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Australian IT Minister Alston Replaced

srouvray writes "The Australian is reporting: In a re-shuffle of the Australian Federal Cabinet, current Communications Minister Richard Alston will be replaced (Alston is going to retire) with Attorney General Darryl Williams. Alston is 'credited' for introducing tough anti-spam laws into parliament... Although it will be interesting to see if Williams will be branded a 'Luddite' as well!"

122 comments

  1. hallelujah by Unominous+Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let's not forget that this is the minister who said that broadband was only for games and porn.

    I for one welcome his replacement.

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    1. Re:hallelujah by beredon · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Not to mention rolling out broadband across the country a "costly waste of time".

      I'm glad he's finally gone, but the new guy doesn't seem to be much better.

    2. Re:hallelujah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you mean there is *another* use?!?

    3. Re:hallelujah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i need broadband for downloading Linux ISOs...

      http://www.linuxiso.org/

    4. Re:hallelujah by alien_blueprint · · Score: 3, Funny

      And *I*, for one, welcome our *new* luddite overlord! :)

      Yeah, it's lame, but I'm so happy right now, I just don't care. I didn't think anything could better the news of Doctor Who returning, but here it is!

  2. Actually by The+Tyro · · Score: 3, Funny

    It sounds to me like he's got his finger on the pulse of the geek community (or at least the /. community).

    I, for one, give him +1 insightful.

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    1. Re:Actually by radish · · Score: 1

      True, but he was making out like that was a bad thing.

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  3. Aussies don't need spam... by switched4OSX · · Score: 2, Funny

    their penises are already big enough (or so I'm told)

    1. Re:Aussies don't need spam... by marine_recon · · Score: 2, Informative

      and you would know right? actually they used the products so much that all the people who sent spam to them were able to retire to flordia. hence, no more spam!

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    2. Re:Aussies don't need spam... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm willing to bet an Aussie told you this...

      Actually it's the Abo's who have the big ones, or so the Aussie sheilas say...

  4. Notable Achievements of Alston's by lks_aus · · Score: 5, Interesting
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    1. Re:Notable Achievements of Alston's by goonerw · · Score: 5, Informative

      You may want to fix up your links so that they refer to Whirlpool.net.au rather than the non-existant coldfusion pages on Slashdot.

      Decreeing that consumers should be kept in the dark about their phone line = http://www.whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm?id=765

      Allowing his department to spend $4,000,000 on a small and poorly developed website = http://www.whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm?id=1107

      Linking the takeup of broadband to pornography =
      http://www.whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm?id=956

      Initially dismissing broadband as a gaming platform = http://www.whirlpool.net.au/article.cfm?id=566

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    2. Re:Notable Achievements of Alston's by alien_blueprint · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Now, let's not forget the acceptance of kickbacks from Telstra in the form of a $10,000AU plasma television.

    3. Re:Notable Achievements of Alston's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His commentary like that wasn't just a simple case of sometimes not giving the public what they want (hey, we all would like 10mbit net connections direct to our homes, and for $5 a mont) but that he was always willing to settle for the least.

      From interviews with him it seemed his general opinion of the internet and communications were that nobody needs any more than a landline supporting a 9600bps modem, and whoever is pushing for more is probably into organised crime and suspicions must be raised as to their intentions.

      He's a moron. If he managed something right with his anti-spam policies, then it's an accident.

    4. Re:Notable Achievements of Alston's by AdamTheBastard · · Score: 1

      But when I connect at 28.8k though my pair gains phone line it takes me hours to download porn, surly this is a good thing? Of course I shouldn't be able to play computer games online, I might not go and look at their $4million (AUD) website with more errors then his recent anti-spam bill. I belive that greater then 600 milisecond pings are a good way to combat that, after all I can load his page in only one minute.

    5. Re:Notable Achievements of Alston's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apologise to Simon now for slashdotting his server!!!

    6. Re:Notable Achievements of Alston's by Disevidence · · Score: 1

      How about you give your source for those handy links, as you copied them verbatim from the news post at Whirlpool.net.au.

      Please mod down the parent. He blatantly copied off Simon Wright.

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    7. Re:Notable Achievements of Alston's by Sajarak · · Score: 1

      You're forgetting the Broadcasting Services Amendment (Online Services) Act 1999

      I can't believe that this was taken so seriously by so many people because it is so futile. Basically, the law stipulates that freely serving any content of a nature that would prevent it from being shown on free-to-air TV cannot be hosted in Australia. As anyone who has used the internet for more than a few minutes would know, it doesn't matter where in the world the server you're connecting to is located so this has had absolutely no effect whatsoever in making it harder for Australians to access stuff that their government doesn't think they should see.

      Unless, of course, you were to argue that the law wasn't passed with the intention of it being useful for anything other than buttering up the conservative Tasmanian Senator Brian Harradine, whose vote the government needed at the time in order to pass a law allowing them to sell off more of Telstra, in which case it was very effective... but who would be that cynical?

