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A Novell Linux Specialist?

richardeholder asks: "Our Novell partners differentiate themselves in the marketplace by promoting their areas of expertise or specializations; this allows their customers to know what their skill sets are and what they can reasonably expect these partners to provide for them. As we embrace Linux, we would like to extend the title of 'Linux specialist' to partners who merit it. Before we move forward on this initiative, we would like to ask the Linux community for guidance on what should constitute a Linux specialist. Should we require certifications such as LPI and the RHCE/RHCT, or are there other more valuable ways of demonstrating Linux competency?"

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  1. Requirements for a linux specialist: by SeanTobin · · Score: 5, Funny

    An individual or company can be considered a linux specialist if they demonstrate the ability to:

    -Properly secure a firewall
    -Compile and install a kernel
    -Configure the third button on thier mouse
    -Print to a Panasonic KXP-8410 printer in color
    -Make coffee that is restricted under OSHA guidelines
    -Recognize a minimum 8 of 10 random network cards by thier chipset number only
    -Understand the usefullness of the SysRq button
    -Install linux on any appliance that does not come with a keyboard or mouse
    -Setup a cron job to order pizza online
    -Pay a license fee to SCO
    -Assemble a beowolf cluster which includes more than one type of gaming console
    -Install a really cool kde/gnome/enlightenment theme
    -Run desktops at no less than 1600x1200 resolution, native
    -Name all boxen after sci-fi characters/objects
    -Any cats owned must be named after cabling specifications
    -Adequate space must be reserved in all hardware racks for pizza boxes
    -Every system must glow at night. Server rooms should be scary

    That should just about cover it. Congratulations! You may now call yourself a linux specialist!

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    1. Re:Requirements for a linux specialist: by swillden · · Score: 4, Funny

      I don't qualify. I don't use desktops at all.

      Where do you put your coffee?

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    2. Re:Requirements for a linux specialist: by Judg3 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Any cats owned must be named after cabling specifications

      As geeky as it sounds, I did this. My wife didn't mind "Cat 5", but she really hates the other one I named "Cat 5e".

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    3. Re:Requirements for a linux specialist: by rusty0101 · · Score: 3, Funny

      in his mouth. of course.

      -rusty

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    4. Re:Requirements for a linux specialist: by DShard · · Score: 3, Funny

      I like my coffee like I like my gravitational phenomena, strong and black.

    5. Re:Requirements for a linux specialist: by mnmn · · Score: 4, Insightful
      -Properly secure a firewall
      This should really include configuring and using snort as the IDS part, full control over the iptables command and NOT using squid.

      -Compile and install a kernel
      And change the default screen color, use rdev and use ksymoops to locate the source of a crash and report it properly using the right bugreport email format to the exactly right group of people after having searched mailinglist archives and newsgroups for the same problem. Should also know enough C and about makefiles to correct function typos, comment out assert blocks and point the makefiles to the right libraries and include directories. Remember we're talking about a linux SPECIALIST, not a kiddie compiler.

      -Configure the third button on thier mouse
      No thats too tough

      -Print to a Panasonic KXP-8410 printer in color
      Too many Linux experts know little about printers. Many printers dont have drivers but can shared to smb/active directory users who do have the drivers. I strongly agree with this point.

      -Make coffee that is restricted under OSHA guidelines
      Or Quetta Tea. Doodh Pati. Not all geeks are scrawny white suburban californians.

      -Recognize a minimum 8 of 10 random network cards by thier chipset number only
      I would agree with this one, but you can have software-only experts too. I can tell ethernet, tokenring, fddi, atm, arcnet and isdn cards by their chipset, whether they will run under Linux/FreeBSD or Solaris, but I know guys who dont change their RAM but develop sophisticated KDE apps. There are niches...

      -Understand the usefullness of the SysRq button
      This can be learned in a day, so a specialist MUST know it.

      -Install linux on any appliance that does not come with a keyboard or mouse
      I am tempted to say he should be able to do the same with Solaris. Should also be able to install Plan9, Windows 2000 Advanced Server, Unixware, AIX and QNX on vmware images. (bochs would do)

      -Setup a cron job to order pizza online
      Too easy

      -Pay a license fee to SCO
      Uhh yeah. I'll hire such a person.

      -Assemble a beowolf cluster which includes more than one type of gaming console
      I'll bring a serious point here. This is not a practical skill. Just test for RHCE and that covers the really required sysadmin skills. Someone who is obsessed with gamebox clusters will not be interested in 99.9999 uptime. He will be playing unreal on the servers at night.

      -Install a really cool kde/gnome/enlightenment theme
      And get used to twm and CDE. Learn to enjoy the command line.

      -Run desktops at no less than 1600x1200 resolution, native
      Why? Use a real DEC VT520 dumb terminal.

