the DRM battlefield is as clear cut good vs. evil as many seem to believe.
    Imagine if you will a future with two drastically different homes. In home A, there is a home computer running a MS OS that is similar to what we have today (before XP) that allows you to play any of your files on any computer in the house and doesn't have any restrictions on the software it uses and or the hardware you attach to it. This computer is linked to the television, stereo, and who knows what else!
    In home B, there is a home computer running a MS OS that is linked to a remote server with administrative rights over all hardware and software additions and checks that all of the software and media on it is payed for and legitimate. This computer may or may not be hooked up to the home entertainment system due to conflicts that may arise with its playing of digital content over other hardware. I could go on, but I think you get the point.
    Home A is a place where consumers are happy and unfettered and these consumers have stayed with MS products due to their ease of use. However, the content distributers are unhappy with this set up.
    Home B is a place where the consumer is not so happy because .mp3's that play on the computer will not play on the stereo and cannot be copied to a portable player. However digital content providers feel comfortable that no residents of this house are using any content that was not properly paid for.
    This is the thin line...
    Can MS satisfy content distributers with out alienating their consumer base? Without consumers of their products the protections are meaningless. Will consumers change over to another product that is less intrusive and controlling if such protections are put into place? Those content distributers have deep pockets and if they are entirely reliant on MS products to protect theirs MS will surely be in a very powerful and potentially never ending money making enterprise.
    So MS right now is feeling the waters out, playing both sides of the coin to see what will give them the best profit model for the future. If DRM pushes people to a competitor then some incentives to stay loyal will certainly come into play. But what if... what if... MS goes the other way? What if by signing an allegiance with the content distributors MS can ensure that the only way to get content is through them and their products? Maybe... but again if the consumers get too pissed about that then new content distributors might just spring up. So you see, we don't necessarily need a revolution. The fact that we have freedom of choice is a very powerful check.

    1. Re:Walking the thin line... by m1chael · · Score: 0, Insightful

      thanks to the reliability of the internet you need not worry about availability of a DRM authentication server.

      its all about increasing dependencies. if this becomes mainstream our computers will be dependent on these few server to be working (and our computer working) instead of just our computer working.

      DRM on...

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  29. You can be damn sure by Art_Vandelai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    when the new Itunes for Windows service comes out before Christmas, that this patch will be required if you want to use the media you purchase through the store. Then, when everyone decides "to hell with DRM" and continues to download free songs on P2P, they will be able to convince legislators to shut down Kazaa, Gnutella, etc.

    1. Re:You can be damn sure by VirtualWolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uh, no it won't. Under Mac OS X, all you need to use the iTunes Music Store is iTunes itself. There's no magical "DRM patch" that you need to use it, and I see no reason why iTunes for Windows won't be the same.

  30. Re:Completely WRONG--here's why by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Again, I iterate, because Slashbots completely ignore this point--this has nothing to do with a proprietary format
    Oh, so they're going to publish the details of the encryption format and server protocol so other office suites can read their protected files? Wow, I'm glad you have such reliable insider information about Microsoft going against the competetion lockout strategies they've been pursuing for 15 years.

    You don't deserve your name.

  31. Re:Office 2003 by Schnapple · · Score: 4, Insightful
    This means that it is impossible to build a non-MS piece of software that can read .doc files that your clients will invariably send.
    Have you even messed with Office 2003? Or read up on it? It can save to a multitude of file formats - old versions of Word, an XML document, and the Office 2003 format, the only one for which IRM (Information Rights Management) is an option. I've made a document in Word 2003, saved it to the XML format, then popped it open with XMLSPY. Sure, like every other Microsoft paradigm it's seemingly needlessly complicated, but it's not impossible.

    Also - something people gloss over - the IRM in Office 2003 is dependent on Windows Server 2003. You have to connect to a WS2K3 machine to use it. The beta version doesn't have this in place yet, so it uses Passport for the time being, but it's not as simple as Zip file passwords where the encrypting is self contained - you have to connect to a configured Windows Server in order to use it. It's hardly simple enough for the minimum wage secratary to accidentally password protect a document and forget what password she used. It's more like the secratary forgetting her Exchange password - the local sysadmin can help.

  32. Re:Act FAST -- explain situation to your friends by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 3, Insightful


    I know its microsoft, and we hate microsoft.


    And surely Microsoft has done nothing to earn animosity and distrust. It must be more of that jealosy of success we keep hearing about.


    But we love Apple's iTunes $.99 a song deal, and most of us intellies are probably yearning for such a service for windows/linux. well guess what - that requires DRM. Would such a service somehow lower functionality??


    Exactly why does this service require DRM? How would a lack of DRM lower functionality? If anything, iTunes has the least DRM restrictive format of all the offerings. Another thing it does right is allow the customer some ownership over the digital product they are purchasing. This all leads to numerous loopholes to circumventing what little DRM exists.

