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Shadowbane World Closure Due To Counterfeiting?
Thanks to Terra Nova for their posting discussing world deletions/consolidations in the PC MMORPG Shadowbane, analyzing rumors that the measures are "a fairly sophisticated attempt to clean the bad gold out of the economy." The piece informs: "The official reason [for closure] seems to be the fact that populations are too low", but it's pointed out that "...those being booted from SB's Scorn and Treachery servers are leaving with nothing but the clothes on their back: no bank items, no coins, no property", a drastic step which some say is down to the fact that "...much of the gold in [Shadowbane's] worlds is duped rather than earned." Is this a simple world consolidation, or desperate economy-balancing measures?
Sounds similiar to the battle.net Diablo II life cycle where even the rarest of items became basically worthless due to duping. Kinda sad, in a virtual kind of way. Where's the fun in cheating like that? Sure, maybe it's thrilling for like a second or two, but then what?
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The SB developers were pretty clear at launch that they didn't intend to have 10 indentical worlds, but had to due to time constraints. They did plan on destroying many, and forcing people to move long before these cheats happened.
I do have a feeling the rampant gold duping might be a reason those two are going first, but, gold duping is a problem on every server.
I signed up for a full year subscription three months after Shadowbane had been released. All reviews I'd seen about it praised it. I tried to see what people who were playing the game on the site had to say, but those portions of the forums were only accessible to paying Shadowbane players.
After another three months (six months since the game was released), I canceled my subscription. Low server populations. Too much server down-time, database rollbacks, client/crashing problems, lag issues and just about everything else that you can think of that could suck about an MMORPG. The only MMORPG I've played that was worse was Anarchy Online - but they've improved whereas Shadowbane has not.
I only wish that I could have gotten the rest of my subscription fee refunded. Why should I pay for a game that it was almost never possible to play? And how can you play when there's nobody on! Shadowbane is horrid. Horrid! HORRID!
really, i don't understand why they don't fix it. whether they see it as being hard or not, it should be fixed. immediately. otherwise, the unbalanced economy will simply destroy the game beyond where it has gone already.
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Am I the only one that loves to read these stories about these massive SIM type games having the same problems as real life? Their has got to be some way to capitalize on this and use it as a predictor of human behaviour. I say we hunt down the perfect SIMS neighborhood and model it in reality somewhere in Oklahoma.
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Scorn is known as a dupe server; some big and organized guilds got deep into the dirty money game. Treachery, on the other hand, was no worse off than any of the other servers.
The primary reason for the bank wipe, IMO, is to limit the effect that guilds will have on the servers they move to. Without the gold to plunk a town down on their first day, they will have to find a place for themselves within the existing system, instead of just jumping in as a brand-new major power.
Someone who never played an mmorpg post about it, and be so wrong. Or maybe he/she did and ended up a lvl 2 in ebf with no friends...
I don't think they would lie about having low population on the servers.
/they/ need to play anything, and they know that managers like 'results', and managers typically push for visible results right away.
/look/ productive, but I've found it can pay dividends back in a year and a half, because you'll don't end up having to spend another year re-writing the game to fix all the bugs in the second year.
I think the last thing they would want would to admit was that the user figures were falling - I'm sure they'd much rather admit to a number of bugs that need addressing. This is probably just a convienent time to help remove some of the duped money/items.
It amazing though, so many of these titles have obviously been designed very badly indeed, or in some cases not at all - the developers have just sat down and started churning out code without any thought as to how to write it efficently and securely. I am still stunned by this, and I think impatiant unprofessional developers and poor managers are to blame. Some developers don't see why
In my experience, you should sit down and discuss plan this sort of software for about 3-6 months before you even write any code (and after that have regular meetings to dicuss tweaks to the design that become apparent once you start putting the basic API's in place). To be effective, it should be a proper discussion, between the developers, with no domination by any one developer and no large egos involved (apart from by the 'lead developer', where firm decisions need to be made one way or another).
I know it can seem wasteful to have people sitting around talking and making charts for 6 months, and it might not
I've found, with 6 months planning and a year of development you can achive the same as in 2 years worth of simple 'plunge in head first' development, because you don't have to waste lots of time bug fixing and traking down problems and re-writing significant bits of code.
The only disadvantage with the planning stage is that it you are 6 months later to market, but I think having a product that is twice as 'mature' is much better in the long haul (and if your in it to build a stable product, which you should be - as even if you plan on a quick sale, you can't always count on one right away - then it just makes much more sense to be later to market in many instances, even if you have competitors hot on your heels, customers will soon get tired of them if they have a poor quality product).
I'd be interested to hear other developers/project managers experiences...
I had a system on the MUD that I had created, whereby every object had a serial number, and if
any two objects with the same serial number ever
existed at the same time, they were both (or all if there were multiples found) destroyed, and that was it.
As far as for numeric issues, like coins, which were not really an object, just a number to keep track of, there was a "money daemon" object, which kept track of how much money was in the world (there was a set limit) and all requests by the game program to add money to the players money totals had to go through this program. Now, when you picked up money, that was an object, until you picked it up, and it was converted to a number, and added to your money total. So, if you somehow managed to clone/dupe the money object, while it was on the ground or in a MOBs possession, it would have the same serial number as the original, and both sets would be destroyed.
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I hope as the game industry matures more that there will more examples of well-designed systems and games.
Personally, my company has been working on a MMO game for a few years, with the goal of getting a robust, reliable engine and network framework in place in parallel to getting the first game in place. We started with prototypes and then refactored and redesigned to get the final design, which is now pretty solid. If we had to get to market more quickly we probably would have crashed and burned and disappeared already, instead of having a better architecture that should handle a lot better in the long haul.
Of course, we'll see what happens come launch time, which is really when the rubber hits the road! :-)
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What Star Trek was it when they talk about Kirk getting stuck in some computer simulation (academy training) where he essentially had to pick between two evils? Something along the lines of "Lose your ship or lose a world or innocents," or something equally nefarious.
What does he do? Well, he cracks the simulation computer and cheats his way into doing neither. Iirc.
Just to say there's at least one campy cliche story that would agree that cheating != evil and is a legitimate part of the game when you're playing one. When you play god and make your own world, better be careful what laws your creations force people to follow and which you tell them to follow, b/c those are quite different things.
It's all 0s and 1s. Or it's not.
As an active player of Shadowbane on the Chaos server (the most populated server), we have had a rampant influx of duped gold that completely disrupted the in game economy, just about to the extreme as the Scorn server (one of the ones being merged). However, I had not heard of many problems on Treachery (the other world being merged), but both have very low populations (i.e. around 300 people online during primetime, compared to 700-800 on Chaos). Chaos still lives, so it must be population, not duping.
That would be the Kobayashi Maru training scenario.
Not arguing with anything you said, but it is worth noting that by the time they released, Shadowbane was *long* overdue. They'd gotten to the point where they had to release *something*, no matter how many bugs it might have had. (And it had plenty. Though it is a lot better now.)
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