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Open Source Making Inroads in Small Businesses

prostoalex writes "In a story mainly about new OpenOffice release, NewsFactor Network quotes an interesting finding of Jupiter Research analyst: "Open-source productivity suites did "surprisingly well" in the mid-size business market, with the OpenOffice suite alone claiming a share of about 6%. Furthermore, [Joe Wilcox] found that some 19% of small businesses ran Linux on their desktop, and a whopping 26% ran Linux on their servers.""

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  1. where's the beef? by garcia · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And those pockets are in small and mid-size businesses -- those of 1,000 employees or less -- where paying top dollar for Microsoft's very expensive productivity suite does not make much sense. In conducting research for a new report, Wilcox found that open-source productivity suites did "surprisingly well" in the mid-size business market, with the OpenOffice suite alone claiming a share of about 6 percent. Furthermore, he found that some 19 percent of small businesses ran Linux on their desktop, and a whopping 26 percent ran Linux on their servers.

    I want to know some more detail... What state? What area of business? 26% server share, sure, believeable, 6% OO share, eh, not too believeable, but I will go with it based on the fact that they have shown no data to back up this claim... 19% on the desktop? Uh, no way, that's just too unbelievable for me.

    I love Linux and I think it has great potentional but I think this "research" is just as skewed as anything that is funded by MS...

    1. Re:where's the beef? by Eponymous+Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Want to know some more detail? Then buy the report. That's the whole reason they bait you with these findings. In the end, they are just trying to sell some research.

    2. Re:where's the beef? by arendjr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      19% on the desktop? Uh, no way, that's just too unbelievable for me. Please note they claim 19% of small businesses use Linux on the desktop. That's something totally different than 19% market share. Those 19% may have just 1 desktop with Linux. So actually, it still says nothing, but it's a start.

    3. Re:where's the beef? by ePhil_One · · Score: 2, Redundant
      19% on the desktop?

      Pay attention to what was said. Not that 19% ran Linux exclusively on the desktop, just that in 19% of companies there exists a linux desktop. Might be that one cranky developer, might be like me, the IT guy who runs the Linux servers also has a Linux desktop to help him test scripts and new patches.

      Remember, Lies, Damn Lies, and then Statistics.

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    4. Re:where's the beef? by Total_Wimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree. I think we'll see that those percentages are "some computer in our shop uses this." rather than "most or all computers in our shop use this."

      I was the IT guy for a 35-desktop company a few years back. We ran Linux on exactly two of those computers. Furthermore, each of the "Linux computers" multibooted with WinNT and the WinNT partition was definately the primary.

      Would my company have counted as one of the "19% that use Linux on the desktop"?

      TW

    5. Re:where's the beef? by azzy · · Score: 2, Funny

      > I wasn't aware that Slashdot was a spam forum

      You must be new h.. oh never mind.

    6. Re:where's the beef? by Umrick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      110 user business here. Medical practice using Electronic medical records (EMR) and computerized practice management.

      7 Windows 2000 servers (darned vertical apps and Exchange)
      4 Linux Servers
      112 Workstations total
      3 Linux workstations for now (though moving Win98 boxes to Linux + LTSP where possible)
      Open Office is on 9 boxes as we ran out of MSOffice licenses... 72 other machines have MSOffice, rest run vertical apps only...

      OO 8% of all workstations
      Linux 36% of all servers
      Linux 2.7% of all clients (mostly due to brain damaged vertical apps blocking deployment)

      In the process of testing kerberos + ldap + samba 3.0 to replace the existing W2k ADS servers. These numbers are in spite of 2 hideously evil vertical market apps that must run on Windows that every user must run at least one of. Citrix and Linux + ICA or Windows Terminal Server + RDesktop is your friend. Although one app stores it's print profile in the System hive rather than current user, so while you can use it in Term Services, last person to select a printer wins. =P

      Gentoo is on servers and workstations. So yes, it is possible. The key is that management MUST be open to trying new things in the interest of cutting costs, and it requires a certain amount of knowledge to make it happen.

  2. Good. by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    Small to mid-size business move faster than big business. When the smaller ones are more competitive and saving cash the larger businesses will have to follow suit to remain competitive.

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  3. OpenOffice in schools... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    If only schools could switch to OpenOffice to, and we could probably get rid of the MS Office dominance for ever in a few years...

