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European Moon Mission Ready for Launch

merryprankster writes "Europe's first mission to the Moon is set for blast off from Kourou in French Guiana just after midnight, local time, on Sunday. SMART 1 will study the composition of lunar rock through X-ray observations. The probe uses a new solar electric propulsion system which converts solar energy its panels into motion via the expulsion of ions. Details at the ESA mission site."

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  1. Yes, but... by CXI · · Score: 5, Informative

    I hate to burst everyone's bubble, but NASA used ion propulsion on the Deep Space 1 mission several years ago. Yes, cool technology but like most stuff it's been researched for years and used before.

  2. Re:Ion drive is cool, but... by leinhos · · Score: 2, Informative
    From the website:
    Its main purpose is to let engineers evaluate a new way of propelling spacecraft, on far-ranging space missions. Power from SMART-1's solar panels will drive an electric propulsion system called an 'ion engine'. The demonstration task is to overcome the Earth's gravity and put the spacecraft into orbit around the Moon.

    This appears to be a demonstration project, with the final application in extended range projects (where traditional chemical fuel rockets would have to carry too much fuel mass). Because it's constantly accellerating, this thing (in theory) could hit velocities not practical for chemical rockets.
  3. Re:Ion drive is cool, but... by roystgnr · · Score: 5, Informative

    And the payload isn't really greater at all.

    The payload in the Apollo program was launched from a Saturn V, which can put nearly 120,000 kg in low orbit and so had enough oomph to put it's payload immediately into a lunar trajectory. The payload for this mission will be launched from an Ariane V, which can only put ~16,000 kg in low orbit, but at (IIRC) a tenth the price.

    Hopefully they can perfect the ion drive, however through this to increase the speed and payload capacity.

    The drive itself is pretty near perfect; the problem is that if you're going to kick out exhaust at such insane velocity that you don't need a whole lot reaction mass to get good deltaV, then you need a whole lot of energy to get good deltaV instead. And these guys are getting that energy from solar panels, which takes a while. If we had that anti-matter reactor you want (or cold fusion, or anything else providing lots of energy from little mass) we might eventually want something fancy like VASIMR, but in the short run we'd probably just plug the reactor in to bigger or more ion drives.

  4. Re:Ion drive is cool, but... by MouseR · · Score: 5, Informative

    Sure the Ion drive is a really neat addition, but it's soooo slooooow. It's going to take them 15 MONTHS to get there!

    Actually, Ion propulsion is faster. It just has much less tork, if I may use the analogy.

    Unlike rocket propulsion, Ion propulsion has a constant push. Although is exerts a smaller force, it can accelerate for as long as there is fuel, and it uses very little of it.

    That's how they'll be able to send people on mars in a matter of months (last figures I had was 9 months) instead of more than a year (it was reported to be somewhere around 16-18 months using rocket propulsion).

    For a moon mission, though, speed isn't necessarily important, so they can afford the longer trip time to same money and augment the payload (instead of carrying all that fuel).

  5. They don't need RTG's because of solar proximity. by Jack_Frost · · Score: 3, Informative

    Solar panels work great when you're this far into the solar system. From Mars and beyond the solar intensity is much lower and solar panels would need to be prohibitively large and heavy to provide the same amount of power as a 45 pound radioisotope thermal generator.

  6. Re:Ion engine by rtv · · Score: 2, Informative
    The ion engine was invented at Hughes Research Labs Laboratories in California in 1961 funded by NASA. HRL continued to work on the engine into the 70's.

    Around the same time, HRL demonstrated the first laser. Busy people.

  7. Re:Ion drive is cool, but... by realdpk · · Score: 2, Informative

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Deep Space One use an ion engine as well, and it was deemed a success?

  8. Re:Take note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    The first one crashed, but most of the rest were successful.

  9. Re:ION engines not really valid for short missions by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 3, Informative

    You have to understand that there is more than one reason for using ion engines. Some include, reduced cost, reduced complexity, proving the improved technology really works and extending the mission life. The final one it important, since what usually ends a probe's mission is component failure or more often running out of fuel. As long as there is a star in our Solar system, then SMART 1's mission can last a good while. The only thing that could extend the mission even more is an xenon collector and an extended mission budget.

    --
    Jumpstart the tartan drive.
  10. Re:They could have saved a ton of money by.... by Pembers · · Score: 3, Informative

    From yesterday's article article about Smart 1 at the BBC:

    "We think we know what the Moon is made of because the Apollo astronauts went there and brought back half a tonne of rock samples. But they went to the Earth side, on the equator and on the flat bits," said Professor Manuel Grande, on the instrument team.

    "Those areas aren't typical and, importantly, they're not the ancient ones. What we need to do is a global survey of what the Moon is made of - and Smart 1 with our X-ray spectrometer will do that."

  11. Re:Ion drive is cool, but... by Smidge204 · · Score: 3, Informative

    "It takes longer to get any large loads going" -No, not really.

    Yes. Really. quoth the article: "Ion propulsion systems are less powerful than conventional chemical rockets..."

    Power = Energy/Time = Mass * dV^2 /dt

    If average power is less, velocity increases at a slower rate. Therefore, the probe will take longer to get to a specific destination than a conventional rocket. MUCH longer.

    It may be slightly more economical..." just slightly? considering that the available fuel is practically infinite with no fuel from earth being used (except for leaving earth)

    Again, quoth the article: "...but can run for ten times as long using the same mass of propellant."

    So even the ion drives have a finite amount of "fuel" which must be loaded before liftoff. So much for that.

    Combine these two, and you have an engine that is very poorly suited for transporting humans.

