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And They Shall Know You By Your Books

Val42K writes "People have been concerned about provisions of the Patriot Act that would grant law enforcement access to your library records. Now libraries are considering placing RFID tags into books instead of barcodes. The RFID tags will (supposedly) be turned off when you check out of the library, but could they be turned back on? What about the possibility of you being located and tracked by the books that you carry?"

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  1. RFID is inevitable by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I didn't realize RFID tags could be turned off. Are they not basically passive "reflectors", powered by the scanner's signal?

    Anyway - from a privacy perspective there is much to fear about how RFID will be misued. However, as a geek I can not overlook the incredible myriad of practical uses for them. To be pragmatic about it, I'm quite sure that such uses will override the privacy concerns in the long run, just as credit cards have done to cash, for example. The best we can do, I think, is to push for sane privacy legislation like we don't have for banking.

    I mean, how cool would it be if you ran a restaurant, for example, and you never had to keep track of what food to order? Your garbage can would just detect that your chef had thrown a tomato can, and add a new can of tomatoes to the next delivery. I can think of a thousand practical uses for RFID and I suggest that any geek with foresight should be thinking not about how to stop RFID, but how to protect our privacy in a world which will inevitably be filled with billions of the little things.

    1. Re:RFID is inevitable by seanadams.com · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's simple. While waiting to be seated, each of your customers would receive an injection containing an RFID tying them to your restaurant. Then their feces would be inspected later to determine what food had been consumed, and the system would report back to your inventory control process.

    2. Re:RFID is inevitable by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Exactly the way I look at it; RFID tags are just *so* cool from a practical standpoint they are simply inevitable. You say that you could think of a thousand practical uses for RFID, and while I know that's a figure of speech, if push came to shove you probably *could* think of a thousand uses. Maybe not a million though. ;)

      These things get their power through inductance, do they not? So what's wrong with, say, using a small amount of inducted power to read the data they contain, but a larget amount will induce enough power to pop an incorporated fuse? I'm sure the tinfoil hat brigade will have their doubts, but for these things to be useful, they've got to be able to transmit, and that means they can be detected.

      Trying to get the things banned outright seems a bit like trying to prevent the sun from rising in the morning. Lobbying for a requirement that the things contain a permanent off switch however might stand a chance of success, and then we get the best of both worlds for a change.

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    3. Re:RFID is inevitable by jjshoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      There are two types of rfid tags, passive and active. Active tags can be read from quite a range. Passive tags, which is what the library range would mostly likely use, are simply an antenna that pics up a certain frequency which goes through the antenna and reports back its unique number to the reader. I completely agree with you view on the use of rfid. Infact my work uses networked rfid readers and electric door strikes to control access to buildings. there are so many good uses for rfid that we should stop fearing.

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    4. Re:RFID is inevitable by H310iSe · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm pretty sure you're right, they can't be turned off, without, as one poster suggested, destroying the tag (not sure that's even possible in a real-world situation). I looked into them for a project but was dissapointed in the read range (which is good news for privacy concerns) and the readers are still pretty expensive. If anyone knows about turning rfid tags on and off please post? I'm sure many people would be interested.

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    5. Re:RFID is inevitable by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I mean, how cool would it be if you ran a restaurant, for example, and you never had to keep track of what food to order? Your garbage can would just detect that your chef had thrown a tomato can, and add a new can of tomatoes to the next delivery.

      Sadly, that day is way off. Not because of any technology issue but a social one. I work at a gourmet food distributor, less that 30% of the chefs we support (internationally) even have e-mail yet. A company not too long ago tried putting PCs with DSL etc... into restaurants, they would foot the bill if they could broker ordering the food. In other words restaurateers simply sat down and pulled up a website and clicked on what they wanted. The nameless (to protect the unemployed) company went out of business as they could not even get it used for FREE. :-(

    6. Re:RFID is inevitable by jjshoe · · Score: 2, Informative

      they key is it is powerd up by, not it is powerd on and actively transmitting.

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    7. Re:RFID is inevitable by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      I'm not against the existence of RFID. I am against the widespread unannounced distribution of RFID, without education of consumers as to what it could mean. I don't feel the government necessarily has a responsibility to tell everyone just what data they are collecting, but I do feel that if they don't do that, they have a responsibility to explain to all of us what they could be doing. After all, they're our government, right? Either tell us everything, or at least make the game fair :)

      Our own government will use and abuse any technology possible to try to control us, label us, track us, and put us in boxes. Obviously all of us have different levels of control we're comfortable with. Some people are okay with the government running every aspect of their lives, and some people would really prefer to have no government whatsoever, and I think it's important that we make a world for as much of the spectrum as possible. (People who want total government control are always welcome to join the military.)

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    8. Re:RFID is inevitable by seanadams.com · · Score: 2, Informative

      "sane" and "legislation" in the same breath. Uyah.