    1. Re:OpenOffice in schools... by godders · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Personally, I find it sickening that schools (here in the UK at least) are teaching lessons as what amount to "Microsoft Office Classes"... My housemate is a teacher, she has little knowledge past the standard MSOffice skills an average office worker would pick up, yet she's planning lessons and teaching these kids.
      IMHO there needs to be a definite line between teaching kids how a word processor works, and teaching kids "MS Word 2000" or whatever...

      What happens to all these kids when they finally get jobs? their employer has to either spend more money training them, or shell out for the latest microsoft product that they are vaguely familar with...

    2. Re:OpenOffice in schools... by altair87 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Trying --- I am a Tech Director at a school. We are handing out copies of OpenOffice to students to install at home. Pushing teachers to use it in their classes (that's the hardest part getting the teachers to change - not the students)

      If OO sticks around there will be more and more future employees clamoring for it.

    3. Re:OpenOffice in schools... by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If only schools could switch to OpenOffice to, and we could probably get rid of the MS Office dominance for ever in a few years...

      I'm working on a project to recycle old computer parts into working computers for schools. The school I'm working with now has no money... none. That's why we're doing this. So I can't very well turn around and ask the school to drop a couple hundred for an OS for each computer they get. Obviously we will be using 100% open source - OpenOffice on Linux.


      Interestingly, for all the complaining I hear about underfunded schools, some schools refused free computers because they didn't look like the others that they had purchased. Even more refused because they had to choose between using Linux free or paying for an OS.

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    4. Re:OpenOffice in schools... by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful


      If only schools could switch to OpenOffice to, and we could probably get rid of the MS Office dominance for ever in a few years..

      Not necessarily. Apple owned the school market for years but couldn't make great inroads into the business market.

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    5. Re:OpenOffice in schools... by stephenbooth · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A couple of weeks ago my 12 year old neice (who uses Microsoft Word at school) was visiting (well my sister was visiting and unfortunately the kids come with her) and wanted to type up some home work on my PC. I sat her down in front of the PC and started up OpenOffice.org for her automatically (it's what I use myself, I only have MS Office on there cos a) it was already there and b) sometimes OpenOffice.org has problems with MS files). She'd been working for about 2 hours and had produced about 3 pages with a number of font styles and some inserted graphics she'd pulled out of my clip art folder before she realised it wasn't Microsoft Office she was using. She's not brighter than most other kids her age and that was the first time she'd used OpenOffice.org.

      Stephen

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    6. Re:OpenOffice in schools... by Spamalamadingdong · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Interestingly, for all the complaining I hear about underfunded schools, some schools refused free computers because they didn't look like the others that they had purchased. Even more refused because they had to choose between using Linux free or paying for an OS.
      You might want to think about appealing these decisions to the court of public opinion. Have you considered writing letters to an editor or three? Parents who are upset that their kids can't get on computers at school might decide that it matters enough to push the issue for you.
  4. 19%? by Syberghost · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Where? Silicon Valley?

    Everywhere I've been, it's more like 1% running Linux on the desktop. At least, if you're only counting places where the management has made the decision to run Linux, not places where individual IT folks are running elicit Linux boxes on our^H^H^Htheir desktops.

    1. Re:19%? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree that there should be more clarification as to where these figures were obtained from but, if these include European businesses, then please remember that many governmental organisations in Europe (especially Germany) are moving to Linux on the desktop in a big way.

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  5. Hoax ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I ran into several companies and except one, no one runs Linux as a Desktop operating Systems, and every computer runs Micorsoft Office.

    Strange, is not it ? I don't believe in that report

  6. Re:Bullshit by Lieutenant_Dan · · Score: 2, Funny

    can't cahge that

    I see you're using Office XP! Good for you. But you should install SP1 which fixes the spell checker.

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  8. Excellent to see... by Kandel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As we may remember from a recent interview with James Gosling, he made the statement,
    "There's no way that I could pay nearly $4,000 for a freaking word processor at home. It just isn't going to happen."
    If the home user cannot justify purchasing an expensive office suite, it is no surprise that the small business will try to avoid it as well. Initiatives such as OpenOffice really help to push these boundaries, making Open Source software appealing to business, and to the end user.
    I personally use Abiword and OpenOffice in my day to day word processing, and I prefer it much to the expensive Microsoft Office suite.

    1. Re:Excellent to see... by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 2, Interesting
      especially considering that $400 gets you not only a word processor, but a spreadsheet, presentation software, database software, personal information management software, etc. etc. And clip art libraries. And all kinds of other useful crap.

