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Linux Kernel 2.6.0-test6 Released
lamont116 writes "The latest in the series of beta kernels was just released by the fine folks who have given us Linux. Enjoy!" The Changelog has a hefty 240K of miscellaneous changes... LWN has an overview of the updates.
Will this be put in the cooker?
Is there someone except me who is missing ataraid? Yes, i know those are crap etc. but i am using one with my Abit KT7A-Raid (HPT370). I guess it got lost somwhere in the 2.5 kernel tree, but it looks like noone feels responsible for that.
I mean 2.4 is not bad at all but i also want to test the new features / performance of the 2.6 kernel series.
BTW.: Is Someone with experiences in original Highpoint drivers in here? If, could you tell me sth. about performance and stability?
Yet another beta lacking the UMSDOS module rewrite... does anyone know when it will be finished, I can't even remember who maintains it.
I guess I'll have to stick with 2.4.23-pre5 for the time being - I don't really feel like hacking away trying to repartition my 8 Gb HD... buying a new one would be a good idea though... *adds to TODO*
I was thinking about this very thing a few days ago, the fact that Microsoft has basically provided a free gift to the alternative OS camps.
Think about it. They've continually pushed back the release date of Longhorn, at least three times now, to my recollection. The screenshots they have leaked out, whether they are true or not haven't produced any vote of confidence from the various geeks I've seen comment about it online.
I'm neither defending Microsoft or trying to put them down, but the fact remains that their competition has been given a lot of breathing room, which I think if used wisely, will show some very large rewards by the time Longhorn comes out in full force.
One more thing. Let's assume for a moment that Longhorn starts selling on January 1st, 2005. We're being really optimistic, but for the sake of argument, I'll pick this date. Now... in typical Microsoft fashion, and from the history of the IT world, it won't be for at least 6 months before it even makes a significant market shift.
Who will upgrade to an OS that curtails choices in the file system? Who will spend the money on an OS that hasn't proven itself yet? I'm not talking about Windows itself, but the new Longhorn. The Windows line of products has had varied levels of success, not just due to marketing guidance, but because it has solved some issues for joe user.
As for Longhorn, the "early adopters" might give it a try, but it will still take quite some time before the mass market checks it out. I predict it will be at least 6 months time before Longhorn starts to make any real significant headway in the market.
So, given that I'm being optimistic with a date of January 1st, 2005, I really believe that the alternative OS's will have at least two full years before being in any danger from the MS Marketing Machine.
Just my two cents.
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If I had to bet a dollar I'd bet that MS will fork the "golden build" in early Spring 2005, it'll go gold in Summer, and it'll be generally avaiable in Sept 2005.
I worked there during the whole "Whistler" cycle -- I got a feel for the cycle.
When will we ever see LVM-support out-of-the-box in the default kernel ?
They're fast to adress common problems of today, like SMP, hence they don't seem to find the use for LVM that UN*X's did 10 years ago...
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I've just switched from -test5 to -test6, and the difference is remarkable.
Xmms doesn't skip, Mozilla doesn't snag, even during a kernel compile and SETI@Home running in the background.
Looks like Con Kolivas's interactivity patches are definitely something.
Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
Um, yeah, see... I don't doubt that's exactly what's going through the minds of the kernel developers. /Hopefully/ before the official /stable/ release, a major facet of Unix filesystems will be working again. If not, well, nobody would dare criticize the Holy Linux Empire.
This is why the wise man continued to use 2.2 while the "stable" 2.4 was corrupting IDE partitions, until 2.4.2x finally calmed things down. This is why the wise man will continue to use 2.4.2x until 2.6.2x gets all of the killer bugs out -- the ones that should have gotten out before a "stable" release was even rolled.
Don't mind me, this is just my regularly scheduled rant about the spectacularly shitty quality of "get it out the door fast" software, OSS included. Flame on, my reading threshold is set to hard-ignore ACs.
You cannot apply a technological solution to a sociological problem. (Edwards' Law)
The problem with that logic is, I don't have enough time to look into the matter. So, I fire an email off to a group of people, they read it, and say, "have you STFW?", "have you STFA?", and a number of other things, that no, I did not do, because I did not have the time nor the desire to. So, in short, "just report the issue" is a pretty poor response.