      -Name all boxen after sci-fi characters/objects
      Come on geeks are more diverse than that. I havent seen star wars.

      -Any cats owned must be named after cabling specifications

      Or kernel header files, or commands.

      -Adequate space must be reserved in all hardware racks for pizza boxes

      One PC-XT case should be home to a hamster.

      -Every system must glow at night. Server rooms should be scary

      I second that. Modders for beautification are generally not all that interested in the software and are gamers.

      Here are some others:
      1. Take a 10GB ext3 or XFS or reiserfs partition full of data, and dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/partition block=512 count=4096, do the same for the END of the partition, and dd if=/dev/partition of=/tmp/file and give the file to him to recover as much data as possible.
      2. Give him a Linux server and a Pentium1 with no harddisk but a bootable nic, and tell him to remote-boot windows95. Hire him for at least $80k if he can do that.
      3. Act like a project manager and ask him to put all his work in project form on MS Project 2000, and submit weekly reports. Cause deliber
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    6. Re:Requirements for a linux specialist: by EnderWiggnz · · Score: 3, Funny

      i like my coffee like i like my women:

      tied to the back of a donkey and brought to me by a man named Juan.

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  2. Wow, high ranking Novell official honors Slashdot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    It makes me want to re-embrace Novell just knowing that they are doing things *right* (like talking to the community on Slashdot).

    I think I left off at 3.12. Hey did anyone ever keep a copy of that NCSnipes game?

  3. Since you mentioned Novell.... by psykocrime · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go for the Novell Certified Linux Engineer certification.

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    1. Re:Since you mentioned Novell.... by meme_police · · Score: 5, Informative

      The CLE is for Novell's products that run on Linux, not for Linux itself. And the question was what criteria should Novell use to signify their partners as "Linux specialists". That criteria could include certifications, or it may not.

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  4. That's easy... by zulux · · Score: 5, Funny


    Ask them to spell Microsoft.

    If they use a dollar symbol somwhere in the spelling - then the're a Linux expert.

    If they spell it Micro-Soft - then ther're really old school DOS expert.

    If they spell it MICROS~1 -then there a Windows expert.

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  5. certification requirements? by sl0ppy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there's the obvious one -- how many anti-microsoft comments you can get onto slashdot during one day.

    but, all kidding aside, what's the scope of the specialty?

    o firewalls
    o security
    o script writing

    or are we talking end-user support?

    o kde
    o gnome
    o X configuration

    there would also be the need for familiarization with common opensource apps, such as openoffice, gnumeric, kword, etc.

    what exactly are we talking about?

    1. Re:certification requirements? by rossz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yah, the term "linux specialist" is just too damn broad. The field needs to be broken down into many different fields - some overlapping, e.g. system admin, security expert, app development, kernel hacker, etc. Personally, I'm a pretty good linux admin, do rather well with scripting, perl, php, mysql, and so on, but I struggle with c/c++ coding (I can do it, but I'm not an expert). I compile my own kernels, but would be dangerous to let lose actually making kernel code changes. So what do they actually want?

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  6. this man is not one of us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Our Novell partners differentiate themselves in the marketplace by promoting their areas of expertise or specializations; this allows their customers to know what their skill sets are and what they can reasonably expect these partners to provide for them. As we embrace Linux, we would like to extend the title of 'Linux specialist' to partners who merit it. Before we move forward on this initiative, we would like to ask the Linux community for guidance on what should constitute a Linux specialist. Should we require certifications such as LPI and the RHCE/RHCT, or are there other more valuable ways of demonstrating Linux competency?

    These words are the words of a suit! But that's all right, all are welcome on slashdot. Well except the RIAA and microsoft, but that's besides the point.

    Basically, you need to come up with your own certification. All certifications are pretty meaningless to the non-suits, but I think your partners would have a better understanding of "skill sets" if you defined your own set of Novell Linux Specialist credentials, and then either came up with your own tests and so forth or use these credentials to certify other certifications.

  7. My list for interviews: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Fat? Check.
    GNU/Linux? Check.
    Steals music online? Check.
    Smells? Check.
    Patents are evil? Check.
    Fat? Check.
    Lack of social skills? Check.
    Smells? Check.

    Congratulations, you are a Linux expert.

  8. Certification is important but.. by morelife · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Only one small part of it.

    In the business climate, you should only be considered a "Linux specialist" if you have designed, deployed, maintained, or extended production Linux platforms in real life.

    Additionally, there should be some track record, say over two years, of professional or technical services delivery either in Linux or another Operating Platform, UNIX, not Windows or Novell.

    Finally and most importantly, should be able to provide at least two business references resulting from completed or ongoing projects.