    8. Re:Notable Achievements of Alston's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      ... but who would be that cynical?

      Certainly noone in federal politics, least of all on the Conservative side. They act, without exception, only out of the noblest motives.

  5. His replacement doesn't seem to be exciting... by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    ...but does seem to be (or should I say can hardly help but be?) an improvement. Even if we must work slowly and carefully, at least we can work with him with a reasonable expectation of being taken seriously.

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  6. Hoo-fucking-ray by The+Fanta+Menace · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At last, the cretin has gone. And despite the media claiming he left of his own accord, everyone in politics knows that he was pushed, due to his own ineptitude.

    Of course, Williams is just as much of a wanker, and probably won't fix anything.

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    1. Re:Hoo-fucking-ray by austwireless · · Score: 1

      His replacement, who was recently awarded the Australian Privacy Foundation's Australian Big Brother Award for Lifetime Menace to Privacy, is currently in Geneva attending a series of meetings. However, a statement released by his office said he was "pleased to have been Attorney-General for the last seven and a half years, and was looking forward to the challenge of a new portfolio". --- Another 7 poor years?

    2. Re:Hoo-fucking-ray by TekPolitik · · Score: 2, Informative
      despite the media claiming he left of his own accord, everyone in politics knows that he was pushed, due to his own ineptitude.

      Not true. Check his bio. He's 61 now. It's not surprising he didn't want to stay in Parliament much longer. Australian politicians (unlike their American counterparts) tend to retire close to the community retirement age, if not earlier.

      Often a retiring politician will find outside employment in areas such as public speaking, non-executive board membership, diplomacy, or in the case of Alston he may want to return to the Bar.

    3. Re:Hoo-fucking-ray by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Of course, Williams is just as much of a wanker, and probably won't fix anything.

      It's hard to imagine any successor being much stupider than Alston. Unless they replace with George W. Bush.

  7. Wishlist by fastdecade · · Score: 3, Insightful

    * Stop the Telstra Bulldozer in it's tracks -- support broadband. Canada proves it's possible in a big country
    * Sensible censorship
    * Sensible copyright
    * Serious commitment to anti-spam
    * Keep investing and committing to open source

    Alston's policies have left Australia as an international IT joke. So much local telent, and so many opportunities in the Asian and global markets have gone to waste. More importantly, every Australian business and consumer has suffered from the 1950s attitudes of the present Aussie govt. Step into the 80s guys, the economy is not all agriculture and textiles!

    1. Re:Wishlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > So much local telent,

      Wrong. There's a reason why Linux has next to no presence in australia, although it does have some following at least.

      >More importantly, every Australian business and consumer has suffered from the 1950s attitudes of the present Aussie govt.

      Yeah, that's why the Australian economy holds up well while the rest of the world celebrates half-percent growth you retard.

    2. Re:Wishlist by aastanna · · Score: 2, Insightful
      support broadband. Canada proves it's possible in a big country
      I don't really know about the situation in Australia, but in Canada we have lots of dark fibre stemming from the dot-com bust. It was put in by companies that have since gone bust, and passed around...I worked at sprint for a while and they have lots. I wouldn't want to see that type of thing funded by a government.
    3. Re:Wishlist by Wild+Wizard · · Score: 1

      > So much local talent
      Wrong. There's a reason why Linux has next to no presence in australia, although it does have some following at least.

      done a whois on samba.org recently?
      Game development company? www.auran.com

    4. Re:Wishlist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So much local telent

      You're a Kiwi, aren't you?

  8. I am an OTA (Other-Than-Australian).. by Agent+R · · Score: 1

    .. you insensitive clod!

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    1. Re:I am an OTA (Other-Than-Australian).. by UberDork · · Score: 1

      I offer you my condolences. There is no place on the planet to live like Australia.

      No other country can boast the total ineptitude of the current federal government that we can.

      Of course, if you believe in education for the rich only, healthcare if you can afford it, maintainting the technological and social state of the 1960's, international politics that ignore your neighbours... then you will probably disagree...

    2. Re:I am an OTA (Other-Than-Australian).. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No other country can boast the total ineptitude of the current federal government that we can.

      Sorry mate, I think the Yanks are beating us even on that score.

      On the other hand we still do have the world record for people gunned down by a lone crazed gunman ...

  9. Be thankful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    After all, the job could of been given to Amanda Vanstone ;)

    1. Re:Be thankful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Who?

      For those of you who are off-shore, Amanda is a happy-go-lucky ignoramus who has not got a single clue about any of the ministries we have had the misfortune of her heading up.

      Of course - I believe in fairness and equality, so my opinions are somewhat 'lefty'... 8-)

    2. Re:Be thankful by bcg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would have gladly laid down the Australian IT industry as a sacrifice rather than see her back in immigration.