      I'm glad someone caught that, as it's exactly what I was "writing between the lines". Just consider how absolutely fscked our bank and credit card regulations are, and you'll understand why that statement was really just a little jab at the fact that there's honestly no way in hell we can expect good privacy protection.

      Every US bank is required to report every transaction over $5K (maybe it's $10K these days) to the fed. You can't even move your money offshore privately - you're required to report it all and there's no way to access it without being tracked. My credit card company is allowed to sell my personal information and data about spending habits to anyone they want unless I take the time to opt out (just got the form from them today, in fact.) The IRS can get whatever information they want just by sending a letter. Shit, even cash transactions are recorded on video and linked to serial numbers embedded in the bills.

      I mean really, if you value your privacy above systems like electronic banking and efficient trade, then you have no choice to buy a shack in Montana and sever all ties with civilization. RFID, however, is not the kind of thing you can stop society from adopting. And if you think our government will volutarily track valuable goods any less than than they track legal tender, you're in for a big surprise.

  2. Barcodes are lame by v13inc · · Score: 3, Interesting

    RFIDs wouldnt be bad. If they threw one in your library card too, that would be good. You could then just grab your books, and walk out the doors, with it automatically being thrown on your card.

    1. Re:Barcodes are lame by spektr · · Score: 2, Funny

      RFIDs wouldnt be bad. If they threw one in your library card too, that would be good. You could then just grab your books, and walk out the doors, with it automatically being thrown on your card.

      That would be really comfortable. But don't forget: the Deathstar increases the intensity-level of its torture-ray every day you are late with returning the book. Better hurry up with this last chapter, or otherwise you won't breed.

    2. Re:Barcodes are lame by ewithrow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      My library is heading in this direction. They don't have RFID but they do have public scanners by the doors where you scan your card then your books and walk out. It works much like the self checkout lines at king soopers, only faster.

      Their website is great too. Just enter your card number and name and it will show you which books are checkout out and when they are due, and you can push a button to automatically renew every one for another 2 weeks. It sure beats taking a trip down to the library because you're going to need an extra weekend to finish that book.

      Getting back to the topic, I think that with a little thought many of the privacy concerns can be taken care of even with the RFID system in place. It sure would make it a lot easier to just walk out and you're automatically checked out, and in this case I think the benefits outweigh the concerns. They already have a database of what books you have checkout out! What more could they know!?

  3. Depends on how they code them... by jmorse · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The library here in San Francisco is considering doing just that. The point was made that privacy really depends on how they do the RFID tags: do they contain only the ISBN code or do they contain a serial number? Of course, any library could switch from the ISBN system to a serial number system at the bequest of Ashcroft and his thugs.

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    1. Re:Depends on how they code them... by YouHaveSnail · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seems to me that a serial number would actually be better in terms of securing your privacy. If the RFID sends back an ISBN, any knucklehead with a scanner can tell what books you've got in your bag. If it sends back a serial number, then they need access to the library's database in order to map serial numbers to titles. At least with serial numbers, you have some chance at privacy so long as the libary does the right thing in terms of protecting the database.

    2. Re:Depends on how they code them... by Klaruz · · Score: 3, Informative

      At least with serial numbers, you have some chance at privacy so long as the libary does the right thing in terms of protecting the database.

      Thanks to the patriot act, it's easy for authorities to get your library records. It's also illegal for the librarians to tell you they took your records, or that the authorities were even asking for records in general.

      Welcome to the new America.

    3. Re:Depends on how they code them... by bratgrrl · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean Amerika.

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    4. Re:Depends on how they code them... by Klaruz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I still like my country and work to change it. (I'm even a gov contractor.) So I try to avoid using words and phrases that may be considered disrespectful to it. I find it helps to give my arguments more credibility when trying to talk some sense into people.

      Feel free to keep using it yourself though. I'm fine with using whatever methods for change people think work best.

  4. What's that I hear? by cscx · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Oh yeah, black helicopters!

    Seriously, Slashdot seems to have no problem stifling technology when it gives rise to insane, improbable conspiracy theories.

  5. Well by Eudial · · Score: 2, Funny

    Why won't they just attatch a big sign saying "Hey! My name is foo bar, i'm working at foo doing bar, my homephone is +0160003960132, my political oppinions are foobar" to your back?

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  6. A book to read: by JessLeah · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury.

  7. Alternatives... by Ikari+Gendou · · Score: 3, Interesting
    • Read the book at the library
    • Photocopy the pages requires
    • Get someone *else* to check the book out for you
    • If it's recent enough, order/buy the book at a bookstore, use cash.
    Any other suggestions?
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  8. Complete nonsense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative
    The idea that your RFID tag can be tracked and monitored over a great distance is complete nonsense. The guy who submitted this needs to get a refund on that tinfoil hat of his.

    Nothing like a really dumb conspiracy theory to hold back progress. People, these tags are readable up to a few inches. Maybe a foot at most. They are nothing but glorified bar codes. Good for tracking inventory at most.

