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Nokia Investigating Reported Cell Phone Explosions

Iphtashu Fitz writes "C|Net's news.com is reporting that a man in the Netherlands suffered burns to his leg when the Nokia phone in his pants pocket exploded. This is the second reported incident of Nokia phones exploding, the first one being back in August when a Dutch woman's phone exploded in her hand. Nokia blamed the first incident on a third party battery that the woman was using and warned customers to only use Nokia parts and accessories with their phones. However this most recent explosion involved a new Nokia phone with a Nokia battery installed."

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  1. This is scary by l810c · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I've had my most recent Nokia for 2 years. It can get Really Hot when I talk for a long time(>20 minutes). It actually gets uncomfortable to hold to my ear.

    Is it about to explode? Any links on what signs to look for before your cell phone battery explodes? A search for 'exploding battery' on Nokia.com didn't return any results. Seems like they should take a more proactive approach and at least issue a warning. I couldn't find any.

    1. Re:This is scary by sirvulcan · · Score: 3, Informative

      my phillips xenium got quite hot after long calls.. none of my nokia's get hot on long calls (3310 && 8210). Although i think i might keep a closer eye on them now> An offical warning would be reasonable

    2. Re:This is scary by Richard_L_James · · Score: 5, Funny
      > It can get Really Hot when I talk for a long time(>20 minutes).

      Does this have anything to do with the type of calls you are making ??

    3. Re:This is scary by Lost+Penguin · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Any links on what signs to look for before your cell phone battery explodes?"

      If the caller ID says "Mossad", do not answer.

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    4. Re:This is scary by a.koepke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I used to work for Radioshack/Tandy Electronics and have good experience with batteries. All rechargeable (and normal Alkaline) batteries heat up when large amounts of power are drawn from them. When you are on a call the phone is using the most power.

      We has remote control cars that took 10 NiCad AA batteries and lasted about 20 minutes. When you took out the batteries they were really hot due to how quickly the power had been drawn out of them.

      It is quite normal for a battery to heat up when it is put under a high load or used for an extended period of time. When its both, as in >20 minute call, I can understand that it would heat up quite a bit.

      The thing about this incident that I find concerning is that this phone exploded in the guys pocket when battery consumption is at its lowest. The other case mentioned was while the person was on the phone and if there is a defect that is when it would be most likely to show due to it being when the battery is under the highest load.

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    5. Re:This is scary by dougmc · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Its been said that lithium batteries can store close to the energy density of gasoline.
      Not quite. But it's getting up there ...
      NiMH batteries appear to have a different failure mode than lithium from overcharging. They just seem to degrade in performance.
      Actually, a NiMH or NiCd cell can also short itself out, especially if damaged in some way (like dropped.) This creates a `hot smoker' where the battery will get *very* hot (NiCds have lower internal resistances than NiMHs, so they get even hotter) and can even cause fires. But they don't usually explode ...
    6. Re:This is scary by cyril3 · · Score: 3, Insightful
      what signs to look for before your cell phone battery explodes

      Given that it has happened twice so far after they sold X million phones I'd worry more about lightning strikes if I was you.

    7. Re:This is scary by lgftsa · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, long distance calls use more power, as they have transmit the signal further.

      Talking loudly can mitigate this, as the AGC(automatic gain control) detects the higher volume, and so doesn't need to amplify the radio signal quite as much. Not a big saving, but every bit counts.

      You can also (if you have a phone with an external antenna) lean the tip of the antenna against a metal object(street sign, light post, scaffolding, etc) and the signal will be inducted into the object and act like a really big antenna. You can see this on those car antennas which are mounted on rear windows without drilling a hole - they use electromagnetic induction as well.

      Finally, if the signal is really boarderline, you can try changing the polarization of the signal from vertical to horizontal by holding the phone parallel to the ground. This is a trick used by people on the edge of TV coverage areas, and especially on campervans and RVs. Some antennas are even motorized so you don't have to get out and fool about with a spanner and the U-bolt.

      If nothing else works, try circular polarization. This is tricky, as you have to spin around with the phone's antenna as the center of rotation.

  2. Hey... by The+Human+Cow · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is that an exploding cell phone in your pants, or are you just happy to see me?

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  3. Verizon by damiena · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can you hear me now?

    *BOOM*

    1. Re:Verizon by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      *BOOM*...

      Can you hear me now? Cause I sure as hell can't hear you now...

  4. Big Deal!! by whiteranger99x · · Score: 4, Funny

    So you can say the message will self-destruct in 5 seconds.....

    They've been doing that in Mission Impossible for YEARS! :P

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  5. If this were America... by wrinkledshirt · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...you know those two poor souls would be getting sued by the company right about now.

