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Apple Releases Darwin 6.7, 6.8
PowerMacDaddy writes "In an ongoing effort to keep the FreeBSD core of OS X open source, Apple has updated Darwin to 6.7 and 6.8, which corresponds to the OS X 10.2.7 and 10.2.8 updates, respectively. Source code is available."
Is Darwin better than *BSD?
Karma: The shiznight, mostly because I am the Drizzle.
I don't want to start a holy war here, but I need to vent guys and here I hope I find sympathy! I HATE MAC'S
Today I spent the good part of five hours helping a friend at his freelance gig with a titanum powerbook while it attempts to copy a 17 Meg file from one folder on the hard drive to another folder. 5 hours. The amazing thing is at home, on my Pentium Pro 200 running NT 4, which by all standards should be a lot slower than this MAC, the same operation would take about 2 minutes. Now, I got the job to fix this as I'm the "Computer Guy" and can generally help friends and family with there computer problems. I have never seen such a tragedy as the titanum powerbook!
In addition, during this file transfer, Netscape will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even BBEdit Lite is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Macs, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen a Mac that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Macs' faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this TiBook at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Macintosh is a superior machine.
Mac addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use a Mac over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
I don't, I really don't, see how Apple can claim to be tops in design. Even my A600 was a dream to work on compared to this and it was pretty compact too!. Anyway Ive talked my friend into getting rid of his mac addiction, he will definately be buying a Dell next!
But, will your ethernet stop working if you use it?
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Perhaps they are trying to get the public to fix the 10.2.8 problems that led them to pulling the upgrade :)
The recent botched 10.2.8 updated included a kernel upgrade, from Darwin 6.6 to Darwin 6.8. So while the news here is that the kernel update is, apparently, available as an independent download, the question remains whether or not this kernel release had anything to do with the problems people are having with 10.2.8.
Obviously there have been questions about the updated ethernet drivers, but because so many things changed with the 10.2.8 release, and because the bug reports have been so varied, it's hard to know if the new kernel is buggy, and it's easy to suspect that the ethernet driver may not have been the only component at fault.
It's nice to see that Slashdot has picked up a story that MacSlash ran a day or two ago, but I for one am more interested in hearing about a fix for the damage that 10.2.8 brought with it for many people. When are we going to get a patch for that?
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Why is this newsworthy?
When IBM releases a new version of Domino, is there a posting on macslash?
It is HIGHLY probable that more of Us(tm) have to deal with things like Domino, or Oracle AS, or what-have-you, then some consumer level video editing program.
So what? Apple released, no wait, is GOING TO release a new version of Final Cut.
Did you hear that SUN is going to "ignite" the "Adrenaline Rush" in "Java Technology" based games? Well I hope you didn't hear it on slashdot.
What the fuck? since when are press releases newsworthy? Surely when they relate to the geek population. How many video editors do you know who read macslash? no, really. I know 0
I know 4 IT guys, 1 IT manager, and 2 programmers who read macslash. They don't give a DAMN about some piece of software that they'll never use.
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I've already checked out the source and updated to the new kernel and it seems to run fine (I wanted to apply the nosleep patch on the KisMac web page so that I can run it with the lid closed for short periods of time). Of course, I have an iBook, so I'm probably not affected by the ethernet problem screwing up some of the other models. I'm happy that nothing like Cisco VPN magically became broken in this release also.
Darwin 6.8 sequesters all available computing power and peripherals, sets fire to your house, kills you and you family, and on certain machines disables the ethernet port. Users in Soviet Russia, however, appear to be afflicted with amusing juxtapositions of the aforementioned flaws.
So, when they don't update it, it would become closed somehow? I don't get it.
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I've seen this so many times already. What a troll...
So now all of those wild-eyed grassroots Darwin users can rush out to download the source and compile. But seriously, in the rush to legitimize MacOSX to the GNU crowd, what happened to "stuff that matters"?
http://tinyurl.com/4ny52
Has anyone been following the source's development closely-eg: what updates beyond the security fixes were included in the kernel?
There had purportedly been a memory leak in 10.2.6 (corresponding to Darwin 6.6)-any confirmation of that or a possible fix in these lastest versions of Darwin?
JGG
I need to vent guys and here I hope I find sympathy! I HATE MACS
Today I spent the good part of five hours helping a friend with a titanum powerbook put an 802.11 card in, she bought an apple Airport one. The first amazing thing comes when it doesn't fit in the slot, but a quick call to the apple seller and they tell me it has to go INSIDE THE MACHINE. My friend had opted not to get them to install it as it was an extra $20 fee, so she took it home and I got the job as I'm the "Computer Guy" and can generally help friends and family with there computer problems. I have never seen such a tragedy of design as the TiBook!
First I had to take the entire thing apart. This, if you've been inside a laptop, is not an easy trivial task. It needs the battery and case to come off, the drive and optical drive to come out, and apples STUPID design inside them meant I had to file away some parts as they were put in without obviously meaning to be taken apart again. Now I know computers are throwaway things nowadays but that's ridiculous! We also had to use snips to cut some tiny pieces of shielding off to get to the right screws. I can see why they were charging so much to put the card in, she should have gone with that option! In the end finally I was able to lever up a part of the inside to push the airport card inside and click it in place. But that wasn't enough, an aerial cable then needed to be connected, and getting it out of its holder was another half hour of work where I had to pull the airport card out again!. Finally with it all back together it works. The inside I think is back where it should go. But, the back doesn't go back on how it should and I think it is a little bent.
I don't, I really don't, see how Apple can claim to be tops in design. Even my A600 was a dream to work on compared to this and it was pretty compact too! Why they couldn't put it in an easily accessed slot like normal PC notebooks I don't know. Anyway, I've talked my friend into getting rid of her Mac addiction, she will definitely be buying a Dell next!