    Yet the service is the most successful of its kind. Odd considering how much more DRM "functionality" consumers could get with other, and even longer established, services.


    I see people in /. begging for a legal and legit music distribution one second and then cursing D/RM the next... you cant have it both ways.


    Look at the history of online music service. The first service able to deliver a large library of inexpensive tracks on demand with decent quality and no restrictions will eclipse anything else in the industry. Granted, the likes of the RIAA will resist this business model. And so they'll continue to create a market for the likes of Kazaa.
  33. Re:You do have a choice by racermd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In the float-up-the-DRM-balloon phase, most average people aren't likely to react. And that's fine. Right now, all it does is enable the use/play of protected content. And, as noted many times in this discussion thread and in the article itself, it's an add-on to the OS. Don't want it? Don't use it.

    However, we've seen many instances of MS rolling an add-on into a service pack and then requiring that the service pack be installed for any future updates. It's then possible to enable the DRM package to restrict the legitimate use of non-protected content and/or software because the end-user won't have any other choice. MS will be holding all the cards. But I think that this will be their undoing.

    If an unwitting user was able to use unprotected content both with and without the patch, then can't after MS sends the kill-code to the DRM package, most people will simply say that their computer is broken. They won't know that the DRM software is to blame unless someone tells them. And if a user's computer is "broken" due to some patch that was installed for them by MS, you can bet that those people will start looking for alternatives. Add all of that to the bad publicity MS will get about being "Big Brother", and more and more users will start to think of alternatives to MS software. (Ok, they've already started getting that reputation on their own with the Product Activation snafu, but it certainly doesn't help their situation.)

    The first likely route an affected customer will go is to buy a Mac, assuming that there's $1500 or more to spend in the family budget. Another option may or may not be Linux. It very much depends on how much it has progressed in terms of instant usability (can the family make the transition with little- to no difficulty?), and whether or not money is an issue. But I bet that Apple might step in at some point and start offering it's own OS to upset owners of "broken" PCs as an alternative.

    That is, of course, assuming that they even want to release it for the ix86 chipset to begin with. My fingers are crossed.

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  34. Re:Good Try, But You Lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    So you're pissed that he's pointing out how the USA is the Fourth Reich. The fact is that the number of parallels between Nazi Germany and the current US government is alarming! Hitler and Goering, whoops, Bush and Cheney, are making a mockery of everything you americans supposedly stand for and you're accepting their reasons for doing it.

    Land of the free, home of the brave? So far I see a government cutting away civil liberties with a chainsaw and people cowering in their homes seeing terrorists everywhere because of government propaganda which promotes the idea that losing those liberties is a good thing.

    DRM isn't in itself evil but it's a small cog in a very large machine that historically has ALWAYS been used for evil.

  35. it's happening to released criminals now... by bagofbeans · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ..starting with paedophiles (Megan's law in USA, and tagging in UK) exposing these specific groups after they have served their sentence. Next it will be all released sex offenders, then violent criminals, and finally those with misdemeanors. A little at a time, soon all 'potential criminals' will be tracked, just like 'potential terrorists' are starting to be tracked now.

  36. Not required, until content makes it so by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No, they'll make you drink your own poison.

    Scenario:

    Someone buys some RIAA CD and put it in the computer, of course they don't just play music anymore they launch flash but this time it tells them it needs to validate the CD and you can get the patch easily from Microsoft. Click here!

    Or

    You want to watch some movie clip at atomfilms, but it won't run without the DRM patch. Click here!

    Or

    The NYTimes won't load without DRM protection, afterall anyone can just copy and paste their HTML. Click here! Don't worry if we make revisions or anything, its just like paper. Read the corrections section in the morning.

    Big content and information control types are going go ecstatic as this slowly rolls out. Third-world dictators can put down their national firewalls and just use the built-in DRM patch before accessing anything on the WAN.

    Its a win/win situation for those against open information, standards, and fair competition.

  37. Has anyone thought that.... by Nekkrist · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...its more than likely that it will never occur that you can only view protected content via things like media player. Are you seriously telling me that you believe MS will make it impossible for people to watch their home videos on their computers? Or, are you saying that I won't be able to record myself playing the piano, making speeches, or otherwise recording audio and play it back to myself? I'm sorry, but I just dont see this happening. Ever.

  38. Re:What DRM really is by cavac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Well, that would be the point where i delete your email without reading it - no matter how important it is. I won't accept that someone else can tell me how to read my mails (long ones are best printed), how to store them and/or if i'm allowed to forward it to my second account.

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  39. Lighen up, would you? by Begemot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh please, don't just blindly throw all eggs in one basket. MS-RMS is designed solely "...for people who need to protect sensitive Web content, documents, and e-mail...". In other words: MS-Office output.

    What's wrong with that and how it's connected to RIAA?

    Instead of blaming MS for doing actually something good (at this time), perhaps it's just about time to think of Linux' answer to the problem of protection of sensitive corporate data. Otherwise, very soon, there will be no place for Linux on corporate desktops.