    3. Re:Be thankful by BrokenHalo · · Score: 1
      Amanda is a happy-go-lucky ignoramus who has not got a single clue about any of the ministries we have had the misfortune of her heading up

      That is probably the most charitable description of her that I would come up with.

      The present Cabinet might be best characterised as a bunch of malicious headkickers, and Vanstone is no exception. She is several stages more cretinous than her cronies, though.

    4. Re:Be thankful by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      She is several stages more cretinous than her cronies, though.

      Nonesense! She is evil, I'll grant you that (but then again that seems to be a pre-requisite for membership in Cabinet). Don't however, underestimate here intelligence. In private life she is a QC and an outstanding jurist.

  10. Do the Disaster Shuffle baby! by ewe2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Alston was a communications disaster, presiding over failed Telstra rollouts/privatizations, 3G rollouts, HDTV rollouts; if it rolled, he screwed it up.

    OTOH, Williams has possibly been the worst Attorney-General in living memory, and he's being replaced by the most embarrassing Immigration Minister of all time so he can replace Alston! This I gotta see.

    Yup, it's the good ol' Disaster Shuffle. Take yer partners for a foot-stomping good time :)

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  11. You Beauty! by nathanh · · Score: 1

    I literally cheered when I read the /. headline. Alston is a drongo and we're happy to see the back of him.

    1. Re:You Beauty! by switched4OSX · · Score: 1

      What is a drongo? quick google shows an australian black bird with a forked tail or an orienteering club for ex-cambridge students. would be interesting to know the slang meaning.

    2. Re:You Beauty! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:You Beauty! by DjReagan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Its taken from the name of the bird. Its generally used in Australia as an insult, roughly translating to idiot and/or fool.
      See also, "Gala"

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    4. Re:You Beauty! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What is a drongo?

      When I was in school when we had swimming I used to go into a cubicle to change. I was always being bullied by what the Americans call "jocks". (We were all jocks being in Scotland). This boy clibmed to the top of the cubicle and looked down on me singing," Percy Pongo hides his drongo!"

      He then went on to insist that I must be gay for years after.

      The doctor gives me pills.

    5. Re:You Beauty! by gfim · · Score: 1

      Drongo was a horse that consistently ran last (many years ago). Sounds like a fair description of Alston!

      Graham

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  12. First naming as "World's Biggest Luddite" by alien_blueprint · · Score: 3, Informative

    I just submitted this most excellent news item to /., but spent so much time digging up links to his inglorious past that someone beat me to it.

    However, I found the original Register article that named Alston as "The World's Biggest Luddite".

  13. Slashdotted twice in a week by bcg · · Score: 1

    As mentioned in the article, it was only a few days ago that he was reported here as being a "pin-up" boy for anti-spam. Perhaps this was a final good deed to make up for his many earlier sins? Or was it so that the new luddite-in-chief wasn't instantly lynched?

  14. An appropriate tribute... by Goonie · · Score: 2, Funny

    I hereby propose a new award be named in honor of the retiring Alston - "The Richard Alston Trophy for the most boneheaded government IT policy decision". Any suggestions for the trophy design?

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    1. Re:An appropriate tribute... by AdamTheBastard · · Score: 1
    2. Re:An appropriate tribute... by darnok · · Score: 1

      > Any suggestions for the trophy design?

      A picture of a bum with a fist coming out of it?

      (Apologies to the "Late Show" interviewee who first suggested this as an appropriate Australian flag design - can't get the image out of my head)

    3. Re:An appropriate tribute... by thirdofnine · · Score: 1

      How about a penis with eyes, cause he is a dick head. Third of Nine

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    4. Re:An appropriate tribute... by sharkey · · Score: 1
      A picture of a bum with a fist coming out of it?

      Time to run the goatse guy through the Gimp.

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    5. Re:An appropriate tribute... by Mjec · · Score: 1

      Any suggestions for the trophy design?

      Does it come with a $1.2M commission?

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  15. Actually, he got _one_ right by leonbrooks · · Score: 2, Insightful
    He was objecting to the government paying for a country-wide broadband rollout.

    I personally would greatly enjoy 100 megabits to my door, which could be done quite easily for most towns of about 5,000 or more and would obsolete wired telephones on the day, but while I've seen far worse abuses of it, I think spending tax money is not the way to do this.

    I say "most" because towns like Wyndham are kind of difficult to get the bandwidth to, and quite a few West Aussie towns are difficult to wire for anything because the ground is too hard (Albany) or too salty (Lancelin).

    I also fear what would happen with 100Mb door-to-door when the next CodeRed/Nimda/MSBlast goes off. Someone could suck out your entire hard drive in a few minutes. Perhaps in 5 years when hardly anyone's using MS-Windows any more?