      That's still not worth $400. Office suite software is a commodity item now. All of the problems involved with creating such software were solved 10 years ago. (That's why Microsoft is trying to invent new problems that we didn't know we needed, like DRM'd spreadsheets.)

      For $400, I would expect to get some kind of specialized cutting-edge software, like a midrange 3D modelling/rendering package, not a bag of 15-year old generic office tools.

      The only thing that allows MS Office to command its $400 price tag is the fact that so many useres have locked their data into its proprietary file format. That's what you're paying the gatekeeper for: access to your files and the files of others who are in the same situation.

      If you look at the history of various industries, such a gatekeeper position is an unstable situation. It takes the utmost in business skill to maintain such a distorted marketplace when you're not providing intrinsic value. Microsoft may one day lose their grip on this golden goose, but OTOH they have shown unsurpassed skill managing their market so far. Only time will tell.

  9. No surprise... by Xentax · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For those companies that are:

    1) Big enough to worry about getting busted with unlicensed (pirated and/or over-installed legal copies of) software, but
    2) Unwilling to spend $x99.99 on Office per seat,

    OpenOffice is a no-brainer alternative. Heck, Notepad is a better choice for some percentage of the staff, I'm sure.

    It's pretty much inevitable -- good research becomes commoditized over time, everything from Velcro on the Space Shuttle to Spelling and Grammar checking in a Word Processor. I'm actually sort of surprised that it's taken this long for a Free office suite to start (more accurately, to be SEEN to be) really getting into mainstream commercial use.

    Still, I think there will always be a percentage of people who want the latest and greatest features, and organizations that are willing to spend to provide them. And organizations with the money to spend will continue to standardize across their staff, etc.

    IMHO, neither 'side' (MS, Oracle, etc. on one side and Linux, OpenOffice, MySQL etc. on the other) should really focus on 'winning'. Keep those core users, go after the others. MS is gradually learning to be competitive instead of anti-competitive, something that will benefit both sides in the long run.

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  10. Easy way to verify it by ajs318 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It would not be too hard to verify Open Office.org's market share by experiment. All we need to do is start sending out .sxw and .sxc attachments. If we get e-mails asking what programme opens them, we tell them Open Office {though I'd expect MS Office to be able to open them just fine; after all, the Open Office.org file formats are public knowledge, whereas the MS office file formats are closely-guarded secrets}.

    Also, it might give some people a dose of their own medicine.

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    1. Re:Easy way to verify it by gregmac · · Score: 2, Insightful
      All we need to do is start sending out .sxw and .sxc attachments.

      You know, this has always irritated me. Why is some specialized document format used for sending documents back and forth? With Word, it spreads problems like macro viruses. Yes, at least an open format is nicer because you don't require a $600 office suite to read it.

      But shouldn't we really be using PDF or something similar? Then there are no issues with document formatting - it looks exactly like it would when you print it. There are no issues with having office suite x and/or y. There are tons of free converters - in fact, OOo 1.1 has a button to do it in one click - and free viewers.

      We've been using PDF at my office for at least a couple years now (though the primary wordprocessor here is WordPerfect .. I'm trying to migrate to OOo right now). But basically any attachment is sent out with PDF. It makes things easier for our staff (who aren't great with computers) because all they have to do is print to PDF, save, and then send the email.

      For collaboration, use text files, or just plain email, then one person can sit down and format the document. I don't understand why sending .doc files is so widely used.

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  11. You bet by Doesn't_Comment_Code · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We're a small business, and we run open source on our server and a few desktops. We'll be moving to more in the future.

    You can just imagine the look on my boss's face when he asked how much he had to pay for my software and upgrades.

    Basically, we use open source because this company lives month to month. We make plenty of money, but there's not enough to throw around on wild expenses. Also, the only excuse for not using open source is not having any employees smart enough to handle it. The MS philosophy is to make computers dumbed down to the level of the dumbest user. And that's why a lot of businesses use windows. But in a sense, if you have open source knowledge and background, then the sum of all open source software is like a benefit you bring to the company once they hire you. Because you have free or cheap access to a program to do just about everything on just about any hardware. What could be better for a small business? This had a large role in my employment.

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    1. Re:You bet by Zachary+Kessin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      True, but as anyone who has ever had an office full of computers running windows will tell you, those machines need support too. Probably more hours a month than linux does.

      True there are costs with linux, but moving to windows will not make them go away.

