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PHBs Getting "Secret" IT Training

An anonymous reader writes "As if all of us aren't already already aware of this, PHBs don't know jack squat about computer technology, and they won't seek any training from their own IT staff because that would be an admission of "weakness" so instead they are getting outsiders to train them in secret." Lucrative work for the secret tutors I s'pose. I guess getting tutored in secret is better than just floundering in ignorance.

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  1. That's nothing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    I know of a systems admin doing the same! - posted anonymously to protect the guilty.

  2. As if by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Floundering in ignorance isn't something that happens at /. every day.

  3. The problem is.... by insertionPoint · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I have seen the people that they hire when not in secret. Seriously, I had a guy in two weeks back to train me on my new I-series server. I helped him set it up then showed him how to connect to the internet, then I skipped the training in disgust.

  4. This is prime PHB material, but... by stefanb · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Really? I'm not the only one who doesn't know what the two mouse buttons are for?"
    There is a reason Apple's sticking to mice with one button. And this is not ment in any condescending way.

    1. Re:This is prime PHB material, but... by stonecypher · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, maybe if the tutorials out there spent less time being condescending and more time actively presenting the real paradigms instead of flimsy confusing stuff, it wouldn't be a problem.

      "What's the right mouse button for?"

      wrong: "it's a context-sensitive menu enabling access to control commands"

      wrong: "it's like a scrapbook in which your least used situational commands are gathered and presented for your use"

      right: "it's where your less common controls go. there're even rarer ones in the big menus. it works on pretty much everything. just try it out a lot; as long as you don't pick any menu items, nothing's gonna change, and you won't hurt anything."

      1) Give them a simple straightforward explanation of what it does without jargon or metaphor

      2) Encourage them to familiarize themselves with the control, being careful to note when such experimentation is inappropriate, even when it's never inappropriate

      Not so hard. Out of curiosity, I sat through a biug chunk of the tutorial shipped with my new commodity PC; there were some things I didn't understand, and I wrote software for a living.

      Perhaps hire fewer multimedia visionaries and more teachers next time you guys write intros. :D

      --
      StoneCypher is Full of BS
    2. Re:This is prime PHB material, but... by stefanb · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Ugh, seems I've hit a button here :-)

      Don't get me wrong, the first thing I do when getting a new Mac is to get a mouse with a scroll wheel for it, and that usually involves a right-hand button as well.

      The important bit for be is that I can see the difference in almost all Mac apps, I get the most "useful" commands, as opposed to Windows apps where more often than not I get commands on the context menu that are not available anywhere else.

      For a long time, on Macs, you had all kinds of "accelerators", but they were only that: you did not need to memorize obtuse key combinations (different for each app, of course), but you could run most of them with just the mouse (except for text entry). This is completely opposite to my experience with Windows software, where many times, you can activate a function or feature only through a context menu or some key stroke combination.

      Otherwise, I completly agree: making often used functions more readily accessible for the power user is a good thing, and you can use the right.hand-button on your mouse just like that in Mac OS X.

      Oh, and one last thing: "experimentation unless it's 'inappropriate'." Although there's quite a few occasions where there's no undo, Apple's Human Interface Guidelines require (or at least strongly suggest) undo features at all possible levels, so as long it's undoable, it should be OK.

  5. Igorance is better. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful
    I guess getting tutored in secret is better than just floundering in ignorance.

    No. Floundering in ignorance is much less destructive than "a little knowledge". A completely ignorant PHB says "make me a system that counts sheep". A PHB with a little knowledge says "make me a system that counts sheep, and it should use an ACID-compliant database and J2EE, and I think XP will be the way to go..."

  6. Obligatory Dilbert quote.. by TheFairElf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Dilbert: "You have to hold the notebook upside down and shake it to reboot, remember?"
    PHB: "Oh right, thanks"

    1. Re:Obligatory Dilbert quote.. by NanoGator · · Score: 4, Funny
      "Dilbert: "You have to hold the notebook upside down and shake it to reboot, remember?"
      PHB: "Oh right, thanks"


      And the obligatory FedEx follup:


      Woman: Hi, Tom, I know its your first day, but we could really use your help.

      Tom: (with slightly smug smile, pulling on suit jacket) You got it.

      Woman: (walking) We're just in a bit of a jam.

      Tom: (squirts breath spray)

      Woman: (continues, gesturing to roomful of FedEx boxes) All this has to get out today...

      Tom: (look of astonishment, smug smile returning) Yeah...uh...I dont do shipping...

      Woman: Oh, no no no, its very easy. We use FedEx.com (sitting him down at a computer open to the FedEx.com website). Anybody can do it.

      Tom: (smug smile wider, he cant believe shes asking him to do this) Uh... no... you dont understand: I have an MBA.

      Woman: Oh, you have an MBA...

      Tom: Yeah.