    Do you use credit? Do you have a license? SIN? Bank card? Trust me, you have more things to worry about being tracked by than your stupid library purchases.

    1. Re: Complete nonsense by gidds · · Score: 3, Informative
      Which gives the power-curve law a whole new spin; power doesn't drop as the square of the distance, but as the square of double the distance

      I hate to spoil such a powerful bit of writing with some mundane maths, but there's no difference between the two. If one quantity is inversely proportional to the square of another, then it's also inversely proportional to the square of any multiple of that other; the only effect is to change the constant of proportionality.

      Of course, neither is terribly friendly to a technological implementation, but the wide spread of mobile phones (especially here in the UK) shows that such problems aren't insurmountable.

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    2. Re:Complete nonsense by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Most of those things you list are not managed or handled by the federal government at all.

      But most of them receive some federal funding, so it seems to me that they have some say on what is installed where. Or, they are federally regulated; same thing.

      Way too expensive. Tracking you simply by the forms you fill out is cheaper and eaiser.

      That is much slower than realtime. At least it involves some lag behind you.

      You clearly have no clue about how this works. Even if the transmitter was made more powerful, it does you no good, because the tag itself isn't powerful enough to send the reply that distance. Remember that radio is a two way street. Just because one end can talk to the other doesn't mean the other end can talk back. And making a self-powered amplifier small enough to talk back that distance would be nearly impossible.

      Using a high-gain antenna will amplify the received signal. Doing a little processing on the received signal, and amplifying that signal, can result in a useful signal in cases where the ordinarily specified reception equipment would not be adequate. In addition, using a highly focussed directional antenna can minimize noise and further improve gain. Filtering at both analog and digital levels can be used to further clean the signal. There are many things you can do to improve the quality of your signal which will not be commonly used in commercial RFID applications because they are simply unnecessary, which will be done in order to do both legitimate and illicit tracking of RFID tags.

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    3. Re:Complete nonsense by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Informative
      So you want visible radar dishes, hmm? Oh yeah, the public is really not going to wonder whats going on then.

      The last time I checked, the usual microwave antennas used for high speed point to point links don't look like dishes, they look like drums. That's just a weather seal but it underlines the fact that it is possible to cover them and still have them work. You could disguise them as, say, speakers. Then you don't even need anything but cloth over them - but there are plastics which do not significantly get in the way of receiving such signals.

      There are many things you can do to improve the quality of your signal which will not be commonly used in commercial RFID applications because they are simply unnecessary, which will be done in order to do both legitimate and illicit tracking of RFID tags.
      All of which require time, energy, money, a place to set it up outside the public's eye, things that are not simply practical. CCTV cameras work much better for tracking the general public.

      The costs of producing this type of hardware are falling all the time, and are not really that much in any case. By the time we have widespread distribution of RFID tags, to the point where it's really worth doing this, people will be building robots out of legos that do the very same thing I'm talking about.

      Also, cameras have to transmit a lot of data, and that means wires, or expensive high-speed wireless connections. Not to mention, if they are exposed, they are easy to defeat with a laser, by simply pointing it at the lens, and overloading the CCD. So if we're talking about the concealment aspect, the very same issue is present with cameras, but however they are concealed, they must receive light. It's actually going to be harder to hide a camera capable of delivering much of an image (which implies both lens and CCD of a certain size) than it is to hide the antenna for a RFID scanner.

      Also let's not forget that not only is RFID not a lot of data, it's a tiny amount of data. Even if you have enough intelligence on the camera to send just a few face shots and dimension information, say, for anyone who strays into reach, it's still a shitload more information than some small (just a few bytes) unique values. And let us not forget that face recognition software apparently has a long way to go before it's useful, so that's no method for reducing the amount of data to send.

      Cameras are nice but the cost of this radio shit is coming down faster than the cost of cameras. Sure, you can now buy a $50 CCD camera the size of a mini box of nerds, but the video quality is craptacular so unless you're moving it around and doing a lot of processing, you can't get much out of it. Video is reactive, you come back to it later if you think it might have seen something. RFID will be proactive, it will let you know where an ID is right now and that is precisely why we should be concerned.

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  9. Range by CaptBubba · · Score: 4, Informative
    The range of RFID tags is not long enough to make tracking you by them possible.

    This will just make checking out books a bit easier. Walk through the RFID scanner, swipe you library card, and walk out. The "man" can track your book useage by your library card anyway.

    Also, every library I've been in has had those theft prevention devices that beep like crazy if you pass one of the books through them. This could make it a bit easier for the library to figure out just what book got taken.

    This seems like an actual good use for RFID. It should be carefully eyed, but not just dismissed because RFID is somehow involved.

    1. Re:Range by 7*6 · · Score: 2, Informative

      In fact, most library tags have very early generation RFID tags in them. basically there's only one switch inside them (one = not checked, zero = checked out).