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    2. Re:You bet by 4iedBandit · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Open source is not free. The cost to your boss for running open source software is the time it takes for you to support it. He also needs you, or someone like you, to make sure that his systems keep running etc. This is why many companies shy away from open source solutions, the perceived lack of support.

      So by inference, if you buy closed source software you don't have to worry about having someone on hand to support it and keep it all running. As we all know Microsoft products require absolutely no on site support and attention from the IT staff.

      Sarcasm: The weapon of choice for those who understand that assault and battery generally come with jail time.

      I won't argue that OSS dosen't require support personnel, but then again so does non-OSS. Those costs remain the same, the difference is that with OSS you don't have large, recuring licensing fees. So if you remove the costs that are the same between OSS and non-OSS, all that's left is the cost of the software. The difference between $0 and $500/seat for each application is significant for any business.

      Companies benefiting from OSS should donate some money to the OSS developement teams to help keep things going. I'd like to know if that is actually happening.

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  12. Linux is eventual in its nature by mnmn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'm in the IT department of a small company.. ~70 hosts and ~8 servers. The need arose a while ago to have a seperate database offloading data from the MS SQL server for reporting purposes. I installed linux on a redundant P3 lying around and set things up because I didnt want to hit the management with a bill for some fancy UNIX solution, and I'm just used to linux.

    So now theres the need to use a better VPN solution than the one that comes with win2k, and to replace the MS proxy server. Will I hit them with a bill for the cobalt raq server, an RS/6000 or a used Pentium3 with Linux/FreeBSD? I've no beef with FreeBSD, but I had to install something on the RedHat that doesnt install on FreeBSD.

    So Linux is eventual. Everyone will have a need for a utility server and not want to pay for it... and the techie who suggests it will be preferred, for saving the small business some money, natural selection of OSes comes with it.

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  13. Those numbers sound questionable. by stratjakt · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I visit tons of small businesses, and this guys telling me 1 in 4 are running linux somewhere?

    And what exactly does he call a small business? Are these .com startups or what? Sounds like a dataset skewed towards tech-oriented businesses.

    I mean, your local mom and pop dry cleaner or deli stand doesn't usually have a server farm in the closet or care how many megaflips per flop the electrowizzer can do.

    When I think small business and computers, I think of a cheap dell in the corner running QuickBooks..

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    1. Re:Those numbers sound questionable. by strider3700 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well at the mom and pop 1 terminal for sales and reporting level I'd assume your correct. My company produces Point of Sale software and we rarely sell systems of that size. However when you get 3 or more terminals for sales or any kind of complex inventory you quickly realize that quick books just isn't upto the task, this is the market we've recently entered into.

      You average 3 terminal system will cost you about $18,000 just in software costs from us and we're priced lower then much of our competition. A recent sale of a 75 terminal system come in at approx. $105,000

      Unfortunately that $18,000 contains close to $5000 in OS costs for a very dated OS that is starting to hurt us. The 75 terminal system cost $16,000 in OS fees. So we're moving to linux over the next year or so with a complete rewrite of the codebase. We're not the only one in the industry moving to Linux either, some of our competition has already made the move and is doing well.

      The plan is to have a large linux server offering up virtual desktops to PC's or actual dumb terminals. This would be a trivial task except for the requirement that the new software must have a GUI and not be text based. So now the question is just how much hardware is required to offer 100 unique qui connections over the network.

      Anyways the point is that you can expect to see more linux in the small business sector in the near future. In the end money talks with most of these customers.

    2. Re:Those numbers sound questionable. by Evil+Pete · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I recently wandered into a bottle shop to buy some beer. So I plonk it down on the counter and the checkout-chick scans it and I then notice that the PC she is using is running an app in KDE! Holy crap I think ... then I think striking up a conversation with her about Linux and KDE would not impress. Ah well.

      But if the task bar hadn't been visible I just would never have known.

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  14. A major obstacle: knowledgeable staff by ajensen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While it's not for everybody, the open source solution really seems to make sense if a group or company can get started with it. I work for a small (~2500 customer) ISP in central Michigan and we use a combination of Linux and Windows 2000. When I started at the ISP, it was a Microsoft-only shop. I introduced the first UNIX server -- a FreeBSD machine -- after about six months. It had a much better uptime, could seemingly handle more tasks, and was easily maintained.

    But the main reason that it worked, I think, is that I was there to take care of the new FreeBSD server and answer any questions. If a company does not have a knowledgeable *NIX person on staff, then the chances of that company making an open source solution work are probably greatly reduced.