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    1. Re:Actually, he got _one_ right by alien_blueprint · · Score: 1

      It wasn't the fact that he didn't want the goverment to pay for it, but the fact that he said that broadband was only used for gambling and porn that made him the subject of international mockery.

    2. Re:Actually, he got _one_ right by fireman+sam · · Score: 1

      Quoth: "I say "most" because towns like Wyndham are kind of difficult to get the bandwidth to..."

      I live about 20 Km from the Sydney CBD (as the crow flies) and I can see the exchange from my window. But because of Tesltra's pair gain system (aka rim job) I cannot get Broadband. Telstra was prepared to go as low as $80 per month for ISDN capped at 500MB. How nice of them.

      So it is not just the towns in the bush that cannot get broadband. It is also a lot of suburbs that were built after 1996 as that is the time that Telstra started rimming their customers.

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    3. Re:Actually, he got _one_ right by Disevidence · · Score: 1

      No he didn't get anything right. He made wild random guesses and assumptions, and every now and then one turned out ok. The man was dilbert-like incompetent. Or even worse.

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  16. We don't ignore our neighbours! by leonbrooks · · Score: 2, Insightful
    We give the greedier ones copies of The Bush Tucker Book and invite them to exercise with us on our soil, which they consider to be (and name it thus on their maps) theirs.

    Er... oh, you meant the Kiwis...? (-:

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  17. Communications AND the arts by used_rugs · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Don't forget about the arts. Alston was more than a luddite.. he was also a cultural retard.

    As an Australian, I am thoroughly embarrased. I'm sure Americans and Britons who don't agree with their elected leaders and associated parties can sympathise.

  18. No, you galah! by leonbrooks · · Score: 1

    "Gala" is as in festival. "Galah" is the pink-and-grey avian clown.

    Alston would be more of a chook - clueless and not particularly pretty. (-:

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    1. Re:No, you galah! by DjReagan · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, I have a cold.

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  19. A chance for change? by hate_this_nick · · Score: 1

    While I am glad to see he has finally gone I'm not sure what real effect it will have. Alston was by far the worst ever Alston communications minister Australia has ever had but his party did not seem to care. As long as they can sell Telstra off they will remain happy. Assuming that the lib's do lose the next election it would take the new government some years to fix the damage caused by Alston.

  20. Dear Mr. Alston... by bushboy · · Score: 1

    Dear Mr. Alston,

    I head up a medium sized Web Development company that specialises in Govermental website makeovers.

    Attached, please find quotation for website that includes :-

    * 45 Graphics
    * 73 Scans
    * A search function
    * 144 html pages
    * 666 animated gifs
    * Hyperlinks
    * A site map
    * Lots of Pornography & Games to make use of that Broadband we all love !

    I hope you'll agree that the $1,000,000 development costs are very reasonable for such advanced technology.

    We can also offer you a RedHat Linux server at a paltry $500,000

    Your sincerly,

    Mr. Alstons Back Pocket.

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    1. Re:Dear Mr. Alston... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your bid was about $3,000,000 too low.

  21. Not a good thing. by Marlor · · Score: 5, Informative
    Oh dear. This is bad news.

    The worst thing you could say about Richard Alston is that he is an incompetent luddite.

    Darryl Williams is much worse. He is cunning and intelligent, but with some truly awful political views.

    He is well-known for:

    trying to destroy the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission

    Being the force behind Australia's equivalent of the Patriot Act

    Refusing to defend a homosexual judge, despite being bound by his position as Attorney General to act as an advocate and protector for the judiciary

    Refusing to accept UN reports on racism in Australia

    Lobbying for increased intellectual property rights

    Lobbying for laws allowing Australia's spy agency, ASIO, to read domestic emails

    Supporting the increase in the rate of phone tapping

    And generally trampling on human rights and civil liberties wherever possible.

    This is definately not good news.

    1. Re:Not a good thing. by used_rugs · · Score: 1

      Thanks for posting .. I don't know much about Williams.

    2. Re:Not a good thing. by Disevidence · · Score: 1

      So the economic and technology of the IT industry in Australia, at the cost of privacy. Yikes.

      Thanks for those links. Very very interesting.

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    3. Re:Not a good thing. by mister_tim · · Score: 3, Informative

      Agreed.

      While Alston may not be as much of a Luddite in his attitudes towards technology, he certinaly appears to present more of a 'danger' to Australian's rights, given his views on censorship and privacy. Only this year, the Australian Privacy Foundation gave him their Big Brother Award for Lifetime Menace to Privacy.

      While this award wasn't linked to Williams' views or actions in relation to technology it still doesn't bode well for us Aussies given his new role.

    4. Re:Not a good thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I assume you meant "While Willaims may not be as much of a Luddite in his attitudes towards technology..."

      I agree. This is a terrible move, and will have a massive negative impact on privacy in Australia.

