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NYT on RFID

The New York Times has a piece on RFID tags. It's basic, but worth reading as a milestone - the technology is starting to enter the public eye. These RFID tags will have unique serial numbers - every RFID-tagged item you purchase will be uniquely different from every other nearly-identical item, enabling it to be identified and associated with you long after the purchase. And no, microwaving will generally not destroy the tags, and no, most items won't be microwaveable anyway. Try to microwave your couch.

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  1. Mark of the Beast, U.N. Black Helicopters etc. by mrshowtime · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Ha! I laughed at my buddy a few years back when he said that the U.N. could fly over your house and scan it to see how much money is in it. Now that is a reality. The RFID tags would be useful for inventory purposes, but the privacy thing is hard to shake. Who says that "advanced" criminals in the future won't develop a "super RFID scanner" and scan all of the houses in a neighborhood and "see" what goodies are in each house to try to figure out which house to rob. OR the government can use it to see which house is guilty of thought crime! :)

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  2. Re:Power Source by L-s-L69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    RFID tags do not have an in built power supply, they are supplied with power by the scanner. IE scanner sends out pulse, tag responds. I know this is a bit simplistic but I hope it helps.

  3. Bank notes by Cyuonut · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...embedded in bank notes to foil money launderers and counterfeiters.

    Would microwaving (whatsoever) the tag in a bank note render the note unusable? Will shops also have machines for automatically alerting the local police if I try paying with one of the forged ones?

    What if I, without knowing it, carry such a note?

    Guantanamo calls.

  4. Re:Boycott RFID products by Zocalo · · Score: 1, Insightful
    I doubt it'll go that quite way. Given the EU's track record I suspect we'll just have some legislation to the effect that the RFID has to be on a tear off strip or tag in the same way that labels are attached to clothing. Hell, the damn things are small enough that you could embed the things in those little sticky price labels if you were so inclined.

    Personally I'm looking forward to the day I can just wheel my trolley through a scanner and have a bill printed out automatically in front of the teller seconds later. They always look so damn disapproving as they swipe the obscene quantities of alcohol and convenience foods through the damn till, like my diet is any of *their* concern. ;)

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  5. Double charging... by weave · · Score: 1, Insightful

    OK, how do I stop from getting double charged for items? Like, I buy some books from Borders, then a week later walk into the same store with one or two of those books in my backpack? Or I buy a pack of smokes in one store, then walk into another one with that pack still in my pocket? Or buy some socks from BJs one week, then next week when I go there I'm wearing them.

    1. Re:Double charging... by albin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, this is the exact type of use RFIDs are good for. Borders knows you bought that last week because the object is unique and is registered as sold in their database. And if the consumer protection groups are able to do what I think they will try to do, you will have elected to turn the RFID off at the point of purchase and they will have done so, for fear of you detecting it with your homemade RFID detector and suing them for invasion of privacy.

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  6. Re:Article - no reg. by Alain+Williams · · Score: 3, Insightful

    • Privacy advocates have suggested, among other things, that the tags be designed so that they cannot be reactivated once they are turned off, that all goods with a tag carry a consumer warning and that the tag must be removed when a product is sold unless the buyer agrees to leave it on.

    Either:

    1. We will remove it for you sir, but that will cost you 50c.
      How many will choose to leave it on.
    2. Why do you want to remove it sir, what have you got to hide ?
      And if you have something to hide, then that is just the excuse that the police/... need to come sniffing.

    Either way, the pressures will be such that most people won't bother/want to have them removed.

  7. Re:Who cares? by dollar70 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    For some reason I'm always a little dissappointed whenever I see people list the reasons why I should be concerned. They usually point out the "dirty magazine collection" or something else dealing with those "embarassing" issues. Quite frankly, this isn't something to be worried about so long as you haven't been doing anything wrong.

    But what is worrying is when information about you is used in ways to control your behaviour. For instance, if you are thinking about quitting smoking and purchase the patches to help with the cravings. Those interested will track your movements along with the movements of other "quitters" to place smoking triggers along your path to make it that much hard for you to shake the habit.

    Perhaps you're a person who has bought a lottery ticket or two. Suddenly you're flooded with all kinds of gambling offers. Sure, you can say no to their offers, but what will others think when they see you getting that barage of junk mail to visit all those cassinos? What will your boss think when they start sending those offers to your office?