"So, given that I'm being optimistic with a date of January 1st, 2005, I really believe that the alternative OS's will have at least two full years before being in any danger from the MS Marketing Machine."
The issue is equally much how strongly Microsoft can get Longhorn onto newly-bought boxes. That's always been where they used their monopoly and marketing sway.
Also, the marketing machine goes into effect LONG before they have any products. Just look at the way Intel got everyone to benchmark the new Athlon64 against the P4 Extreme, even though that won't be out for over a month, then began leaking crap about some new God chip they'll have next year, even though it's total crap.
Marketing and production are unrelated creatures.
Of course it might also turn the other way. Oops you bought the Amd64 cause it was better then the P4 you had. And now it just weeks later Intel got a chip out that performs better for YOUR use but you ain't got the money to do anoter upgrade.
Sure marketing is evil. On the other hand we need it to tell us what A is available and B is going to be available if we got a little bit of patience.
Personally my situation is that I am totally hooked on the power of dual PC's so neither one looks very intresting to me. So I am just waiting for either the opteron to mature a little (read come down to my price level)
Morale we hate marketing but who else is going to tell us of the great new gadgets.
MMO Quests are like orgasms:
You may solo them, I prefer them in a group.
There's no real sense to make 10 years plans, when you have no idea what hardware will be available then, what will people need, what do they require. Most of GNU software follows the evolution system. Submit a "bug" to Mozilla, submit a patch, get it revieved and it will be included only if people won't decide it's generally a Bad Idea and ditch it. Similar with kernel - think of a wise feature, create a module, submit it, and maybe in a month after you first thought of it, people will be downloading it from ftp.kernel.org - if your idea was really good. Nobody knows the future and there are no specific plans... except to make things better - more stable, more compilant, more effective, more whatever... Maybe in 20 years ix86 will be completely abandonned and Linux mainstream will move to some new hardware (quantum computers?), maybe in 10 years Linux will become the leading platform in graphics and Kernel will require better gfx handling procedures, maybe someone gets enough balls and brains to integrate X with Kernel in some intelligent way. And maybe Linux will get forgotten, like nowadays VAXen are, replaced by something better? Maybe Microsoft will abandon its old kernels and build its new OS on top of Linux kernel? Nobody knows. What we know is, that as long as at least one nerd on this planet breathes, Linux will be developed and made better :)
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However, this gives the rest of the world more time to improve their competing products, which may end up not being in Microsoft's favor given the rapid pace of development outside of Redmond's closed walls.
Does this mean that Open Source projects could eventually have to send a thank you card to Microsoft?
perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5, (41*2), sqrt(7056), (unpack(c,H)-2), oct(115), 10)'
The one thing desktop users will notice is that 2.6 makes for a noticeably snappier, more responsive desktop.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from a rigged demo
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Oh, for fuck's sake.
.NET!!" Fucking morons, every one.
Every Windows release has been grossly overhyped and called "revolutionary." Before WinXP came out, I heard people saying the same goddamn thing: "WinXP will be as big a change as Win95 was from 3.1!" It wasn't. It simply wasn't a major improvement or change from currently existing software.
I don't blame Microsoft for this. All successful companies overhype their products; look what happened to OS/2 when IBM basically sat on it.
I don't see any point in being polite here. You're swallowing the entire load. You're a fucking cockchoker, just as bad as the "l00nix!!! penguin power" fucknuts and the frothing Apple zealots.
OS zealotry is refusing to see limitations. Linux zealots say "WITH WINEX YOU CAN NOW ALMOST PLAY MORROWWIND AND IT ONLY CRASHES EVERY 2 MINUTES!!!" Apple zealots say "OS X IS UNIX BASED AND THE MOST POWERFUL OS EVER AND THE G5 IS THE FASTEST COMPUTER EVER AND STEVE JOBS IS HUNG LIKE A HORSE!!!" And Microsoft zealots say "THE NEW WINDOWS RELEASE WILL IMPROVE EVERYONE'S LIFE AND CURE CANCER!!! JUST LIKE