      You mentioned that there really isn't much of a range on RFID tags, and this is very true. the infrastructure that would be needed to effectively "track" someone using a library book tag would be MASSIVE. first of all, long range readers are hugely expensive, and often require active tags which can cost $5 to who knows what each (an probably only last a couple of years max). Second, these readers would have to be put EVERYWHERE in order to track you.

      For now, people shouldn't worry about privacy invasion on a high level (yes - it's easy to track what books you take out, but that's been going on for years) for two reasons:

      1) To tag an entire library would cost a fortune, as small tags still cost at minimum 20 cents each when bought in huge volume. Only the largest companies are investing in these things for their products (we all remember the announcement about Gilette).

      2) It's rediculously easy to prevent an RFID tag from being read - just put it up against some metal. the clearance has to be something like 35 mm to be read.

  10. I fail to see by nuclear305 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    the big deal behind these things. What exactly are people doing that they are so paranoid that people are watching/tracking them? If you're just another regular Joe who is going to take the time to abuse this technology and use it against you?

    If you've attracted enough attention to yourself that someone is trying to track/stalk/gather information about you...chances are they'll do it any way they can and not say "Oh poo, I wish I could use RFID tags against this person!" and give up.

  11. Hmm.. by adeyadey · · Score: 4, Funny

    Better return that copy of 1984 I took out the other day. Now wheres that bottle of Victory Gin I had?

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  12. Tinfoil by motyl · · Score: 5, Informative

    Simply pack the books you borrow into tinfoil, or an aluminium case. It is really very easy to cut radio waves around small objects.

    You could just shield the inside of your bag with any metal foil.

  13. Passive RFID has a small range by mistermund · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've been researching RFID quite a bit in the past few days - we're planning to use it for an application to greet visitors in our building. The problem is that so called "passsive" tags (without batteries, powered by RF from the antenna) have a maximum range of 1.5 to 2 meters - and that's with the big gate type antennas used for most store theft prevention.

    Active RFID contains a battery and can be tracked much further away, from 6 to 100ft, but it's impractical b/c the tags are expensive ($10+) and somewhat large. Many automated toll collection systems use active RFID.

    Also, not all RFID systems are compatible. So unless the guv'mnt decides to install those big gate antennas all over your local neighborhood, this whole passive RFID paranoia is mainly just FUD.

  14. I need a bigger microwave... by SenatorTreason · · Score: 4, Funny

    Sheesh. Now I have to microwave my library books as well? I wonder if they'll mind the books coming back smelling like hot dogs?
    StopRFID FAQ

    1. Re:I need a bigger microwave... by Demodian · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can the Miss November centerfold survive this treatment as well without smelling like hot dogs? She looks a bit odd with the RFID belly button piercing...

  15. A likely story by mblase · · Score: 5, Funny

    Date: the not-so-distant future
    Time: 9:37 PM
    Location: Chicago, unspecified subway stop

    A student gets off the train onto a semi-darkened platform, the only one there. He checks his watch, tries not to panic. He needs to get back to his apartment, and fast. He has a term paper to write and only thirty-three hours left to do it.

    As he heads for the revolving gate, he's blocked by a stranger in a dark suit, dark glasses, and a hat. The hat obscures whatever features the glasses leave visible. He speaks. His tone tells the student that he is very, very serious about what he has to say.

    "Roger Thomas Richardson." The stranger adjusts his posture, hands in his pockets, features still obscured. "Age twenty-two, unmarried. Profession: university student. Major: Far Eastern religion. GPA: 3.8 and dropping, but your advisor believes you have a chance to change that." He pauses, takes a slow breath. "Am I correct?"

    "Who... who are you?" says Roger, trying badly to hold his ground. "What do you want from me?"

    "What do I want?" The stranger takes a piece of folded paper from his pocket, unfolds it, makes a gesture of reading it. "I want a book, Mister Richardson. Specifically the book A Contemporary Analysis of World Religions by Chang A. Yin, ISBN number 079236139X, published 1982. Copy number one of one held by the Chicago Public Library." He refolded the paper, stuck it back in his pocket, straightened his coat. "You're overdue, Mister Richardson."

    "What? I... I thought I had three weeks... I called, they said...."

    "You called to renew, Mister Richardson, but you have been denied that renewal. There is another student in your class who needs that book just as badly as you do. More badly, in fact. If he does not complete his paper in time with a spectacular passing grade, there are...certain people who will be very disappointed. Very disappointed indeed, Mister Richardson."

    The stranger reached inside his coat, took something from the breast pocket. It was a pair of scissors. They gleamed in the fluorescent lights of the subway. Two men, unheard, grabbed Richard's arms from behind and twisted them around his back. Richard could feel his shoulder try to dislocate under the pressure. He winced, tried not to scream in pain, and failed.