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  6. IMPORTANT by I+don't+want+to+spen · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't set your ring tone to the 1812 overture ....

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  7. This sounds like ... by switched4OSX · · Score: 4, Informative

    what the Isreali Mossad used to (and probably still do) to suspected terrorist phones. Inside agent would swap his phone with one modified with plastic explosives. Then they would call the terrories, and when he put his ear to phone it would blow it off.

    1. Re:This sounds like ... by eggmit · · Score: 4, Funny

      I think it blew off more than his ear. If all they wanted was a removed ear, they could enlist the aid of Mike Tyson.

  8. Batteries do explode and its not just Nokia... by toupsie · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have a Microsoft Wireless Intellimouse that is powered by double-a batteries. On night, I was surfing the web and heard a loud POP. No, I wasn't surfing porn. I spent 5 minutes wondering where this loud sound came from. I looked at my tangled mess of power strips plugged into power strips. I looked all over and found nada. Then thinking I had just imagined the sound or had my ear pop for some reason, I went back to surfing but my mouse wouldn't work. Sure enough, one of the brand new, brand name double-a batteries exploded in the mouse. It destroyed the inside electronics of the mouse. Thank Microsoft uses a sturdy plastic in them or it could have been a very painful right hand.

    Remember, batteries are full of energy -- DUH! One defect and BAM! you have a little bomb after prolonged use. One reason you shouldn't throw them in a fire unless you are really drunk and have track shoes on.

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  9. Maybe if they spent more time working on phones by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 3, Informative

    Originally a tire company (!!!), Nokia has expanded quickly into other markets completely unrelated to the core of their business. Since they moved into the cell phone business, it seems to have become their top priority, however even this focus is slipping. They are turning towards building home entertainment appliances like set top boxes and TiVo-like devices. Unfortunately, like when they moved towards cell phones and their tire business suffered, their cell phone quality is sufferring because of this refocusing on new markets.

    1. Re:Maybe if they spent more time working on phones by ma++i+ude · · Score: 5, Informative
      (No, I don't work for Nokia. Yes, I'm a Finn.)

      Informative? Well, at least it's not informed. Nokia has been around in one form or another for over a century. Nokia is actually a fusion of three companies and three businesses: wood (since 1865), rubber (1898) and cables (1912). The name "Nokia" is actually a place in Finland. Yes, we all know it sounds Japanese.

      Through the years Nokia has bought other companies and expanded its business into new areas. In fact the company had practically nothing to do with electronics until the late 80's. The company has continued to narrow down its focus, unlike the parent suggested.

      Particularly under Jorma Ollila, Nokia decided to focus on electronics and especially communications and started to sell its other functions away. Most of newly formed companies wanted to be associated with the Nokia brand, so many chose names with suitable connotations. Therefore, you now have Nokian tyres (the 'n' at the end of the word is the genitive case, so the word actually means "Nokia's tyres"), NK cables and Nokian footwear. Pretty much every Finn has a pair of (old 'Nokia' or new 'Nokian') rubber boots. Fine boots them. Used them in the army too.

      Anyway, calling Nokia simply a "cell phone company", or calling for Nokia to become one, is misinformed. Although mobile phones are definitely the most visible area to the consumer, the company provides a much wider range of communication solutions including mobile base stations and networks. In the consumer market they've made a few lemons though; the IP55 ADSL router, a rebranded Webramp, comes to mind, as does the N-Gage. :) But the MediaMaster was/is a fine product.

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  10. Re:Exactly what is exploding? by pctainto · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Most definetely the battery. Lithium Ion batteries are known to explode when they go out of the normal operating specs. ALL LiIon batteries have control circuits which keep the dis/charging within the safe bound (keeping from overcharging/discharging). LiIon batteries are very explosive when they are not in a controlled environment, so it seems that the control circuit simply failed.

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  11. LiON and NiMH batteries... by TheLocustNMI · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...are both very volatile power systems. Being an remote-control electric flight enthusiast, I have heard too many stories about NiMH cells exploding ("it sounded like a shotgun blast!") and LiON batteries burning up cars. They are fine if they aren't damaged or defective -- but a NimH or especially LiON cells that have been damaged can be VERY dangerous.

    Me, I'm waiting for nuclear-powered cellphones! Chernobyl in your pocket!

  12. Think of the odds! by shplorb · · Score: 5, Informative

    Q: How many phones do Nokia sell each year?
    A: Millions

    Q: How many of their phones explode each year?
    A: 1 or 2

    Q: How many cars are sold each year?
    A: Millions

    Q: How many people die on the roads each year?
    A: Thousands

    Conclusion: You have a greater chance of dying in a car crash than having your mobile phone explode.