    5. Re:Not a good thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      I can tell you now, he couldnt have done much worse than Alston... And as igorant as this may seem, let me address each issue.

      * trying to destroy the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission

      The first step to having equal rights is non discrimination, being a certain race in Australia can make your life easier, dont belive me, go to your local "dole" queue, and tick the box -i do not wish to disclose my race-

      # Being the force behind Australia's equivalent of the Patriot Act

      Well, we do have to catch up on 1984, but seriously, who watches the watches.. lets wake up.

      Refusing to defend a homosexual judge, despite being bound by his position as Attorney General to act as an advocate and protector for the judiciary

      If you wathced the news, you would see that there is more to this, than i can explain here.

      Refusing to accept UN reports on racism in Australia

      Yes, the UN over sensationalised the reports. Dont believe me, live here for 10 years, read it, then make your decision

      Lobbying for increased intellectual property rights

      I think that was his party decision, and not just his.

      Lobbying for laws allowing Australia's spy agency, ASIO, to read domestic emails

      No, what he lobbied for was access to eschelon.

      Supporting the increase in the rate of phone tapping

      I agree with this one, AU has the best phone network in the world, and yet we dont use it for high tech crime fighting, what gives ?

      And generally trampling on human rights and civil liberties wherever possible.

      Not everything is as simple as it seems.

    6. Re:Not a good thing. by thirdrock · · Score: 5, Informative

      Being the force behind Australia's equivalent of the Patriot Act

      The ASIO bill was much worse than the Patriot Act. Among other things it
      1. Removed habeus corpus from common law.
      2. Made refusal to give testimony a crime (5 years)
      3. Denial of legal counsel
      4. Denial of ANY counsel (incommunicado)
      5. Strip search without justification
      6. Only avenue of complaint via letter, which you have to give to your interrogators, who will pass it on to the ombudsman (without 'misplacing' it, yeah right ...)

      The press goes on about Guantanomo bay, but at least the Americans had to invent a term 'illegal combatant', and it is still being challenged. With the ASIO bill, we signed 'Guantanomo Bay' into law!

      Now the Govt. can pick you up off the street hold you incommunicado, without counsel, without any rights under common law, and then imprison you for 5 years even if you don't know anything.

      And now we want this nazi motherfucker to be overlording our communications as well, reading our e-mails and listening to our phone calls.Sheesh .... we are so fucked.

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    7. Re:Not a good thing. by Flingles · · Score: 1

      The problem with democracy - sometimes, you can't vote for a GOOD party.

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    8. Re:Not a good thing. by Marlor · · Score: 2, Informative
      I really can't fathom how you could defend Williams for the actions in my post above. I'll respond, even though I have a feeling you are just trolling.
      trying to destroy the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission
      The first step to having equal rights is non discrimination, being a certain race in Australia can make your life easier, dont belive me, go to your local "dole" queue, and tick the box -i do not wish to disclose my race

      The HREOC is in charge of stopping people from being sacked because a boss does not agree with their political views or sexual preference. It is responsible for stopping sexual harassment in the workplace. Most importantly, it is in charge of protecting free speech.
      Being the force behind Australia's equivalent of the Patriot Act
      Well, we do have to catch up on 1984, but seriously, who watches the watches.. lets wake up.
      So, you support a totalitarian state, do you? The ASIO Bill gives unparallelled rights to Australia's spy agency to detain anyone for questioning without having to lay charges (and with no right to having a lawyer present). I hope it isn't abused - but it is certainly a worrying prospect.
      Refusing to defend a homosexual judge, despite being bound by his position as Attorney General to act as an advocate and protector for the judiciary
      If you wathced the news, you would see that there is more to this, than i can explain here.
      What happened is that Justice Kirby was accused of picking up male prostitutes in his Government-supplied car. It was Darryl Williams' job to stand up for him in his duty as Attorney General. He did not. Darryl Williams was criticised on all sides for this. People are now calling for the role of Attorney General to be redefined, since Williams let politics get in the way of his duty. Justice Kirby is still practicing.
      Refusing to accept UN reports on racism in Australia
      Yes, the UN over sensationalised the reports. Dont believe me, live here for 10 years, read it, then make your decision
      I've lived in Australia for 24 years, read the report, and decided that it made some good points. The Australian Government has breached several international agreements in their detention of asylum seekers. Williams refused to answer these specific allegations, instead he dismissed the report entirely.
      Lobbying for increased intellectual property rights
      I think that was his party decision, and not just his.
      No, it was his. If you read the link I point to, it contains a speech by Darryl Williams stating how he feels intellectual property laws have to be tightened.
      Lobbying for laws allowing Australia's spy agency, ASIO, to read domestic emails
      No, what he lobbied for was access to eschelon.
      He attempted to get ASIO's powers increased to allow them to "read unopened domestic emails". Civil liberties groups were up in arms about this at the time.
      Supporting the increase in the rate of phone tapping
      I agree with this one, AU has the best phone network in the world, and yet we dont use it for high tech crime fighting, what gives ?
      What gives is that the rate of phone tapping has been dramatically increasing under Williams' reign as Attorney General. While it would be nice to think that this is all for crime-fighting, the past actions of Australia's surveillance organisations make this seem a little fanciful.
      Not everything is as simple as it seems
      No, it never is. Your unwavering trust that the Government will only ever use it's increased powers to fight crime and help others is truly simple indeed. Personally, whenever I see any government get increased powers of surveillance, or the ability to detain people without charges, I get a chill up my spine. It would be simple to think that these laws are there to protect us, but what happens when they are abused? If Williams had his way, the Human Rights and Equal Opportunities Commission (or the UN) would not be there to stand up for us.
    9. Re:Not a good thing. by kubrick · · Score: 1