    There is still, I think, a good deal to overcome to really get Linux and open source software into businesses for good. It doesn't help to have a free or even much-less-expensive solution if nobody knows how to use it or fix it. Maybe we just need to breed more *NIX-loving types. :)

  15. I'm in that 26% by cenonce · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I'm a solo practicing lawyer with one employee. I use two Macs for desktop stuff, but keep all my firm files on a Linux x86 Server I built and set-up myself. The Macs mount the shares via NFS. It also acts as a print server. I've never had a problem with it and would never be able to afford to have a dedicated server if I had to pay Microsoft licensing fees. I also figure I saved myself about a thousand bucks by using Linux instead of buying OS X server and another Mac capable of acting as a server.

    -A

    1. Re:I'm in that 26% by cenonce · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'll admit to still using MS Office for Mac, but I only have one license (and when you open the same license of Office on two machines on a network, the second to open quits by itself! %&%#&!). So I use X11 Open Office on the Mac when me and my office manager need Word at the same time. The fonts don't necessarily show up the same, but the documents (at least Word docs) hardly ever need fixing, and I just save as a Word 97/XP doc and it works just fine.

      I still and probably will continue to use Macs as my desktop OS so I don't have problems sending people docs they can't open. If all else fails, I can "Save as PDF".

      I can say that when an "aqua" version of OpenOffice is available in 2005 or so, I will not upgrade MS Office anymore and convert exclusively to OpenOffice. For me, it has not been an issue in terms of compatibility.

      There is no question that the Linux server took some setting up, but frankly, I could've just as easily used the Red Hat GUI set-up assistants for NFS, SMB, Print Sharing, etc. So the posts I've seen that say Linux is too hard to set-up for somebody who wants to make money is a bunch of cr@p! Frankly, if you are a small business, you need to have enough computer skills to figure stuff out on your own and a distro like RH is practically idiot-proof for setting up network services.

      Setting up a Linux server takes 10 minutes. Its more secure and it costs nothing. If they isn't the definition of making money, then I don't know what is!

      -A

  16. Why Not? by 4of12 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    These small and medium sized businesses can move more quickly and make changes that they see as being a better business decision. Costs and benefits of any decision are up-close and personal.

    Hmmm... let's see ... I have to retrain myself a little to understand the new application (which takes time), suffer a little loss of features, but it costs a lot less, especially over time.

    Large companies take longer to do this. The costs and benefits appear different. Large companies like MyCorp have negotiated multi-year, site-wide contracts with companies like Microsoft for things like Office. Consequently, at the department level those products appear "free", we don't pay for them because it comes out of some company wide expenditure, just like electricity and phone service. (And, too, the standardization on One product helps to minimize support costs; so the old One product line is more firmly entrenched . The support techs are more familiar with the old devil than the new devil.)

    OpenOffice still has a way to go to compete against that impression in large companies. CIO's are cautious about making a big move unless they feel real comfortable that they understand the costs involved.

    While in a small business, the proprietor feels and benefits the costs directly, in the large business, the CIO assumes all of the costs of worrying about the transition. If they're wrong, it's not like they'll just go back the next day like the small business can. No, a bad IT decision in a large company is head-on-a-platter time.

    Therefore, study the issue and defer a major transition decision until more evidence is available.

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  17. Makes perfect sense by _underSCORE · · Score: 5, Interesting

    About five years ago, I set up a linux server at my godfather's business, and it's been running like a tank since then. It replaced an NT machine that required constant fixing and administration on his end. Since he's not the most savvy user, this was a constant source of complaint for him.

    The linux machine grew with his business, and was only recently replaced (due to a motherboard failure). When I asked him what kind of OS he wanted on the new server, the choice was clear: Linux. Since it requires so little maintenance (none from him and only remote administration from me) he's been one of the most vocal Linux advocates in the small business community, and had several business in our area come in to see how well Linux works with their existing technologies.

    Did we have trouble? Yeah... ACT didn't like to be on a SAMBA share (until I found out it needed oplock tweaking), and getting tech support from his ISP was troublesome, but once everything was set up, there was nothing more to do.

    Small businesses often can't afford to have a full time IT person, so this kind of set it and forget it proposition makes great business sense.

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  18. Exactly. Who is this guy trying to fool? by mao+che+minh · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I have intimate knowledge of the networks of two large corporations, 3 medium sized businesses, one educational institution, and 2 small businesses. In each, Linux is only used for web servers, traffic filtering, firewalls, and small database servers (at one location).