    All this would be Real [TM] as opposed to say, the Microsoft "Partner" thing where you need 2 MCPs on staff, a fee, and, uh, that's all.

    To my mind, the successful business reference is the best certification anyone can have.

  9. What do you mean? by MisanthropicProggram · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The article isn't very specific - to me anyway. The article is vendor specific and if you want an OSS job you need to know generic issues:

    Network security - ALL protocols (esp. TCP/IP)

    Network Architecture

    Platform Integration - including (yuk!) Windows

    I don't want to be a TROLL, but it's working out that way. I need people who can put together a NETWORK - NOT be a vendor specific cooky cutter LAN. The more you know about everything (networking) the more it helps to justify hiring you.

    I know, it's a CATCH 22 deal these days -(I used to be a coder - and I got sick of it.) There's a lot of us ex-techies who are now PHBs because we couldn't take ( or didn't want to deal with) the current climate in the IT industry and we know TRUE skills when we see them.

    I don't even know if this is even on topic based on the article...

    WTF?
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  10. Yes there is a important thing. by Yaa+101 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Do this ten times and then ask yourself the same question...

    http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/

    If you really did this all by hand and got a nice working bare system you really know what drives a GNU/Linux machine.

  11. Make your own or not? by Stinking+Pig · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Evaluate the existing certification programs: LPI and RHCE, any others out there. Look at their methodologies and tests, interview certified engineers, see what you think.

    If in your opinion they're certifying wankers instead of quality engineers, you'll need to do your own certification program. The CNE was a pretty decent program IIRC.

    IMHO you'll find that LPI and RHCE are pretty good programs and are probably good enough to run with or to build your own program around.

    On a side note, I certainly hope Novell can make a comeback.

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  12. Real linux specialisation by too_bad · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Its sad that novell dumped their Unix division just when I joined them, and then
    they are embracing Linux few years after I dumped them :)

    That apart, I think if Novell is really serious about Linux and Linux specialists, please
    do not follow RHCE or any other certification. You should identify what aspects
    of linux concerns you most. Then identify the contributions made by the concerned
    parties to this field. Also, IMHO, it is much more sensible to identify specialists with
    their contributions to the open source community. Redhat certification is very
    commercialised, and is for people entering Linux to prove their worth to the world.
    What you are looking at is to identify real specialists, many of who may not even bother
    to prove themselves to anybody, and their works speak for them.

    Identify broad areas such as:
    Linux Kernel (Accomplished in kernel development)
    Linux Device (Someone who is a wizard in getting any device working on Linux)
    Linux Installation (Someone who can troubleshoot all kinds of installation problems,
    who knows, redhat, debian, gentoo and what not on the back of their palm)
    Linux Application (Someone who specialises in applications, KDE/Gnome, etc.)
    Linux Ultimate (Accomplished in all the areas)

    Now come up with different titles such as Specialist, Master, Guru etc. These titles identify the
    extent of their skills. A Linux Kernel Guru might indicate kernel developer whereas Linux Kernel Specialist
    might refer to someone who is good at managing patches, troubleshooting the kernel, installing modules etc.

    Of course, people who have not contributed to open source should be able to prove themself by either
    working with Novell on some projects, or by taking some certification exams. I think it is necessary to differentiate the two categories.

    Infact if Novell starts a centralised Linux forum to attract newbies and experts to discuss (like linuxquestions.org) it will be easy to identify the gurus by their contributions and newbie testimonials.

    Hope this helps.

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  13. forget certifications for now, use real people by kaan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I don't know a single technical person who is a) reasonably good at what he does, while b) being certified as such. Said another way, all of the people I know who have a clue about any specific technology are almost certainly not the people who hold any formal certifications in that area. By and large, I don't see much evidence that the technical community in general thinks too highly of certifications. Sure, some certifications can be difficult to achieve, and can be crafted in such a way as to filter out everyone but the experts. But creating such a test would be difficult to do, and it would take a lot of time to evolve (especially something so diverse and varied as 'Linux'). And even once you get there, you still have the problem that the technical folks don't value the certification anyway.

    From what I hear in the questions posed in the original post, it sounds like there is a group of non-technical people who are searching for a way to bless some small subset of the technical crowd. I think it would be far wiser to hire some technical people to do this job for you. If you're still committed to building a certification process, get your technical people to do it for you. Posting on /. is a good step towards getting useful feedback, but I think the right step would be to source a few tech heads (full-time, contract, whatever) and task them with the problem.

  14. Two cents on certifications by digitalhermit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Very interesting question. Five years ago I would have said that certifications were about as useful a predictor of knowledge as swirling tea leaves in a cup. I've seen some really good MCSEs with a thorough knowledge of networking and their specialties and just as many who can't properly subnet a network. Five years ago, anyone who was seriously into Linux was *usually* a competent sysadmin in their own right and didn't need a piece of paper to prove it.