      Woman: In that case Ill have to show you how to do it.



      --
      "Derp de derp."
  7. I am SO pleased to know that ... by burgburgburg · · Score: 3, Funny
    the top executives who control the direction of our corporate overlords are acquiring the same level of knowledge of a high school dropout intern whose main responsibility is sorting the mail (but can't really be trusted to deliver it).

    I feel safer now.

    1. Re:I am SO pleased to know that ... by IM6100 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Actually, what would be scary is if introverted computer nerds were handing the most important stuff in the corporate world.

      Remember, we already tried the dot.bomb adventure.

      Now, go change the toner cartridge on the laserjet on second floor like a good, geek, kay?

      --
      A Good Intro to NetBS
  8. no suprise by Jonathunder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "YOU'D BE SURPRISED by what they don't know" says the trainer.

    No one who has ever worked help desk would be.

  9. I hate this kind of article by ManoMarks · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Based primarily on the experience of one tutor, they imply that there is this vast underground of executives secretly trying to figure out their e-mail. Facts, people, I want facts! Show me more than one over-priced tutor, or even 10. Anonymous surveys, large industries, etc. That would be real news. Not some journalist interviewing someone they met at a party and calling it news. ++

    --

    That's gotta fit into your schema somewhere

  10. Trained PHB's != Good by greygent · · Score: 4, Funny

    I guess getting tutored in secret is better than just floundering in ignorance.

    I take it you haven't had the "pleasure" of your PHB embarrassing you by yelling "I know it's your T1 because our network guy teleported into the Baywatch hub and checked it!" at a Qwest network admin during a heated conference call.

    For the PHB's here: It's 'telnet' and 'Bay Networks'.

  11. Uh, are you sure that's the reason? by Tom7 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Perhaps another reason "PHBs" might be heading to other sources than the IT staff is because the IT staff treats them with such contempt?

  12. MOD PARENT AS HIGH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE by mrscott · · Score: 4, Insightful

    God yes - you hit the nail on the head. When reading some of the posts on Slashdot, I wonder how some of these people can hold a job given their holier-than-thou genius-of-all-tech attitudes.

    Get over yourselves. An informed boss can make better decisions and work easier. And, if you can help them in a way that doesn't involve humiliating them, maybe it will come back and reward you.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT AS HIGH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE by metlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mark this as troll, if you will, but what you're saying is crap.

      Yeah, I have no social skills. I'm what you would call a dork or a nerd. But thats ok, because am not here to be please everybody.

      As far as the holier than thou attitude, yeah, so what? I'm choosy about the people I like and if I'm condescending its because a lot of people who're above me are there not because they're better than me but because they have the "Oh so called Social Skills."

      I don't see the point -- as long as I do my job and get my stuff done, whats the point and the problem?

      All that most "informed bosses" can do is kiss everyone's ass and pretend to know everything. And serve everything as sugar coated lies to the clients and investors.

      I would much rather not pretend to empathize with such people.

      And it is just this reason that I would prefer to be in an academic or research environment. Atleast its mostly free of this hypocritic attitude.

    2. Re:MOD PARENT AS HIGH AS HUMANLY POSSIBLE by gujo-odori · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You seem to be rather young and without a great deal of work experience, but with a great deal of (maybe justified) ego.

      I was like you once. Then, I happened to marry a wonderful woman, a successful entrepreneur who had saved her money until she could start her own business, then struck out on her own. She was quite succesful, and not just because of the high quality of her products, which she designed herself and made in-house. She was that successful because she has great people skills and could teach those skills to her sales staff. There are other businesses whose product is as good as hers, but not so many who are as good at making customers *want* to buy from them over the others.

      One day, fully cognizant of my BOFHier than thou approach, she bought me a copy of How To Win Friends and Influence people. It made all the difference.

      For a number of years, I worked at a corporate-oriented ISP. Not all of our new sales people had experience in the ISP and networking fields. We hired good sales people, even if they'd never worked in our business before. It fell to the engineering dept. to help them learn what they needed to know. As I developed better people skills, I became *the* person in engineering that they would go to with questions, and they learned. Far more than to my boss, who was a brilliant engineer and sysadmin, but whose overly technical explanations often left non-tech people with more questions and no more comprehension than they had at the start.

      Our best salesman was a guy who walked in the door knowing nothing about the computer business. He'd been in advertising sales before, and was good at it. He didn't stay ignorant. After a few months of talking mostly to me, he was not only the top-producing salesman, he knew more about networking than any of the others. He didn't know how data is encapsulated on a T-1 and I didn't try to tell him, but he sure knew what he needed to know to sell one, and he knew who to go to if he didn't have the answer.

      Your career will go much more smoothly if you develop the people skills to go with your technical skills.