    I'm sure that my observations mirror those of many, many others. Linux is making significant penetration into many new markets, true. But the desktop and small-business-server aren't two of those markets.

  19. according to Forrester... by realfake · · Score: 3, Informative

    It's more like 70% for big companies.
    http://www.forrester.com/ER/Research/Report/0,1338 ,17096,00.html

    It's not saying they're *exclusively* using linux, and it's unclear whether this is server or desktop.

  20. It's a question of trust... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Once people realise that StarOffice/OpenOffice aren't some geek toys and are serious suites for Office development, they'll be much less fearful of switching.

    That is, once people know 2 or 3 people who say "we used OpenOffice/StarOffice at company X and it was fine and saved us a packet".

    OpenOffice isn't going to grow because of IT Directors deciding to use it. It will be people installing it themselves, or trying it at home and finding they like it and forcing the issue upwards.

  21. It is the product activation... by (H)elix1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think Microsoft is finally starting to succeed in eliminating the 'casual' software pirating. Sure, there are the larger corporate versions that don't have the activation feature - but most of the smaller companies (less than 25 people) won't have that type of license. A few years back, you could buy a dell and take the copy of office 97 and stick it on every desktop - not legal, but easily to do. Now that is just not the case as today's software loves to finger print your hardware to prevent this from happening.

    So why the increase in OSS? I suspect a big chunk comes from folks who look at the CAL's, email, file, or print servers - all the things in addition to an office suite - and have to decide if they really want to pony up for it. A personal example: a friend was looking to get a copy of office to update their resume, among other things. With the product activation, they could not install my copy of Word. Best case, they could buy a student edition for $130 (and sign up for classes) or plunk down $200 for a normal version. I explained what the activation did, pointed them to some on-line vendors I trust, and then gave them the link to Open Office to use while they thought about what to do.

    Office is just peanuts, IMHO. The back office pieces are the spendy bits, and that is where a lot of the OSS software shines. Even for something as basic as a web server for the public, is it really worth two grand for IIS? Some folks might say yes, others might go Apache...

  22. Not this company by inteller · · Score: 3, Interesting

    For s small development company like this one, nothing beats the deal MSDN gives you. If you shop around you can get universal subscription for around 1k and that gives you enough dev licences to ALL of their software. The time saved from not having to reinvent the wheel pays for itself.

  23. Re:I find that hard to believe. by schon · · Score: 2, Funny

    I haven't consulted for small businesses in a few years, but when I was, I didn't find ANY linux

    Yes, and we all know that the world is a fixed, static place, where nothing ever changes.

    I haven't consulted for small businesses in a few years either, but when I was, I didn't find ANY Windows servers. Everybody was using Novell!

    So, therefore (by your own logic), Novell must be the most popular server platform for small business.

    Wow, I think somebody should tell them, I'm sure they'd love to hear that!

  24. I want to go there today by krautmann · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My wife runs a small business (40 employees) and I do the computing stuff (in my leisure time, basically). So I have some experience in SMB and Linux.
    5 years ago I introduced Linux file + print servers, routers, and firewalls. Since I was a newbie in the beginning I had a steep learning curve to climb up. After that, everything was perfect. No problems with the 4 Linux and 1 FreeBSD servers, but there still is a NT machine, because some software the company (fashion business) needs runs only on windows. The maintenance costs for this machine are 10 times higher than the 5 other servers combined. I would be glad to get rid of it, but software we need is simply not avaliable in Linux. This is a big obstacle towards an MSfree life.

    Then, the desktops. All these Win machines on the desktops require far too much attention. Many of them are > 5 years old and need to be replaced. So this is a good time to migrate towards OSS. So I gave a KDE desktop machine a try --> endless hassle with MS office formats, OpenOffice crawls, users dislike it because it's not Windows, 1 GHz + 256 MB RAM needed etc etc. My conclusion is that it is not the MS desktops which are the problem. Maybe some might be better off with Linux desktops but I think the gain will never be more than 10%, if at all.
    The real problem is that there is an overly complex machine at every desk capable of gazillion CPU cycles per sec and able to process GB of data, for what? Writing an invoice (3 kB data) or booking something into an accounting system (234 bytes data). That's what 80% of all workplaces are like. For these 80%, all these diskussions about which desktop is the best are regularly missing the point. That's why I will give thin clients a try. So my idea is: big server machine for those 80 %, old PCs as thin clients, typical desktop with 4 buttons: e-mail, web, write_a_letter, modify_database; Linux or MACs for the remaining 20% (mostly designers). This will take a long time to set up, because there are no off-the-shelf solutions. So the 2nd big obstacle is: there are no experts available to help SMBs. My wife's company would still be locked in Windows if I were not around. Businesses of this size cannot afford a full-time sysadmin. If Joe Fashion or Jill Plumber needs a network for their 5 employees business, they will always end up with MS, provided by the local we-sell-computers shop.