      1a) Allowed for indefinite detention without charges being laid.

      I know that's sort of implied, just wanted to make it more explicit. (Of course, the Americans seem to have introduced that ploicy too...)

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    10. Re:Not a good thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful


      Refusing to accept UN reports on racism in Australia

      Yes, the UN over sensationalised the reports. Dont believe me, live here for 10 years, read it, then make your decision


      I've lived here for thirty years, and I've witnessed a once thriving multicultural society returning to the days of the White Australia Policy. It's fucking scary.

    11. Re:Not a good thing. by mister_tim · · Score: 1

      Yes, I did mean "...Williams may not be as much of a Luddite in his attitudes towards technology...". Thanks for picking that up.
      It's been a long day.

    12. Re:Not a good thing. by thirdrock · · Score: 1

      1a) Allowed for indefinite detention without charges being laid.

      I know that's sort of implied, just wanted to make it more explicit. (Of course, the Americans seem to have introduced that ploicy too...)


      Yes, but the Americans have had to use dubious loopholes like 'material witness', which was used to hold Jose Padilla and Maher Hawash, and 'illegal combantant' which I mentioned before.
      Interestingly, Maher(Mike) was threatened with indefinite detention in a military brig if he didn't confess to his 'crimes'. So while the policy is similar, the Americans have had to jump through some hoops.

      Us suckers in the Land of OZ don't have a pesky Bill of Rights in our Constitution, so Williams and Co just trampled them by signing into law the demolition of common law (and who knows, maybe democracy?).

      Ah well, New Zealand is looking really nice. The Warriors made it to the quarter finals, the All Blacks will probably win the world cup, their Prime Minister doesn't have her tongue in GWB's arse, real estate is cheap and the air is clean. I wonder if they'll have me?

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    13. Re:Not a good thing. by kubrick · · Score: 1

      I think the ASIO indefinite detention was actually some sort of eternally renewable 1-month period, but given that they didn't actually have to inform anyone about the person being detained, it's indefinite by any real definition. That part might not have survived the Senate, though...

      The American loopholes do stand a chance of being punished in their courts (if not now, then maybe in the future) as they are clearly designed as Constitutional dodges.

      New Zealand could be good... might end up that there are more of us over there than Kiwis over here, if Howard stays in much longer :/

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    14. Re:Not a good thing. by pimpinmonk · · Score: 1

      That's what you get for having a country full of convicts...

    15. Re:Not a good thing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm no lawyer, but there's plenty of expert opinions that say the ASIO bill might not survive it's first encounter with the High Court.

      http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/06/26/105644 93 70753.html

      All this takes is for them to arrest someone with either the money, or the contacts, to challenge the legislation there.

  22. First dibs on the website redesign by 0x00 · · Score: 1

    I'm sure the new guy will need his website redesigned. I am going to offer to do it for 50% of what it cost Alston. At $2 million that is a bargain.

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  24. Yeah but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Not everything is as simple as it seems.

    You're talking to an australian. THE dumbest brand to human to ever exist.

  25. Hallelujah? I'm scared. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What I don't like is the other things that have happened in the process of this reshuffling. Philip Ruddock, previously of immigration (that is, he dealt with the detention camps and visas-for-cash), is now attorney-general.

    I don't want to know. This country scares me.

  26. Ding dong the witch is dead? by thogard · · Score: 1

    I've currently got enough gear to start a wireless broadband ISP sitting here in my house in Melbourne. I've got two high spots with access points that are installed and ready to go as well as a 10mb uplink.

    I don't have a telecommunications license.
    Thats going to require setting up the right type of company and then paying the 1st $10,000 application fee. Rumors from someone thats just started the 1st years paper work is saying its going to cost $50,000 just to get to the second year.

    Damn cuting into Ziggys gravy train is a hard game to play.

    Lucky for me I can ship all this gear over the Tasman sea where the political situation is so messed up.