    "We want that book now, Mister Richardson. We know you have it on you. And when we have the book, we want you to give us..." he snipped the scissors once, the metallic snip echoing again and again down the subway tunnels. He grinned, and his perfect white teeth were reflected perfectly for Richard in the blades of the scissors.

    "...we want your library card."

  16. A New Way To Meet People! by Disco+Stew · · Score: 5, Funny


    SELECT RFID FROM tLibrary WHERE Gender = 'Female' AND Married = 0 AND BookCat = 'RomanceNovels'

    Address = GetGPSLoc(RFID)

    "Well hello there, lonely lady. My name is Quagmire. He Heh, Alllll right!"

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  17. Automatic enforcement by Animats · · Score: 2, Funny

    Once saw a student at Stanford go charging out of the library through a turnstile, unaware that the turnstile was connected to the uncharged-book detector. The turnstile locked and he was bent double over the turnstile bar.

  18. The big question: whose tag is it? by Tau+Zero · · Score: 3, Insightful
    These things get their power through inductance, do they not? So what's wrong with, say, using a small amount of inducted power to read the data they contain, but a larget amount will induce enough power to pop an incorporated fuse?
    That's fine if the tag is part of something that belongs to you. What do you do if the tag is part of something that belongs to the library? Are you going to "pop" the tag (with what?) before you walk out the door with the book, and then pay the library to re-enter the book in their inventory (which is probably indexed by the tag ID number) when you return it?

    Aye, there's the rub.

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  19. RFID? Cool! by Madcapjack · · Score: 3, Interesting

    So, everyone is worried about privacy. I am too. But maybe, just maybe the real solution is not to secure privacy, but to completely eliminate privacy from the top to the bottom. No privacy for me. No privacy for you. And no privacy for Bush either. No privacy for CEO's, secretaries, geeks, diplomats, even private detectives. Not for the cops, certainly, and not for the FBI either. Its all there for everyone to see, anytime. So, if they can track my reading habits, I sure as hell should be able to track theirs. Just maybe it would work. Sounds crazy, but maybe. What scares me about privacy violations is not so much that my privacy is violated, but that the footing between me and the snoop are not equal...that they have power and authority to spy on me, but I do not have the power and authority to spy on them.

  20. Re:The big question: whose tag is it? by Zocalo · · Score: 2, Insightful
    If it's something you are loaning, a library book, DVD, car or whatever, then no, you wouldn't zap the RFID. Why would you want to when your privacy is far more likely to be compromised by some script kiddie breaking into the computer that stores the loan information than someone getting within a few meters of you with a RFID scanner? The only additional thing that the library gets out of RFID tags is convenience, which to an extent, you share in when you loan the book. They can still have a computer that contains your details and a list of the books you have loaned with the current system if they wanted to.

    Yes, there are potential privacy issues with RFID tags, but with the right combination of legal requirements and *technology* they can be overcome. We're supposed to be good with technology around here, "News for Nerds" and all, and this *is* a technology problem at heart, so instead of just bitching about the issues, why not solve them and have our cake as well as eat it?

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  21. It still scares me. by LiberalApplication · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...because the same way your garbage can could keep track of what you're tossing out, someone else could walk by your place on trash-pick-up-day and discern from all of the RFID tags in your waste that you lare likely elderly (tags present for hearing aid batteries and Metamucil), have a cold (tags present for Tylenol Flu and Cold), have a really severe cold (tags present for four boxes of Kleenex), own decent stereo equipment (tags present from packaging for monster audio patch cables and old issues of Hi-Fi magazines), a small dog (tags present for Purina Small Dog Chow), have a visiting infant (tags present for Pampers), and isn't the fact that this information would be available not only in your trash, but on your own body as you're walking around, isn't that the least bit scary to anyone else?

  22. I've Quit Worrying (some) by annielaurie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I use something called an EZ-Pass, a device that lets me drive on toll roads in the Middle Atlantic, debiting a pre-paid account. It's cheap, convenient, and I don't have to experience panic each time I approach an exact-change lane. I had the interesting experience a year ago of using it to drive all the way from Maryland to the Peace Bridge between Buffalo and Canada; never had to shell out a dime, and each toll was about half the posted price. Most places have dedicated lanes, too.

    Yeah. I know they could use it to track me. They could somehow link it back to my bank account. They could probably even watch and bust me for speeding.

    My brother in law thinks I'm crazy to allow one of these devices of the Devil into my automobile. He no longer uses his home computer because he's convinced that his ISP (Verizon) has nothing better to do than to track his every move online. He pays cash for all but the largest purchases, won't use an affinity card for his groceries, and doesn't visit ATM's (jeeze, remember standing in line at the bank to get a check cashed?). He has no spare or leisure time because the very housekeeping of life takes him twice or three times as long as it does the rest of us. He makes my particular life miserable on every visit because I merrily use credit cards, ATM's, discount cards, an EZ-Pass, and my computer.