    It is, however, very well suited for probes and the like, since the engine is smaller and lighter than chemical booster. That can decrease cost of lift and size of craft by a good margin... and since most probes don't starve to death you can afford to take 15 months to get there.

    The moral of this story is, ion drives as they currently stand are not the end-all solution for space transportation. I agree it's well suited for this particular use, though.
    =Smidge=

  12. Re:Solar wind on panels vs ion engine thrusting po by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It has reachtion wheels and hydrazin thrusters (for unloading) to counter disturbances such as solar pressure.

    I worked within the project....

  13. The engine isn't new, it's the way it's used is by GileadGreene · · Score: 5, Informative
    The probe uses a new solar electric propulsion system which converts solar energy its panels into motion via the expulsion of ions.

    Solar electric propulsion is hardly new. It's been used for getting communications satellites out to their final geosynchronous orbits for a number of years now, and NASA demonstrated using solar-powered ion engines for interplanetary primary propulsion on Deep Space 1 back in '98.

    What ESA is claiming is new about this mission is that they'll be combining ion propulsion with gravity assist maneuvers. AFAIK that hasn't really been done yet (although I know some guys at JPL who're working on it), and given how difficult it can be to work out low-thrust trajectories in the first place I would imagine that successfully throwing gravity assists into the mix would be a significant acheivement.

  14. Re:The means of getting there is the best part by the_flatlander · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, this is not really _new_ JPL's Deep Space One, ran an ion drive for it's spectacularly successful, if completely ignored, mission several years ago. see: http://nmp.jpl.nasa.gov/ds1/gen/mission.html

  15. Re:The means of getting there is the best part by david.given · · Score: 2, Informative
    Excellent observation from you, this is a new cutting edge propulsion technique, I have been studying this for the last year, I ran across this site which hosts amateur experiments in this phenomena, the made a crude working anti-gravity device, so far there is no solid physical explanation to why it flies, some have theorized that it is ion wind, I was surprised that NASA patented this propulsion technique, I'm too lazy to dig up the link now.

    There's a perfectly solid explanation --- it is electric wind. You can hold your hand underneath one (assuming you're willing to risk being electrocuted by the insane voltages these things run off) and feel it. Space ion drives work just the same way, only they're much more energetic.

    They're a neat trick, though. Alas, the largest one I've seen reports of --- the Maximus II --- weighs 190g, can carry a payload of 60g, and needs a power supply that can deliver 300W to make it work. If I've done my sums right, that means that an average 1.5V AA cell could probably run one for about thirty seconds --- provided you could find a cell that would deliver the necessary current. And you'd have to fit all the cell plus the HT converter within that 60 grammes.

    Be a neat trick if you could make it work, though.

    The other problem is that they tend to accumulate charge. They work by positively ionising the air at the top, attracting it towards the negative electrode at the bottom, and then stripping off the charge as the air goes past the electrode. But you're not going to strip off all the charge, which means that your lifter is going to lose positive electrical charge (because charge is conserved). In other words, it'll become negatively charged... which means it's going to have a tougher job accelerating the air and staying aloft. In the lab this isn't a problem because they're connected to a grounded power supply with a wire, which keeps the amount of charge constant. A free-flying one is going to have problems, though.

    But if you could solve that, then some fun things are possible. Theoretically, of course, sunlight provides about one kilowatt per square metre. Modern solar cells are about 20% efficient. So your one square metre of solar cells will provide your 200W of energy... get your cells light enough, and you could build a lifter that would fly indefinitely in sunlight!

  16. All been done before by amightywind · · Score: 5, Informative

    What exactly is innovative about this mission? It is the same mission as flown by Clementine years ago. Solar electric propulsion is commonplace. Here are some spacecraft that have flow them to date:

    • Boeing HS-602 HP satellites
    • Boeing HS-702 satellites
    • NASA's Deep Space 1
    • NASA's Stardust Mission (thrusted continuously for over a year!)
    • Genesis (?)

    I don't think this story is slashdot worthy.

    --
    an ill wind that blows no good
  17. Re:Ion drive is cool, but... by david.given · · Score: 3, Informative
    Power = Energy/Time = Mass * dV^2 /dt

    If average power is less, velocity increases at a slower rate. Therefore, the probe will take longer to get to a specific destination than a conventional rocket. MUCH longer.

    You forgot about time. Your chemical engine accelerates your spacecraft at 10 m/s^2 for ten minutes, and then runs out of fuel and has to coast the rest of the way. Total delta-V: 6 km/s. Your ion drive accelerates at 0.1 m/s^2 for a year. Total delta-V: 50 km/s. At the end of the year, the ion drive vehicle is going a hell of a lot faster.

    And in case you think that a year of continuous thrust is infeasible, Deep Space I's ion drive ran (on and off) for about 600 days.

  18. Re:Why so nationalistic? by Bigfishbowl · · Score: 2, Informative
    To say that the ESA is the first to put ion propulsion in space is not at all true. Remember back when NASA launched the DS1 (Deep Space 1) probe? Some information on it's Ion Engine is available here here and many more here.

    Actually, Ion engines have been used in space since early 90's but primarly as station keeping thrusters for satilites. You are correct that competition is good for NASA, but at this very moment, the Air Force is funding the Ion Space Propulsion Lab where I am currently doing my PhD research.

  19. Ion propulsion is "new"?!?!?! by Dan93 · · Score: 2, Informative

    NASA used Ion propusion in their Deep Space 1 craft, and used it to take pictures of an asteroid, back in 1998. Maybe new for Europe, but it's been tried and tested already.