    1. Re:Ding dong the witch is dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Re:Ding dong the witch is dead?

    2. Re:Ding dong the witch is dead? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a bad quote from the wizard of "Oz". The original downunder domain was not .au but .oz.

  27. Re:Next step for the Australians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unfortunately good sense is in short supply down under. The Prime Minister has taken another step towards his dream of rendering the public completely helpless by imposing sweeping confiscations of handguns. Needless to say this is being done ostensibly as a crime prevention measure (although I dont think anyone seriously expects actual criminals to tamely hand over their tools of trade) the immediate victim is the law abiding gun owner, followed by the general public as the crime rate inevitably soars again.

  28. Actually the situation is even worse by tehanu · · Score: 1

    Phillip Ruddock is the new Attorney-General. As recent news articles state, the reason is to "strengthen the security aspects" of the job. Phillip Ruddock is firstly a favourite of Howard, and once is given a task he will pursue it to the letter no matter who gets hurt in the way, even if they are innocent kids (look at his actions as immigration minister). To say he is dedicated is an understatement. And to wrap up the package he truely absolutely believes that what he is doing is the "good" thing eg. he refuses to take off his Amnesty International Badge even though Amnesty has asked him to. With him as Attorney-General, any innocents who get harmed will be like the kids in detention, collateral damage in an ideological crusade in which to bend or to show any sort of sympathy or humanity is a sign of weakness and a failure. He has the fervour of a Crusader riding into Jerusalem. And the worse thing is, he is actually a very talented adminstrator. Once he sets out to do something, it'd probably get done and he has the favour of Howard to push through th e laws he wants. Basically think of how he runs immigration in Australia. Think of him running national security in the same way. If he can treat little kids the wa he does because he believes it is the right thing to do and he can't show any weakness, imagine how he's going to treat a "terrorist suspect". I'm sure we're going to end up safer from terrorists. But the collateral damage is likely to be huge.

    1. Re:Actually the situation is even worse by Sajarak · · Score: 1

      And, what's more, he is extremely popular with most Australians because of the the way he does his job. He was extremely successful at playing to Australian mainstream opinion which says that that refugees claiming to be fleeing from persecution are really scheming "queue-jumpers" who just want to take advantage of us.

      As far as privacy goes, your average Australian seems to think that if you don't have anything to hide, you don't have anything to be worried about, mate! No doubt Ruddock will be managing his new portfolio with these people in mind.

    2. Re:Actually the situation is even worse by Yoda's+Mum · · Score: 1

      If he can treat little kids the wa he does because he believes it is the right thing to do and he can't show any weakness, imagine how he's going to treat a "terrorist suspect". I'm sure we're going to end up safer from terrorists. But the collateral damage is likely to be huge.

      The thing is, Australia has never had a terrorist problem. The only Australians killed by acts of terrorism were as targets outside our borders, or as 'collateral damage' in attacks directed against Americans, also outside of our borders. I felt perfectly safe from terrorists after the attacks on 11/09/2001, and continue to do so. A far more effective strategy against terrorism would probably have been to distance ourselves from American & British imperialism and align ourselves with the more neutral policies of mainland Europe and the United Nations.

  29. You troll by spamdog · · Score: 1

    This is absolute hogwash! Gun crime has never really been much of a problem here in Aus. I have only ever heard of two gun murders in my entire life. I seriously doubt this guy has ever even been to Australia.

    1. Re:You troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually I live in Australia and will have all three of my handguns confiscated.

      This is the sort of democracy we have - rule by absolute whim of the Prime Minister.

    2. Re:You troll by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      Gun crime has never really been much of a problem here in Aus.

      This is true, however, gun crime has risen since the introduction of the new laws - not that anyone should have been surprised by that.

    3. Re:You troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is true, however, gun crime has risen since the introduction of the new laws - not that anyone should have been surprised by that.

      No, this is FUD spread by pro-gun advocates.

      For a counter balance read this

      BTW: this gun control thread is completely off-topic.

    4. Re:You troll by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I have only ever heard of two gun murders in my entire life"

      You dont read much news eh?

      in the past 2 weeks theres been the guy who killed his kids and father in law, there was a shooting out new Scrambletown (sorry, campbelltown) in SW sydney, and plenty of others - i cant be fucked going and looking for links.

      we dont have *that* much gun crime, but theres been plenty more than 25 this year already.

      Others in recent years:- the pizza boy in chatswood (?i think it was), the melbourne shootings that have been happening, Ivan Milat, the nutter in tasmania, the bikies etc etc etc...

  30. Thank you John Howard by adam872 · · Score: 1

    Finally this pratt is no longer in a position to do any more damage to his portfolio. IMHO he has done more to damage telecoms and tech in Australia than any other communications minister in recent history. Good riddance Richard. Get rid of Tony Abbott while you are at it, John.