    Yeah, I could probably have lots more privacy than I do. But you know what? Life's short. There are big things to worry about and there are little things. Worry about too many of the little things and you become as miserable as my brother in law. For some reason, I place sneaky library books squarely in the "don't sweat this" category. At least for now.

    Anne

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    1. Re:I've Quit Worrying (some) by ChaosDiscord · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I use something called an EZ-Pass,...Yeah. I know they could use it to track me. They could somehow link it back to my bank account.

      As a general rule I don't worry as much about the government. If the government is out to get me, I'm boned.

      However, consider the ramifications of an individual out to get you. If the government has the information, you have to consider that a dirty government agent might sell it

      Of course, who might attack you? Now, maybe you live the boring life and have no potential enemies. Good for you, everyone should be so lucky. But many people do have to worry. Get into a messy divorce? Your ex-spouse may be interested in whatever dirt they can dig up on you. Perhaps your religious views are unpopular where you live, but you can't afford to move. Someone who hates your religion might notice that the times and locations of your trips correspond to visiting a religious site.

      jeeze, remember standing in line at the bank to get a check cashed?

      Not really. I only started banking after ATMs were moderately common. Thanks to people using ATMs, my bank usually has no lines. I find it funny to occasionally pass busy ATMs to arrive at my line-free bank.

      He has no spare or leisure time because the very housekeeping of life takes him twice or three times as long as it does the rest of us.

      I find that surprising. I do most (but not all) of the same things he does and I find it has little to no impact on my life. It really doesn't take any longer. I'm a bit baffled as to how not using an affinity card takes more time.

      That said, maybe those remaining things he does make the difference...

      He no longer uses his home computer because he's convinced that his ISP (Verizon) has nothing better to do than to track his every move online. ... doesn't visit ATM's

      I suspect your brother is getting a bit unhinged. Part of making decisions like these is seriously considering what the risk is. There aren't any real privacy implications of using an ATM provided you consistently use a small set in locations already associated with you. Using the ATM in your grocery store links you to the grocery store. But using the ATM nearest to your home or office just links you to using convient ATMs. Not using his computer? At all? Or just online? There are solutions, and if you're completely unwilling to trust anyone, well, he needs some help.

      For some reason, I place sneaky library books squarely in the "don't sweat this" category. At least for now.

      Freedom to read is an essential element for democracy. To ensure that everyone has this freedom, we have public libraries to help ensure that everyone, no matter how poor, can learn on their own. To really have freedom to read, you need freedom to read anonymously. If you're afraid of the ramifications of reading something, you are effectively censoring it. Another wave of McCarthyism might drum up another irrational wave of hatred of communism. Suddenly a list of who has checked out and read Karl Marx's books would be very useful for tracking down people deemed to be unamerican. Perhaps the list was gained from library records (a reason many libraries do not maintain records longer than necessary), or through hidden RFID monitors on the sidewalk by the library scanning your books and your RFID library card (or one of the many other RFID items purchased on your credit card). As a friend pointed out, "Once you've burned the books, you have to track down everyone who read the books and burn them too."

      It's highly unlikely, but government must be held to the highest standards.

    2. Re:I've Quit Worrying (some) by kirkjobsluder · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Freedom to read is an essential element for democracy. To ensure that everyone has this freedom, we have public libraries to help ensure that everyone, no matter how poor, can learn on their own. To really have freedom to read, you need freedom to read anonymously. If you're afraid of the ramifications of reading something, you are effectively censoring it. Another wave of McCarthyism might drum up another irrational wave of hatred of communism. Suddenly a list of who has checked out and read Karl Marx's books would be very useful for tracking down people deemed to be unamerican. Perhaps the list was gained from library records (a reason many libraries do not maintain records longer than necessary), or through hidden RFID monitors on the sidewalk by the library scanning your books and your RFID library card (or one of the many other RFID items purchased on your credit card). As a friend pointed out, "Once you've burned the books, you have to track down everyone who read the books and burn them too."

      A lot of this paranoia is based on the belief that law enforcement does not have much easier methods to discover what we are reading than to standardize RFID tags across thousands of library systems and place sensors at convenient locations. Linking a book to you through RIFD would require having the complete library catalog plus access to your purchases as well. Why go through this when a basic subpoena will do the trick most of the time?

      The basic problem with this handwringing is that it treats privacy as a technical problem rather than a social problem. If the black hats want to know that you are reading, they can find out now. Mitnick and Schneier have both pointed out that the weakest link in any form of security and privacy is social and psychological rather than technical. Social engineering has always been the most powerful tool of law enforcement and spies, and is likely to continue to be for the forseeable future.

      Meanwhile, RFID tags have the pontential to solve problems that cost a heck of a lot in terms of time, money and energy. I can't count how much time I've wasted (and the library has wasted on me) in looking for materials that have been misshevlved, stolen, or lost between departments.