      BTW, if you think academic and research environments aren't filled with at least as much politicking and ass-kissing as any corporate environment, You need to put down that crack pipe and get clean . Sorry, sometimes my old attitude comes back. Academic/research environments are just as bad, and often worse than, the corporate world when it comes to those things.

  13. BOFH by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Funny

    Am I the only one who sees Simon's fine hand in this matter?

    BOFH fodder, indeed....

  14. Secret is stupid by Technically+Inept · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Shame at your own ignorance is the very thing that keeps illiterate people from getting help reading and guys from asking for directions. A smart company makes the education process completely transparent, which results in a greater willingness to attempt self-improvement.

    Consider GE, which instituted an internet mentoring program (Word doc) for its top executives, including former CEO Jack Welch.

    What GE did need, however, was a system to train its top management in the wonders of the Internet. It didn't do much good to preach the values of e-business if the people making the big decisions in the corporation didn't know how to use the tool.

    To alter the situation, GE started a mentoring program for nearly 1,000 senior executives. Younger members of the GE staff, proficient in the ways of the new electronic world, were assigned to teach a senior executive how to use the Internet.

    You don't need a computer expert to teach computer basics, and the upside is that the lower level employees get executive mentorship, and the executive employees learn these tools while keeping connected to employees down the ladder. This, to me, is a much more sensible approach than seclusion, shame, and secrecy.
    --
    Now watch me hit this drive.
  15. slashdotters are equally clueless by puzzled · · Score: 3, Flamebait



    I find it funny that a group that collectively has trouble with personal hygiene, getting a date, ever getting a second date, finding something to talk about besides computers, etc is down on high level executives.

    So they don't know computer applications. They know finance, marketing, operations, negotiating, and a host of other things that mostly don't have anything to do with computers, but do have a lot to do with ongoing success.

    One of the happiest, best paying environments I ever worked in had me reporting to a division controller responsible for operations accounting related to stores doing $200M in sales annually. She was almost helpless on all sorts of things computer related, but she could sign purchase orders faster than I could type and when HQ IS weenies got under foot her head would spin around, she'd spit nails, etc, etc, and they'd go back to guarding their silly little mainframe, while our mighty intranet continued to win the hearts & minds of the people in the field.

    Instead of poking fun at them, maybe you should study them - they *are* the ones with the money/power/cars with power windows that work - you might just learn something.

    --
    I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid. -Theo
  16. It's called "coaching"... by swb · · Score: 3, Informative

    ...and is more common than you think in management.

    My boss told me that when he took his first CIO job (moving from an operations management job) that not only did his boss encourage and pay for an IT "coach" to give him a crash course in IT, he said it was pretty common for execs to use "coaches" for all kinds of things, including a fair amount of touchy-feely management subjects.

  17. Re:Apple mice by ceejayoz · · Score: 4, Funny

    Of course they could give two buttons and just default to having them do the same thing via software

    <PHB> Which one do I press?
    <SecretTutor> It doesn't matter.
    <PHB> What do you mean it doesn't matter?! There are two buttons! Why are there two buttons if it doesn't matter?!
    * PHB throws mouse out the window
    *** SecretTutor was kicked by PHB (fired)

  18. Yet another software cowboy by TRACK-YOUR-POSITION · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Yeah, I have no social skills. I'm what you would call a dork or a nerd. But thats ok, because am not here to be please everybody.

    That would have worked a few years ago, when computers were still a bold new frontier. Think about the Old West--at first rugged individualist cowboys and adventurers are rewarded, because the place was so empty that ability to deal with nature was more important than ability to deal with your neighbor. In fact, people probably went out west because they couldn't stand their neighbors back east.

    Think about how much of America was built by people who couldn't stand their old neighbors. Even the native americans must have really hated China at some point.

    Then, as things began to get crowded, the same sort of business men and politicians from back east began to rise above everyone else, and the cowboy lifestyle began to decline.

    It's the same with computers--first it was dominated by nerds like you (and possibly me...) who were really good with machines. But as there got to be more and more of us, and as the machines got more and more reliable, then yet another frontier starts to close, and making people happy once again becomes more important than making machines go.

    Now, the mature thing for folk like us to do is to either find a new frontier, or accept the world as it is, and try to improve our social skills as best we can.

    Yet before I do that, I'd like to take a moment to shed a tear for the death of yet another frontier, yet another chance to make the American dream a reality. The American Dream, by the way, is that one can improve one's own lot in life simply by doing a better job, through physical or intellectual effort, rather than by kissing the asses of whatever feudal lord happens to be dominating our lives at the moment. That individual worth could somehow beat out nepotism and favortism. A sweet, yet elusive dream

    And before I allow Stockholm syndrome to completely overwhelm me, I lament how much of humanities effort is wasted in the collective solipsism advocated by so many people who reply to you--the opinion that physical reality outside humanity is of less importance than social reality within humanity. A society which believes that itself is the most important thing in the universe will experieince very limited growth.