  31. WELOVETHEAUSTRALIANITMINISTER.COM by thelizman · · Score: 1
    "I tell you now, there is no Linux in Australia! Let them come! We will wash our hands in the blood of the infidel."


    I had to do it...
  32. Re:Next step for the Australians... by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

    Not sure where you heard this rubbish. Australia feels and is a lot safer now than before this ban - the kind of fear that Americans live under is unheard of in Australia.

  33. What story? (That 'rejected' feeling!!) by brindafella · · Score: 1

    I sent in this story a lot earlier than this version, and mine was "rejected". We are told not to get upset when stories are "rejected" but there seems to be an issue here, CmdrTaco! Editorial policy should be consistent! (Okay, I'm not really upset, really, really I'm not... :-)

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  34. OT: Why no Flag by KeensMustard · · Score: 1

    I notice that when a story relating to the US (eg a new policy or achievement ) is posted here, it is accompanied by the US flag. Why no Aussie flag? Couldn't find the graphic?

  35. If they can get you ISDN, they can get you ADSL by leonbrooks · · Score: 1
    ...since their NT1 routers use pretty much the same technology. Here in Perth, you could get the same ISDN (DoV) uncapped from ArachNet for $77.00 a month or capped at 1GB for $55 a month.

    Wyndham is notoriously difficult to get wires to, is often overcast (bad for satellite) and regularly has weather which is... unkind to antenna towers. Then there's the crocodiles... but despite that I've been told by several unrelated people that it's a nice place to live.

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  36. Not so fast... by BrokenHalo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I cordially despise Alston, but given the record of the current Australian Federal Government, I wouldn't hold out too much hope that his replacement will be any more enlightened.

    I would suggest that this reshuffle is more to deflect criticism of the heavy-handed way in which Alston has attempted to directly influence editorial and policy and journalism in the Australian Broadcasting Corporation over, for example, the Iraq War II.

  37. Oh God! by pimpinmonk · · Score: 0, Offtopic
    Attorney General Darryl...
    As I was reading this I thought the next word would be McBride, and I almost fainted. Imagine that man in any sort of political office? "Uh, guys, I got this great plan. Instead of trying to hunt down Saddam, why don't we just sue him unless he pays us $6,999,999.00 for every weapon of mass destruction he has? Yes!!! Brilliant!!!"
  38. I second that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The guy was a talking arsehole (even looked like one), let's hope his replacement has at least half a brain (preferably more ... but we are talking about politicians)

  39. Re:Next step for the Australians... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

    It is 100% accurate to say that gun crime peaked after the buy-back.

    It peaked from 'so fucking little you'd never even know it was there' to 'a little higher than that but its still so fucking little you'd never know it was there'.

    Don't bring your gun culture down on us. We're a country that doesn't have it and doesn't want it.

    Daniel
    -Commonwealth "Fewer gun crimes in a year that you have in an hour" of Australia

  40. Re:Next step for the Australians... by vudufixit · · Score: 1

    Yes, and please don't export your gun-grabbiness to the States. We do have it, but we really don't want it - only our politicians do so they can "fight crime" without going after the reasons crime exists.

  41. it is a bitch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With 2.4 a licence will is not needed. I don't think you can be a telecommunication carrier with 2.4 public waves.
    Gone down a similar road to you but I live on a ridge overlooking a city.
    The only way I see it is to be a hotspot. On your website say that the customer needs to be within 500M of the access point, this gets round stuff as the client is in the wrong not you.

  42. just use the US one by roesti · · Score: 1
    Why no Aussie flag? Couldn't find the graphic?
    Considering current policies, you might as well just use the Stars and Stripes to indicate the Australian government.
  43. Ahahahahahaha by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DING DONG THE WITCH IS DEAD!

    Thank the gods for this one. This man was such a technically clueless son of a bitch that when he walked down the street people would goes "god damn! there goes one technically clueless son of a bitch"

    HAHAHAHAH PARTY AT MY HOUSE!

  44. hey! by jyg1234 · · Score: 1

    What is this!? I submitted this story 24 hours ago and it was rejected and now someone else posts it and it's put up?! What my post wasn't good enough was it?!

    btw as I wrote in my post, Daryl Williams isn't exactly the best guy for the job, he wasn't a very good A-G and I don't think he knows anything about Communications and IT.

  45. gone but not forgotten by Azahar · · Score: 1

    Well done and very funny but sadly the wrong joke. How about:

    We welcome our new IT OverLord!

    The buffoon is gone and now we will see what someone with malice aforethought can do, no more crazy ball, this is going to be knives in the night from here on.

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  46. What the... by chendo · · Score: 1
    Senator Eggleston described Senator Alston as the greatest communications minister Australia had ever had, saying that during his term as communications minister the nation had seen great improvement in telecommunications services, particularly in rural Australia.

    WTF?
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