      What you said in your conclusion is the answer to the problem. The government must be held to the highest standards. Privacy is not going to be won by a kneejerk reaction against new technology by the tinfoil hat sect of the EFF. It will be won in the courts by demanding that law enforcement be held to the highest standards of probable cause before access to library databases become useful to them.

  23. Jebus, get a grip. by commodoresloat · · Score: 3, Funny

    Anybody that wants the above information can find it out by knocking on the door on some pretense and taking a quick peek inside. This whole thing is silly. If I wanted to track someone after they left the library I would follow them home. They're likely to leave the book at home anyway, or wherever else they read it, so it's hardly a useful tracking device. I suppose there might be something to worry about if every book was also implanted with a GPS transmitter or something.... Even then it's pretty laughable... two Homeland Security employees staring at a large screen in the war room ... "Look, over here, Bob. See that red dot? An unusual concentration of Kafka, Kierkegaard, and Kropotkin. You know what that means?" "Ummm, potential existentialist radical?" "No -- he's in the KKK! Get it? Hahaha I crack myself up. No really, though, let's have him interrogated just for the fuck of it."

  24. infodynamics: not just a good idea, it's the LAW by Doc+Ruby · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When something happens, it leaves evidence. While more esoteric (Godelian) boundaries of knowability are debatable, we act like everything that happens can be known. But we also act with a sense of privacy - even those who believe that Liberty is an illusion, don't deny that the *illusion* exists, and we operate within it. Keeping our privacy is more a matter of social engineering, where people are protected from people, than technology engineering, where people are protected from things. Rather than outlaw RFID tech, engineers can put RFID scanners in mobile phones, and entrepreneurs can put eShopping networks into stores to help customers shop. This empowers consumers with the same cheap tech as the producers, getting more value out of the expense, and putting the privacy issues in *everyone's* hands, where we can work it out as an extension of accepted custom. We live in an inherently P2P universe, which is very flexible and comfortable for those of us who can constructively adapt to our advantage in it.

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  25. ALA champions privacy by Whiskey+Jack · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you'd like to discard some of the paranoia now, Librarians are probably geeks best friends when it comes to championing personal liberty, privacy and free speech.

    The ALA didn't simply back down at the records seizure provisions in the PATRIOT act, they have fought it every way they can: from petitioning local congressional reps, to finding technological solutions to the privacy issues raised.

    Hell, one library here in Iowa has a sign by the circulation desk that says "The FBI has not been here today." (The PATRIOT act says they cannot tell you that the FBI has visited a library asking for circulation records. It does not, however, say that the library is prohibited from saying the FBI hasn't been there.) If government agents ever do visit, the sign will disappear.

  26. We're already using them at UCONN by akmolloy · · Score: 4, Informative
    We've been using RFID tags at the University of Connecticut Library for the past year. It's more of a theft deterrent than anything else right now, but has the potential for much more.

    At the exit station, patrons must walk through a barrier that reads the RFID tag, and looks up the tag in the database of all books currently checked out. If it fails the test, an alarm sounds (and the little exit bar locks)and the patron is asked if they might have something in their bag that they forgot to check out.

    The greatest thing about these is the ability to do inventory of a huge amount of books at one using a portable wand/PDA type device. You can rpogram it to beep when a book is found, etc.

    Anyway... the RFID tags are not "turned off" at all, and this is not even an option on the types of tags we buy to put in the books. It seems rather silly to me that anyone would even be worried about it. So what if someone "reads" the tag as you walk by on the street? It's just a sequence of numbers that means nothing to anyone but the Library.

  27. You're right. by LiberalApplication · · Score: 2, Interesting
    ...but I think I still have a point. Sure, the same could be done with a little effort and devotion and surveillance, and whatnot, but the fact that it will become exponentially easier to carry out these tasks is what bugs me. Sure, there are all sorts of criminals (and government agencies) who will take the time to sift through your refuse and follow you around, but if Ron Popeil were to release over television infomercials a Ronco Scanomatic, then any Joe who would otherwise be too lazy and stupid to become a prosperous miscreant could get a head start on the path to figuring out what you own.

    I've said it before, but think about it. There's been talk of placing RFID tags in paper currency. Doesn't this mean that I could say, hang out in front of a bar at night, having a smoke, scanning everyone who stumbles out to see how much they're carrying? It'd be like having your cash and valuables taped to your head, instead of tucked away in your wallet and bag.

    Do you own an iPod? Top of the line? You carry that around with you everywhere. Same with your schwank new PDA/Phone. Do you advertise the fact that you're carrying a thousand dollars worth of gear when you're walking around the city at night? If everything has an RFID tag, you might as well.

    PS: Of course I'm paranoid! I'm a geek!

  28. RFID 101 by john.r.strohm · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sometimes, people panic when there is no reason to do so.

    Background: Texas Instruments invented RFID tags, as TIRIS (Texas Instruments RF Identification System, or some such). I was working at TI at the time, and TI is *VERY* good about blowing their own horn internally on new unclassified gadgets, in the hopes that other TIers will come up with interesting new applications for the new gadgets.