  13. Re:Sounds like defective batteries by Orne · · Score: 4, Informative

    The bad capacitors were faulty because some manufacturers opted for cheaper electolytics that expanded too much when they heated up... fixed volume, increasing pressure due to temperature, and they pop.

    Nokia claims that they haven't changed materials... my guess is that these phones are getting hotter faster, probably drawing more current to run all the new features they keep adding, and the chemical batteries aren't reacting well.

  14. Re:On Purpose? by tanveer1979 · · Score: 3, Informative
    FUD, true FUD, nothing of this sort happened. The only way in the current batteries to find out wether it is a nokia, is to include extra circuits. I have disassembled enough batteries to know theydont have any such thing inside.

    And before you think that maybe the current characteristics can be used, it is not possible. Current, voltage etc will change with change with temp and also with time.

    Only thing may be that nokia batteries may come with current draw protection and may be more resistant to an inherent defect in the phones
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  15. Terrorism! by Aardpig · · Score: 4, Funny

    Obviously the work of the Teleban...

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  16. actually... by rebelcool · · Score: 3, Informative
    nokia started out as a paper company in 1865*


    *Kerin, Berkowitz, Hartley, Rudelius.
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  17. Sorry! by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The IDF deliveries to Fatah (et al.) got delivered elsewhere by mistake!

    Whoops! Next: Suicide murderers in Helsinki.

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  18. They don't like the term explosion. by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Informative

    According to this article the mobile phone companies prefer "venting with flame".

    Coincidently I was looking at this stuff a couple of days ago. My Nokia 8250 had started turning itself off when in use. I wasn't sure whether it was the battery dying or the phone so I went to borrow a spare battery to test with.

    When I opened the phone I noticed that rather than being flat the battery was bulging out as if it was pregnant. The bulge was enough that it was difficult to get the battery cover back on.

    I now have a whole new phone (another Nokia, a 7250i).

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  19. Was it the charger? by apetime · · Score: 3, Informative
    I remember seeing something about this on a TV show I saw while I was in Japan. The phones they tested all had 1st-party batteries, but the chargers they used were non-standard, like the little cases you can hook up nine-volts with, or quick recharging ones.

    I don't remember the details, but something about heat building up during the charging vaporized something inside, making the case rupture spraying acid all over the place. Apparently, the phone could still explode a few minutes after it had been disconnected.

  20. It's the power amplifier (in)efficiency by dtmos · · Score: 4, Informative

    The heat you feel in a cell phone after talking on it for a time likely is due to the heating of the radio frequency (RF) power amplifier (PA) in the phone's transmitter, not the battery.

    The PA must generate (depending on the type of phone you have--GSM, CDMA, etc.--the range to the cell tower, and other factors) somewhere between 0.2 and 1.0 Watts of RF power output. For lots of good reasons, and despite the best efforts of lots of engineers at lots of places, the conversion efficiency of battery power to RF power of cell phone PAs is around 35%--meaning that approximately two-thirds of the battery power consumed by the PA is converted to heat, instead of RF power, as you talk. Since everyone likes a small, light-weight cell phone, there is no dedicated heat sink (or external fan!) for the phone's PA; instead, most designs usually use the cell phone's frame to conduct the waste heat away from the PA. The frame, of course, conducts the heat to the outside world, which in this case includes your ear.

    In many cases, to avoid the loss of an RF transmission line from the bottom to the top of the phone (which would result in even more inefficiency) the PA is placed next to the antenna, near the top of the phone--thus exacerbating the ear-heating effect. Since the heat generated by the PA has remained more-or-less constant over the years but the mass of the phone has decreased, the temperature the phone reaches in this situation has increased, making it more noticable. Handling this temperature rise is part of cell phone design, and one of the many tradeoffs that occur in them. Keep in mind that, since it is produced by energy stored in the battery that could otherwise be used to extend talk or standby time--two selling factors near and dear to the hearts of cell phone manufacturers--designers would eagerly reduce generated heat if they could do so without violating other design parameters, like product cost.

    The type of heating you're experiencing sounds completely normal and safe to me. I would expect that heating of the battery itself would be unrelated to whether you talked on the phone or not. Rather, it would occur either (a) during charging with a defective or improperly designed charger, or (b) randomly, as a cell shorts out and its stored energy heats itself (and its neighbors) up, and the built-in protection circuitry either fails or (in off-brand batteries) is nonexistent. You can protect yourself against both of these possibilities (to below the lightning-strike and meteorite-collision probability levels) by simply buying and using name-brand batteries and chargers.