    Most of us live lives of moderation. We like to take in occasional vices, but we mostly try to keep things pretty mundane. But this isn't allowed in the corperate world. They have to seek out potentially new exploits to justify getting an MBA. Any information that they can get will allow them to find a wedge between you and your better judgement.

    I know, I know... You're too smart for their tactics. You're in control of your own destiny. It doesn't bother you when they mercilessly pick away at you. You're just content to sit back in your recliner watching "Matlock" re-runs on cable.

    The sad part is, people don't see any value in privacy, because they don't realize the benefits it allows. Being anonymous allows you to have your turn next in line, and receive the same amount of respect as a person who is twice as affluent as your are. Once your personal worth is on the table with everyone else's, your value in society has just been broadcasted, and you will wait until those more worthy have been served no matter how long you've been waiting. You may never be served at that rate...

    Oh, but you'll just head on to their competitors, right? Think again. They bought the same list. They also know that you'll be more desperate than before since they knew where you were coming from... Now they can really ream your wallet *IF* they decide you're worth having as a customer.

    Privacy also allows you to be forgiven for your past mistakes more easily. Who hasn't made a mistake or exercised poor judgement when they were more youthful? It's the foundation of experience, but if your subordinates know every detail, they aren't as likely to be as subordinate. How can you credibly jump on them for making the same mistakes you used to?

    Privacy has a very real value for people in society. It's not just about dirty magazines or illicite affairs. It's about not having to worry what the score is every moment of your life. It about not having to be publicly humiliated at unexpected moments. It's about maintaining person dignity and self-respect.

    If you don't have any respect for yourself to keep private things private, how can you expect anyone else to respect you as well?

  8. Re:Article - no reg. by Tal+Cohen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    New moderation reason needed on Slashdot: "-1: Copyright violation".

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  9. Re:RFIDs hidden in new cars. US federal initiative by Ceadda · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Part 1, in my driveway. Not possible, car sits in locked, windowless garage at all time, with alarm on door. Garage is part of inner house structure. Car does not leave for work as work is within walking distance. Part 3, toll booths. Dont have any, never seen one, ever. Part 4. If they're bored enough to set up tracking units on dirt roads, make it look perfectly like a healthy growing tree or passing deer, as they'd have to as there is NOTHING ELSE HERE. Then they can have the car id. Your still an idiot.

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  10. Re:Microwave the couch by hagardtroll · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You know, RFID tags are a lot like cookies. When they were designed, the intent was to help a web site maintain state. A security mechanism was built in to prevent a web site from getting someone else cookie. Courtesy of doubleclick.net and others, now they are used to track marketing and web site visits and clearly violate my privacy. Yet, I cannot browse the web without them because of how sites are designed to use them. This means that I have to periodically clean out cookies that are unwanted and violate my privacy. It seems that RFID tags are going to be the real world equivalent.

  11. Re:Big Brother by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 2, Insightful
    No, but it might be wise to keep a bill of sale if you sell your sofa later on to someone. If that person ends up dumping the couch in a ditch somewhere, and the cops can look up the RFID in the master credit/debit card database and get your name, you might need the bill of sale saying that Joe College Kid bought it from you, to prove that the cost of it's removal shouldn't be billed to you.

    At least you won't have to register your couch with the DMV. You can always withdraw/use cash to remain anonymous, unless of course, the furniture store insists on photo ID for their records so they won't be liable for the couch's legal internment in a landfill later on.

    When public toilets at the mall start offering me TUMS from the Rite-Aid next door when I leave ther remainder of my Taco Bell burrito in the bowl, then I'll know RFIDs have gone too far.

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  12. My Couch? by telstar · · Score: 2, Insightful
    "Try to microwave your couch."
    • Chances are if they're close enough to pick up the signal from the couch, they're already in my apartment, and can get a lot more information about me than which Sears I shop at.
  13. Re:Who cares? by Esterhaus_48 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...this isn't something to be worried about so long as you haven't been doing anything wrong.

    I really wish people wouldn't use this argument for anything. You see, "wrong" is subjective. And unfortunately, in many governments of the world today, that which is wrong is determined by those with money and influence over legislators.

    Today I'm doing nothing wrong by owning the book "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy", but if those in power deem that to be wrong tomorrow, I'd better find a way to keep that from their attention.

    We must fight RFID's by refusing to purchase products that employ them. And as for companies that use them, even in business practice to label pallettes, we must boycott their products and services.