    The RFID transponder is a fairly clever device. You put in a fairly strong low-frequency RF field, and it rectifies enough power from the field to power a very limited microcontroller and transmitter, just enough to transmit a unique serial number that is burned into the transponder at manufacture time.

    The transponder has a VERY limited range, because of the power limitations.

    The serial number is NOT customer-programmable, for very good reasons. This lets them guarantee that every transponder is UNIQUE, and makes it IMPOSSIBLE to confuse your car keys with someone's missing prize bull when you go to the rodeo.

    The transponder has NO intelligence, beyond the ability to squeak out the burned-in serial number when it finds itself in a power field. That's it. The host computer has to convert that serial number into something useful.

    The specific design goal was for something that could be read WITHOUT CONTACT, as it walked (or drove) past a sensing point. The original goal was an implantable device, for livestock ID. One of the early applications was a drive-by tolltag.

    The only way you are going to be tracked in real-time by your RFID-equipped library books is if the government literally blankets the country in tolltag gates.

  29. Some myths that need exploding by riptalon · · Score: 4, Informative

    RFID tags only have a range of a few inches to a foot
    In fact companies have announced passive RFID tags with advertised ranges of 9 meters or more. Active tags can have ranges of miles. The very first RFID tags had very short ranges but the technology has improved and will no doubt continue to improve. The greater the range the more useful tags are (and the fewer recievers you need), even if they are not being used for surveilence. It is therefore highly likely that RFIDs will become even more surveilence friendly as time goes by. Directional receivers specially constructed for surveilence (similar to parabolic microphones) could no doubt increase the range at which tags could be scanned by at least an order of magnitude.

    RFID tags are fundamentally no different from barcodes
    RFID tags can be invisible and impossible to remove from a product. Barcodes by definition have to be visible and even if they are integeral to a product can covered or scratched out. Barcodes need a clear line of sight to work whereas RFIDs can work though significant amounts of covering depending on the material. It is impossible to use barcodes to track people in any meaningfully way (unless you force everyone to have one tatooed on their forehead), but RFIDs can make such tracking trivially easy and totally invisible.

    Surveilence using RFIDs will be too expensive and difficult
    If RFIDs are widely deployed then the receivers will have to be cheap. If every shop is going to have may of them, like they now have barcode reader, then they are not going to be extortionally expensive. Economies of scale mean that the police will be able to afford large numbers of receivers. It is also the case that you do not need to cover even a small fraction of a country to make surveilence work. All you need to do is place receivers at strategic high volume choke points where large numbers people pass by (entrances to buildings, traffic intersections etc.). Also the usefulness of handheld receivers, especially in crowds, cannot be underplayed.

    People exchanging tagged items will make surveilence impossible
    This is only true if very few (presumably expensive) items are tagged and so the average person only carries one or two tags around with them. Once RFIDs are unbiquitous most people will have a dozen or more tags on them so it will not matter if you bought your PDA on ebay or your shoes were a gift from you cousin. The majority of the tags will be traceable to you. If fact at this point this effect becomes a positive advantage surveilencewise, since it will make it possible to track associations between people without seeing them meet. If you are carrying a cheap ball point pen that was bought by someone living twenty miles from you then there is a high probabilty that you know each other (or have a mutual friend).

    Tags will really come into their own once they are are in a large fraction of products. At this point most people will have at least a dozen tags on them most of the time and the majority of these tags will be traceable to them through the initial purchase. In fact even if such purchase records were not kept (which they certainly will be) or the government didn't have access to them (which seems unlikely given the present climate) it wouldn't really matter.

    RFIDs are like having a dozen or so unique ID numbers stamped on you as you walk around. The numbers may vary as you swap clothes, shoes, and items like pens, wallets, PDAs, keyrings etc., but all that is needed is one instance where they scan all your RFIDs and know who you are. Such situations might include security checks at airports, being stopped by the police or any number of other situations.

    Once the govenment has a list of RFIDs you were carrying at one particular time it will be trivial to correlate that against previous scans of unknown individuals to work out all the RFIDs that you routinely carry arou

  30. Librarians are Your Friend by waldoj · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Remember that many librarians are hard-core civil libertarians. The ALA should be every geek's new best friend. Having served on a library board, I can tell you that most libraries as entities are quite concerned about privacy issues, doing all that they can to ensure that patrons leave as short of a data trail as is possible. (That is, they don't retain records of books that people have checked out [once they're returned], schedule their data backup system such that the trail of patron data is as short as possible, etc.)

    As both a geek/privacy nut and a library advocate, I am excited at the prospect of library books using RFID tags. The benefits to libraries will be enormous -- checkout and return will be greatly simplified, to say nothing of the ease of sorting and confirming placement of shelved books.

    I, for one, welcome my new library RFID overlords.

    -Waldo Jaquith