  40. Re:You do have a choice by DMadCat · · Score: 2, Insightful

    And if a user's computer is "broken" due to some patch that was installed for them by MS, you can bet that those people will start looking for alternatives.



    I think you're overestimating most casual users. I work for a company helpdesk with users who have been operating PCs for 5 years and will wait two and three weeks to report that their computer is "broken" (usually they've just deleted their email icon from their desktop).

    The point is, when their computers break, they're not scrambling for an alternative simply because they don't really care all that much. I doubt you'll ever see a user go buy a Mac just because their streaming audio stopped working or they can't open that ebook anymore. As for the casual user turning to Linux, dream on. To use Linux you have to be able to install Linux. You may or may not be surprised at how many people don't even know how to install Windows much less Linux.

    When you're clueless and your $1500 to $2000 box stops working the way it once did you simply turn it off and go watch TV.

  41. Re:Good Try, But You Lost by Featureless · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Oops. Unless an entity with monopoly power forces people through the "minor" inconveniences of DRM (with centralized "registration" - read monitoring) in order to use products that we have no choice but to both use, and keep current on upgrades.

    Unless you are saying we can just optionally all switch away from Windows, Office, etc. right now. LOL. Not quite yet, anyway. Not unless you want to pay for the world-wide migration and personally assume the risks.

    And then every other company jumps on the DRM bandwagon, because it's already there.

    Then not installing your optional DRM makes not optionally giving your social security number quite easy by comparison.

    This may not be the particular piece that does it, but this is coming.

    This is the company that bugged Windows Media Player, so that it reports back what you watch, along with your GUID. Oh yeah, it's not personally identifiable. Until you register your product, and it can be cross-referenced, that is. "Oh yeah, uh, we need to check your DVD 'title and chapter information'. And your GUID. Huhuhuh." MS is bad news on privacy.

  42. Just some FYI's by MC68040 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This client has been out for quite some time already as a download.
    It is clearly separated not beeing a 'required' update on windows update just like it says in the article, but it's also mentioned as a "download" on windows update and not a "update".

  43. Re:85% of the country's desktops,... by rarkm · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In all the hullabaloo raised over declining media sales (by the music industry, may their toenails grow backwards), I haven't seen much discussion about demographics. The "boomer" generation (to which I belong) represented a big population blip in the retail music world, and we've pretty much stopped buying music. The 14-26 year age group of today is much smaller, and is fundamentally convinced that content should be free (or at least low cost). This trend will only intensify as they are alienated by the heavyhanded tactics of the Digital Rights crowd, and (worse) have to start paying for their own music with their own money, buy houses and cars, raise children and pay off student loans at the same time.

    In essence, the music industry has lost two generations of music consumers, and is trying to retrain a third (today's 0-12 year olds) to pay whatever they ask for increasingly banal content.

    But basically, the product sucks. In an attempt to capture the attention of the mass market, the industry has resorted to more and more outrageous marketing and content, with diminishing returns.

    Consumers now spend a huge portion of their disposable income on entertainment. Disposable income has nowhere to go but down, given long term economic trends, including globalization and escalating energy costs. So the long term prognosis for the entertainment industry is poor. Digital rights managment is akin to bailing out the ocean with a teacup.

    A few years ago, the nations phone companies were convinced that they were on the verge of becoming major players in the entertainment world because they controlled the phone lines and could deliver "content". Turns out they a) couldn't control communications technology b) didn't know beans about creating "content" and c) had a wildly exaggerated idea of how much time consumers were willing to spend sitting on the couch consuming phone company "movies on demand".

    So let the marketing geniuses have their fun. They aren't smarter than everyone else and in fact may not be smarter than anyone else.

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  44. You are all blind. by IgnorAnonymous · · Score: 2, Insightful


    I'm late, there are nearly 600 messages, I did not read them all, but if you all think this is just about listening to music, you're truly blind.
    Once anyone can a) see inside your computer, b) be "contacted by its software" (as we won't call it "phoning home" anymore), and c) can "reach out" and flip bits inside your computer ("but only for our own software, Mr. Customer, sir!")....do you think you'll avoid:
    • advertisements when your computer starts up, and shuts down?
    • monitoring? (of course, "only in cases deemed necessary due to force of law, or in cases where a business need can be proven")
    • active interference? (thou shalt not visit Unapproved Web Sites like this one or this one

    And there will be so much more...that even I cannot see. My dreams, though, of late are all dark and unnerving.
    This is about nothing less than control of information, which necessarily brings with it all lesser forms of control - mind control (yes, sigh, that's a "trigger phrase", but it's the best term I could use, I think), control of dissemination of information (like....news?), and control of point-to-point communication (email, chat, VoIP, etc).
    Believe me now or believe me later.

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    I wonder if anyone's even reading this? :-( I'm having a monday, for sure. News like this makes a sunny day cloudy. The slide down-slope continues. Stay tuned.