    I think this has changed. There are a lot more people getting into Linux for the money than there has ever been before. This has upsides and downsides. Upside -- Linux is growing. Downside, it's no longer an arcane science. I can live with the downside though.

    Alas, we peddle our skills to non-technical types who don't understand that a cram session and the ability to prepare for a test does not predict the knowledge of a consultant or future employee. They, for good or bad, use keyword filters or head hunter resume databases to choose candidates. Those who have magical letters on their resume get noticed. The rest, regardless of knowledge, get filtered out before ever being seen by a human.

    So are Linux certifications a good thing? Maybe. If done right and don't end up as a certification mill as happened with the MCSE, then sure. They can help show a certain level of competency and could ensure that the certificate holder has the broad level of knowledge required to pass the test. In the next five years I'd expect that more executives will start asking for some certification anyway.

    This will only work if the certification process in itself does not become an industry. The cost of taking the test should be low (under $150) but it must be difficult. Ideally it would include a practical, hands-on section instead of a bunch of multiple choice questions. The course work should be openly available and reflect not only real-world knowledge but some theoretical and philosophical aspects of using Linux.

    1. Re:Two cents on certifications by tyler_larson · · Score: 4, Insightful
      It's been my unfortunate experience that those whose titles contain the word "Certified" tend to lag far behind the rest of us in the industry. In school, the hackers studied Computer Science or Electrical Engineering and learned how to make computers work. The dropouts from these majors who just couldn't hack it (those who wanted the jobs but didn't have that special gift that lets you think like a computer) switched instead to "Information Systems" in the business school.

      Instead of learning how to make a computer work, there they learned how to work a computer. I.e., they learned how to use the programs that we learned how to create. Their programming coursework was graded on effort rather than effectiveness. The program they wrote didn't have to work (or even compile), it just had to look right. And yet, interestingly enough, part of this particular university's I.S. program was to complete the MSCE coursework and obtain certification.

      Now that's scary.

      You may be thinking that this is nothing special--network administrators don't need to know how to write programs, right? Well, immagine hiring an MSCE who can't even write a working batch file--but who can at least recognize one 80% of the time! This gets even more complicated in the *NIX world, where customization means script writing. Certification requires you to have more or less the same understanding of computers as someone like me has of quantum physics: memorized well enough to pass the test, but not necessarily understood enough to remember it next week.

      Those of us with real computer skills never bothered to take those certification tests because they cost money and meant nothing (after all, the CS and EE dropouts are all certified). Do I really want to be placed in the same catagory as THEM? Those of us real admins who are actually certified only did it so they could pass the resume word search.

      And yet, it's useful to know who understands system administration and who doesn't. Certification was a stab at making such a devision. It's relied on heavily by HR departments everywhere, despite the fact that it means so little in practical terms, because the HR department doesn't know any better.

      But the truth is, IT certification is a flawed system at its very core. Certification is based on book work and tests--neither of which you'll find in the real world. It doesn't have to be that way, and here's why:

      IT Certification should work like Pilot Licensing

      In order to fly an airplane, you need to know the books, but you also need to know how to fly--that means extensive practical knowledge that can be demonstrated to an examiner in an actual airplane thousands of feet above the earth. You can't cram for that test.

      In the same way, certified Linux experts should be able to demonstrate practical skills, not just pass tests. For example, a Linux system administrator should be able to write (in just a few minutes) a simple script to parse 300 log files looking for a specific pattern. He should also be able to modify the boot scripts such that a custom executable runs after (and only if) the network is brought online, but before any remote login programs start. They should be able to customize a firewall, build and install a kernel module, examine a syslog file, and maybe even configure xdm. And the stuff that he demonstrates has to *actually work*, not just look right.

      I dare say that any of the existing certification courses will have a well-thought-out curriculum, and probably cover all the necessary aspects of system administration. However, knowing the location and purpose of the rc.sysinit script doesn't mean that you know how to customize it to do your bidding. Certified engineers may know "what", "where", and even "why". But only experience and practice teaches you "how". And knowing how is a mandatory component of being useful.

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  15. Re:More then linux by AceM2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    While that's great and such.. What on earth does that have to do with their ability to properly run a server? We're not talking about giving someone a college degree here.. Random knowledge really just says to me that the person got bored and looked it up.. I mean I'm good at a lot of things I don't know the history of. It's not that I don't care about history, it's just that since when do you have to be fanatical about something to get a job? I'm glad all of my job interviews left out the trivia questions, or else I'd never have gotten any of the jobs I had fun and did very well at..

  16. Simple by denks · · Score: 4, Funny

    Check on their resume if they put "GNU/Linux" instead of Linux.

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