I need to vent guys and here I hope I find sympathy! I HATE MAC'S
Today I spent the good part of five hours helping a friend with a titanum powerbook put an 802.11 card in, she bought an apple Airport one. The first amazing thing comes when it doesn't fit in the slot, but a quick call to the apple seller and they tell me it has to go INSIDE THE MACHINE. My friend had opted not to get them to install it as it was an extra $20 fee, so she took it home and I got the job as I'm the "Computer Guy" and can generally help friends and family with there computer problems. I have never seen such a tragedy of design as the TiBook!
First I had to take the entire thing apart. This if youve been inside a laptop is not an easy trivial task. It needs the batteryu and case to come off, the drive and optical drive to come out, and apples STUPID design inside them mean I had to file away some parts as they were put in without obviously meaning to be taken apart again. Now I know computers are throwaway things nowadays but that's rediculous? We also had to use snips to cut some tiny pieces of shielding off to get to the right screws. I can see why they were charging so much to put the card in, she should have gone with that option! In the end finally I was able to lever up a part of the inside to push the airport card inside and click it in place. But that wasn't enough, an aerial cable then needed to be connected, and getting it out of its holder was another half hour of work where I had to pull the airport card out again!. Finally with it all back together it works. The inside I think is back where it should go. the back doesn't go back on how it should either and I think is a little bent.
I don't, I really don't, see how Apple can claim to be tops in design. Even my A600 was a dream to work on compared to this and it was pretty compact too!. Why they couldn't put it in an easily accessed slot like normal PC notebooks I dont know. Anyway Ive talked my friend into getting rid of her mac addiction, she will definately be buying a Dell next
How much could she get for her Dell in a couple of years?
MMMMMMM CORN!
Hey, I thought it was funny. Chico, don't be discouraged. . .
They are right on schedule to pull 6.8 sometime tomorrow...
I tried installing it on a mac with a blank hard drive and the thing refused to install for me!!! Why do the macs have to cause these types of problems.
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FUCKING DUH!
This is veering off-topic but since you brought up Lookupd and the previous poster brought up NetInfo I thought I'd ask anyways. Has anyone else noticed lengthy delays when doing things like sshing or ftping to another host. The delays I'm seeing on all the OS X boxes I've used are anywhere from 4-8 seconds of unexplicable delay between issuing the command network access (checked with a sniffer on the receiving end). The same delay is also done in return when, for example, you ssh or ftp to an OS X box. The only explanation I can think of is that some unusual lookups are slowing things down. Can anyone else confirm this?
It is now official - Netcraft has confirmed: *BSD is dying
Yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered *BSD community when recently IDC confirmed that *BSD accounts for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all servers. Coming on the heels of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that *BSD has lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. *BSD is collapsing in complete disarray, as fittingly exemplified by failing dead last [samag.com] in the recent Sys Admin comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Kreskin to predict *BSD's future. The hand writing is on the wall: *BSD faces a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for *BSD because *BSD is dying. Things are looking very bad for *BSD. As many of us are already aware, *BSD continues to lose market share. Red ink flows like a river of blood. FreeBSD is the most endangered of them all, having lost 93% of its core developers.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
OpenBSD leader Theo states that there are 7000 users of OpenBSD. How many users of NetBSD are there? Let's see. The number of OpenBSD versus NetBSD posts on Usenet is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 NetBSD users. BSD/OS posts on Usenet are about half of the volume of NetBSD posts. Therefore there are about 700 users of BSD/OS. A recent article put FreeBSD at about 80 percent of the *BSD market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 FreeBSD users. This is consistent with the number of FreeBSD Usenet posts.
Due to the troubles of Walnut Creek, abysmal sales and so on, FreeBSD went out of business and was taken over by BSDI who sell another troubled OS. Now BSDI is also dead, its corpse turned over to yet another charnel house.
All major surveys show that *BSD has steadily declined in market share. *BSD is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If *BSD is to survive at all it will be among OS hobbyist dabblers. *BSD continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, *BSD is dying.
Fact: *BSD is dying
I'd like to segue from that into asking if anyone knows whether it's possible to set up the ssh daemon so I can remotely login to my box (that seems not an apt term for a notebook--perhaps "tray"?) keeping in mind I'm behind the DSL router. Is having a static IP important? I rarely reboot, so I imagine the IP would stay put until I do. This is an area with which I'm not familiar. Anyone have a FAQ which addresses the router problem?
Si la vida me da palo, yo la voy a soportar Si la vida me da palo, yo la voy a espabilar
DarwinPorts is TCL-based, just as Gentoo Portage is Python-based, so neither of these are really BSD Ports. For a real BSD Ports, the system must be based on Makefiles, not Portfiles or ebuilds.
The NetBSD Packages Collection "pkgsrc" claims it can run on Darwin because it is cross-platform. It is based on Makefiles. However, I don't know how well it works on Darwin.
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This story ran on MacSlash a day earlier. It also looks like the person who submitted this story plagiarized the submitter's blurb from MacSlash.
For shame, Pudge.
it seems that all that was royally messed up was that ethernet driver. most of the other problems seem to be the ones that always seem to crop up that don't make any sense ("i installed the update, and the left half of my monitor caught fire. i repaired permissions, rebooted, deleted safari's cache files, and the fire went out.")
Okay, I admit i am just way too cheap to upgrade. US$129 to upgrade to 10.2.x no thanks.
Is it possible to compile the latest darwin kernel and use it with 10.1.5?
I see bomb boxesIn Soviet Russia, Apple releases YOU! ;)