    For SMBs, the break even for OSS is still far, far away.

  25. Freedom from hassles by wayne · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I installed linux on a redundant P3 lying around and set things up because I didnt want to hit the management with a bill for some fancy UNIX solution, andI'm just used to linux.

    I think the freedom to "just do it" is as significant a factor as the free price and the freedom to modify the code. The ability to download open source software, install it on an old, redundant computer, and play around with it without having to ask anyone for permission or money is a huge factor. Even if the techie knows that his boss will probably approve the money, it is still a hassle. The boss might say "no", the boss might not be around, the boss might use the discussion to bring up other, unpleasant things, such as WTF those clueless users in Marketing are demanding right now.

    Of course, this "freedom from hassles" is also why people use the software that is installed by default on the computers they buy instead of going through the hassles of downloading OSS. It does cut both ways. This changes when it is time to upgrade the system, and then the hassle factor comes back in. If you can upgrade that Win98 box to Linux without having to get permission, then even if the TCO is higher for OSS, it will still get done.

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  26. RH 9.0 & NetGEAR Wireless worked first time! by jobsagoodun · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The point I switched over to RH for work was when it set up the display & wireless card on my notebook straight out of the box. Goodbye Win2K. The only app I'm really missing is AutoRoute - for most things OpenOffice is just fine. Its a bit sad that there isn't more educational software for Linux - all the stuff in PC World is for PCs. Having said that my kids are happy enough with mame, doom, pingus etc...

  27. Re:Different here by sumiciu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, as the previous poster says, you must be a Linux consultant. I have spent the past five years doing some consulting jobs around all Spain, about twenty medium companies, and all I can say I have seen is about half a dozen Linux servers, mainly in file and web server tasks. Most of the remaining servers run Windows 2000, and there even were a couple of ancient HP 9000 running HP-UX.

  28. This says it all by mormop · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If so, a Microsoft spokesperson did not show it when he gave a cool response about his company's faith in the free market -- a safe bet when that company owns over 90 percent of the market for desktop-productivity suites, according to Wilcox's research.

    and

    Hiser said that OpenOffice version 1.1, due this week, can translate Microsoft files with an accuracy of 90 percent.
    But anything less than 100 percent is not good enough, Wilcox noted.


    So at the end of the day, why all the poncing around with Media Player and Explorer at the anti-trust trial. Bundling these two packages into Windows pales into insignificence in the MS monopoly when compared to the constantly changing and jealously guarded MSOffice file formats.

    Until Microsoft is forced to compete on the quality and features of MS Office (neither of which are worth the price over OO.org) as opposed to locking everyone else out with convoluted file structures they will have a stranglehold on business.

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  29. ClarkConnect! by Ira-Waru · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think that ClarkConnect (free as in beer for the home edition) is exactly what the community needs to make inroads in the SOHO: take an old computer, put in two nic cards, pop the CD in the drive, answer about ten questions (mostly everything autodetects), and you've got a small business server.

    Web based administration (you don't have to touch the cli), samba, firewire, vpn, antispam/anitvirus filters, apache, email/DNS backup. Best of all, there's a solid community behind it.

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  30. Re:Not my biz by Sphere1952 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I run Debian, and your suggestion chills my spine. Most people should install a distro without too many options. Red Hat, Mandrake -- anything which has been commercialized. Not Debian, and probably not Slakware.

    No wonder you think that non-techie users should run windoze.

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  31. Re:Different here by bygimis · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey - I looked out of the Window and didn't see any chinses people! All that crap about 1/5 of the worlds population - its a boax!

  32. I am beginning to see the shift by ducomputergeek · · Score: 3, Informative

    I work as a technology consultant, independant mainly to very small mom and pop shops and small offices. Many have upgraded PC's in the last few months and just now have Office XP/2002 and here 2003 is comming out at the end of the month.

    These people express a disgust that every 18 months, what the buy today won't be powerful enough to run that in the future and its been cheaper to buy $700 boxes every 2 years and chuck 'em than to go through, upgrade hardware and software.

    Many more use FreeBSD and Linux daily. I have helped 4 businesses set up ecommerce sites through Yahoo, they have no idea what the hell FreeBSD is, but that is what powers their site.

    Also, I have a portable FreeBSD box called my Apple iBook that many take a look at and two mom & pop stores have switched to using Macs for Point of sale and other uses and love them because they are easy to use and don't crash.

    I started out in the graphics/video production field with wedding businesses and most switched around 2000 - 2001 to Dell's and PC's. Many are now switching back to mac because of their lost time and work with system crashes.

    Now to the kicker: I set-up a Linux or FreeBSD box with KDE set up and most people can pick up how to launch Mozilla and Netscape w/o any proablems. In fact over the next two weeks, I am converting one office over to Linux on all of their PIII 700 boxes they have. Total cost: About $2540. ($2500 to hire me to do it, $40 for a copy of RH). Most couldn't tell a difference between OpenOffice's Spreadsheet and Excell and since it can read/write MS office formats (at least for now) they have interoperatblity.

    Their office file/print server has been Linux for "at least two years" one employee remarked, but I don't know I didn't set up their LAN. Well I know its RH 6.2 on IBM hardware, how long its been there...

    Why did they switch? They had spent over $6000 US in the last two years just on support calls to wipe off viruses on these machines not to mention the cost in lost time due to data being lost and computer downtime. The hardest issue was to find a replacement for their accounting/payroll/inventroy software. So I recommended buying one new Dell just to run the software package as it would proably take longer and be a hell of a lot more to reset up 4 years of data on a new system and the PR person wanted an iMac, so I recommended getting her one so she can run QuarkXpress and Photoshop.

    People and businesses are sick and tired the MS upgrade game every 18 months and I think Linux is poised to make some grounds in the business world. Red Hat and SuSE has done a wonderful job of taking Linux from Geekdom to so easy grandma could use it. Still the lack of commerical software is hurting the platform. OpenOffice has made some tremendous gains in terms of functionality to the point where it now can be used.

    Special software is getting there too, like the NOLA Enterprise Resource Planning software, phpprojekt group ware, are good resources for medium sized businesses. What is lacking is some good small business software like Quickbooks that is extremely easy to use and designed for small business. Maybe there is something out there, I just havn't found it yet.

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    "The problem with socialism is eventually you run out of other people's money" - Thatcher.
  33. Give a man a fish by fwarren · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Give a man a fish, and he will be bound to MicroSoft products. Teach a man to fish, and he can use any program he wants.

    Instead of teaching general word processing concepts. I.E. text can be selected, then cut, copied, pasted, files can be saved and opened. Margins need to be set. Text can be delt with on a character level, word level, sentence level, paragraph level, then in some programs in "sections" or pages" or with "styles".

    If you teach these concepts, then someone can set down at a new wordprocessor they have not seen before, take an inventory of the tools available, and they style (Word is paragraph based, built around sections, Wordperfect is character based, built around pages). Then they can get to work and be productive.

    If you have been trained in how to use Word (or any other wordprocessor), click here, pick this menu option, you are lost in a new program, especially if you rely on where things are at on the menu.

    A vocational school should teach MSWord, or WordPerfect or OpenOffice, or whatever a student would feel is the WordProcessor they need to learn how to use to get a job. Or what the local job market is demanding for entry level word processing skills.

    A regular school or college should teach WordProcessing concepts and theory. Students should be exposed to several different word prcoessors and DTP programs after having some theory, and then the class should focus on basic mastery of one product.

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  34. Helping out small biz by dumping MS Office.... by im+a+fucking+coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been asked for help over the past couple of years for by a small business contractor, but have always bumped up against the OpenOffice translation problem, so just helped with with the File/Print server on RH.

    Finally, I said to hell with MS in any new office installs unless they don't want my help. Amazingly, OpenOffice works like hell on wheels when it isn't having to translate screwed up table formats, etc., and the contractor is able to lower his price for desktop support by a third because of far fewer infected/BSD'd machines. (Admittedly, he's really scoring here because his daily calls dropped by more than 70% at the new sites, and emergency calls stopped altogether.)

    I guess the moral of the story is, make a clean break from MS whenever possible to realize the greatest efficiency increase, period.

    BTW, none of those linux servers / desktops have ever lost any data or 'blue screened'. Newest versions of Mozilla seem to be THE exception, and the users can handle these problems ~90% of the time.